Beauty Muse: Gugu Mbatha-Raw

by Coco + Creme

With a name meaning “Our Pride”, Gugu Mbatha-Raw was surely destined for greatness. The English actress is taking the film world by storm not just with her superb acting talent, but also with her timeless beauty.

Gugu was born Gugulethu in Oxford, England. Her father is a South African doctor and her mother, a nurse. Her parents separated when she was just a year old and Gugu continued to live with her mother in the town of Witney, Oxfordshire. The acting bug bit when she was just eleven and she joined the local acting group named Dramascope, in which she starred in the Oxford Playhouse pantomime each year.

Gugu was extremely talented in singing as well as dancing and thus she joined the Oxford Youth Music Theatre and spent most of her teenage years with the company. At 18, she won a scholarship to the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art in London, finally putting some real study behind her natural talent. She has gone on to become a rising in star in theatre, acting in Antony and Cleopatra, Romeo and Juliet, Gethsemane and Hamlet.

Gugu has become quite the star stateside, having been the lead in her own primetime television show, Undercovers, alongside Boris Kodjoe. Though the show was cancelled, it made a lasting impression and few shows have ever shown a young worldly married African-American couple. This year she is also acting alongside film greats including Tom Hanks and Julia Roberts in Larry Crowne. Gugu is a natural beauty, often going for minimal makeup and her natural curls.  One of our favorite looks of hers to date was her look at the BAFTA Brits to Watch event in which she wore a stunning cobalt blue gown from Reem Acra’s Resort 2012 collection. We cannot wait to see what the young acting star has in store for the rest of the year.

What do you think of Gugu Mbatha-Raw’s look and career?

-Faith Cummings

  • http://generation-x.net Sargewp

    FACE PALM –

    Ok – outside of the issue of race – Good article.

    Focusing on the marginalization of black women – BLACK WOMEN BE CAREFUL

    ” Gugu is a natural beauty, often going for minimal makeup and her natural curls. ”

    I’m sure there are black women sitting at home saying to themselves – “YES ANOTHER WOMAN OF COLOR” code for black women.

    But she’s not black – She’s biracial – Mom is white.

    Now what’s my issue – Ok she’s a NATURAL BEAUTY – ummm what’s that mean. Outside of race – its a nice comment – inside the the argument of race what’s the say for black women.

    The media does this all the time – and I get frustrated at how black women co-sign this. The media places biracial women on a pedestal and then calls them BEAUTIFUL BLACK WOMEN – basically subscribing to the idea that she is beautiful because she is half white – the watered down black girl idea – that watered down black women are more attractive than full black women.

    This comparison is only made to black never white – when truth be told she’s blowing 99% of white women out the water as well – but we will never hear SPICED UP WHITE WOMEN only – watered down black women.

    Get my point.

    My issue is this as it pertains to black women and co-signing biracial beauty – IT’S SIMPLY NOT AN ISSUE – !!!UNTIL!!!!! – black men come into the mix.

    If she was the romantic interest in a new Tyler Perry movie – black women would feel marginalized and undermined –

    If she was the leading girl in the next Rick Ross Video – SAME THING!!!

    But right now – since many women feel like she’s representing BLACK BEAUTY – they co-sign here – Until she dates a brotha dark than her. Now it’s a…

    Black men going for the light skin women ISSUE!

    get me…?

    Black women – COSIGN these women’s beauty or women who look like her – only to get MAD at a later date when black men are involved and they CHOOSE the women that u just cosigned her as being NATURALLY BEAUTIFUL.

    is she naturally beautiful because she is?

    Or is she naturally beautiful because she’s HALF WHITE?! AND BIRACIAL.

    See in the context of just this article standing by itself – everyone would go with the first one – she’s just naturally beautiful – and I wold agree.

    Problem is – ONCE A BLACK MAN PICKS HER – THE BLACK MAN GETS CHARGED WITH THE ONLY REASON HE’S INTERESTED IN HER IS BECAUSE SHES HALF WHITE!

    WHICH IS FALSE – based upon the fact that independent of the black man’s presence – she was JUST NATURALLY BEAUTIFUL ALL BY HERSELF.

    get my point –

    I had to point this out. Something for black women think about.

  • http://generation-x.net Sargewp

    Seriously – every time they throw these biracial women up in hollywood bw should be saying – that chick don’t look like me. That’s a slap in the face – I’m no cosigning that.

    But instead they gravitate towards these women feeling marginalized, seeking mainstream acceptance and validation.

    Only problem is – SHE DON’T LOOK LIKE U.

    Her being half black does NOT knock the white women off her pedestal the reality is is that it only reinforces it because she’s look at as being beautiful because her WHITE GENES not her black genes.

    That’s how the white media plays it.

    Same with Halle – she was a light skin B for quite sometime by many black women – or she was black enough for the other half – but soon as she got a white man – all those that didn’t like her before because she’s mixed – turned right around and saw her as BW validation.

    It was insane, I watched in dismay, and amazement.

    I’m not calling for black people to reorganize the race -but what needs to happen is that dark skin black women who are equally as fine need to be equally as promoted – that way black women cosigning women who are actually black. NOT BIRACIAL.

    because I’m tell ya’ll – it comes back and bits u in the face when u cosign these women and then a brotha ends up liking her.

    You just said she was fine!

    What a black man’s not supposed to attracted to a fine woman.

    Its seriously bitting black women in the ass right now.

  • Michelle

    Why does the whole “light-skinned vs. dark-skinned, mixed vs. non-mixed” card always have to come out to play? It’s like no matter how far advanced our race becomes, we will always fall back to trifling!!! It’s just sad to me b/c as a biracial woman, I have dealt with this my entire life. I’m not “black enough” for black people to own and accept me, yet I am definitely not “white enough” for white people!!! I do not have loose, silky curls and European features like the idealized, stereotypical mixed kids – I actually have super tight, kinky, course hair & African features so that almost all white people and many blacks can’t even tell that I am half white! However, I have always been ostracized by black people b/c they look at my light complexion, hear the way that I talk and see the length of my hair and decide that I probably am, after all, mixed and therefore “not black” or at the very least, “not black enough.”

    But I am black. And yes, I am white too, but that does NOT make me NOT black!!!

    I am honestly SO sick and tired of other people trying to define other’s race and say what other people are or aren’t. Why does it even matter so much?

    We are all HUMAN!!!

    Not trying to rant or disrespect anyone else’s comments, but I just feel like it is a shame that almost any time an article is posted, especially those feature biracial individuals, the whole point of the article (which was to discuss her incredible talent) is completely overlooked and it just becomes a debate over skin-color & whether or not she’s black, not black, kinda black, etc…

    Did she CHOOSE to be two races?! Did I?! As if biracial kids had anything to do w/ picking to be two races…so why must we be punished for it over and over and over again?

    I just feel like there is STILL so much self-hatred among our race (understandably so) that we cannot move forward until we stop hating ourselves. We all learn at an early age not to be racist or to say/think derogatory things about other races such as Hispanics, Caucasians, etc, yet inside of our own race we are guilty of being “racist.”

    At the end of the day, does it really matter? We are all HUMAN and we all deserve to be loved, accepted, and at the bare minimum, treated with RESPECT.

  • Tifani

    I totally agree with you Michelle!

  • http://nocturneadagio.blogspot.com/ LainaLain

    It’s good to see another black actress out there. Whether she’s mixed or not. To white people it really doesn’t matter, because if you have 1/8 tsp of black in you, you are officially black. All they know is, you aren’t 100% white. That’s how it is lol.

  • http://generation-x.net Sargewp

    WOW

    “It’s good to see another black actress out there. Whether she’s mixed or not”

    YEA DOESN’T MATTER UNTIL – IT’S A BEAUTY CONTEST AND 9/10 THE BIRACIAL CHICK IS WINNING AND SHE’S SEEN AS A BEAUTIFUL BLACK WOMEN WHEN SHE’S NOT.

    Have any of you mixed chicks wonder why whites throw you on the black side of the fence – and not the white side of the fence?

    BECAUSE THEY DON’T WANT U CHALLENGING WHITE BEAUTY!

    How many times have u ever heard any biracial woman black and white referred to as a
    “SPICED UP WHITE WOMAN!”

    HOW MANY TIMES?!

    “NOPE BUT ALICIA KEYS, HALLE BERRY, PAULA PATTON” ARE ALL CONSIDERED “WATERED DOWN BLACK WOMEN – AND MORE BEAUTIFUL THAN 100% BLACK WOMEN.”

    THIS IS WHY YOU HEAR BLACK WOMEN COMPLAINING ABOUT “THE PRETTY FOR A DARK SKIN GIRL COMMENTS”

    My issue is the fact that when these biracial women are

    1) ON THE RED CARPET
    2) OR DATING A WHITE MAN!

    Black women easily allow them to PASS FOR BLACK – Trying to reach for straws identifying with their position – NOT ACTUALLY HOW THE WOMAN LOOKS!

    Problem is – when the beauty contest come up – and everyone is diggin the GUGU’s and no one’s checking for the dark skin girls – NOW SUDDENLY THE DARK SKIN GIRLS WANT TO THROW ALL THE BIRACIALS OF THE BLACK BUS

    THEY LITERALLY WANT TO REORGANIZE THE RACE!

    This is the reality of the situation – and as a BLACK MAN – I’m sick of it.

    Women only care about one thing in this world – AND THAT’S GETTING PICKED!

    if they don’t get picked – IT’S A PROBLEM.

    “Why does the whole “light-skinned vs. dark-skinned, mixed vs. non-mixed” card always have to come out to play? It’s like no matter how far advanced our race becomes, we will always fall back to trifling!!!”

    ASK THE DARK SKIN WOMEN WHO FILE THE COMPLAINTS ABOUT BLACK MEN NOT PICKING THEM – THEN U’LL FIGURE OUT WHY.

    Like I said – my issue that lack of consistency – Biracial women are cool when dark skin/ brown skin black women are seeking validation in the media – and eye balling the position – NOT THE WOMAN WHO’S ACTUALLY UP THERE.

    Then it BACKFIRES IN THEIR FACE – WHEN THE BIRACIAL WOMAN THAT THEY JUST COSIGNED – SOME BLACK MAN’S IS HOLLERING AT.

    EITHER SHE’S ACTUALLY BEAUTIFUL

    OR THE BLACK MAN IS JUST SELF HATING AND WANTS HER ONLY BECAUSE SHE’S CLOSER TO WHITE!

    My problem is black women eyeball the position as opposed to the woman that’s actually representing them.

    Look at Gabbie Sidebe – U know how many DARK SKIN WOMEN were trying to force that woman down my throat talking about

    “WELL SHE GOT A PRETTY FACE!!!!”

    What!? GTFOH

  • http://generation-x.net Sargewp

    “To white people it really doesn’t matter, because if you have 1/8 tsp of black in you, you are officially black”

    OMG – Whites use this to divide up the race! How the hell can you use a system that whites designed in order to reinforce their white supremacy?

    And what does the opposite of the 1 drop rule mean.

    THAT THE ONLY WAY U CAN BE WHITE IS TO BE 100% WHITE!

    AND THAT IS HOW THEY MAINTAIN THEIR POWER STRUCTURE – AND U TWO LADIES DON’T GET THAT.

  • http://generation-x.net Sargewp

    Beautiful and GUGU may be on her own – I understand how she is used to reinforce white supremacy in the media!

  • http://generation-x.net Sargewp

    I am not throughly convinced that black beauty will never win against white beauty – unless blacks reorganize the race.

    Whites can only be white in the purest sense and form of white – NO MIXTURE – they take those who are half white and throw them to the black group or other groups – and say that they are the BEST OF THE OTHER GROUP BECAUSE THEY ARE HALF WHITE

    This is all apart of white supremacy in beauty standards and the media.

    Black women will never win in beauty – when black women are adopting that view and promoting biracial women.

    How can you win as black women – if white women and white beauty is only defined in the purest sense of white

    However black beauty – anything can go – and what’s considered most beautiful is anything that is NOT SO BLACK!

    or OFF BLACK – WATERED DOWN BLACK?

    Even I feel that biracial people tend to be more attractive regardless of the mixtures – I think that has a lot to do with genetics – and the purpose of sex being genetic diversification.

    Diverse genes are seen universally as attractive

    But in the context of fighting white supremacy in the media – that game cannot be played – black women’s beauty would have to be defined on equal terms as white beauty meaning that if white women who are beautiful can only be 100%

    Then black women who are the black beauty standard can and should only be 100% black.

  • http://afrolistasandthecity.blogspot.com Vonmiwi

    I’d have to agree with Sargewp and the truth is that darker hued black women are not being equally promoted as their lighter hued counterparts. We are a diverse group of people, but in all honesty I really don’t see it by what I see promoted on blogs, magazines and in other media outlets catering strictly to black people. That diversity should be celebrated.

    Case in point, I read all the comments about the Viola Davis cover of Essence on this blog and on another and the first thing she was judged on was her skin color, how strong her features supposedly looked and popularity. Give me a break! We’ve got to move beyond this popularity mess and promote and celebrate these women regardless even when the mainstream media doesn’t.

    If we can’t see the beauty in our own selves and celebrate it, why think someone else will?

  • http://generation-x.net Sargewp

    Von

    “We’ve got to move beyond this popularity mess and promote and celebrate these women regardless even when the mainstream media doesn’t.

    If we can’t see the beauty in our own selves and celebrate it, why think someone else will?”

    I agree with this to an extent

    Heres the other problem I see.

    Black women who are dark being so desperate for validation that they have no discretion when it comes to dark skin women.

    They want a dark skin woman to be promoted – DAMN IF SHE’S FAT
    DAMN IF SHE’S EVEN ACTUALLY ATTRACTIVE.

    Then you’ll have women question if a woman is attractive or not just because she’s dark skin.

    I’m sorry Alek Wek don’t do it for me – nor most African American men.

    I get annoyed when black women try to force Alek Wek or India Arie down my throat – but never pull on the OTHER DARK FRUITS OUT THERE WHO LOOK WAY BETTER.

    Jill Marie Jones – looks better than India Arie – Hands down!

    I get tired of women who jump up and say – well India’s pretty in her own way or some dumb BS like that.

    IF THIS IS A BEAUTY CONTEST THERE ARE GOIGN TO BE OBVIOUS WINNERS AND LOSERS.

    I hate women try to turn a beauty contest into a spelling be or intelligence contest – A beauty contest is just that beauty!

    I also see dark skin women try to do this when comparing a dark woman to a light woman. They will bring up the dark woman’s education or something in a BEAUTY CONTEST. They will bring up how HOEISH K. Kardash is in a BEAUTY CONTEST!

    What does hoeishness have to do with how the chick looks? NOTHING.

    Another example are dark skin women who try to say the issue is about a woman having dark skin but they will try to compare an India Arie to a Amber Rose – THAT IS NOT A FAIR COMPARISON – Amber rose wins Hands down!

    But I’ve see dark skin women try to play that game and say Amber only won against India because she light skin!

    GIVE ME A BREAK!

    See when comparing a dark woman to a light woman – dark skin women try to play the RACE CARD ALL DAY – the light skin girl can never win on her own merit verse a dark girl. Like this GUGU girl – I’m sorry there aren’t that many women PERIOD let alone dark women who are going to be able to compete with her on an equal level. But see if we were just comparing 2 dark women and it was a beauty contest one is going to be considered more attractive than the other. What a lot of dark skin women do – and this is what messes them up and the validity of their points is once u are comparing 2 dark women and you name one as the Victor. BW still try to get brothas to co-sign the woman who lost – JUST BECAUSE SHE IS ALSO BLACK.

    Ummmm – even if THERE WERE NO LIGHT SKIN B’S

    And it was just dark skin women – There would be those who would be found pretty and those who wouldn’t

    I feel too many dark skin women try to use the LIGHT SKIN WOMAN COMPLAINT – to try and make ALLLLLL DARK SKIN WOMEN ATTRACTIVE

    And that’s simply not realistic. They make it seem as it it wasn’t for light skin women or white women that ALL DARK SKIN WOMEN WOULD BECOME INSTANT 10′S

    Please – that’s a joke and points more to their insecurity than anything else.

    U wanna shut some dark skin women up. Come walking thru with a dark skin super bad chick – they got no where to run too – what are they going to say – OH BLACK MEN JUST WANT HER CAUSE ….

    …yea of what!? you can’t say because she light skin – and saying its cause she’s dark skin don’t make any sense – because that defeats the whole point of u bringing it up.

    YEA BLACK MEN WANT HER CAUSE SHE’S PRETTY! THAT’S ALL!

    And you cannot be mad at a brotha for liking a girl because she’s pretty.

    That’s when black women go from a SELF HATE ARGUMENT – to a BEAUTY CONTEST in 2 seconds and front like it’s the same argument.

    When girls try to bring me some ugly dark skin girl to compare to a light skin dime – I’m like NAH CHICK – go get me a fine dark skin girl to compare because we start having this debate – WHY – because i know it’s a trap.

    U PICK THE OBVIOUSLY FINER LIGHT SKIN GIRL

    The dark skin girls go – “ahhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaa i knew it!!!!! self hate!”

    That’s the trap!

  • Bonifant

    wow

    *too scared to comment*

  • Helen

    SWP,

    I totally agree with you. Black women don’t even realize that when they endorse these light bright and down there white black women as representatives of black community it hurts them. I have always felt that biracial women were just that biracial and should have there own group. It makes absolutely no sense for Black women to allow biracial women like Halle Berry and Paula Patton to be called black women and take our spots in the media. Although, I hear what you are saying but Black women, black men are not so innocent in this as you might think. There are a lot of black men that have self hate issues just like black women. A significant portion of black men prefer lighter skin women just like all other races of men. Black men should be able to use their eyes and brain to realize that not only light skin women are beautiful. We can no longer blame the media.

  • http://generation-x.net Sargewp

    “biracial and should have there own group”

    BINGO!

    That way it doesn’t interfear with black beauty.

    Notice them white women are quick to those those biracial women that they know look better than 90% of white women – over the fence to black women – to make black look bad – because biracial “tend” to be more attractive than both groups – that’s just the reality of if.

    Black women object – until I pull out the Boris Kodjoe brothas – the only thing Dark skin men have going for them is media promotion and the idea that dark skin equates to masculinity – Take me back to 1985 and being a dark skin man was seen just as unappealing as what many believe being a dark skin woman is today.

    The black race is literally going to have to reorganize itself – I still consider mixed people more black because of how they are treated and seen by whites and the culture many identify with is usually black.

    However, when we enter the argument of BEAUTY!!!!

    That’s when the biracial people gotta go and need to have their own category – or (which I know is not going to happen) be EQUALLY COMPARED TO WHITES!

    Seriously How many white women can F with Halle Berry.

    Not many! How many F’in with Paula Patton – not many – but this comparison is NEVER MADE!

  • http://www.afroboudoir.com Mads

    LOL – me too!

  • http://generation-x.net Sargewp

    “Although, I hear what you are saying but Black women, black men are not so innocent in this as you might think. There are a lot of black men that have self hate issues just like black women. A significant portion of black men prefer lighter skin women just like all other races of men. Black men should be able to use their eyes and brain to realize that not only light skin women are beautiful. We can no longer blame the media.”

    Several issues here.

    1) Biracial people are seen as universally attractive
    2) Black women cosign these women as well only to have a problem with it when we have a beauty contest and the Amber rose gets picked
    3) There seems to be many more light skin women who feed into their own stereotype and glamorize and feminize themselves than dark skin women – Prob due to promotion an Dark skin women often focus on other things that do not necessarily attract men like THEIR EDUCATION.

    Ask yourself how many light skin women do u see braggin about they degrees – it’s always the dark girls – why because they are trying to compensate for what they feel they lack due to lack of physical promotion in the media.

    4) Few black men have self hate issues. Black men are physically promoted in the media – and in the last 2 decades have developed more of an arrogance because of that. They do not have the same insecurities about Dark skin or black features that black women have. Ain’t nothing sexier to a lot of women than a Bald, Dark skin, Tai Diggs Smiling, 6’5, build like a Football player black man and many black men take that stereotype and run with it. For men who you choose has nothing to do with self hate – Rarely will u hear black men say, “I want to get with a light girl so my baby has GOOD HAIR or is PRETTY.” Men do not think like that (as a rule)

    5) Due to black women’s lack of media promotion many black men do not fantasize about black women or their first fantasy woman being a black woman because black women are NOT SHOWN – and when they are shown – they are CONSTANTLY FAT AND OLDER IN THE MEDIA.

    Think about it – There are more FAT BLACK WOMEN ON TV – than Tenika Davis – (That was the Chocolate sista in Jump the Broom)

    Black women’s undesirability has MORE TO DO WITH LACK OF REPRESENTATION THAT SELF HATE ACROSS THE BOARD.

    U can’t like what you are rarely presented. It’s like Natural hair on black woman. Black women complain that black men don’t like Natural black women – but most black women HAVE NEVER WORN THEIR HAIR NATURAL TO EVEN KNOW!

    These boys who become men have seen nothing but black women with hair (straight hair) they care conditioned by the women around them – then at the flick of a switch black women want him to like natural hair – THAT’S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. Most men have a silhouette of a fantasy women in their head – and since they rarely see Natural haired Dark skin beauties in the media – they have a hard time conceptualizing it and therefore – desiring it.

    Go ahead try to name some fine natural black women in the media – MOST BLACK PEOPLE HAVE TO DO A SERIOUS GOOGLE SEARCH – it doesn’t just come off the top of ur head.

    Like I say drunk white girl – BAM – Lindsey Lohan – see how easy that was.

    Natural black woman – …. uh uh uh uh uh uh uh – that’s my point.

    “Black men should be able to use their eyes and brain to realize that not only light skin women are beautiful.”

    They are using their eyes – and all they see are fine light skin women presented to them.

    Then when you get over to the Dark skin women 70% are overweight.

    Another thing should be point out – Black women tend to IGNORE THE LIGHT SKIN WOMEN WHO DON’T MAKE THE CUT AND DON’T GET PICKED.

    They tend to pay attention to the one that EVERYONE WANTS!

    They also tend to ignore the Dark skin girl who everyone wants who’s fine and write her off as being a Hoe based on what she’s wearing.

    Yes men are going to look at the girl in a skirt and heels before jeans and sneakers.

    THAT SELF HATE CARD AIN’T GONNA WORK – BLACK MEN ARE WAYYYYYYYYY TOO ARROGANT RIGHT NOW FOR IT TO BE SELF HATE!

    Self hate comes out of Self Loathing! The way Ninjas are shuckin and Jivin! There ain’t no self hate over here. They have foolishly boat into the media that seeks to destroy them. That’s a whole-nother convo

  • http://generation-x.net Sargewp

    Also, Helen – if you want to down play the influence of the media – and place it on black men’s self hate that just manifested out of thin air – even though I gave the reason why that doesn’t make sense then tell me this…

    How is it that black men who majority of which are raised by their single mother end up going out here and preferring women who look nothing like their mom. If you wanna say it ain’t the media – WE MOST CERTAINLY HAVE TO LOOK AT MA DUKES! Yes that would be the black women?

    Can’t be put on the father – HE AIN’T EVEN THERE – that wouldn’t even make sense – Just like u can’t teach good habits if u are there – U can’t teach bad habits either.

  • http://generation-x.net Sargewp

    are not there -

  • Helen

    SWP,

    I agree with what you said for the most part but there are some other things that I just can’t agree with. 70% of dark skin women are overweight(the last time that I checked when the CDC gathered this statistic they did not account for color). We can longer blame the media!!! Look 99% of black male music videos who are they featuring? Your Latinas/Asians/Whites/ and lastly some light skin black women. If you want to claim that black men don’t control who gets put in their music videos thats fine. But doesn’t that tell you something about the state of black men in america? Their lack of control of their own work. At the end of the day, I think a lot of black men suffer from self hate period. There is no amount of “oh its the media” that can change my mind on this. I think its really unfortunate when you cannot find beauty within your race of women but hey to each its own. I am just glad that more of your college educated black women are starting to date out.

  • http://generation-x.net Sargewp

    ” 70% of dark skin women are overweight(the last time that I checked when the CDC gathered this statistic they did not account for color)”

    Helen – Are majority of black women LIGHT SKIN – or DARK TO BROWN

    DARK TO BROWN – 70% of black women are overweight!

    That would equal the majority of black women – who are BROWN SKIN TO DARK SKIN

    Next point.

    Just my observation – but light skin women tend to focus on their stereotype of being that light skin bad B – makeup heels etc etc.

    ” Look 99% of black male music videos who are they featuring? Your Latinas/Asians/Whites/ and lastly some light skin black women.”

    Already pointed this out – and these RAPPERS grew up in a world that only promoted light skin women and not dark women. Dark skin FINE WOMEN were never shown to them. Not saying that they ignore Dark skin dimes because they DON’T!

    Its mainly the busted ones complaining – but Dark skin women are not seen as the fantasy women because they are not promoted.

    Only dark skin chick you had in the 80′s that got attention – GRACE JONES – and they basically portray her like they do Alek Wek – Not as feminine and lady like – but as ANIMALISTIC OR AS ABSTRACT ART!

    I’m sorry that does not make u want to ravish the woman – U don’t see them as women u see them as other – Hence the preference.

    I do not deny the preference is there – Its the REASON THAT BLACK WOMEN DON’T GET.

    Also there’s a lot of Dark skin women who by any standard are not that attractive but want to pull on the LIGHT SKIN CARD.

    I call them out too. The Mai Pai’s of the world. Check her out on Youtube. Not attractive. Needs to clear that skin up for 1 – and do something with her hair because she can claim it’s all about dark skin – OH AND SHE needs to lose weight.

    “But doesn’t that tell you something about the state of black men in america? Their lack of control of their own work.”

    I agree to this – but majority of black men are raised underneath the supervision of black women – under these MATRIARCHAL STRUCTURES!

    Black women want to run ish! encourage men to be complacent – “YOUR INTIMIDATED BY A STRONG BLACK WOMAN” So what’s that men if a man doesn’t have himself together he’s supposed to get with a more established woman? That’s insanity – Black women encourage that behavior – then want to charge black men as a group for NOT BUILDING.

    QUESTION?

    What type of men does a MATRIARCHY PRODUCE! – REAL MEN OR BITCHES?

    See black women want to claim they’ve been RUNNING THINGS – until they have to take MORE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE CONDITION OF THEIR MEN – AND HENCE THE COMMUNITY OVERALL – BECAUSE LETS ME REAL – Women don’t build!

    Women Maintain!

    ” At the end of the day, I think a lot of black men suffer from self hate period. There is no amount of “oh its the media” that can change my mind on this.”

    Well then there is nothing further to discuss! Too many black women suffer from confirmation bias! They want to believe what they want to believe – they are internally dishonest

    Its easier to say that black men are self hating – than to say that there are OTHER THINGS LIKE WEIGHT that take away from black women’s beauty and additionally the media does not help. But that media is not black women’s fault – I would not put that on them.

    OMG

    “I think its really unfortunate when you cannot find beauty within your race of women but hey to each its own.”

    Like I said with 76.2% of black boys being raised by single mothers – BLACK WOMEN GOTTA LOOK AT THEMSELVES ON THAT ONE. How are so many raising black boys but black boys don’t want to be with them. THESE MOMS GOTTA BE CHECKED – BUT NOPE CAN’T BLAME BLACK WOMEN THEY ARE INFALLIBLE AS ALWAYS.

    “I am just glad that more of your college educated black women are starting to date out.”

    Ur next point only proves the point I made earlier.

    DARK SKIN BLACK WOMEN HAVE BEEN DUPPED INTO FOCUSING ON THEIR EDUCATION RATHER THAN THEIR LOOKS WHEN MEN ACROSS THE BOARD ARE VISUAL. Stop trying to attract men with the same thing that men have traditionally been attracting women with. And education – which is supposed to equate TO MONEY!

    Black women act like that ish is a badge of honor that is going to attract them a man.

    NEW FLASH NUMBER 2.

    Black women are not being chosen like that by another other group so you might as well stop that – There will be no WHITE BOYS TO THE RESCUE AS WHITE SAVIORS.

    As if Don Imus and That white boy that plays the guitar didn’t already let u know how most white men let alone other races which is more rare feel about black women.

    See I wasn’t trying to go this route, but since u wanted to take it there. WE CAN GO THERE. BUT TRUST AND BELIEVE – YOU DON’T WANT TO GO THERE.

    Going back to ur other point – what makes you even think that white men ( which are the number one men that black women focus on in interracial dating) are looking for black women anyway? GOING BACK TO BLACK MEN NOT CONTROLLING THE MEDIA.

    These are the same white men who fail to represent you and show you in the media and when they do – its either some stereotypical image (attitude) or a fat woman.

    U are out ur mind on this one

  • http://generation-x.net Sargewp

    Real talk black women don’t have options like mainly due to cultural and a whole host of other reasons. Other races are seeing the same messed up images of black women that black men are seeing or the lack their off.

    People first image of a black woman when you say black woman is NOT MEGEAN GOOD – it’s of MONIQUE!

    or Sherry Shepard

    That’s a problem – Even though when I say – some white woman – its very easy to pull on an attractive image.

    Black women’s issue when it comes to their physical appearance is BAD PR!

    point blank period.

    And so many black women are so busy eye ballin the position than the woman up their that stupidly they are the only group of women who think its a good thing to show ALL SIZES AND TYPES OF BLACK WOMEN – (I DID NOT SAY SHADES)

    Meanwhile – I go to the spanish channel and all the women are 130lbs tops.

    See the problem.

    Other groups only put up their best!

    Black women are trying to be eclectic, only ones with BUSTED AND FAT WOMEN ON THE ROSTER.

    Like I said – BW’s problem is a PR problem – but any time brothas try to address it we get our heads chopped up because BW think they’re representing the world

  • http://generation-x.net Sargewp

    The other other issue I have are the black women who want to front like black women are not conditioned.

    Like I said go back to 1987 being a Dark skin black man was not in

    Wasn’t until gangsta rap his the scene – and hypermasculinity was tied to being dark that black women suddenly went from the light boys to now the dark boys.

    All a sudden only dark boys could beat it up right – in a 5 year span. Black women claim racially loyalty – THEY ARE CONDITIONED.

  • http://generation-x.net Sargewp

    Nuff Said!

  • Bronze

    what is your occupation???

  • Helen

    Look SWP,

    I don’t have the time nor the energy to go back and forth with you. I concede to the fact that you have made very good points, however, like I mentioned before black men do not walk away scott free in this. The fact of that matter is this, black men consistently degrade, humiliate, and turn down dark skin women. I am not talking about your ugly dark skin girls but your average ones. I myself as a light skin woman about Solange’s color with darker skin sisters(different fathers) knows this all to well. I don’t see other races of men doing this. It is not uncommon for you to see a white doctor or lawyer with an average white woman, the same cannot be said about upper class black men. I am not knocking black men for their preferences because its a free country and everyone has the right to do as they please but I am just pointing this out to you. SWP, unfortunately you do not represent most black men out there with regards to the natural hair and the openness to darker skin women. The reason that I mentioned black women dating outside of their race is because one of my sister’s is currently in a relationship with a white man has been for about 2 years now. She’s well educated(Ivy league/pre med he engineering). She has told me that many of her friends are dating outside of their race. Also, judging by the net is seems like a lot of educated black women are considering other races of men. But of course it does take two to tango and we cannot forget that black women have some of the worst stereotypes attached to us i.e attitudes, blacks lower on the social hierachal, most white e=men don’t want to have biracial children, overweight etc.
    Anyways, I appreciate your comments nice chatting with you!
    Peace

  • http://generation-x.net Sargewp

    “The fact of that matter is this, black men consistently degrade, humiliate, and turn down dark skin women.”

    Helen and I challenge you with the point – by asking you where all these “self hating black men are coming from?” Most are coming from their single black mothers – who still use terms like GOOD HAIR – or like in the video say get u a pretty girl then turn around and comment negatively on how light the girl is – but still acknowledge the fact that she’s pretty. WTF is that?

    Or the trying to imitate another race of woman with non black features – mainly the hair – and it doesn’t help that 100% of the black women in Hollywood even if black and dark skin have all gotten NOSE JOB – Alar Base reductions – and all wear weave.

    I’m not even gonna lie – I thought black women could grow their hair like white girls up until I was about 15 and FOUND OUT IT WAS WEAVE – I was shocked – I mean it is supposed to trick guys – problem is What happens when it tricks little boys? That’s going to be a problem when they get older and are being brow beat by black women to be attracted to 100% natural black women when there are hardly any black women who are 100% natural – and yet u wanna talk about self hate on the brothas side?! BM ain’t the ones stitchin’ imitation white women’s hair up in they heads then brown beating black women into finding them attractive.

    “I am not talking about your ugly dark skin girls but your average ones.”

    And here is the basis of my argument! – The AVERAGE WOMEN who want to scream foul and argue that it’s self hate when a brothas likes some MORE ATTRACTIVE WOMAN WHO’S LIGHTER – when they ADMITTEDLY ARE JUST AVERAGE.

    Men are visual and are attracted to what is most attractive (as a rule) I’m still trying to find these Busted ass light skin women that are being chosen over DIME BLACK WOMAN.

    See that would support ur argument MORE – but that is never presented.

    What is presented – and average or mildly attractive dark skin women always complaining about how they are over looked for LIGHT SKIN DIMES!!!

    I’m like – She’s a DIME her light skin is secondary.

    See average dark skin women can TOO EASILY – pull on that race or color card when they are beat out by a light skin women. That’s my issue – I hear what the Dark skin girls are saying – I see how the media does them. But how come I rarely if ever hear the DARK SKIN DIMES COMPLAINING – WHY BECAUSE BROTHAS ARE HOLLERIN – So doesn’t that damage the Dark skin claim?

    I notice the Average girls got nothing to say when they get beat out by a DARK SKIN DIME – like I said then they start attacking other things – like “oh she’s a hoe, i can’t believe u want that, hmmmmmpffff, what does that say about u as a man that u would actually go for a woman dressed like that etc etc etc…”

    See they got no RACE CARD to pull when they get beat out by a Dark skin women who is just prettier.

    Its hard to separate when a black women actually has a valid complaint vs when she’s just a angry that she ain’t all that but tries to slip it in under the LIGHT SKIN COMPLAINT.

    Where are these Dark skin dimes that are getting ignored. Its funny how one minute Black men over look black women – then the next complaint is that we’re so disrespectful and trying to get at every sista like a dog barking up a tree.

    Black women tend to focus on what they want to believe. Just like the white boys who date black women – Black women try to blow it up beyond what the reality is – White boys ain’t checkin for sistas like that real talk.

    Or the complaints about black men marrying white women – YEA ALL 5% OF US – Look up the numbers.

    I mean the white woman complaint shouldn’t even be filled – THIS IS WHAT I MEAN BY BLACK WOMEN MAKING INVALID COMPLAINTS – THAT ARE NOT BASED IN REALITY – BUT ARE PROMOTED BY THE WHITE MEDIA THAT BLACK WOMEN UNKNOWINGLY – AND THEN DEVELOP DISRESPECTFUL DISPOSITION TOWARDS BLACK MEN – THAT TURN BLACK MEN OFF AND LEAD THEM INTO THE ARES OF OTHER WOMEN.

    U know how many times – I’ve had a sista come up to me sayin some ignorant ish like, “HMMMMFFFFFFH, U LOOK LIKE U DATE WHITE GIRLS?”

    Um y cause I’m clean cute, speak well, stand up straight?! – Black women as a collective group have some serious insecurity/ inferiority complex issues – that they take out on black men.

    U up here talking about AVERAGE WOMEN.

    Funny all the TRASH TALK I HEAR ABOUT JIM JONES BEING WITH CHRISSY

    THAT’S OTHER BLACK WOMEN RIPPIN HER APART.

    “UGHHHH WHY JIM WITH THAT B! – HE SO SEXY AND SHE’S SO UGLY!”

    Why is Jim so sexy – because he’s the light skin biracial 5 oclock shadow lookin brotha with GOOD HAIR? –

    See when is it a beauty is and when is it a color issue. Too many Dark skin women try to make a Color issue out of a beauty issue – and here comes all the 4′s and 5′s when the light skin women that were even being looked at where all 10′s.

    How many black men do you hear screaming about Persia White?

    How many black men do you hear screaming about Tisha Campbell?

    See these are the light skin women that ya’ll ignore that brotha Ignore.

    Ya’ll right to Amber Rose and scream AHA!!!!

    See I don’t play that game – I say bring me a Dark skin Dime and see if I throw it away.

    Finest chick I’m into right now Chescaleigh on youtube.

  • http://generation-x.net Sargewp

    ” It is not uncommon for you to see a white doctor or lawyer with an average white woman, the same cannot be said about upper class black men.”

    Here is another issue – and this point was brought to me before.

    Lets compare white doctors and lawyers – to black doctors and lawyers.

    When you think of a white doctors – is he good looking? Or is he some short fat bald Jewish man that regardless of his money can only get so much even if its a notch above him – U won’t see that type of guy with a model lookin white women unless he’s in the millions.

    The we go over to black men with doctor money – are they good looking? I hate when I hear about black men with an education because real talk BW only want 20% of them. They want the guy with the MBA or the Doctorate – 6’5 muscular, looks like Morris Chestnut – and that because the TOP SHELF BROTHA!

    But is that the same as the white dude?

    How many white doctors do you see that LOOK LIKE GEORGE CLOONEY WITH AVERAGE WHITE WOMEN. That’s a joke.

    But when black women compare black men – they try to put the Denzel’s in the same category and the fat short bald Jewish doctor and go AHA! – He’s pickin the average!

    NO – HE’S PICKING WHAT HE CAN GET. Black women don’t won’t no AVERAGE brothas so they need to stop.

    It wouldn’t compliment their narcissism and belief that they deserve only the BEST OF THE BEST OF THE BEST!

    Black women are trying to add men to their program – and those who are not attractive are trying to get black men to LOWER THEIR STANDARDS of what they find attractive – Like i said – BW try to turn a Beauty issue into a Color or Race issue and vice versa when ever convenient.

    One minute black women want black men to cosign a woman like Cynthia Bailey – Then once they realize they don’t look like her – they want the man to be attracted to something less – or closer to where they fall. That trips me out.

    Its like black women are not entitled to be attracted to FINE WOMEN – EVEN IF DARK. If we are – went from – NOT LIKING DARK SKIN WOMEN AT ALL – TO NOW WE ARE TOO PICKY AND SUPERFICIAL BECAUSE I WENT FOR THE DARK SKIN DIME WHO IS JUST AS ATTRACTIVE OR MORE ATTRACTIVE THAN SOME LIGHT SKIN DIME!

    See many black women don’t want to REALLY GET INTO THE BEAUTY THING – it’s a woman thing – at the end of the day it really comes down to NOT BEING PICKED!

    Because unlike men women don’t have the luxury of being able to compensate for how they look with other things – BW try –

    OH I GOT 10 DEGREES – Brothas are like SO!

    Not to knock a woman’s education – but when BW try to use their education to ATTRACT MEN – THAT’S WHEN I HAVE A PROBLEM.

    Because the only men that they are going to attract are going to me BM who were raised by a single mother – are comfortable with women running things – and goes out here looking for a woman to take care of his behind! SAD!

    Black women think they got the PANTS! which is fine! just realize that community wise their is a whole bunch of responsibility that comes along with that. U can’t blame the other HALF IF U ARE TRUELY THE HEAD!

    This is where BW get caught up with all the “WE RUN THE WORLD BS”

    Oh really… So u accept responsibility for all the Kid out of wedlock – I mean you are the leader here, the supposed more intelligent one, what’s up with all these babies by loser men, why do so many women (educated included) keep pickin them? But I’ll digress off that point – that’s a diff topic.

    “SWP, unfortunately you do not represent most black men out there with regards to the natural hair and the openness to darker skin women.”

    HOW MANY BLACK WOMEN WEAR THEIR HAIR NATURAL?

    HOW MANY BLACK WOMEN IN HOLLYWOOD WEAR THEIR HAIR NATURAL?

    HOW MANY BLACK BOYS WERE RAISED THEIR WHOLE LIVES SEEING NOTHING BUT PERMS AND WEAVES – BUT AT 18 U SUDDENLY EXPECT HIM TO HAVE AN APPRECIATION FOR “NATURAL BLACK HAIR”

    THAT’S A JOKE!

    Next point.

    “She’s well educated(Ivy league/pre med he engineering). She has told me that many of her friends are dating outside of their race.”

    And why won’t this have to do more with her demographic!

    See black women would attack well white aren’t there black men on campus and the black guys who are on campus want white girls.

    Lets exam the brothas who usually make it to IVY league – Black 2 parent homes, came from the burbs, usually type corny and most black women wouldn’t want them anyway, NOT EVEN THE EDUCATED ONES.

    I can’t stand black women who use BROTHAS THEY WOULDN’T EVEN WANT – as some type of BAROMETER to the self hate of black men. Ignoring all types of factors.

    Then same thing for the black girls that usually make it the IVY league – THEY GREW UP IN WHITE NEIGHBORHOODS AND HAVE ALWAYS LIKED WHITE BOYS SINCE GRADE SCHOOL

    I grew up in the burbs and I can tell you at least 40% of the black girls were into white boys and dated them – who knows how many were into them but the white boys weren’t into the black girls.

    What ur demographic is plays a huge role!

    U can’t pick what isn’t all that available.

    BW stay doing that – I saw that BS in college.

    “HE AIN’T CHECKIN FOR NO BLACK WOMEN”

    SWP – Umm would u date him

    “HE NAH HE’S CORNY”

    SWP – Then what the hell are you complaining about?

    ” She’s well educated(Ivy league/pre med he engineering). ”

    ADDITIONALLY – WHAT THE HELL DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH HOW UR SISTER LOOKS!

    POINT AND CASE – again the Narcissism and OVER APPRAISAL THAT BLACK WOMEN GIVE THEMSELVES BECAUSE THEY HAVE AN EDUCATION – that works for men because it’s supposed to equate to money – That does not work for women because generally – men don’t look to women for FINANCIAL STABILITY!

    Women are not the builders in any society. And if black women want to claim that they have surpassed black men – THEN U TELL ME WHAT HAVE BLACK WOMEN BUILT?

    Its like they want medals for poppin out babies with the wrong men – and then claimin a position of single motherhood that has gained almost the position of KNIGHTHOOD in the black community?

    The topic is about BEAUTY – not about DEGREES! If we are having a BEAUTY CONTEST – IT IS A BEAUTY CONTEST.

    And even if there was a defined black beauty with no EUROPEAN INFLUENCE – only 20% of black women would fall in that. If Alek Wek was the Ideal black woman – 99% of African American women would FALL OUTSIDE THAT.

    They’d have to shave their hair, darken their skin, become anorexic, and surgically put a gap in their teeth!

    INSANE!

    WHEN HAVING A BEAUTY CONTEST WE ARE NOT HAVING A SPELLING B!

    BW please stop trying to bring – EDJABICATION TO THE ARGUMENT OF DETERMINING THE STANDARDS FOR A BEAUTY CONTEST THAT IS STRICTLY ABOUT PHYSICAL BEAUTY.

    That’s like bringing a soccer ball to a baseball game.

  • http://generation-x.net Sargewp

    Interesting how I can find Helena on another site promoting interracial dating.

    That is a not a comment name even for a Black girl

    “”Helena · 2 weeks ago
    Go to blackgirlsrockit.com to learn the truth about the dating situation between black women and white men. It is on the rise because so many black men have chosen to date outside of their race. Now many black women, especially educated women who travel the world, are looking outside of the box for a life partner.
    blackgirlsrockit.com
    blackgirlsrockit.com
    blackgirlsrockit.com
    blackgirlsrockit.com”

    And by the nature of her comments I highly suspect it to the the same Helena – FOCUS ON EDUCATION – as being black women’s golden ticket to not having to deal with black men.

    Insane!

  • Helen

    ^^^ The comment above was not made by me, I never even heard of the site that you are talking about.

  • Helen

    Another thing, my name is Helen not Helena LMAFO!!

  • http://generation-x.net Sargewp

    I may be reaching but – u tell me what’s the difference between u and her – (this woman that made the comment)

    I don’t always go by Sargewp

    Sometimes its SWP or Sergeant Williepete

    Sargewp – seems to work better – but in any event – my point still remains the same about there being too many narcissistic black women who feel that their education is the path of salvation to getting a white man. Real talk it’s not their choice. Its not going to happen just because black women up and decide today that they want a white dude. Most aren’t even the right weight between 115 and 125lbs.

    Additionally black women can not give white men white babies – which is something that white men value and their community has set up hence the one drop rule in order to maintain their power structure going right back to the whole TOPIC OF THIS VIDEO.

    U can’t give a white man white babies.

    Black men (as a rule) are not exclusive to black women because they are not building, and issue that needs to be addressed, however, I don’t see black women REJECTING BLACK MEN BASED OFF THE FACT THAT BLACK MEN DON’T BUILD!

    That’s not their M.O. therefore it may be a valid complaint but it is not legitimate.

    I’m discussing the issue of building right now on Gen-X

    Having black children is only valued when you build and pass on UR LEGACY AS A MAN! Not the woman’s – Women take on the MAN’S LAST NAME NO THE OTHER WAY AROUND, but too many black women have turned into MEN – hence ur belief that ur educational level is going to make a man overlook ur appearance.

    BW are misguided.

    With no building, no patriarchal reward, there is NO NEED TO KEEP IT BLACK because nothing is being passed on – and the way many black women act building a ship and having a black woman get on is not at all appealing because black women do not cooperate. They wanna be the captain of the ship but have a black man build it.

    HOW MANY WHITE WOMEN DO U SEE TRYIN TO RUN – WHAT THEIR MEN BUILT!

    What educated black women like urself or ur sister never like to talk about nor point out is how many women who think like you and believe that WOMEN ARE SUPPOSED TO RUN THINGS – avoid men who have themselves together because U KNOW u’d have to get with HIS PROGRAM as it should be.

    When many black women can’t even get with a black man’s program right now – based on his own individual achievement – the idea and the concept of building and black women getting with that – where black men have more economic power IS A JOKE!

    I’ll tell u what’s going to happen if black who aren’t stuck in the matriarchy wake up and start building.

    They are not going to choose a black women to sail with.

    They will have little brown babies – there will be a light skin elite in the next 20-50 years. Then that group with either persist off the infrastructure that was build by today’s black men who had some sense – or they will disappear being absorbed by the white group. If my biracial son gets with a white girl – My grandson will have very little resemblance of me.

    I know this,

    However, the destructive path that the black community is going down – with FEMALE LEADERSHIP

    I can not cosign that – and we might as well end this right here.

  • Helen

    Black men as a group are not leaders at all it has been this way for some time now. Education, economic empowerment, military camps, putting a stop to OOW births is the only way to change this. Oh and concerning a brown community I think that you are wrong. Most races marry and procreate with one another. Most non black people do not want to get with blacks at all. Even if so, most biracials don’t get with other biracials they either marry black or white. So they eventually get absorbed within one of the group’s. Wrt to my sister she is pretty, slim, has natural hair, nice and wears makeup all of my sister’s are like this. I have to agree when you were talking about suburban black women and white men. I think my sister actually has a preference for white men and I suspect that some of her boyfriends have fetishized her “their first black girl”. Me personally, I prefer to date within my race because 1) i love black men 2) i don’t want biracial children 3) I don’t want people staring at me.

  • http://generation-x.net Sargewp

    “Black men as a group are not leaders at all it has been this way for some time now. ”

    BLACK WOMEN DON’T SEEK BLACK MALE LEADERS- YALL AVOID THEM FOR FEAR OF BEING RUN. Wouldn’t matter how many Onpoint men there were – black women don’t want them – They’d rather have a ray ray that they can control and who is dedicated and loyal to her because she keeps a roof over his head.

    They also most certainly don’t want no on point brotha who has the POTENTIAL – of going any damn which way he wants to – because u know as well as I know when them other races of women come swinging they tail feather in front of brothas the ones who come from any respectable background DON’T BOTTOM FEED – THEY PICK FROM THE TOP!

    ” Most races marry and procreate with one another. Most non black people do not want to get with blacks at all.”

    U are correct – and contrary to popular belief most black men marry black women over 90% – so the WHITE WOMAN COMPLAINT SHOULD BE AN ISSUE.

    I don’t think its really about the numbers – its about the QUALITY OF BROTHAS THAT ARE OVER THERE. Black women always chalk it out to be some issue of self hate of white beauty as opposed to the intolerable nature of most black women who grew up WITHOUT A FATHER AND HAVE NO CONCEPT OF MALE LEADERSHIP – let alone the fact that black men “ain’t leading” the ones who do have it together SISTAS DON’T WANT – because a STRONG BLACK MAN – interferes with the image of being the STRONG INDEPENDENT BLACK WOMAN – Who’s trying to add men to HER PROGRAM!!!

    Black women want black men to be men in all aspect of the world ACCEPT WHEN IT COMES TO THEM. When it comes to her – She’s the queen and hes the Errand boy.

    Very much the number 1 reason why black women have this issue with attracting the MOST QUALIFIED BROTHAS BECAUSE THERE’S SO MUCH GOTDAMN RESISTENCE ON BLACK WOMEN’S PART – TO ANY TYPE OF MALE LEADERSHIP.

    YET THEIR NUMBER 1 COMPLAINT IS THAT THERE IS NO MALE LEADERSHIP!

    Like I said – their complaint is not legitimate – VALID – but not legitimate

    “I have to agree when you were talking about suburban black women and white men. I think my sister actually has a preference for white men and I suspect that some of her boyfriends have fetishized her “their first black girl”. ”

    At least ur honest hear I’ll give u that.

    “Me personally, I prefer to date within my race because 1) i love black men 2) i don’t want biracial children 3) I don’t want people staring at me.”

    But here – I call BS

    What kills me here are several things –

    1) I’m so sick and tired of black women claiming loyalty for several reasons

    a) black women are matriarchs that exist in a matriarchal structure – the rest of the world is a patriarchy – this give black women NO OTHER OPTION BUT TO BE WITH AFRICAN AMERICAN MEN – who grew up UNDER THAT STRUCTURE. I mean AA for the most part can’t even get with AFRICAN MEN OR JAMAICAN MEN OR ANY BLACK MEN IN DIASPORA – When they do – the woman is not a matriarchal AA woman she’s one of the few who have maintained her role as a woman.

    b) media – Dark skin men were out in the 80 and all before – then after gangsta rap they were in in the 90′s been that way ever since – black women are equally influence by the media as they claim black men to be. Its not about loyalty its’ about conditioning!

    c) How do I know this – YEA U ARE PHYSICALLY ATTRACTED TO BLACK MEN – THE SAME AS BECKY SUE IS WHO SITS AROUND WATCHIN TI VIDEOS ALL DAY.

    But look at ur comments – “Black men as a group are not leaders at all it has been this way for some time now. ”

    bingo! ding ding ding If black men are so screwed up WHY DO U WANT TO BE WITH THEM.

    I’LL TELL U WHY BECAUSE U ARE PHYSICALLY ATTRACTED TO THEM BECAUSE OF THE MEDIA – BUT U DO NOT RESPECT THEM.

    SINCE U DON’T RESPECT THEM – U WILL NOT FOLLOW THEM REGARDLESS OF WHATEVER THEIR INDIVIDUAL POSITION IS – AND BECAUSE OF THAT – BLACK MEN SEE U AS NO DIFFERENT THAN THESE OTHER RACES OUT HERE WHO ONLY LOOK AT BLACK MEN AS SEXUAL OBJECTS.

    Some black men have said F’it and just gone with it- turn into baby makin machines because this mess is so deeply rooted – they’d rather hold onto the hypermasculinity that gets them in women’s draws (FOOLISHNESS) than try to fight it with absolutely no gold at the end of the rainbow.

    IN NO OTHER COMMUNITY DO THE MEN WHO DO NOT PRODUCE GET SO HEAVILY REWARDED AS IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY!

    Black women love to play that role like – Oh black men just don’t do – and we’re lookin for the next Barack – yea after a couple of kids by Deshawn, or after u realize Deshawn can only bring so much to the table if he brought anything at all.

    Swag don’t last forever. F swag – TALK TO ME ABOUT BROTHAS WITH AMBITION!

    Too many BW educated and non educated are on this BS – then want to turn around 2 kids later with a loser, decades later, and turn around and say.

    Why are so many black men failing?

    Why don’t our children have fathers in their lives?

    To expose the BS so many BW are on who want to pretend like they were so FORWARD THINKING, all i gotta do is ask them 1 question.

    What was ur baby daddy doing with his life before he got you pregnant.

    ….crickets…

    If you don’t reward the best in ur community what do u expect to happen?

  • http://generation-x.net Sargewp

    And maybe you could explain this to me Helen

    “Me personally, I prefer to date within my race because 1) i love black men 2) i don’t want biracial children 3) I don’t want people staring at me.”

    Not talking about u but these black women who have color complexes and despise light skin women with a passion – and want to call black men self hating. Then profess that they are going to go out here and get a white man because white men appreciate black women’s beauty more than us self hating black men (eyes rollin)

    I say to myself – does she not know that having a baby with that white man is going to produce (if she has a girl) that same light skin B that she hated so much before – only this time it will be her daughter – or is there a deeper issue where she wants to live vicariously thru her daughter’s light skin?!

    Hmmmm

    Also – going back to the question of WHY DO U WANT A BLACK MAN FOR? IF WE’RE SO TERRIBLE…

    I got to give it to brothas for being consistent over sistas – I mean if a brotha has issue with black women and says I DON’T DATE THEM – I mean that brotha is gone

    Meanwhile with many sistas – they will DOGG BLACK MEN OUT – then turn around and say – BUT I LOVE MY BLACK MAN – lol!

    I mean if a brotha is dogging out sistas – at least he’s consistent – I don’t see may brothas doggin sistas and then saying – WELL AT THE END OF THE DAY – I STILL WANT ME A SISTA – and I’m not just talking about the brothas who have legitimate complaints – I’m talking about the BLACK WOMEN ARE THE BOTTOM OF EVERYTHING – GUYS.

    U won’t see them with a sista – but when it comes to BW – they will spit on black men – only to turn around and claim their loyalty – I’m like GTFOH!

  • Lynette

    Why does that matter?

  • Lynette

    I really dont think that was what she meant. It is not a verses thing it is a very true observation. I see were you are coming from but she raises an issue I have yet to encounter about the ways in which black women complain about things like this and people bring it up because it is very real while at the end of the day you may be right we do not live in the idle world.PS in order to be racist you have to be part of the dominant race.

  • crazytime @coco + creme

    Dude, you need meds…..bad!! You really seem unstable.

  • http://generation-x.net Sargewp

    Do I hear a rebuttal or just another typical complaint with nothing to refute the points made. Yea…. that’s what I thought – carry on.

    Ad hominems don’t move me.

  • crazytime @coco + creme

    I don’t make a habit of arguing with the unhinged. I’m not about to start now. If the other posters are smart, they won’t either. Get help.

  • http://generation-x.net Sargewp

    Yet another Ad Hom – When are BW going to learn that – these are the least effective in an argument where someone knows exactly what they are talking about and don’t get distracted by name calling, discrediting, and dismissal tactics.

    Yawn…

  • This is why we date white men

    Some black woman must have really hurt you. Not only are BW the culprit behind european standards of beauty that exclude them according to you, but the fact that our BM subscribe to and perpetuate those standards is because, well, BW raised them. Hmm…did you know you’re on a BW’s site? Disappear.

  • Jennifer

    Is it a crime to have a darker skin tone in the US? I haven’t even read all the comments, but they are scary in their vitriol. Based on the few comments I have read, according to Sargewp, dark skin women are fat, jealous, losing in beauty contests, manly, argumentative, not attractive to black men etc. Geez Louise. It is all too much. If there is any teenage dark skin girl reading this, please don’t let these negative ninney’s define you. Life is not a beauty contest and you do not need to define yourself based on men “picking” you. The man/woman that needs to be in your life will pick you. Don’t let comments like this lead you to make desperate decisions you’ll eventually regret.

    I cannot speak for anybody else, but as far as I am concerned, if you consider yourself black, we are in this together. We don’t need to be friends, friendly, or even acknowledge each other, but push comes to shove, we are “sisters” and I have your back.

  • http://afrostyle-afrostyle.blogspot.com/ AfroStyling

    Why is sargwip on this website? Are you a woman or a gender confused person?

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