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The Fly Guy with Kids: Reasons Why You Should and Shouldn’t Run

Monday Jan 4, 2010 – by

77931703Brooklyn summer was here. It’s Saturday night and everyone is headed to “First Saturdays” at the Brooklyn Museum. With HOT 97 blasting in my dressing room, I retouched my makeup just before my girl Erica texted me that she’s making her way from Bedstuy to scoop me in Clinton Hill. My Barbara Hulanicki for Topshop jacket with ruffled exaggerated shoulders coupled matchlessly with my bowler cut. I went simplistic for pairing, a red vintage tee, cropped leggings and black suede Louboutins. After Erica texted me that she was in front of my building, I grabbed my clutch and took careful steps down the stairs. I was triumphant. It wasn’t only because I felt amazing, it was an added reason that after two years in the Big Apple, I finally attracted a nucleus of brilliant and supportive Brooklyn sistas whose dedicated smiles and waves greeted me as I sashayed to Erica’s Mercedes. Watchful not to bust my behind on the borough’s concrete cracks, I quicken my step before I heard the familiar “hurry up na, we gotta find parking!”

As we cruised Fulton, we bumped a hybrid of Chrisette Michele’s “Epiphany” and Beyonce’s new “Ego” remix featuring Kanye West. We declared our collective intentions to have a drama-free good time. And yes as single girls our apparent and undisclosed supplementary objective was a needless to say hope to meet a BK cutie. You know, that kind of Black man of who might work on Wall street but he’s sincerest credibility comes from the street. The kind of Bedstuy-bred man who rocks a sports jacket refined by his tailor for gym-clad shoulders juxtaposed by a seemingly never-worn pair of construction Timberlands. Do not mistake, this group of Ivy educated, dual-degreed 20-somethings have experienced our share of crushed hearts. On the evening of the first summer in the illest city in the Western Hemisphere, our must-have list for qualifying men was in powering on mode.

After a mere five minutes inside I ran into my girls Nicole and Tiffany. We chopped it up, talking life and career when it happened. I met a Brooklyn man. While in conversation on the opposite end of the room, he was in conversation with Erica and he insisted she introduce us. We were acquainted and we instinctively challenged each other. Frequencies and his notable swag were through the roof. He asked for my number. I smiled and exchanged a hard-win no. At the after party, I achieved an overwhelming flock of butterflies secretly watching him walk through the door. When the DJ flipped it to Total’s “Can’t You See,” we lost ourselves.

It was a lovely departure, but I had thesis revisions to wrap up. I spent the next few evenings in the Bobst library making edits and drafting cutesy text replies to him. The next day, me personally delivering a six-chapter thesis to each of my committee-members completely sacked our plans to lunch on campus. On this rainy Wednesday afternoon, his unswerving ambition to see me again was pleased with the measly 30 minutes I could spare. We sat in a SoHo Starbucks picking up where that last text left off. I was giddy and unquestionably feeling him.

Out of nowhere, something kicked in me to ask the question I was certain he would say no to. “Do you have children?” I nearly choked on my extra caramel macchiato when this Brooklyn man responded with, “Yes, I have three.”

I froze. Feelings of deceit and confusion shot through my body like a double espresso. My face panned to the window calculating how I could pull off the Angela Basset in What’s Love Got to Do With It traffic run in the middle of a slippery Broadway in over sized rain boots. Hell, I wouldn’t have cared if my hair got wet. I gathered myself and calmly asked, “Really? When were you going to share this with me?” This Brooklyn man’s response is the reason among a plethora that propelled this story. “Well, I wanted to get to know you first. I don’t just share personal information with every woman I meet.” I checked the time on my iPhone and convincingly versed, “I’m going to be late for work.” He wanted to walk me to my office. I allowed him to walk me to the door. We didn’t speak for the rest of the summer.

It was a heated night as I commenced a 5-way conference call with Sorors and BFFs from all corners of the nation. I blasted, “Who does he think he is trying play me! I mean, when was the topic of his first, second and third child going to come up?” Raven joked, “Girl, yes! He clearly tried to run the okie dokie on you. You need to tell that fool you sucka free!” Jasmene joined in, “Oh hell naw! It’s a recession and he got three kids. He can’t afford to take you out!” We cried laughing and dished over a dozen cracks at the Brooklyn man when Temple said, “I understand how you’re feeling but let’s look at this critically. At our age, can we really afford to discount all men with children?” We stubbornly listened as Temple went on. “Ladies, the numbers are just not in our favor. Face it, it’s likely that the man you will marry will have one or multiple children.” There was an uninterrupted silence on the call. After an elongated pause, I broke the stillness with a series of buts. “Well, this all may be quantitatively true, but when I’m ready to have children, I want it to be a new experience for both he and I.” I found myself breathing hard and getting increasingly emotional stuttering, “what, what if I really like a guy, but I’m not ready to play the stepmother? Stepmom?! UGH! That don’t even sound attractive!”

Six months past. The summer was a memory. On the night of The Brooklyn Circus Holiday party, let me tell you why I admittedly formed a search party to find his number only to resort to messaging him on Facebook. I typed a succinct “call me.” You know what? I can’t explain why I did it. Maybe it’s that I don’t want to admit it to myself. All that I know is when the “fave” in my life and the perfectly imperfect “potential” both failed to keep promises to take me out that weekend, I found myself thinking of the fly guy who once made me smile on a Brooklyn summer night. Listen, I’m not telling you that I’m ready to date a man with 3 children, but I surely won’t be deleting his number again.

Here’s a few tips for you Clutchettes and Gents that will save you from choking on a Starbucks coffee or wondering why she dissed you:

1. Fellas, you must be up front with the woman you seek. Being a father is apart of your immediate identity. Having children is nothing to be ashamed about. Spare yourselves later embarrassment and disclosed this part of yourselves in initial conversations. That is, before you ask for her number or in your first one-on-one conversation.

2. Ladies, we all have our deal-breakers. If dating a man with children is out of the question, be a straight shooter and ask him if he has children in initial conversations. Be respectful and open about your reservations.

3. Fellas, be careful about the women you bring in and out of your children’s lives. If a woman is super strict about not having children yet or at all, you should think twice before you introduce her to your little ones. Moreover, you should seek women who have children of their own.

4. Ladies, just because a single man has children doesn’t mean he’s a loser. There are loads of men who are about the business of being great fathers and great companions. Yes, he can multi-task. And no, “Baby-Mama drama” is not apart of the fabric of Black America. You watch too much BET!

xo gt.

16 Comments – Add Yours

  1. avatar Clnmike says:

    Great article and good list, I will point out that the dude who takes care of his kids is a sure sign that he is a man………for those who are looking for one that is.

  2. Why should he tell you he has children as soon as he meets you. Personally, as a single mother, if I am giving my number to someone I just meet, I am not mentioning that I have a child because it is irrelevant to the conversation unless it is brought up. Now when that person calls, of course, I will mention I have a child.

    Personally, it is a plus if the man has a child and is a great father. I would rather that in my newfound status as a mother than a man with no kids any day. Of course, too many kids is a deal breaker for me!

  3. I skipped most of the post and read the tips at the bottom. They’re all pretty common sense, really. As a single dad of two boys, I can’t really see myself not telling a woman I have kids since all my priorities in life are centered on them. If a man is serious about his children and about having a relationship, he’ll be turned off by a woman who doesn’t respect his status as a father anyway.

    That said, sisters do need to be honest with themselves about whether dating a man with kids is something they’re up for. No, you’re not meeting my boys anytime soon after we first meet, and yes, you do have to accept the added responsibilities that I have as a dad if we’re going to work. if you can’t get down, say so, say so early, and keep it movin.

  4. Great article Geneva! I do think that it’s interesting that a single parent has to divulge that they have kids on the very first meeting. Like the brother in the article and the previous commenters said, that is a very personal subject. I think that as long as it is divulged early in the relationship and never lied about, it is ok not to tell that in the first meeting.

  5. avatar Jazz says:

    Funny, I am going through this situation right now for the first time. I am a 30 year old woman living in the DC Area, and I had managed to make it all this time without dating a man with children. Not so much that I ran at any mention of children, I like kids,I just happen to have never dated any. I recently met a great guy, but he has a child. I don’t really have a problem with it, and initially I didn’t think it would really impact or bother me. But as time goes on, it is a little difficult because there is less time for him to spend with me, and there’s that thing where you’re not number one, the kid is, which I am DEFINITELY not used to. There are times when I do feel like I’m on the sideline, especially because at this early stage, I have yet to meet the child. Its an adjustment for me, more of an adjustment than I thought it would be.

    I have to consider how him having a child makes our dating relationship different in the present; only seeing each other every other weekend and some weekdays, IF I get to meet the child, having family/child friendly dates sometimes instead of alone time, and also consider the possible future: being an instant mom, building an additional relationship with the child’s mother (at least being cordial and respectful, but I would expect a good mother to want to know the woman her child’s father was seeing seriously or marrying) not having my first child be as special of an experience for him as it would be for me. However, as the article points out, after a certain age, and at a certain point, you have to accept the fact that the chances of meeting someone with at least one child will increase, so you can either continue to lament about how there is no one to date, or give the man or woman with a child a chance.

    On the positive side of dating a man with a child, I have an opportunity to observe what kind of man and father he is, instead of theorizing, and wondering IF he’ll be a good father. He is a good father, which shows that he is also a responsible man and potentially a good husband.

  6. avatar cazual says:

    Its true that what one person finds acceptable, someone else may not. I do however think that this woman was selling herself short by not even giving him a chance. Not to generalize but “some” black women are so dismissive when it comes to a man not having all the qualities on her “list”. I also saddens me that her first instinct was to “run for the hills” when she discovered he had children. Even more so the fact that her and her girlfriends were so quick to run him down and assume that he was trying to “play her” simply because he didnt lay all his business down in a club on the first night they met. She wasnt even aware of what type of father or man he possibly was.Her not wanting to date a man with children didnt make her wrong nor right but to assume that he is a bad person or trying to conceal the fact is wrong on her part. You may have missed a “good” black man that so many of you say don’t exist.

  7. avatar Brina says:

    I really hate to sound like an elitist on this subject but I know for a fact that I don’t want to date a man with kids because I don’t want any myself and I’m not up for being a stepmommy. I’m hoping and praying to find a man w/o children and don’t want to have any because that’s where I am. The way I see it…if I, the carrier, can dodge the bullet then I know there is someone out there who has “bullet control”. Plus I’m selfish and I want my man’s attention and don’t want to have to compete with his kid(s)

    HOWEVER, I have the highest respect for the men that claim their offspring because to me that shows honesty and responsibility on their part.

  8. I met a guy while I was away at school. Knew him for 2 years as we flirted with the idea of possibly dating. We finally decided to go out one day when we had both broken up with our respective S.O.s. He had to postpone. Why? Because he had 2 children: two sons that he never even bothered to mention to me, despite us keeping up with each other.

    We are still associates, but I’ve moved on to dating the next.

    Point: be upfront. I agree with this article wholeheartedly. I know me. I know I’m not ready for children, so when dating, I look for someone who is on the same page as me mentally. We cannot dive into a relationship with someone who is thinking about marriage and settling down while we are still trying to jet set and find a secure career. I’m not saying that dating someone with children is bad, but I just know that it isn’t something that works with the lifestyle that I want to live.

    Kudos for this post.

  9. Jason Hunte says:

    Great article. I tell women I have a son IMMEDIATELY, maybe within the first 5 minutes of meeting them, that way I’ll see if she runs or not. If she does, I just trip her and explain to her that children is a blessing. No but seriously, if she decides to go then I know it wasnt meant to be. SImple.

  10. Brooklyn Summer ’09 proved to be the best life experience I would never just ask for friend. All of the fly living was so refreshing. Scraping knees on the hard concrete called life, well, let’s just say I’m glad I kept some band-aids in stock! LOL. I remember this episode clearly. You know I’m all for rocking with brothers who are good people regardless of their seed count. There are just some things that have to be explored like: do you live with the child? Oh you do? Does the child live with the mother? Oh he does? Well, don’t you live with the mother then Boo? You get my point. Anyway, there are hard conversations that must be had. Brothers with children don’t get discarded just because they have evidence of prior sexual activity. They will be discarded, however, for being dead beat dads and failing to acknowledge their seed.

  11. avatar Lynette says:

    I am like poster Brina. I do not have nor do I want children. So I date men who don’t have/ want children or men who have children who are ‘grown” and out of the house.

    Also, I think another important question that women need to ask fathers of multiple children is “are all of them by the same mother?”. His answer will tell you a lot.

  12. avatar Raven L. Jones says:

    GGGGGGGGGGGGGG…………..Oh My Gosh….this is too comedic, yet real life. This is by far, my favorite article written by you. I cannot stop laughing as I imagine you saying, “I’m going to be late for work!” Though it was not an ideal conversation, I am glad our “Nucleus” includes people like Jasmine and Temple – who consider mulitiple perspectives. “CLEARLY,” we are not getting any younger, which means being candid is not optional; it is a must. You feel me???!!! I am all about Enlightened Exposure from henceforth!!!!

    Ashe -

  13. avatar grace says:

    Great article. I dated a guy with a child and had no bias at the beginning becuase i had not met the child. I was not sure how that child was going to affect my universe so i was not going to let that be a negative prematurely. I don’t remeber at what point he told me that he had a child but i am sure it was at the point that there was an intent to be more than just passerbys greeting on the street. When i did meet the child, the child was let’s say ‘full of energy’ and was too much for me to handle. If the relationship with the guy was stronger i am sure i would have adjusted as the child would be expected to adjust to me. If i really cared about the guy i would have worked it out like any full biological family would have to when you really care for each other.

    I did like the part where i was able to see him as a father.

    Single good fathers have a certain wisdom or experience that can be beneficial to the relationship.

    With every new child comes a new experience and a brand new set of circustances whether you have none or already have 3.

    I have a stepfather so i can appreciate him giving my mom a chance even though she already had me.

  14. avatar Going through it says:

    I see that this was posted a while ago, but I cant help but comment since I currently am going through a situation involving a S.O. who is a father. I am an educated sister, currently in grad school and would never have imagined dating a man with a child. But I was open minded when I met my current boyfriend of now over a year, who showed me a picture of his son on the day we met. It was an uncomfortable feat adjusting to the situation but to be quite frank I sometimes regret going through with it. He is an amazing partner and his child is loving and absolutely magnetic but.. He has this “hella” crazy baby mama, who’s ‘ignant’ self will punish her child with hellfire just to get back at the father. I’ve tried establishing some form of cordial of communication with the mother of his son, (since our relationship is pretty serious)but she couldn’t care less. This lady is quick to be boisterous, obnoxious and ‘cuss’ somebody under no sensible grounds. I share my experience to say, that although you find a man who is a great father and their children love you; you also have to factor in the mother which can be more than you can deal with. With that said, I understand why some women want to run away at the first sound of “Yes I have a child”…After all, if they don’t have children, it is only normal to expect that their partner don’t…The headaches stemming from an unruly ‘baby momma’ is something I’m debating it’s all worth it. (Jada Pinkett need to holla at us sistas about dealing with a father, lol)

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