As a man, my relationship with feminism is an odd one. Surprise, surprise.
Let me unpack that for a second. Whenever I seek to understand why I adhere to a philosophy or why a belief holds sway over me, I try to control for race. In other words, can I vet myself as a human without attaching a color? I find that, fortunately or unfortunately, in this matrix, my base experiences are seen and felt through a certain prism.
That prism is the dichotomy of rich and poor, right and wrong, black or (whatever your race is), 0 and 1 (computer nerds unite) and so forth. To transcend that would be to embrace alienation and isolation; in other words, survival is predicated on learning how to live and thrive within a flawed system.
Our quest to just be with no apology is confronted daily by standards that say otherwise. So when I say “as a man,” I’m including all the factors therein. Most prominently, being an African-American man in a society that won’t let you forget that.
This brings me back to the subject of feminism, something I never, until recently, challenged or fought to understand because, frankly, it didn’t directly concern me. Intellectually I understood its purpose. Yes women are undervalued. Get paid less in corporate settings. Get stigmatized for acting on the same human urges men do. Fall victim to senseless double standards. I got all that. But that didn’t stop me from enjoying the perks of being the latter chromosome.
Being a writer and editor for Clutch, I’ve grown over the years in this regard. Talented minds and writers have graced this space with insight that stood up to reason, antiquated dogmas and flat-out rubbish that dominates the male-female relationship.
I’ve grown up with a lot of Black men who never really cared to synthesize how sexist thinking and actions perpetuated brokenness. Perhaps many Black men feel they (we) have more “pertinent” issues on board and sounding the alarm about gender-based oppression doesn’t register.
Or maybe Black men feel that patriarchy is the Big Joker in a weak hand. The one trump card that when all else fails, we’re good, because guess what? We’re men and genetically a cut above. Many of us hold this thought while failing to see we’re borrowing from the same ideological capital that was used to enslave us.
(My shield: Two grandmothers who demonstrated early that women, in many instances, are not only a man’s equal, but his superior.)
Last week, Jamilah Lemieux penned a piece about an encounter she had on the Twitternets with someone who took offense to this article. This someone ended up making an about-hour long video debasing her thoughts and the like. Cool, all in the game. But then he got personal. What had started under the guise of intelligent refutation, ended up being a study in therapy, only without the proper diagnosis and prescription.
Rhetorical dissent tends to come when a system’s inconsistencies is brought to the light. But in 2011, defending (or knocking down) a point with ad hominems is so fatigued as to be on a respirator. What ad hominems also do well is expose glaring insecurities.
Black men who show an aversion to feminism are generally a product of a thought process that goes something like this: For me to win, somebody has to lose. False dichotomies fuel our cognitive engines to the point where disagreements turn to glorious exercises in bitching and moaning.
James Baldwin once wrote, “I would like us to do something unprecedented: to create ourselves without finding it necessary to create an enemy.”
The black guy who hates feminists because “they just wanna run things and wanna blame men for every problem and not take personal responsibility” is as misinformed about the intentions of feminism as the woman who blames men for everything that is wrong with the world.
Of course, this is not limited to black men. Because the infighting is played out in media circles and enflamed by articles (seemingly every week) that puts a spotlight on black men and women, we have a unique relationship to this subject. We’re constantly conditioned to see the end game as the acquisition of power. Battling patriarchal slants is seen — consciously and unconsciously — to the exclusion of stacking ducats and attaining “elite” statuses built around male domination.
And if status can’t be had in the monetary and social sphere, we damn sure won’t give it up in the domestic sphere.
What a shame. A much richer experience awaits when each sex is recognized as what they are. Not queens. Not kings. Not bitches. Not epithets.
But humans. Being born with a shaft shouldn’t make me more able to enjoy and suffer through the human experience than anybody else. A certain rapper once flowed, “Being human’s hard, on the boulevard.” It seems that respecting humanity is even harder.
QueenofNewcastle: “Well lucky you. Youre black when its convenient and a woman when its convenient. Good for you.”
Congratulations. You just broke my brain.
I want to make paternity testing mandatory. Lets make that happen , women that are evil can not trick somebody into taking care of a baby that is not theirs. And Lets make everything truly equal.
That is already possible. If someone tries to get you to pay child support, you can get a motion from the court for paternity testing. If you don’t want to pay child support you can wave your paternal rights in some states and jurisdictions. Better yet stop having unprotected sex or sleeping with everything that has a vagina and you wouldn’t have this problem to begin with.
You have an extremely elementary idea of the dynamics of sexism and I would truly recommend that you do some research. The fact that you site men paying for dates (something decided by the people on the date), paternity testings (something you can buy at Walgreens), and men not being able to cry (something taught to them by their family and peers not just women and something that can be unlearned) as issues is comical and they are not issues on the same level as say FGM, rape as a tool or fear, war, or just the act in general, sexualizing young girls, reproductive rights, sexual assault, disparity in income, etc. issues women often do not have control over.
LMAO @ ladies night being on par with the rape of women and other issues that destroy many women’s lives.
just when i thought people can’t get any more stupid, they do
men that make comment like this are generally misinformed and have NO interest in equality or fair treatment. they’re trying to keep the status quo by bringing up border issues where feminism can be uses in a way to help men, like getting rid of ladies nights
pathetic, pathetic, pathetic.
when women are being beating to death and raped in drones, you as a human being feel the need to fight against something that wants to end this? OMG YES!! women getting into clubs for free is completely as important of the rape of little girls
and i bet they think they’re brilliant and brought up a prolific point to “enlighten” women about the evils of feminism *yawn*
all the “perks” women get are generally back handed and can be uses in other ways to marginalise women or infer inferiority about being a woman and they don’t compare to what patriarchy does for men. these “perks” aren’t on the same level. free entry into clubs and getting higher wages, not being alot more likely to be raped and beaten to death… you see how stupid it sounds to try and compare these?
some of you are disgusting obtuse excuses for humans beings.
lol @ ladies nights being on par with the mass rape of women, young and old alike.
those who bring up trivial stuff like this don’t care about equality; they want to “enlighten” women about the ills of feminism because rape is a fair trade off about free club entry *vomits*
PATHETIC, PATHETIC, PATHETIC
the “perks” women get always have a negative side that can be used to maginalise and and infers inferiority
if you think that the lower wages, dead broke and beaten bodies of women is on the same level to be compared to free entry into clubs, it say alot about your character and intelligence. the few positive scraps patriarchy offers for women can’t be compared to what men get from it.
you want to fight about the women that “trick” men but you’re silent about the men that beat women to death, rape little girls and the men that are MIA from the lives of the child that they help created, it say alot
many of you are obtuse pathetic excuses for human beings only interested in your selves and not in any form of equality, empowerment or interest in helping to make an environment that helps create happy well rounded humans. you aren’t interested in equality so please drop the sh*t about “what about the women that…” you are transparent; your arguments weak and abundantly flawed but you probably think your key strokes were prolific but its the same ole crap by another misinformed bitter man (self hating woman) that feels the need to spew venom on the few spaces made for black women because they feel entitled to everything and that includes women *YAWN*
i refuse to go back and forth with such hatred and stupidity.
I’m talking about in America , we need mandatory paternity testing. And we need to treat people regardless of their sex exactly the same male domenance in America has not benefited me much if any at all, explain how men in America have an advantage over women ? I want to learn
@ Bob
Wello may not respond, if you couldn’t tell from the tone of his message, but I will. If you don’t understand the dynamic of sexism and male dominance in society as a whole including America then you need have a whole different problem.
I would suggest asking some women you know how they feel about things, read a book. Hell read this site. Then maybe you can come back with realistic debate on this subject.
I don’t trust the word “feminist” anymore than I do “christian”. I have to see what you do and what you stand for.
AGREED!
“And if status can’t be had in the monetary and social sphere, we damn sure won’t give it up in the domestic sphere.”
That’s the core problem, especially amidst minority men and women (not even just Black, but other minorities). Because minority men still have privilege based on being male, but not as much as a White man has for being White and male, they seek to replace this power at home. That coupled with socioeconomic factors, general stress, and the consistent battle of seeking equality with White men then becomes higher alcoholism rates, infidelity (to prove sexual prowess, another form of perceived power) domestic violence at home and even murder.
Until the quest is to fight for equal rights, but not seek to be “in control” of other beings in order to assert this theoretical equality with White men, many men of colour, especially Black ones will view feminism as an enemy or deterrent to them assuming power. And, in a patriarchal society that often teaches men that they are nothing unless they have money and power (and power achieved through money, status and controlling women), Black men have a hard time rejecting that and instead carving out a space and life where equality and respect for women, especially the ones they are involved with is something they can value. Research confrims that healthy relationships actually improve men’s health, well-being and general satisfaction with life. However, some will reject all of the above for a semblance of power, begging for “submission” from women in relationships as some sort of perceived equality with White men.
Jamilah wrote it best in the article you reference, “By definition (feminism), it challenges a system that provides men with certain inherent benefits; even men like this one, who feel that their race denies them those advantages, want to maintain the system in hopes that one day they might be as powerful as whatever forces kept them from experiencing what they feel entitled to.” The endless quest for power and control instead of self-assurance and well-being is unfortunate.
THIS. +1
“Black men who show an aversion to feminism are generally a product of a thought process that goes something like this: For me to win, somebody has to lose. False dichotomies fuel our cognitive engines to the point where disagreements turn to glorious exercises in bitching and moaning.”
Mr.Clay I love you & your rhetoric, I could not have said this any better!!! Your whole article is on point!!!
I’m a Black woman and I HATE modern feminism.
that is all…
Nice piece, and for me your strongest point was this bit
“And if status can’t be had in the monetary and social sphere, we damn sure won’t give it up in the domestic sphere.”
Absolutely nailed it with this point. They won’t challenge the capitalist power hierarchy that subordinates all but a tiny elite class of men, so they settle for trying to make women subordinate to them.
They want to lead women, rather than reform society to bring about equality between men and between men and women.
With that said I’m a very a vocal critic of feminism in it’s current form. It is now a female supremacist movement that no longer challenges this patriarchal capitalist order but merely seeks to deploy the power of the system to keep the mass of the male population under control and protect the culture of social and legal priviledge it grants to women.
An increasing number of men are coming to similar conclusions and I think it’s a mistake to lump them in the same category as the “traditionals” who merely want to roll back the rights women legitamely gained.
For black men I think it would be better for them to understand beyond general feminism to the intersection of racism and sexism that is inflicted on black women. I think that would be more beneficial.
they didnt post my comment :)
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