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The Baby Blues

Monday Jul 19, 2010 – by

I’m young, single and still partying…so why is my biological clock buzzing?

My body has been ready to have a baby since I was 12 (well, maybe not my entire body, but the part that plays the most active role). I’ve always been maternal; as a little girl, I would choose baby dolls over jump rope in a heartbeat, which is why I never learned how to do that whole double dutch thing (really, two ropes? Sorry, I think I hear my Kenya doll crying). I doted over the smaller kids in school and had play children wherever I went. My first teenage jobs were at day camps, where my youth relegated me to (happily) working with the wee little ones (including a young Malia Obama, who was a living doll).

I have at least 10 years of still being in the group which is considered ‘normal’ for first time motherhood. And I am very practical about the responsibility of starting a family. I intend to wait until I am married and class mobile. I am…not quite there yet. And beyond my desire to bring a child into a happy relationship and financially secure home, I also want to wait until I have lived a little more. I haven’t seen Paris yet! I haven’t spent an obscene amount of money on a pair of shoes (that’s not really my thing, but it seems like a New York girl requirement I should meet at some point!) I have enough miles left on my ‘Me Years’ and I need to burn them before I enter wife and mother mode. I’m not ready to live for two or three people. I gotta learn how to take care of Jamilah first.

Knowing all of that, the sight of a sweet little baby makes my ovaries wail like Mahalia Jackson. Oh. My. God. I want a baby so bad. I WANT A BABY. Not for real, but for real. I peek in every stroller I see, smile at wiggling little ones on the bus. I gush over copies of baby magazines in the gynecologist’s office (how dare you leave those out when I am here to keep from getting pregnant?!?) and baby clothes in Target. I’ve pictured myself all cute and preggers in overalls and pigtails. I’ve imagined carrying my precious little brown sugar, strapped to my chest in beautiful cloth like the ancestors did and the Park Slope pseudo-hippie moms do. I want a baby. I WANT A BABY.

Don’t let nobody tell you that whole thing about women and their hormones is a myth, because there is no way that my rational mind came up with all of this on it’s own. Not when I KNOW I’m not ready to be a mom, and yet I hear my biological clock ticking over my iPod. The baby blues have hit me like a ton of bricks and there isn’t much I can do about it.

I thought it was just me until recently, I was watching TV with a homegirl, when some insufferably adorable commercial came on featuring a chubby cheeked boy that got my ovaries all knotted up. I turned to her and said “I know you’re not as baby obsessed as I am, but isn’t he the most…”“I want a baby SO bad!” “Wait, you do?” “YES!” We spent the next 20 minutes lamenting our unused wombs and this burning mommy fire that totally contradicts all these plans and goals we have that need to be handled first.

I was in high school when I decided that my husband, kids and I would go to brunch in matching outfits (blue shirts, khaki bottoms) and the waiter would take our picture and everyone would be like “aww”. There was never any doubt that I was gonna want to be a mom. Yet, I’m still overwhelmed by how hard the maternal urge has hit me. I’m totally unwilling to bend on my readiness requirements (husband, child, in that order, no exceptions) and I won’t compromise the future I know I want to hush this baby lust. I guess in the meantime, I’ll be the girl pouring over Baby Monthly in line at Target, as she stocks up on condoms.

140 Comments – Add Yours

  1. avatar Dontae Cherie says:

    Seriously…..those are EXACTLY my thoughts! (well not exactly, exactly, but close enough) I have the baby blues, too, AND I refuse to have a child without the career and marriage first. At least for now anyways……. LOL This article is so me.

  2. avatar binky says:

    Interesting article, but I don’t get baby blues…shrugs…yes I do want children when I am ready for it and do gush over the little cute things for babies but why stress and make yourself miserable over something you don’t have yet, there are plenty of things you can do to cure your blues such as volunteer and working with children such as big brother or big sister programs, after school programs, at a foster care, etc. to curb your urge to mother something. There is no such thing as perfect timing to have a child, because we are not perfect people, all you can do is get into the right situation that allows you to be ready for said bundle of joy because waiting on prefection is stupid because it never comes things and circumstances can always happen.

    As for the debate with family and marriage….um…I think it is a situation of to each there own. There are plenty of different family structures that work and benefits the child without harming them in anyway but giving them a proper upbringing and raising ranging from traditonal families, extended families, single parent families, gay and lesbian famiileis, etc., not everybody is traditional with mom, dad, children, dog and cat, yes being traditional with an nuclear family would be IDEAL in a perfect world but let’s be honest with the times we are living in everything don’t work out perfectly or pan out that way for x, y or z reasons mostly due to lack of education on things like birth control, commitment between two individuals and emphasis on child rearing and raising (NOT just making a baby). Personally, if I don’t get married and when I’ am at a point in my life where I want to be a mother than I would adopt a child and I don’t feel like I would be doing the child a disservice because I don’t have a hubby yet…shrugs…

  3. avatar Beef Bacon says:

    Like all intelligent conversation we have digressed, but let us stay focused….

    An abortion KILLS a fetus (unborn child). Birth control keeps the child from being conceived in the first place. So…how are they even remotely similar? I do not know.

    This article was addressing young women who want a baby but who choose to wait for whatever reason. This article was NOT about bashing or demonizing SINGLE MOTHERS.

    Its sounds as if SOME single mothers felt SOME KIND OF WAY at the comments that were made by people who feel having two parents are better than one. I have always felt that we as humans tend to get VERY PERSONAL when an issue calls us out. As a married woman, it is hard, so I know it has to be hard if someone is doing alone. No one is demonizing ANYONE. Just calling a spade a spade.

    As far as the children that are already here: what can we do? This article WAS NOT ABOUT THAT. It is about addressing the childless woman, with hopes that she will make the choice to DO ALL SHE CAN WITHIN HER POWER to make a stable, loving environment for a child.

    OOW children have become acceptable, but does that make it OKAY? How else are we going to CHANGE this cycle if we do not address the HARD QUESTIONS? Yes, it hurts to hear that our BAD CHOICES create havoc on our community, because so many of us have fallen victim to this.

    No wedding no cookies is a BRILLIANT catch phrase to whoever coined it. It puts the choice on the woman to NOT HAVE THE CHILD IN THE FIRST PLACE. It is not simplistic nor silly…is it the TRUTH. CLOSE your legs so that there will be nothing to complain about later. We put ourselves in a bad situation, some of us more so than others. Yet have the audacity to want sympathy from ANYONE. We are grown, and when we make a grown choice, we live it.

    How many generations of single parent homes must we have before the light bulb comes on?

    Being caught up in the moment of a brother just wanting to feel “it” or otherwise does not make the woman an innocent victim. Sex could potentially end up creating a baby, so keep the cookies in a jar closed tightly until you or your partner is capable or is prepared to man or woman up! The woman in this article is not this woman, she is an obvious think before I act woman.

    The woman that wrote this article does at least have a plan. Although it may not work out perfectly, her efforts to plan will not go unnoticed by The Creator and the world. I know many people who get LESS help than others simply because of choices. After five children by three people I begin to look at any person suspiciously and wonder if they even care?! So why should I?

    To the women out there with similar thoughts of the author: Having children will not stop LIFE. That is all I was saying. Having the MAIN ducks in a row (husband, something that resembles a stable environment) is a no brainer! IMHO-Those SHOULD BE prerequisites.

    • Amen!

      NO WEDDING, NO WOMB!

      or, if you can do it:

      NO WEDDING, NO COOKIES!

    • avatar Jen says:

      “No wedding no cookies is a BRILLIANT catch phrase to whoever coined it.”

      I think that it’s a remarkably silly catch phrase. Of the hundreds and hundreds of women in my social circle, I know two (one a very devout Muslim and one a very devout Baptist) who managed to “keep their cookies in the jar” (I’m sorry, but that phrase is hilarious) beyond their college years and into their late twenties. It’s just not going to happen for 99+% of women.

      But these are women in my social circle. Yours may be different. I’m guessing they are since I think “out of wedlock” is such an antiquated term that it should definitely not have en internet acronym–even if only among a narrow population of internet users–and “close your legs” is one of the crudest and trashiest things an adult is capable of saying aloud.

      “Sex could potentially end up creating a baby, so keep the cookies in a jar closed tightly until you or your partner is capable or is prepared to man or woman up!”

      What exactly does this “manning/womanning up” consist of if not providing a nurturing environment for a child you’ve conceived and decided to keep? I mean, honestly! I’ve not seen any of the single parents posting here ask for so much as your sympathy!

      “Having the MAIN ducks in a row (husband, something that resembles a stable environment) is a no brainer! IMHO-Those SHOULD BE prerequisites.”

      I’d say these are obvious desired prerequisites to planning children for 99% of women. Indeed, a no-brainer. But, I still think it is dangerous to artificially categorize women who have unplanned children as “women who don’t ‘woman up’” and women who don’t as “think-before-they-act” women. In reality, for most women, having to decide what to do about an unplanned pregnancy is a there-but-for-the-grace-of-God type of situation.

    • OOW does not automatically equate to fatherlessness or marriage to a present, capable, and involved father (or mother)? We all know that. Divorce rates are skyrocketing too, so where are the gaurantees you guys seem to be looking for.

      This is crazy. I know everyone thinks they have the silver bullet, but let’s work on making families good families for children. Whatever the families look like. Traditional has never been, and probably never will be the cure all. In case you guys haven’t noticed, not even those who have traditionally been traditional are traditional anymore.

    • avatar Kasandra says:

      @Fallible Sage

      Exactly, both of my grandparents had childen OOW & both got married and it stayed that way until one of them passed away!

      It’s too much generalization & foolishness in the comment section…

    • avatar Jen says:

      @Kasandra – you’re right. After years and years stuck in the world of higher education, I readily forget that people capable of thinking with nuance are a relative rarity.

  4. @Fallible Sage

    “…but let’s work on making families good families for children. Whatever the families look like”

    Beautifully expressed…*Standing ovation”

  5. avatar Beef Bacon says:

    Health Statistics > Teenage pregnancy (most recent) by country

    Rank Countries Amount
    # 1 United States: 494,357 births
    # 2 Poland: 30,413 births
    # 3 Germany: 29,000 births
    # 4 Canada: 19,920 births
    # 5 France: 17,985 births
    # 6 Japan: 17,501 births
    # 7 Australia: 11,849 births
    # 8 Spain: 11,264 births
    # 9 Italy: 11,153 births
    # 10 Hungary: 9,175 births
    # 11 Portugal: 7,403 births
    # 12 Slovakia: 6,044 births
    # 13 Czech Republic: 6,035 births
    # 14 Greece: 4,183 births
    # 15 New Zealand: 3,924 births
    # 16 Austria: 3,275 births
    # 17 Ireland: 3,138 births
    # 18 Belgium: 2,975 births
    # 19 Netherlands: 2,823 births
    # 20 Norway: 1,607 births
    # 21 Sweden: 1,605 births
    # 22 Finland: 1,485 births
    # 23 Denmark: 1,161 births
    # 24 Switzerland: 1,092 births
    # 25 Iceland: 264 births
    # 26 Luxembourg: 111 births
    Total: 699,742 births
    Weighted average: 26,913.2 births

    • avatar Jen says:

      The purpose of this list of teenage births across countries is especially perplexing to me.

      What is the purpose of comparing the U.S.’s rate of teenage birth, one of the most religious countries, with birth rates of European countries?

      Most Americans believe abortion is somewhere between “morally wrong” and “murder” (based on their religious beliefs), and our teenagers are the most idealistic when it comes to these ideas.

      Meanwhile, European countries do not significantly incorporate religion or a belief in a god beyond deism into their national identities. In fact, atheism is extremely common in many European countries. Understandably, then, rates of abortion in Europe are the highest in the world. It also follows that the rates of teenage births would also be lower.

      Of course, those figures are not even rates, but volumes of teenage birth. Comparing the number of teenage births in a country like Poland (with 1/10 the population of the U.S.) to the number of teenage births here in the U.S. is utterly pointless in and of itself.

  6. avatar Beef Bacon says:

    Statistics: Abstinence
    54% of high school students are virgins.
    Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. (2002). Youth risk behavior surveillance.

    58% on teens surveyed recently said sexual activity for high school-age teens is not acceptable, even if precautions are taken against pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases.
    National Campaign to Prevent Teen Pregnancy. (2000). The Cautious Generation? Teens Tell Us About Sex, Virginity, and “The Talk”. Washington, DC: Author.

    82% of teens desire to have one marriage partner for life.
    Barna Research, 1998

    63 percent of teens who have had sexual intercourse said they wish they had waited.
    National Campaign to Prevent Teen Pregnancy. (2000). Not Just Another Thing to Do: Teens Talk About Sex, Regret, and the Influence of Their Parents. Washington, DC: Author.

    87% of teens do not think it is embarrassing for teens to say that they are virgins.
    National Campaign to Prevent Teen Pregnancy. (2000). The cautious generation? Teens tell us about sex, virginity and “the talk.” Washington, DC: Author.

  7. avatar Beef Bacon says:

    Now, this is where our carefree attitude about sex has gotten us: High rates of teen pregnancy, etc. Our children are born tabula rasa, but after being exposed to adults with lackadaisical attitude, it is no wonder the cycle keeps going.

    @ Jen

    “”"”I think that it’s a remarkably silly catch phrase. Of the hundreds and hundreds of women in my social circle, I know two (one a very devout Muslim and one a very devout Baptist) who managed to “keep their cookies in the jar” (I’m sorry, but that phrase is hilarious) beyond their college years and into their late twenties. It’s just not going to happen for 99+% of women.”"”"”

    Wow, you sell us (women) very short. Sex is wonderful, but after watching everybody go through DRAMA, I knew better. I did not want to ‘experience’ getting a disease, a baby, or attached to some man that did not have my best interest at heart. Lust is powerful, but dang, where is the self control. 99+% is a very insane estimate. This is the level of thinking that created this mess in the first place. Let you tell it, we are all just some in heat chicks running around looking to give away our goodies be damned the consequences. You know what, you may have a point…this IS what most women do.

    Hence, the sad state of our community. Self-control is a necessity in this life. This is what is SUPPOSE to separate us from the animals that walk on all fours.

    I want to display to my children that regardless of what they THINK others are doing. Don’t follow…be a leader. It is okay to be a virgin until you are married. I am going to tell them do not let your hormones put you in a bad place. One hour of pleasure is not worth it. We all have theses brilliant minds yet, we allow our sexual organs to override them.

    @ Fallible

    There are no earthly guarantees. I agree. Everyone has choices to make, right or wrong, we make them daily. I am just saying that if we try ACTUALLY making the right choice to see what happens. How often is this tried? Every action has a consequence…EVERY ACTION. How many of us think things through before leaping? There has to be a mental shift in us as adults so that we are capable of teaching our children to be better. 2+2=4. If we show and tell our children better, they will DO better. You cannot prove otherwise because MOST DO NOT DO THIS!

    This “if you can’t be em, join em” attitude is killing us.

  8. avatar Beef Bacon says:

    Maybe putting some numbers to this conversation will help. Mathematical thinking can not be argued with. 2+2=4. You do the math.

    Children with involved Fathers are more confident, better able to deal with frustration, better able to gain independence and their own identity, more likely to mature into compassionate adults, more likely to have a high self esteem, more sociable, more secure as infants, less likely to show signs of depression, less likely to commit suicide, more empathetic, boys have been shown to be less aggressive and adolescent girls are less likely to engage in sex.

    63% of teen suicides come from fatherless homes. That’s 5 times the national average.
    SOURCE: U.S. Dept of Health

    90% of all runaways and homeless children are from fatherless homes. That’s 32 times the national average.

    80% of rapists with anger problems come from fatherless homes. 14 times the national average.
    SOURCE: Justice and Behavior

    85% of children with behavioral problems come from fatherless homes. 20 times the national average.
    SOURCE: Center for Disease Control

    71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes. 9 times the national average.
    SOURCE: National Principals Association Report

    75% of all adolescent patients in chemical abuse centers come from fatherless homes. 10 times the national average.
    SOURCE: Rainbow’s for all God’s Children

    85% of all youths in prison come from fatherless homes. 20 times the national average.
    SOURCE: U.S. Dept. of Justice

    Daughters of single parents without a Father involved are 53% more likely to marry as teenagers, 711% more likely to have children as teenagers, 164% more likely to have a pre-marital birth and 92% more likely to get divorced themselves.

    91% of 701 fathers surveyed by the University of Texas at Austin agreed that there is a “father-absence crisis in America.” What were the 4 major obstacles for fathers to overcome? 1) Work demands 2) The media 3) Pop Culture 4) Finances

    Researchers of Columbia University found that children living in two-parent households with a poor relationship with their father are 68% more likely to smoke, drink or use drugs compared to all teens in two-parent households. Moreover, teens in single-mother households fared much worse. They had a 30% higher risk than those in all two-parent households.

    “Without two parents, working together as a team, the child has more difficulty learning the combination of empathy, reciprocity, fairness and self-command that people ordinarily take for granted. If the child does not learn this at home, society will have to manage his behavior in some other way. He may have to be rehabilitated, incarcerated, or otherwise restrained. In this case, prisons will substitute for parents.”
    SOURCE: Morse, Jennifer Roback. “Parents or Prisons.” Policy Review, 2003

    Children with Fathers who are involved are 40% less likely to repeat a grade in school.
    SOURCE: National Household Education Survey

    Children with Fathers who are involved are 70% less likely to drop out of school.

    Children with Fathers who are involved are more likely to get A’s in school.

    Children with Fathers who are involved are more likely to enjoy school and engage in extracurricular activities.

    Even in high crime neighborhoods, 90% of children from stable 2 parent homes where the Father is involved do not become delinquents.
    SOURCE: Development and Psychopathology 1993

    Adolescent girls raised in a 2 parent home with involved Fathers are significantly less likely to be sexually active than girls raised without involved Fathers.
    SOURCE: Journal of Marriage and Family, 1994

  9. avatar Beef Bacon says:

    Those numbers are WHY is very important we do better. We know how we got here, how do we fix it?

    “My hope for my children must be that they respond to the still, small voice of God in their own hearts. ”
    Andrew Young (1932-)
    A Way Out of No Way (1994)

    “We can’t solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.” Albert Einstein

    • I think this will be my last response to this thread unless someone says something new that’s so preposterous it has to be addressed lest I have a stroke. Nobody has argued AGAINST families with both parents. I’m sure that two ABLE parents is a great thing. I think everyone for the most part has agreed with that… that’s a point that need no longer be offered. I think most women would choose to have that option if it were one. There is consensus here!

      Unfortunately that’s where the consensus stops. There will continue to be children of all nationalities born to unwed mothers. The large majority of women will become sexually active before marriage no matter your judgment of that choice, “right” or “wrong”, and sometimes children will result. Sometimes as a result, they will raise them alone… sometimes their fathers will raise them alone (firsthand account). If you want to work to change that, have at it, I’m not saying that you shouldn’t. Teaching responsibility and encouraging abstinence is not hurtful. That’s not a bad thing to want to help to see practiced more, but you will never eradicate sex before marriage, out of wedlock births, or divorce, and if you think you can you’re delusional. I think those children would benefit from not being addressed as bastards by adults or regarded as less than because one or the other parent is absent for whatever reason.

      Right and better are both subjective valuations based on your perspective… probably based on all of the statistics you just regurgitated. But a couple of things to consider.

      An out of wedlock birth and fatherlessness are two different things. Also, are there any other unifying social or familial aspects that the individuals involved in all of the undesired outcomes you posted share? You’d need to look at all of the similarities and not just the ones that best serve your agenda. I’d argue that an absent father is probably the least of what many of these people have dealt with. Whether cyclical poverty, unhealthy environments, abuse, lack of access to adequate education, mental, and healthcare, it goes on and on… often all of the above, and unfortunately a father won’t fix everything. I’d argue that most good single parent households, headed by male or females (those that aren’t living in poverty, bad neighborhoods, dealing with abuse, have access to education, healthcare, and other resources) aren’t who your stats are referring to. The most significant factor that determines the life outcomes of a child is that of the parent. So if my parent is an educated contributing member of society, more than likely I will to. If my parent is a drug abusing, uneducated, poor, criminal with a high rate of recidivism, the chance of my life outcomes looking much different are small… father or no. Let’s work on dealing with the real issues.

      “Small voice of God” I hear you, but 80% of the prison population consider themselves Christian. But I wouldn’t be so short sighted as to tie one to the other.

  10. avatar Beef Bacon says:

    Ok, I am done with my research for now. What can I say: I love numbers….they show the truth.

    • avatar Jen says:

      I am honestly perplexed as to what point you were trying to make in posting all of these very commonly known statistics.

    • avatar Beef Bacon says:

      @ Jen

      You seem to have book sense but not a firm grasp on reality.

      FYI Jen…

      It’s great that you know these stats already, but I was sharing with those who don’t. This is a discussion. EVERYONE’S point of view should be respected whether you agree with it or not. Instead of wasting brainpower being, “perplexed” wondering WHY I posted the stats…just read them and take from them what you will. Why I posted them is irrelevant.

      Better than a thousand hollow words, is one word that brings peace.
      -Buddha

    • avatar Jen says:

      Again, I am perplexed. Why would you post a series of “statistics” with no obvious nexus to any argument you have presented and then resist explaining your posts’ relevance? What is one expected to do with that information? What, if any, problem have you highlighted? And how do your suggestions alleviate it?

      Your statistics seem to indicate that father absence is somehow associated with poverty and the pathologies associated with poverty, but have neither established nor proposed cause or effect. CORRELATION DOES NOT IMPLY CAUSATION. So, without offering some kind of explanation, you aren’t doing anything but stating something anybody Black with eyes can see–and in a very rote fashion, I’d add–thus encouraging superficial thinking and impotent co-signing.

      So, does father absence cause poverty or are those in poverty more likely to suffer the effects of and/or contribute to father-absence?

      *I* think it is clear that father absence is both the cause and effect of many of the pathologies associated with the poverty that we see in much of the Black community. But, given that the relationship between poverty and father absence is so complicated, don’t you think we’d do best to dignify the topic with deeper thought than you’ve shown by posting unexplained statistics and omikuji?

  11. avatar Akai* says:

    @Beef Bacon: I find no value in engaging naysayers whose only ‘value’ – in between blazingly insecure and desperate antics i.e. trying to convince others of how educated they are and ‘of a certain class’ *snick* – is to constantly jump in and blab about why X, Y or Z can’t be done; they’re not a part of the solution and the very reason things remain the same.

    I’m going to speak from the POV of my age group and younger (hope you don’t mind). It’s not enough to simply tell a teenager “Don’t do it!” without providing practical, workable tools and support to make it feasible. In addition to the things mentioned in my other comment, the dialogue has to go deeper as well as provide realistic suggestions on how to deal in certain situations.

    In a lot of these housing complexes, inner cities etc., unfortunately another negative consequence of OOW children and unmarried mothers is a lack of parenting skills. One would be doing good to get some of them to attend PTA meetings, let alone demand accountability, and being ridiculously strict and unmoving is not the business but parents do have to always demand accountability; while I understand it now, back then I thought my parents were the devil and annoying, irritating and aggravating.

    Teenagers should have to communicate about where they are, where they’re going, who is going to be there, give an address, deal with parents calling up and speaking to friends’ parents etc…and heaven help if we were not where we said we’d be or with whom we stated.

    It’s been said (paraphrasing) “An idle mind is a playground for the devil” and often that’s true. So, it’s important for the girls to explore who they truly are, what they like, don’t like, and explore new interests/hobbies etc. There is so much to learn, see and do – beyond constantly fixating on boys – so regular group get-togethers, activities i.e. sports, dance, designing jewelry, volunteering at the local animal shelter, community service or whatever are crucial.

    My first year of undergrad was the first time I’d witnessed people get so wasted to the point of puking, stumbling around, incoherent babbling, and any number of embarrassing and ridiculous antics. It is not a good look and several acquaintances got caught up, so in the group we talk frankly with the girls about how alcohol can make you feel arousal and lowers one’s inhibitions — almost setting a perfect scene for making an irresponsible and bad choice. Another thing is, though some may find it uncomfortable, conversations about self-pleasure or masturbation should also be had with teenagers as, no doubt about it, hormones are running mad wild.

    Although the main push is to wait — my cousin’s group is inclusive, realistic, and includes virgins, non-virgins that have decided to wait (recommitment), those committed to celibacy for 1 year (or any timeframe they personally feel is attainable for them) — it’s important to meet each little sister where they are in their lives. One of the girls recently committed to abstinence for 1 year after having been active for 3 and an Auntie simply saying “Keep ya’ legs closed!” would have been useless and trite. What motivated the decision was connecting with her own feelings; we were lounging and making home-made veggie pizzas a while back and she shared how, though she enjoyed parts of it, she’d never ‘reached a peak’ then she got very quiet and started to cry. Through the tears, talk and laughter things became clearer and she realized what she craved was affection and being held but having sex with guys to get those things.

    My parents are former hippies (father = moderate conservative, mother = Independent). They always stressed core values yet my mother was also very straightforward when it came time to talk about our maturing bodies and sex. I love love love sex and, though I’m an adult now, she still gets a kick out of mentioning something about sex (nothing inappropriate or vulgar) and seeing me want to crawl under a table to hide, or she does things like tell me I need to go get an “or-ga-siz-em” (her English is a trip) from my hubby if I happen to be a little grouchy.

    Anyway, if a healthy and informed decision is made to have sex, cool. However, the hope is they’ll walk away with the strength to never play themselves cheap and just give it away willy nilly on a one night stand, to someone they’re not even in a relationship with and, especially, someone that treats them like crap and with no respect. The goal is for more young girls to begin to know and proudly own the fact that in various situations they’ve the right to be selfish. Selfish, selfish, friggin’ selfish! Selfish about placing the health of their own body first and above that of any partner. Selfish in demanding condom use. Selfish in deeming their own physical pleasure of equal value/importance and never lying there getting nothing out of it while some dude gets his.

    Any insinuation that nothing can change simply because the OOW rate steadily rose from around 35% in the 30′s to the current 70% is a defeatist posture to me — and being defeatist, always poo poo’ing reasonable suggestions etc. is the very reason a lot of things never change or get worse. That’s almost like saying even though 80% of AA females are overweight and/or obese and suffering the ill effects in disease and death, nothing can be done about it and the trend can’t be reversed because people gon’ eat…so pass the greasy ribs, mac and cheese.

    • avatar Jen says:

      First of all, the entire purpose of me mentioning education and class was to point out that as MOST educated/middle class people of color interact with white people on a daily basis, and on a far less superficial level than the average white person interacts with US, it is absolutely NOT asinine for us to suggest that we are familiar with white cultural norms.

      That said, despite the fact that it was clearly your intent to highlight animosity where there was none, I very much agree with and appreciate much of what you said.

      Here is why: what you have described involves developing personal relationships with young women and teaching them self-valuation, traditionalism and the setting of attainable goals. This is nothing like typical abstinence education, and you should feel very blessed if this was the nature of the “abstinence education” you grew up with. Building such relationships, in combination with teaching young people how to effectively utilize birth control, would make a real difference in the rate of unplanned pregnancy in the American community, generally.

      I hope to maintain very open lines of communication with my children as it relates to sex. I plan to teach my sons and daughters to try never to have sex except within the confines of a committed ADULT relationship wherein marriage is a mutual goal. However, I will also teach them to take sex very seriously even if they act against this guidance, as sex is meant to produce life and not merely as a means to achieve pleasure. In doing so, I plan to teach them about birth control early on and to never make them feel ashamed of their sexual desires in hopes that when they make the choice to become sexually active, accessibility to birth control options is never a problem that leads to unplanned pregnancy.

      I do not think that things are incapable of changing. I am very much a believer in change. But, I am also a pragmatist. And I know that you will never stop young people from having pre-marital sex. It is something that has always been common and always will be. What you can do is teach them to make better decision as they relate to sexual health and family planning. However, that type of pragmatism is absent from many of the “solutions” that have been suggested here.

      “That’s almost like saying even though 80% of AA females are overweight and/or obese and suffering the ill effects in disease and death, nothing can be done about it and the trend can’t be reversed because people gon’ eat…so pass the greasy ribs, mac and cheese.”

      This is a false analogy. Sexual desire is totally natural and normal. The eating habits of certain members of the Black community (and…hell…Americans, generally) are incredibly unnatural and fully taught.

    • avatar Akai* says:

      Jen wrote: “…the entire purpose of me mentioning education and class was to point out that as MOST educated/middle class people of color interact with white people on a daily basis, and on a far less superficial level than the average white person interacts with US, it is absolutely NOT asinine for us to suggest that we are familiar with white cultural norms.”
      ******************************************************************************************************************

      I’ll engage directly once and see how it goes.

      It’s a given (which no reasonable person would even question) that most people of color in America (regardless of SES or level of education) interact more with whites on a daily basis vs. the reverse. However, IMO these casual everyday interactions don’t automatically equal witness or authoritative knowledge of intimate/in-the-home issues i.e. the varied role of extended families. For example, AAs being more likely to live with other family members vs. whites having just as close extended families but don’t tend to live with them etc. etc.

      On this we might simply disagree, and that’s cool, but this is why I found “of a certain class” and “after years and years stuck in the world of higher education, I readily forget that people capable of thinking with nuance are a relative rarity” nothing but more “animosity” towards those with a different POV and exactly as I’d previously described – a need to convince others of how educated you are. It’s obvious you’re a fairly smart chick; people could learn from you and I don’t doubt you’ve the ability to ‘talk’, exchange and share without all the ‘extra’.

      And it’s cool if you find the phrase “No Wedding, No Cookies” silly. Heck, I already called up a friend to design t-shirts (deep purple w/light blue letters) with the slogan for my cousin’s group. Take it for what it is instead of continuing to get all worked up over that phrase and others (baby mama, out of wedlock or OOW).

      “No Wedding, No Cookies” is a motivator about as “silly” as the previous Obama campaign’s “Yes We Can” and I’m the type that sees the positive and possibilities before the negative. And one value I see in it is that others will ask my little sisters in the group what it means and provide them an opportunity to share/open up dialogue about ‘waiting’ without being intrusive, self-righteous or acting like they’re better than anyone.

    • avatar Jen says:

      “For example, AAs being more likely to live with other family members vs. whites having just as close extended families but don’t tend to live with them etc. etc.”

      This is a joke. I just refuse to believe that anybody would attempt to make this argument. Despite the fact that Black men seem to abandon their children in droves, among white people, one of the top ten stereotypes about Black people relates to closeness/loyalty to family (no seriously…there was a study). It’s one of the few stereotypes with well-documented basis in fact.

      “I’d previously described – a need to convince others of how educated you are.”

      Exactly what would I gain from trying to convince a group of women, many of whose opinions I haven’t even pretended to respect, of how educated I am? This doesn’t even make ostensible sense.

      “Take it for what it is instead of continuing to get all worked up over that phrase and others (baby mama, out of wedlock or OOW).”

      One’s diction speaks volumes about one’s background, experiences, education, class and intelligence. Apart from that, words are among the most–if not the most–powerful of human constructions. As far as I’m concerned, the NAACP needs to take a break from burying the n-word and start burying some of these other dehumanizing and antiquated phrases making the pop culture rounds. Baby mama would be first on my list.

      ““No Wedding, No Cookies” is a motivator about as “silly” as the previous Obama campaign’s “Yes We Can””

      “Yes We Can” was an irritating sh!tstorm for me, as well, actually. I found the marketing associated with the Obama campaign to be some of the emptiest and most transparently manipulative in human history. I paged through my books documenting genuinely socialist propaganda with bittersweet longing. I defriended every Facebook friend with an Obamacized profile photo. I wept for my country that so many people got so swept up in it. Well, not really. But I could have.

    • avatar Beef Bacon says:

      @ Akai*

      I agree. I (for some strange reason) was trying to relay to some why there is a need to think outside of the box.

      I do agree that teens need to be able to express themselves in a healthy way, i.e. talk, activities, etc. I also feel that it begins with their #1 role model: parent(s). If a young person sees daddy or mommy, etc. engaging in questionable activities, it does not give that child much reason to wait. This is why I say we as adults need to change our philosophy about sex.

      Your thoughts become your actions. So if a mother/father is walking around with the mindset that pre-marital sex is inevitable for 99+%, guess what…the likelihood of that same mother/father teaching abstinence is very small if at all.

      When I talk with young people, I let them know the truth. I say, “Yeah sex may be blah, blah blah, but here’s what you don’t hear about it.” I show pictures of diseases, share stories of sex gone wrong. This is how I back up my “Wait” slogan. I have not lost faith that we as adults will take our rightful positions and begin to raise our children in the way that they should go. I envision a world where 5% have pre-marital sex. I know it is possible if we change. I am not so naive to think it will happen overnight, yet it has to start somewhere.

      You will never see the ocean if you will not leave the shore. – ?

  12. avatar Akai* says:

    Blah…blah…blah…useless.

  13. Speaking of shirts, Beyond Black & White’s online store just designed, “No Wedding, No Womb!” t-shirts. A portion of the sales will go to Crystal Stairs, a child advocacy group.

    More on Crystal Stairs:

    Like many great organizations, Crystal Stairs began with a simple premise: change is possible. As a professor at UCLA, Dr. Karen Hill-Scott wanted to create an organization that would provide service to the community, service that would have a measurable impact. In 1978, as Research Director for the Joint Center for Community Studies, she received a three-year federal research grant to study the effects of different types of child care on family functioning. Dr. Hill-Scott then brought her trusted friend Alice Walker Duff on board, and the seeds of Crystal Stairs were sown.

    Crystal Stairs started in 1980 with two programs, Child Care Resource & Referral and the Child Care Food Program. Over the years, legislation, funding, opportunity and creative management fostered new programs.

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