New Series ‘Milk + Honey’ Stars Debbie Allen, Lance Gross, and Idris Elba

QueenofNewcastle says:

@Laila

Once you stopped talking about Idris, to “basic” darkskinned men, then it is about dark skinned men for you. Dont use Blair Underwood as your fig leaf. I never asked you to say all dark skinned men are fine. No one thinks Andre Braugher or Charles S. Dutton or Steve Harris is attractive.

“So it’s pretty standard for most men on earth to go for women who are lighter than them….”

Yes. Women are generally lighter than men anyway.

“…and yet you say that I should stop telling darskin black women to uplift men that uplift them.”

You dont know who Idris has or hasnt been uplifting. You just used him and the black woman’s attraction to him at this site to push that wholly inappropriate agenda.

“…run of the mill black dudes such as yourself.”

Critique my arguments however you like but DO NOT question my gender. DO NOT try to disqualify my thoughts because of what you think is or isnt hanging from between my legs. Thats weak.

“I won’t lie and say someone is fine when THEY ARE NOT.Idris is not and neither are you.”

But no one asked you to. I am asking you not to psycho analyse black women simply because they find a man attractive. Trying to unearth some conspiracy makes you look bitter and unhinged.

“I was on earth 20 years ago and I recall a whole lot of black women liking Wesley Snipes’ ol’ ugly self too.”

I wonder if his money/fame has anything to do with it. If his ol’ ugly self was waiting on the train I am certain they would have a different opinion. I hear women talking about how attractive Jay Z and Lil Wayne are.

Hypergamy is something else.

And thats another issue. Unattractive men (read dark skinned men in your case) can change their fortunes with women by acquiring wealth and status. I would have had a lot more sympathy for your cries… or rather arguments, if you talked about wealth and status make women go gaga over basic black men.

Laila Apples says:

Excuse me did you just say that “women are generally lighter than men anyway”?
Okay so dark skin women are’nt women is what you are saying?
You speak as if this is fact.We know it’s not.

You see how I figure you out everytime.Stop being so see through and typical.

I’m gonna keep outing you because this is just too fun:)

“You dont know who Idris has or hasnt been uplifting”

I know that he kicked the mother of his child out of his house onto the streets a month after she had their baby and now she’s filing child support.Doesn’t sound like uplifting to me.Oh and his baby momma is light skin:) Just thought i’d throw that in there *wink*

In reply to my comment about black women liking Wesley Snipes and ugly dark dude from Kid N Play You>QONC wrote ” wonder if his money/fame has anything to do with it. ” Well QONC I wonder if the money and fame of Christopher Williams and the other light skin man THAT YOU MENTIONED on the other page had anything to do with black women liking them?

So we’ve come full circle. I’ve outed you yet again AND you have failed to make your point as to why I should stop telling black women to stop lying about the physical beauty of typical/ run of the mill /basic dark skin men because it is colorist and they don’t do the same for other typical/basic non dark men.If you had a good reason I might’ve stopped because I’m fair but your’e just a basic/typical black dude that likes attention and here I am telling black women to stop lifting you up for nothing.I get it I’m a threat but you can at least make a good argument.SMDH

QueenofNewcastle says:

@Laila Apples

Your claims are unsubstantiated and ideologically driven.

“Most black women simply are’nt hyping the looks of basic typical looking famous or non famous non black or non dark skin men the way they do everyday with typical/basic dark men,even light skin black men attest to this fact, that is my point of contention.”

Non dark skinned black men dont talk about dark skinned men being too basic for attention. For decades now, they have talked about dark skinned men period being more desired by black women than them. They even admit that this is a rather recent phenomena. Apparently started after Wesley Snipes stabbed Christopher Williams in the hand in New Jack City. Didnt Snipes refer to Williams as a pretty boy? Hmmmm I wonder why. What made him pretty?

“This site has posted pictures of random basic/typical/run of the mill black men next to their articles and these same black women felt the need to speak on how beautfiul the brother was even though he was average or less than average.”

Random and basic according to Laila. That guy with the dreads who was featured on the article about how much we should be discussing black men on Clutch was fine as hell. More brown than dark though.

“Problem is that praise is not being returned to them.”

Who are black women receiving praise from? The phantom light skinned, brown skinned or non black men you feel they ignore in favor of basic dark black men? Girl Please. You want black women to throw love towards these men hoping your benefit from it. I see you.

“Excuse me did you just say that “women are generally lighter than men anyway”?
Okay so dark skin women are’nt women is what you are saying?
You speak as if this is fact.We know it’s not.”

Youre so stupid. I am not saying dark skinned women arent women. I said women were on average lightER (not light) than men.

Again, you dont know anything about Idris other than he had a bad relationship with his light skinned baby mama. Presumably because she was light she should have received better treatment.

“I’ve outed you yet again AND you have failed to make your point as to why I should stop telling black women to stop lying about the physical beauty of typical/ run of the mill /basic dark skin men because it is colorist and they don’t do the same for other typical/basic non dark men.If you had a good reason I might’ve stopped because I’m fair but your’e just a basic/typical black dude that likes attention and here I am telling black women to stop lifting you up for nothing.I get it I’m a threat but you can at least make a good argument.”

Youve confirmed your bias with anecdotes. Anecdotes does not an argument make.

1. Havent proved black women are in fact lying about their attraction to dark skinned men
2. Havent proved it is motivated by anything other than real attraction or social status of the dark skinned man

I wont tell you how typical you sound. I am sure you have heard enough of it. Youre not a threat youre just an arrogant obnoxious ABC with a grudge who thinks they have a right to speak so authoritatively about why black women like certain black men. Youre just trying to shame black women into praising men who your are trying to punish for years of unrequited love. Hell hath no fury like a dark girl who didnt get asked to the prom.

“Why should black women lie about him being fine/gorgeous just cause he’s black?”

Prove that they are lying.

“Let the women he uplifts/supports do it.”

A trite recommendation. Saying someone is attractive isnt actually uplifting or supporting them, it is a statement of fact on their part.

Quite telling that you are to insinuate that I am a dark skinned black men in order to delegitimise my arguments. Your arguments are funky because of what they are not because of who I am.

QueenofNewcastle says:

Youre jealous of dark skinned black men. Just admit it. You share the same features as Idris but they look better on him than it does on you. That shouldnt confuse you.

Yes, men tend to be darker than women. This is especially true for white folks.

I am not going to be politically correct with you. Maybe you need to burn that prom dress you were never able to wear. Its bringing back too many painful memories and you taking it out on me and dark skinned black men.

You know exactly why Christoper Williams was referred to as a pretty boy. Black men with light skin and “good hair” are pretty because those features, apparently, makes one pretty according to black folks. Stop acting brand new.

“Again I know you feel threatened about what I’m doing but this really ain’t about you or any of the other ugly-basic looking dark skin men…”

No this is about you being ugly and not being able to accept it. Stop trying to punish these men for being better looking than you.

Idris had a few runs on The Office where he played a sex symbol. Two of the women in the office were fighting over him. They werent black. Though one was a dark Indian girl. Maybe white folks are colorist too. Write Ricky Gervais and ask him why a black woman who is the female version of Idris cant similarly be a sex symbol on the show. Thats what REALLY bothers you.

Idris will be playing a mythical Norse God in an upcoming role. Eat your heart out. You can boycott it along with the White Supremacist. Enjoy the company. Youre so dam bitter.

Abagond recently did a post on the most gorgeous black men in the world. Out of 312 votes, Idris Elba won with 12% of all votes. He was up against Shemare Moore, Bob Marley Obama, Will Demps, Will Smith, The Rock, Boris Kudjoe. Boris Kudjoe and Chiwetel Ejiofor got second. LOL. Dam girl, did you try to get his autograph or something and was rejected?

Laila Apples says:

@QONC I knew you would come back and help me to prove my case even further.Thank you:)

Thank you for helping me prove that you are damaged.You insist that women are lighter than men when we know they are not.You also insist that I am a dark skin woman,which I’m not, and because of that Idris’ features look better on him than they do on me.Again thanks for being so typical in your looks and in your thinking and behavior.Nothing I say can make your kind look as bad as you’re doing right now.

If anybody is anti-typical dark skin male here it is you.You can’t even effectively take up for them without regurgitating all kinds of lies and flat out delusions frequently stated by your ilk.

Nothing you have said changes the fact that Idris is typical/basic/run of the mill dark skin black man.Nothing you say changes the fact that many black women are saying out of their own mouth that they are colorist.Nothing you have said changes the fact that their behavior towards other typical non dark skin men shows that many of them colorist.

You could not effectively make arguments against what I have said so you have blatantly LIED and you relied on insulting me based on your false assumptions.Nothing I have said here about the words and behaviors of many black women that shows their colorism has been based on lies or false assumptions.Even other people,light skin and non black men, have called them out on these things. They should not uplift basic/typical/run of the mill and even some flat out ugly dark skin men when they are not doing the same for other not so great looking men of other skin tones.It is bad for them and it is bad for others.

Unfortunately for you noone is jealous of dark skin black men especially not me and especially not other men.Let’s not forget the dues that these black men have paid and continue to pay to be put on these lists such as detaching themselves and showing no preference for all things black simply because it’s black.If some black women want to be apart of the media they need to take a page out of their book.People generally like people that like them and black men in the media,especially dark skin black men, have been showing from the very beginning that they like all things light bright and white through giving of their wealth, support ,and verbal accolades,which btw you claimed isn’t a form of upliftment yet we know it is,to all things light brite and white.I don’t blame these others at all for their reciprocated support for black men.Those people are simply uplifting those that uplift them.Dark skin black women should act accordingly.

I will not support Idris.I don’t have to as you mentioned all of the things he’s got going for him.Let the others that he supports suport him. As much as you’d like to believe that this is about some jealousy of basic and ugly black men it isn’t.This is about black women and their colorist behaviors that doesn’t benefit them or ohers.This is also about non reciprocated upliftment of ugly-basic dark skin men which has not been given back to basic dark skin women collectively.They don’t owe it to your ilk to worship you for simply being dark.It’d be different if you were actually attractive and supportive but many of you are just dark and that is it.

Many black women are recognizing their own silly issues with colorism and they are quickly snapping out of it.I’ll continue to challenge other black women on their colorism and you’ll continue to protest and it won’t change a thing.
The only thing that’ll happen is you’ll keep giving these women even more reasons to reflect on their own colorism and many will just stop doing it.
Again,I thank you for your assistance.

Laila Apples says:

@QONC Yawn sips tea and shakes head…you’re an idiot.I tried not to say it but you really are.

Why would I have to prove the words and behaviors of black women.Are’nt their words and behaviors proof enough.These are things that they have been called out on by many people even light and non black men.These are things that many black women say themselves.Even you have inadvertently bought information here backing up this observation of many people.

You still have not disproved a word I said not even with your so called data which we know science is challenged everday.These so called differences in the darker and lighter skin tones of men and women are not even visible to the eyes of most people.If that can even be considered truth.Are we to pretend that very blue black and other dark skin women don’t exist according to your so called scientific data they don’t.

I could bring so called scientific studies that show that it is normal for all women to love and prefer white men.Studies that show women of all races equally attribute health attractiveness and dominance to white men starting from the time of their births.We could take that as truth also.These things would be based on dna and other scientific studies and observations.

“Who is supporting dark skinned black women? Non black men? They cant even support the darker women in their populations- India. Light or brown skinned black men? Where have you seen them support and uplift dark skinned women”

I said they should support/uplift those who support them which is not typical run of the mill Idris who married a non black woman and kicked his light skin black baby momma out on the streets or his other ugly-basic dark friends.There are men that do support and uplift dark skin women you may not know any, because you and your ugly-basic friends are haters of dark skin women, thank you for making that known btw it helps the cause, but I do.Dark skin women should support/uplift WHOEVER of any color uplifts and supports them.
Why are you playing stupid?Wait I’m sorry youre not playing are you?

You have made a dunce of yourself here time and time again.I thank you and pray you will continue.You and the rest of your ugly-basic friends.My case has been proven you are both a liar and a hater.But very helpful in the grand scheme of things.Thank you:):):) I think you fear that what I’m doing may actually catch on and you and your ugly-basic friends may someday be without praise for your less than-mediocre looks.

I noticed through this whole back and forth you concede a little every time.You make a claim it doesn’t stick you come back with something else a lie or whatever it is that you need to hang onto for dear life.Whatever you do just keep it coming.
You are needed for this process of black women coming to grips with their own colorism.

Back at cha @Bye hater.

Laila Apples says:

Yeah only except I lived in a community full of black men and many of them were whores.Quit lying to yourself QONC.Black men are not hard to get for anybody.This aint about someone not wanting me this is about colorism.If a woman tells that she is a colorist and shows through her actions she is colorstruck. she probably is a colorist.I’ll call them out on their colorism because they uplift ugly-basic dark men and don’t do so for other light skin and non black men.
If it don’t apply let it fly.After the hate you gave dark skin women up top I’d say you are the one that needs healing.Good luck with that.Well actually stuff like that generally just makes what I do easier so if you doors open:)