Open marriages are something I struggle to wrap my head around, because despite the fact that the idea seems simplistically based on sex, the factors involved are quite complex. People who support the idea of open marriages say that the whole premise behind the arrangement is open communication about one’s wants and desires, but I wonder if it is more about the lack of control over those wishes.
Not too long ago I attended a panel on Monogamy, Cheating, and Dealing with the Side Piece (by now you can probably gather that I’m somewhat of a Together Apart groupie). On the panel was a couple, Carl and Kenya Stevens, who have had an open relationship for five of their 16 years of marriage.
As I listened to the couple describe having boyfriends and girlfriends and not stopping one another from experiencing new people as they come into one another’s lives, all I could think was, “Well then why get married?”
As “luck” would have it, I happened to be sitting next to a woman who told me that her first marriage was open because her husband had certain sexual proclivities that she wasn’t down with and vice versa, therefore they allowed each other to fulfill those needs with other people. In my head I said, “So basically it’s all about sex, like I thought,” and pondered how society had become so liberal, if you will, in their thinking that sex has become the paramount experience for us as human beings?
I equated their logic to the desire I sometimes have to choke someone on the subway who thinks there is room to squeeze into the middle chair of one of the three-seaters when there clearly is not—you have a choice to either satisfy an urge or repress it, and all itches don’t need to be scratched.
Sexual exploration has come to be synonymous with liberation and I’m not totally sure that those are equal terms in all settings. Part of the bond of marriage, in its traditional context, is having a sexual and intimate connection with one another that once upon a time was seen as sacred and unmatched by experiences with any other partners you may have had (or never had). But it seems as though not giving in to ones desire to have a sexual experience with someone who you are attracted to is now seen as suppression rather than self control.
Nevertheless, I tried to keep an open mind, and in researching the couple they explain that for them, having an open marriage is about more than sex, it’s about being able to receive more love—progressive love as they call it. As they explained being so secure in their connection with one another that they wouldn’t want to stop the other from experiencing the pleasure, sexual or not, of someone else’s company or energy. I thought, is this the ultimate form of selflessness?
I have to say I am intrigued by the ability to be able to maintain multiple relationships to the level that they have described. They both know each other’s partners, their partners know their children (they subscribe to the “It takes a village to raise a child” school of thinking), and they function with complete openness within these partnerships. As hard as it is to build a healthy relationship with one exclusive partner, I can’t help but wonder how this complex system of openness works on a practical and emotional level. If these agreements are truly about more than sex, then an enormous amount of work has to be put into having a husband or wife and multiple partners on the side—an aspect of open relationships that’s usually overshadowed by the mystique of unbridled sexual escapades.
Having multiple women is always presented as a dream come true for men, but several women in the audience, to my surprise, were also intrigued by the idea of having multiple partners, but were doubtful that most men would agree to such an arrangement (good ol’ double standards). However more troubling was the question of whether women should begin altering their expectations of relationships and perhaps engage in open relationships in order to circumvent the possibility of being cheated on. To that I’d say that if your heart isn’t truly in having an open marriage because it’s what you really want, then you’ll feel cheated on anyway.
If indeed monogamy is an antiquated, unnatural social construct and open marriages represent progression, I’d say we have some work to do on building better one-on-one relationship before attempting to throw more people into the mix. Of course, at the end of the day relationships are personal and are shaped by the ideals of those involved, but to share a bit of advice from the title of one of the Stevens’ workshops: master monogamy, then move on if you want to.
I’m glad this arrangement works well for some couples, but I do NOT share. :P
Wow. I’ve never seen so many judgmental comments about a subject. Obviously, this type of marriage isn’t for everyone, and it really shows how non-progressive a lot of people are.
There are plenty of married people out there who are in polyamorous relationships, who’ve opened up their marriage, and who swing…and they’ve lasted longer than a lot of “traditional” marriages. If it’s not for you due to your upbringing, that’s fine, but quit with the judgments. Those who participate in anything for the wrong reasons will do nothing but misery in the end; that goes for regular and open marriages.
Thank you.
“I’ve never seen so many judgmental comments about a subject. Obviously, this type of marriage isn’t for everyone, and it really shows how non-progressive a lot of people are”
What’s that about being non-judgmental?
@ Leah
I saw that too. How can you complain about people being judgmental about open marriages, and then ‘judge’ them as being non-progressive a few words later ?
I actually agree with the comment though; the second paragraph.
Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the word “progressive”.http://tiny.cc/r1u2x
It’s not legitimate to ignore the definitions of words just so you can call someone judgmental for using them pretty much correctly.
Marriage, however never had the definition this article implies it did, in the numbers and amount of time that people who to compare it to other kinds of relationships and hasn’t been proved to do all that is asserted by people who think it has, including the writer of the article. http://www.amazon.com/Way-We-Never-Were-Nostalgia/dp/0465090974
I also know what an adjective is. Everyone isn’t going to agree.
The problem is, being “progressive” is subjective based on each person’s opinion. Some might view open marriages as being more regressive in that it harkens to old patriarchal notions of polygamy where men frequently have their desires met and women rarely do.
So yes, a person can be considered “judgemental” by calling someone else’s views “non-progressive” based upon their own opinion of what progress is.
I think people in open marriages are not progressive at all…if anything they are hypocritical. They want to carry on the so-called respectable appearance of a conventional marriage while doing something unconventional in secret. So your point is kind of moot there, homie.
Call me close minded but I don’t quality that as a marriage. Yes, they are joined together by law but I don’t see the connection and foundation there for a “marriage“. Like already stated, why even get married in the first place. Some of the reasons used seem to be copouts to me, like you want your cake and eat it too. Hate to break it but you will have to compromise in everything. So two people should know before going into this union that you will not get everything you want as long as you have everything you NEED in that person. This seems like a marriage for convience. When it comes to my would be husband I will be selfish as hell there is no sharing, being bounded to a person for life is the ultimate selflessness to me, so not sipping this kool aid…lol
Nasty. Just plain nasty.
And if people don’t want to be with one person for life then why marry? I am very open minded. Opening your mind don’t mean you let EVERYTHANG in.
I certainly wouldn’t judge someone for doing this. But I do say just date, it is less complicated and you don’t devalue the covenant that you went into with your marriage. You would be surprised at those who would be willing to have a core relationship and give room or space if needed, that space being dating others. If it is meant to be that person will come back, trust.
This open concept doesn’t allow that person to tap in or explore what feelings or emotions that develop from the relationship because they won’t ever have to view those feelings from a perspective of commitment. I don’t see how you could experience love, lust and a strong like maybe, but not the love that ties you; that ride or die i have your back-hell or highwater kind of love. But hey, everyone ticks different.
i’m sure these people will still be cheerleaders for this foolishness when babies and STDS are involved. hell yeah this is the ultimate in selfishness. people need to grow the fckk up. do people think of these things?its a whole bunch of reasons why i see this is ignorant. you have kids and are exposing them to this? marriage is supposed to be two people committed to EACH OTHER right? dicking around with other people will spread stuff. condoms are not magical people! ALSO!
what happens if the wife or husband gets the other person pregnant? its just one big mess. ughh i cant stand other people. nobody ever thinks of shit but themselves and their “needs”. i swear sex is the most overrated thing ever and people lose their damn minds over it. i’m so glad my man is sane and not with this new age “lets have sex with everybody” bullshit.
You are so on point!!! People do “lose their d**n minds over sex.” It is not that serious. And they’re trying to make it sound so intellectual. “It’s about being able to receive more love.” No, it’s about wanting to freak whomever you want to, whenever you want to. Get out of here with that mess! Go get yourself a d**n dog.
Progressive my a**. If this is what society is coming to, I will remain alone and disease free. Thank you very much.
The thing that ticks me off the most is when people try to say that open marriages aren’t about sex. Uh, YES IT IS!!! Just call a spade a spade and say that you want to have a wife/husband, but you want to freak other people too. I personally don’t see it working out because eventually someone is going to get jealous. Someone is going to start asking too many questions (how does so-n-so do this and that to you? Do you do freaky positions with so-n-so? Do you use toys with so-n-so?) and it will just be one big mess. Personally, I don’t see too many men feeling comfortable with their woman going out and sleeping with another man. And I think that women only agree to it because of insecurities (i.e. Monique being overweight so she feels that her man is going to cheat on her eventually so why not give him the pass to do it openly). Some women feel like well my man is gonna cheat anyway so I may as well have an “open marriage”.
if im married i expect to only be with one person…if i didn’t want that i would just not get married or have a live in f*ck buddy
And your f**k buddy is going to have how many f**k buddies, and his f**k buddies are going to have how many f**k buddies…
I hope you have health insurance.
I see a lot of people who define marriage as just between two people.Those who do no believe as you do are not lesser just than you for doing so, we are just different.
@ Leah We do control our urges for the sake of dealing with others, but not every “urge” or want needs to be suppressed. Open marriage doesn’t scar children.
Dealing with more than one person does need finesse. Nobody in an open relationship could honestly say otherwise. So does dealing with in-laws. Bringing more people into the fold is an added complication that the couple smooths out as they go along, as any marriage, open or traditional does.
@Kayle
Progressive as in “favoring or advocating progress, change, improvement, or reform, as opposed to wishing to maintain things as they are”? Then, no, I’m not confused at all.
As said, if it’s not for you, great. At least TRY to step out of your comfort zone and imprinting. Something that this article failed to do.
I think she was agreeing with you…
Im wondering why people are so offended at people who want open marriages? I fail to see what that has to do with your individual marriage.
I’m not offended by open marriages. i’m not even against them. As you, said, it’s their marriage. I am against ever opening MY marriage and explaining why. I don’t think it’s “ruining the sanctity of marriage” or anything.
morality issues aside, i couldn’t imagine maintaining more than one relationship simply because of the amount of work involved. i mean, it’s enough of a struggle to stay on top of 1) work, 2) life [you know, making sure you have shelter, food, clothing, and other essentials], 3) demands of ONE relationship [birthday, anniversary, kids if applicable, extended relatives ... not to mention the other person's dreams, hopes, fears, anxieties, medical issues, personal interests, and everything else in between], let alone MULTIPLE partners. there are days after work when i see my SO, we have dinner while watching tv, we try to spend some QT together then decide we’re both so tired, we’ll just kiss each other good nite and pass out. these people in open marriages must 1) not work, 2) have help, and/or 3) have discovered the secret to limitless energy and patience.
Well, there are different types of open relationship and they all depend on couples’ lifestyles, choices and beliefs as individual people inside of a relationship. There are some with open communication only relationships, there are some with sexually open relationships and there are some with emotionally open relationships. It all depends.
Personally, open communication sounds fine to me, however open emotionally is walking a fine line and open sexually is a no-no because I know who I am, what I can tolerate and what I would like and given that, I have to expect the same of this other person. If we can’t even talk about anything with open honesty…what’s the point of being in the relationship at all?
What I’m saying is, it all depends on the people; it’s not our place to judge them.
I don’t see anything “progressive” about extramarital relationships- people have been doing this since the beginning of time (whether in secret or not). It’s nothing new.
That said- if I wanted to see other people, I wouldn’t bother getting married. I think a lot of people in these open relationships want to have it both ways- the respectable appearance of a conventional marriage and the fun times of an unconventional lifestyle. If it works for them, then whatever…I don’t care. But I think they’re just carrying on the heterosexist hypocrisy in this society.
I’ve been watching The Stevens’ relationship for some time & even subscribe to their site. There are a lot of things Kenya says that causes me think. Be open to being honest… all for it!
I don’t subscribe to the lifestyle and I have to accept participants testimonies of its benefits to their lives, but I’m perplexed at the apparent disparities in the male vs female experience & the focus on the sexual component of the relationship.
So what happens if:
1) He (or she) likes one of the new people more than the spouse?
2) Someone in the arrangement gets pregnant?
3) Diseases are passed around?
…. and one observation—> 90% of the time the husband proposes the arrangement and the wife goes along with it because she’s afraid of losing her husband (though she doesn’t really have him to begin with if he’s suggesting an open marriage). That’s not real love and commitment; that’s just a man having his cake and eating it (pun intended) too.
As far as Monique & her husband goes, I distinctly recall her saying that while her marriage is open, SHE will not have boyfriends because she has no desire to. *shrug* seems off to me, but hey! I can respect the Stevens’ situation more as it seems to be a truly open, 2-way street.
I’m guessing Monique is using the term open to describe the honest communication they maintain in their marriage, particularly as it relates to having other sexual partners.