Are You Being Pimped By Your Pastor?

by Jayne Dirt

You can go to any Baptist church, on any given Sunday, and find the pews filled with throes of Black women shouting hallelujahs and amens to the high heavens in support of their Pimp—I mean pastor—in the pulpit. Most of these women are single, never been married, divorced, or in otherwise unhappy relationships. The Pastor, in their eyes, embodies one, if not the only, quality “Good Black Men.” They cling onto his every word, shouting and jumping, carrying on as if they’re experiencing a real, live orgasm from the messianic words that are spewing from his mouth.

Some of my sistren are living paycheck to paycheck and can barely afford childcare for lil’ Hakeem. For some, their lights are about to be turned off, but somehow that does not stop them from faithfully cutting a check to Greater Tabernacle Missionary Baptist Church of the Burning Flame at least once a week. In fact, a sister probably drove to church in her Hyundai Sonata with a quarter of a tank of gas to experience the hooting and hollering, and other shenanigans, theatrically presented by the ‘Bishop’ in the Holy name of Jesus Christ. (When did Pastors start calling themselves ‘Bishop’ anyway? I’m just waiting on one to crown himself Pope, but I digress.) The point is that my sistren are being pimped. Plain and simple.

I have stopped to think on many occasions that this must be orchestrated. The order of service begins with a few praise filled animated songs from the choir. The organ starts crying and the drummer gets the base jumping. The Pastor starts humming. Everybody is feeling good, and then like clockwork—time for the offering!

I expect there was some discussion at a grand meeting of clergymen where it was unanimously agreed upon to take the offering at this particular time, and then get the congregants all riled up again in this same manner after the sermon, to take a seed offering. These pimps posing as pastors peddling propaganda from the pulpit know exactly what they are doing. It’s so obviously formulaic, which is why I believe many men are absent from the church—because ‘game recognize game.’

Now, do not get me wrong, there is absolutely nothing wrong with receiving your daily bread and fellowshipping with other like-minded worshipers. The Bible (basic instruction before leaving earth) has some powerful contents that we all can benefit from subscribing to, but what part of the game is giving a man 10% or MORE of your money week in and week out, at your choice of sunrise, 8:00 a.m., 11:30 a.m., or evening worship service? Oh, and lets not forget the seed offering and the obligatory building fund. It doesn’t stop here though. Some of my most devout sistren don’t miss Wednesday night Bible study, weekly choir rehearsal, the usher board meeting and any other auxiliary meeting where the collection plate is indubitably passed around. It’s like the church house is charging an entry fee just to get in the building—and isn’t that why Jesus drove out the money exchangers from the synagogue? I’m just saying.

It is not my intent to offend anybody, because I know folk are sensitive about Jesus. But let’s make a clear and succinct differentiation of what is going on. I totally understand and support contributing to the welfare and upkeep of the church and the activities housed therein, but if you were in a squeeze, can you go back to the same place where you have dutifully invested your hard earned money to assist you in your time of need? What is the ROI (return on investment) of your tithes and offering? Or are you simply lining the pockets of a mega pastor who was probably chauffeured to the tabernacle in a Bentley that you’re paying the note on, from a home in some palatial estate that your ‘seed’ offering finances?

To be fair there are many pastors who devotedly deliver the word of God to their flock, but don’t be duped by some of these pimps in pin striped suits proclaiming to be men of the cloth, while simultaneously playing off of your vulnerabilities to line their pockets with money. Pay yourself first!

  • African Mami

    The concept of the mega church worries me. It gives me sleepless nights true story! It always amazes me that the pastor is usually questionably mightily and unequally blessed not to mention highly favored of the Most High, than his congregation. If anything most of these folks are barely making it. We do live in a world that is unfair and there will always be the bourgeoisie, proletariat and Nene Leekified (delusionally ‘wealthy’) amongt us. But with all due respect, how can you pull up in the top of range cars, while 99% of your congregation can barely make their car payments, let alone afford one?!

    On a lighter note, there is this pastor at home who charges people to have demons cast out of them! I’m always in tears when he starts skip, hopping and jumping across the dais. Yo! I just can’t take him seriously because his intents are so obvious, now. He might have began with God but he done fell off. This man can cure anything in the world. Notice what I said, HE not the Most High, provided you write him CASH, he doesn’t take cheques-they bounce. Like the Olympics there is an informal system in place where congregants are categorized according to the amount they give. Gold, silver and bronze! Don’t nobody wanna be in the bronze category.

    My personal favorite is this one who locks the church when it is time for offerings. Mind you in this church, offerings are done twice. During the service and right before it’s done. All the doors in the sanctuary are shut down . If you need to use the bathroom during offering time, too bad pee on yourself, or pay first then use the lavatory.

    Lastly, a pastor is just like us-human. Stop putting them on pedestals for they also fall short of the glory of God! Treat them like human, not superhuman.

  • Please Excuse Me

    @african mami
    As always your comments are hilarious and I totally agree with you.

  • A non-Baptist

    Seriously? Do you really think people go to church every week saying “let me get to service this morning, Pastor has a car note due”? Seriously?

    Since we’re generalizing about churches across the board here, don’t forget that churches are organizations. most file as non-profit organizations which means the church is headed by a board, not the pastor. This means any money the pastor receives is approved by the board, and issued by it as well….he doesn’t just receive a collection plate after service. Board members are appointed by the congregation. As such an organization, monetary collections/records must be kept. Ever been to a board meeting? Oh, “donations” are also tax write offs for members as well so do you believe members pimp the church for a write off?

    So basically you’re saying the members are hoin’ for what?
    Throwing every baptist church and church goer under the bus based on Eddie Long (for example) and his church is stupid. People visit, and choose to attend or not. There will be an offering, and they will choose to give or not. There is No entry fee, membership fee, or any other type of fee. It’s simple.

  • BeautyIAM

    Hahaha! Sorry to laugh, but I just don’t know how some people on this site come to some of their conclusions.

    “Seriously? Do you really think people go to church every week saying “let me get to service this morning, Pastor has a car note due”? Seriously?”

    Where did you read this??????? Because that is NOT what she said.

    Okay, I’m not going to explain what she is talking about myself because I may confuse you, but what the author is saying is not new to me.

    Read this and it might give you more of an understanding of what is being said in the article at hand.

    http://survivingdating.com/black-churches-how-black-churches-keep-african-american-women-single-and-alone

    and if you are still confused you can listen to her blog talk radio show here:

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/askheartbeat/2010/07/11/deborrah-cooper-discusses-the-black-church

  • Are You Serious Bro

    Jayne you came to the wrong site. You can’t be spitting this kind of truth out here in these Clutch streets. LOL

    Just based on my observations and personal experience, many followers no matter the religion seem to put their pastor, priest, etc on a pedestal. They treat him as if his word is law, forgetting that his view is just one of many interpretations out there. On many levels it is no different then a cult. So many on these institutions pray on the insecurities of others who to a certain degree have no idea how said institution was form or what it true purpose and goals were upon its date on inception.

  • QON

    For better or for worse, black women get so many of their needs met by the church. It acts as their social club. Their friends are there, they get to eat, socialize, gossip worship rest, pray, they have some place to drop their children off, etc. Someone has to pay for all the services that black women take out of the church. Who better to do that but them? Whose responsibility is it to keep the lights on and the water running and the heating and air conditioner going in a place that they be at 4 days a week?

  • Isis

    Lol I agree with u. The church is everything to most black women. Its like the country club for them. If they wanna pay let them pay. I get what the author is saying though but church is all some of these women have sadly

  • damidwif

    “It’s so obviously formulaic, which is why I believe many men are absent from the church—because ‘game recognize game.’”

    i disagree with this. its just giving too much easy credit.

    And no, @Isis, the churcin is NOT everything to MOST black women. Maybe around your circles, but once you step out that box then you might see.

    And QON, I know you want to bash black women, yet again, but I would say that anyone who is attending church, is doing so because they are getting whatever needs met, or they are trying to.

  • http://www.JayneDirt.com Jaybe Dirt

    Isis, obviously I don’t think that most women are going to church thinking “let me get to service this morning, Pastor has a car note due”? And I am fully aware that the church is being run by board members. In a Pastor like CashFlo–I mean Creflo Dollars case, I find it curious that they would approve such an exorbidant salary for him, that he can afford a private jet, and YES while his parissoners are footing the bill!

    It is not my intent to throw EVERY Baptist church under the bus, peep my disclaimer “To be fair there are many pastors who devotedly deliver the word of God to their flock…”

    And we can simply agree to disagree on there being a fee…I think that many churches play on guilt, shame, and joyful melodies to lure money from the congregants–most of them being women.

    Thank you for your opinion. I appreciate the feedback (-_~)

  • http://stillhiphopmom.blogspot.com/ hiphopmommie

    I have thought about this for some time. I recently discussed this with a few friends, one being very involved in her church and one on the fence like me.
    This is one of the reasons I made an exit from my church. I thought my pastor was great, but I new some of the leaders in the church…..women who outside of church were just as evil as the so called sinners they were praying for in church.
    I don’t expect perfection, but such critical expectations of others when you are involved in egregious behavior… just doesn’t fly with me. Especially when I am tring to grow in the lord myself (amen).
    Being involved in church showed me a different side of church and it is a bit of a production like Broadway and that was hard for me because emotionally I thought I was really feeling the holy spirit and turns out it was orchestrated by the powers that be.

  • http://www.JayneDirt.com Jayne Dirt

    Pardon my typo…my comment was for a Non-Baptist.

  • Timcampi

    ” It’s so obviously formulaic, which is why I believe many men are absent from the church—because ‘game recognize game.’”

    Women are generally more religious than men. This goes across races and socioeconomic backgrounds. I may not be religious but please don’t offend those that are with your crude assumptions.

    But you right about one thing: Black women ARE being exploited by black churches. But women everywhere are exploited by dogma. Patriarchy and Religion tends to go hand in hand. It’s not surprising some pastors may feel the need to get comfy in the private lives of others. However, I have not been to a Baptist church like this. From the few times I’ve been forced to observe my mother’s faith I’ve witnessed nothing you described above. In fact, much of the services centered around talking to black men and getting them to attend church more, as well as take care of there kids, understand gay rights, and building equity for a sustainable future.

    But the Nigerian churches I’ve been to are a different story… it’s just everything @African Mami said, except add more women falling over, demon possessions, and cursing of generations.

  • http://www.mamiknowsbest.com BrooklynMami

    This is so true and sad. These single women wind up objectifying their ideal man either onto the pastor or the image of Jesus. It’s a good thing all of us aren’t hypnotized and caught up in this entanglement.

    It’s no wonder the brothers don’t want to go to church!

  • overseashoneybee

    Everyone walking around with a collar ain’t necessarily playin’ for the Lord’s team.I agree there are a good number of crooks out there rippin’ folks off but there are also just as many men and women of God on the frontlines truly tryin’ to do God’s work. The upkeep of any institution to, include a church, requires finances plain and simple. So if you are a member or just in the house to receive a word, its not too much to ask for a couple coins to help keep the lights on. Tithes or 10% is an obligation each time you get paid. In turn the ministry should also be in the position to help when you need a hand. It works both ways. Flipside … there is a balance between giving and being “got.” If I can’t see the fruit of my contributions (working lights, projects completed,etc.) then there’s a problem. Regardless God will honor your contribution and reward your faithfulness despite someone else’s foolishness.

  • Ms. Terious

    At first I wasn’t going to write about anything but I just have to. Okay, first I have to say that not all pastors are pimping their congregations. True, there are some that are balling out of control and their parishioners are broke and barely making it. However, that isn’t always the case. What I I honestly worry about are the pastors that demand time of their congregations. Pastors that require several offerings are money hungry. Pastors that require your time are controlling…and that begins the mindset of a cult leader. I was part of church that had Sunday worship, Wednesday night Bible study, Thursday night Bible school and Saturday events and when I told my Pastor I was moving, I was told…”No, the spirit told me to tell you no.” Crazy right…lets just say after that “I been done took off” (yes, I meant to say it like that)

    Anyway, the church has always been a strong foundation for black women. I wouldn’t necessarily say it fills all their needs but I can say that women (especially women of color) have a lot on their shoulders and going to church (regardless of where) helps them know that something, somewhere is looking out for them (i.e., God). Herein lies the problem though, usually the money hungry pastors are the most charismatic and they know what to say to women to get them to keep coming back to church. For example:

    God’s gonna bring you through, plant a seed (monetary) to show that you believe he’s gonna show up and show out.

    To me, (my opinion, so don’t jump on me about it) I think church is the opportunity for women to let go (fall out, cry, feel) because they spend the other 6 days a week trying to strong for their families and themselves. To those of you that have ever had a good cry at church, you know what I’m talking about. Anyway, that cathartic release is addictive. You WANT to feel refreshed. You WANT to feel supported.

    On another note, I don’t think its because “game recognize game” that men don’t fall for the pastors. I think its because “church” (generally speaking) appeals to the emotions more. Men that attend church freely (meaning, not being dragged their by women) are probably more in touch with their emotions than the average guy. Men can be persuaded by charismatic pastors too.

    Sorry this is so long ya’ll. In sum, I just want to say that its not that people are “being pimped”, its that they’re being persuaded.

  • Ms. Terious

    *trying to be strong for their families

    *not being dragged there by women

  • QON

    The only thing that is bashing black women is the constant stream of victimology talk. Its tired. Black women, as cognizant adults, decide to go to church. To take their time, money and NEEDS to their local religious/spiritual center. Thats the end of the story.

    Pimping/Whoring is a coercive relationship. There is no coercion going here. To describe it as such, even hyperbolically, is a disgrace.

    This article is rubbish!

  • Isis

    Um where did I say u said that? I said I agree with Q’s comment. So back off. Thanks

  • overseashoneybee

    As far as the black woman and church comments … as a black woman… God is indeed everything to me and in turn my church attendence reflects my attitude.That “worshipping at home” stuff will only get you so far. It’s kinda like saying I’m enrolled at so and so university but I never bother to show up for class to interact with the professor and any of the other students. There’s a balance and its up to me to maintenance my relationship with God with the tools I have available to me. Hypocrites, gossips and backbiters are everywhere … including on the job but how many of us are mad enough to quit over it. *crickets* Church is a place to seek God … not a husband, wife or anything else.

  • Timcampi

    their*

  • Isis

    Dam sftu go to a black church its filled with black women. Like the author said black women who are single with children who are struggling and Q hit the nail on the head with their comment and I agree. No one was bashing black women just speaking the truth.

  • Isis

    I knew folks were gonna take offense. 2 things u dont diss in front of black women : the Lord and His church and black men. They will cut u. Ughh carry on

  • Jazzy

    Church is indeed a business. The church I grew up in kind of turned me away from the idea of ever joining a church again, because it was based off these practices. Not only was there a building fund, mind you this church has been established well over 14 years but they are still in a storefront, there was also a birthday fund, pastor grooming fund, traveling fund etc. It’s makes it even worse when this church is ran by your uncle. This pastor used to actually make his congregation bring their pay stubs to church so he could determine what their tithe and offering should be. I could go on and on about the greedy practices of this church. I don’t believe that all pastors are pimps but my uncle was a P.I.M.P. And it saddens me that now since I’ve grown up and left and realized this for myself, those grown women, most of them who are struggling single mothers, still run around with off with their heads cut off to meet his every monetary demand. I do attend church to receive a good word from time to time, but I will NEVER EVER join a church again in my life. I will not be pimped.

  • QON

    @Jaybe Dirt

    “I think that many churches play on guilt, shame, and joyful melodies to lure money from the congregants–most of them being women.”

    There are a lot of women in the church already riddled with guilt and shame. Maybe that is why they are there in the first place.

  • InternationalGhettoGirl

    I have to agree with Jayne Dirt. I got to church to hear the word not to have my pockets picked dry. Even though it is a personal decision to give or not, when you don’t give you hear all the snide remarks and the funny stares. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t mind giving when I have it to give but what happens when my money runs short? Can I go to my pastor and look for a little finicial assitance? Or will he just offer me a prayer? And this is NOT just a black church thang either…

  • QON

    “But you right about one thing: Black women ARE being exploited by black churches. But women everywhere are exploited by dogma. Patriarchy and Religion tends to go hand in hand.”

    Oh dear. More hollow slogans and buzzwords about patriarchy and the exploitation of the black woman- the mule of the world. Yawn. Can you please explain, without being obtuse, exactly how black women are being exploited by the church? Black women can vote with their wallets and their feet. You may not value what black women get out of the church but apparently they do.

    Besides youre the only one being dogmatic here, presuming you know what’s best for these black women by virtue of having spent your formative years in the gender studies echo chamber.

  • A non-Baptist

    uhm…i didn’t read it of course… it’s a stupid assumption much like one the article is based on. Come one thinkers….

  • B

    “the churcin is NOT everything to MOST black women. Maybe around your circles, but once you step out that box then you might see.” Right! I am 27 years old, and I have set foot in a church only twice since I was 18 years old (other than for funerals and weddings). I have no interest. As a full time law student with classes and career preparation (among other things) to preoccupy my time, I find that sitting up in a church and/or praying to an invisible deity is a waste of my time.

    I don’t knock anyone else’s beliefs (I understand people’s need for religion), but just to destabilize the stereotype: black women are not all churchgoing. And most of my other black female friends who do go to church go rarely: church is not everything for them. This church is everything for black women: that is a broad generalization, and I believe may be age and social class specific.

  • A non-Baptist

    Why give a disclaimer if you open up the article with ” You can go to any Baptist church, on any given Sunday, and find the pews filled with throes of Black women shouting hallelujahs and amens to the high heavens in support of their Pimp”? Why not say…SOME churches or Creflo Dollar’s church?

    I don’t think you give people much credit at all…lets say i do go to Creflo Dollar’s church, i know about the private jet’s in place, the salary in place, and the collection of monies. Is it not my choice to throw a dollar in the bucket? Join? Contribute? If you don’t agree with the policies in place…don’t participate! It is, in fact, quite simple. You are not forced to attend every sunday to give based on guilt!

    Benevolent offerings are collected for the needy. As a member, you can ask the church for assistance. Now to say all churches do it the right way would be wrong, and to say no churches do this is just as wrong. If they are not following a structure you approve of at one church, find another church that does.

  • B

    @Timcampi: “Black women ARE being exploited by black churches. But women everywhere are exploited by dogma. Patriarchy and Religion tends to go hand in hand.” You hit the nail on the head! Besides having other stuff to do with my time, this is one of the main reasons I lost interest in religion. Furthermore, the beauty of this earth and life is enough in itself without having to box it into a religion (not to be all new age, but this is just my opinion).

    But like I said above, I understand people’s need for religion: it gives one a format through which to understand this world. That’s something we all need, I suppose. Even if I don’t agree with religion as a format through which to understand the world, I have no desire to try to change people’s minds…because ultimately you can’t change anyone’s mind. Life is too short: so, as far as religion is concerned, folks should do whatever works for them, as long as they’re not harming and suppressing anyone else’s right to believe whatever.

  • Rastaman

    I not so long ago shared much of the author’s view about the “Pimps” in the pulpit but having attended some of these services on a few occasion, I have had no choice but to alter my viewpoint. The last time I attended such a service accompanying my mother, I came to realize that the congregation was comprised of people there for a variety of reasons. Some are in fact there for salvation; others to evaluate their faith; others for fellowship and to get their spirit uplifted and too many reasons to name. Are they been exploited?

    In many ways yes but also no because they are really paying the cost of services rendered, others may just not agree with the price being paid. I analogize it to me being a fervent club -goer in the past, it was how I unwound, socialized and had fun. I could do the same thing at home for much less of course: drinking, music or dancing but many times I paid excessive cover charges, bought overpriced drinks which ended up in the paying the luxury car bill of the club owner or promoter. My cost is often advertised and I am not pressed to spend more than I can afford, if I so choose.

    There are some other folks who sneer at both myself and the churchgoers but spend their money in therapy: retail or psychiatric. I found that my real problem with the church was not what it offered to its patrons but how it elevated itself as if it was offering something superior to the club or the psychiatrist. This has also allowed the pastors to shield themselves from the liability of the unsatisfied patron when the service does not fill the need.

  • guest

    +1
    the best response here.

  • guest

    just because you had a horrible experience in one church doesn’t mean that all churches are that way. if your church is like the ones described in this post, FIND A NEW CHURCH! it really is not that serious. you go to church to connect with, pray to, and worship God. that’s it. everything else is just extra. end of story. if you go to church for other purposes, you WILL be disappointed, because the church is filled with other human beings with faults and fallacies of their own that they may or may not be trying to work through, INCLUDING the pastor. people kill me with this crap. use the brain God gave you, for goodness sake.

  • Timcampi

    @QON

    “Oh dear. More hollow slogans and buzzwords about patriarchy and the exploitation of the black woman- the mule of the world. ”

    Did you read the sentences you quoted? Black WOMEN ARE NOT THE MULE OF THE WORLD. WOMEN ARE.If I’m wrong about that please give me statistics that say such. Prove me wrong thoroughly.

    ” You may not value what black women get out of the church but apparently they do.”

    No sh*t, which is why most of what I wrote was in defense of those that ARE religious. Or did you just skip over that so you can conveniently list me under the hateful, woefully misunderstood Atheist? I’ve tried five different religions. I’ve got a Qu’ran, a Bible, a Torah, the Four Vedas, and some Marxist books. I understand the power of spirituality and how it is misinterpreted by its followers and preachers alike. Which is my main quip with religion: it is often an incomplete and biased view that favors the person whose mind it comes from. Which often times IS A MAN. Oh and Religion and Faith are two different things. Maybe you should look that up before your mind gets blown.

    “Besides youre the only one being dogmatic here, presuming you know what’s best for these black women by virtue of having spent your formative years in the gender studies echo chamber.”

    Oh my bad, because messengers every major religion out there doesn’t have a way of reducing the sexuality and power of women? Because every major religion doesn’t have rigid rules concerning gender and deviance? Can you point to me where Christian common teachings disdain for harlotry/sexual promiscuity isn’t righteously covered?

    Or Islam? Or Judaism?

    Because those who are ‘anti-choice’ totes aren’t bringing out their Bible. Republican Conservatives aren’t shouting God’s name from the roof tops! Because women in Saudi Arabia are being denied basic human rights totes because they’re simply inferior. Because Zionist Jews aren’t trying to limit the exposure of women! And certainly not because governments use religion to control the minds of people. That’s certainly NEVER happened. Oh golly, you’re so right! That’s why the most destitute countries and states are all theocracies where women are less educated about their bodies than strife! GOLD STAR. GOLD STAR.

    Religion is the most common scapegoat. Studies have even shown that the more dominated a person is by their religion, the less educated and well off they are. Oh and since you’re apparently unable to comprehend the truth: Faith and Religion are two different things. People like you are just borderline retarded. You want to make a feminist out of anyone who simply knows the truth and sweep the issue under the rug. I’m egalitarian baby don’t ever forget that. Believe it or not, men are also effected by these harsh rules. Homosexual men in particular. However, a patriarchy doesn’t work towards the benefit of homosexual men does it?

    Seriously, I never said black women didn’t have the freedom to go to church. Of course they do! Just like women who practice Islam have the freedom from it. Oh wait, but if you believe in God and don’t subject yourself to the whim of prophets/pastors/priests you’re going to some sort of everlasting damnation. So I wouldn’t call that freedom. Not even slightly. You make it sound that people have the choice to believe in God or don’t. For someone who seems to want to defend the religious, you have no clue how it really works. Simply NOT believing in God isn’t a choice for many of these people because for them God is REAL.

    Anyway I still stand by this: Religion is doctrinaire. Faith is a choice.

  • July

    THANK YOU. This is why I love Clutch! I’ve seen “Pastor” ride around in a BMW and sleep with ladies in the church. All of it is a joke to me and I wish Black women would be more discerning about their participation in these institutions.

  • Timcampi

    @B

    To me Religion is utterly useless in the day and age. But Faith and Spirituality are completely necessary. Religion is the daily practice and observation of a doctrine. Many of today’s issues conflict with those archaic teachings and ‘religious’ people have adapted their FAITH in order to cope with the change. So basically it’s no longer the same religion if you have to change ‘God’s word’. More and more people are relying on their own personal beliefs and faith. Anyway. Haha, I’m not sure if I made sense o___o. Moving on!

    One’s definition of God should never be defined by someone else’s practice in my opinion. I’m not sure if that makes sense… but that’s pretty much why I find church to be unnecessary for the spiritual. HOWEVER, it’d be foolish to deny that Religion can work towards the better! Especially tolerant communities. My mum’s church is the perfect example. I love my mom’s church. I never hear them describe themselves as religious. Just ‘People of Faith’. Idk if I’m making sense so I will stop there.

  • B

    Timcampi, co-sign 100%. Especially this: “One’s definition of God should never be defined by someone else’s practice in my opinion.” I have always believed that, since I was a teenager. Religion can definitely work toward the better though: the history of the African-American struggle and our ancestors’ ability to make it through slavery is proof of that, imo. Without religion, we might not have the MLKs of this world.

    But, like you, I’m over it.

    p.s. not sure how you’re defining “faith,” but I do believe spirituality and faith in one self and in the power of love for one’s fellow human beings is absolutely essential to our survival.

  • Keychee

    “At first I wasn’t going to write about anything but I just have to. Okay, first I have to say that not all pastors are pimping their congregations. True, there are some that are balling out of control and their parishioners are broke and barely making it. However, that isn’t always the case.”

    I could not have said it any better.

  • http://godmenandmoney.com CKay @ godmenandmoney.com

    I honestly don’t even know where or how to start with this one….

    There were a lot of generations and not a lot of in-depth talk about what’s really going on.

    Sure, there are ‘pulpit pimps’ out there, but one must understand that the church doesn’t run on it’s own. The boiler doesn’t fix itself. The pastor can’t pay himself (b/c most of the time he’s too busy being counselor, daddy, moma, lawyer to the flock). Also, it’s not like God is raining down $$dollar$$ manna from heaven. At times there is an exchange (or ROI) as you put it…the congregants get a word, some hope, some inspiration, and hopefully plant justice and peace and their communities.

    Whew,
    Signed (a current seminarian)

  • ok there…

    Make that 2!

  • Keychee

    I agree with some of the comments here, mainly those that go against the article/opinion of Jayne Dirt. It is important to note that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I am a Christian and I know personally their are some churches that do represent the body of Christ well, and their are other churches that do not. This is no different than how we as people have some good apples and bad apples within each of our cultures.

    I guess this article would go over a little easier for me if all bapist churches and black women who attend those churches were not grouped together as if we are all the same. While their may be similarities, differences will always be present and it is important to recognize that.

  • Jaslene

    She didn’t say all churches your going off and it seems as though you didn’t read the last two paragraphs. Calm down.

  • hehe

    @B

    “Religion can definitely work toward the better though: the history of the African-American struggle and our ancestors’ ability to make it through slavery is proof of that, imo. Without religion, we might not have the MLKs of this world.”

    Are you saying that religion got our ancestors through slavery? To me religion is the reason why they became complacent throughout slavery. I believe slaves would be better off without Religion (Christianity). I agree that religion is the reason why MLK rose to power but this was done in part because of the belief that men lead the flock and women of the struggle barely got the recognition they deserve. Also because of religion people like Bayard Rustin did not get credit for his involvement in the movement because of his sexuality.

  • QON

    @Timcampi

    “Black WOMEN ARE NOT THE MULE OF THE WORLD. WOMEN ARE.If I’m wrong about that please give me statistics that say such. ”

    Yes, women are the mules of the world while men are the cannon fodder. The upside to being a mule is there is a reason to kept you around where as, if you are cannon fodder…

    Ok, I will give you stats that women are the mules of the world while you give me stats that Santa Clause doesnt exist.

    The rest of what you wrote is completely and embarrassingly off topic. Go brandish your Feminist cliff notes some place else.

  • QON

    You cant diss black men in front of black women? No, black women perfected dissing black men. “Niggas aint shit” didnt come from whitey.

  • QON

    Black women nee to stop sleeping with the Pastor. Seriously, man sharing of the Alpha male is how black women become diseased.

  • bosslady

    I loved the article, very thought-provoking. Well done!! I love to read articles which go beyond “man problems,” (although everything has it’s just place). With regards to the article, I shall (try) not comment too much. I agree that this does apply to a lot of churches (unfortunately), of course not all. I go to a non-denominiational, multi-cultural church where I am being fed spiritually. May main objective for going to church is to grow closer to God, honor and please God and try and live a life full of love and compassion (as God is indeed Love). I do feel a lot of these single black women who attend church 5 days a week waiting for Mr. Right to fall in their lap from the alter need to get out and SOCIALIZE!! I am involved in my church, but it does not negate from my life outside of church, my church encourages us to live full lives inside and outside of church. I don’t think anyone should take offense to the authors article she is merely addressing something that indeed is true in some churches. I don’t agree with your “game recognizes game” opinion as to why men don’t attend church though, I just feel as others have stated men are not as emotional and feel they are self-sufficient without the need of a higher power.

  • Timcampi

    Lol. You’re awesomely self-righteous. I promise to never interact with you again :D

    Tchau!

  • Isis

    I didnt say all thank u very much.

  • http://cupofjo-jo.blogspot.com bk chick

    I can’t speak on the details of the black church, because I was raised catholic and do not even attend that church, but from the outside looking in I can understand many of the claims made in the article.

    I worked in a church once as a hip hop dance teacher. I was playing some r&b song by Aaliyah and one of the “sisters” came up to me and asked me if I was playing secular music and if I was I should only play gospel because it disrupts her spiritual frame of mind. She said secular music was filled with vile hateful lyrics that disrespected women and men. I remember thinking to myself…the Bible is wayyy more misogynistic than any rap song I heard. When the creation story starts off by saying the woman (Eve) basically ruined all mankind by giving into temptation, your pretty much viewing that seed that has sprouted patriarchy in America, and that enables for “secular” music to be laced with anti-women lyrics. That was when I realized it was a wrap for me and Christianity (and any other organized religion as well). However, I respect people’s drive to be religious because it’s the way in which we understand our world, cuz, basically no one knows what really happens when we die. But, when you think you know, then it makes the world an easier place to live in.

    That being said its a shame that some people, regardless of institution, take advantage of others just to profit or have some kind of “fame”. In my opinion, no one knows anything more than I do about the other “Realm”. Not the Pope, not a priest, pastor or whoever. These people are just experts at the study of theology, nothing more nothing less. Without proof we all choose to believe what we want but at the end of the day the church as an organization is very susceptible of corruption because faith is a stronger force than actual concrete truth.

  • July

    No one is disputing that a church needs the money to operate. You missed the point that people are against the Pastor being the only one benefitting from the offering basket. Not all churches are like that, but sadly a lot are.

    In my opinion: The “tradeoff” isn’t equal.

  • July

    I agree but I also want to add that the blame is on both sides. The predator pastor is just as wrong as the grown women reciprocating his advances.

  • Isis

    I didnt say ALL so if ur not included in the most stfu and sit down. Thanks :)

  • chanela

    i remember i went to this church once and the pastor was yelling because people werent putting 20s and 50s in the collection plate. ” i know ya’ll just got paid on friday! shame on you for buying tvs and cars instead of putting money into the church! we got rent to pay! i need to see some 20s 50s and 100s! im tired of seein only 1s and 5s in there. shame on you all! god dont like that”

    i cringed and wanted to leave soo bad cause i can’t believe this was happening! he literally did that then started praying then started going up to people and saying ” i see those shoes you got on! you can afford to give $20 to the church” ” those earrings look expensive. shame on you! go ahead and put a couple 20s in that plate sista!”

    SHAME!

  • chanela

    oh! this lady was selling teddy bears in the parking lot with her son who is a cancer patient. she explained that her church used her child’s picture and was running a charity to get him treatment for his cancer. they raised over $30,ooo and then the pastor ran off to mexico with the money. she didnt even know they were raising money for her son or using his picture. that is the most fucked up thing i’ve ever heard. so yes i definitely believe that most of these pastors are pimps. this is why i don’t go to church! i don’t trust them. i just believe in god and read the bible for myself on my own time.

    these are the sort of christian people that make ALL christians look bad.

  • BeautyIAM

    “i didn’t read it of course”

    You say that as if its standard practice to make a comment on something you didn’t bother reading.

    Then honestly A non-Baptist, how do you even have an opinion on something you haven’t read? Because if you did you would have actually been able to ask questions that related to what was said. I’m not going to bother saying anything else because its seems like you are more than willing to stick to your opinion rather than hear anything else.

    I really don’t know how authors on this site and other site do it. To have readers comment on something they haven’t even read and be okay with it. How annoying.

  • BeautyIAM

    LOL! Yes, I have definitely noticed that.

  • July

    @Chanela

    I’ve seen this happen before too. Passed it around 3 times. I was a little girl and I felt guilty and gave my dollar that my Uncle gave me for ice cream.

    I think Jesus would have wanted me to have that ice cream now. (lol)

  • lala

    Amen! You have articullated exactly what has been on my mind for a very long time. Its shamefull how much these women give and how little they get in return. WAKE UP! Best article by far this stuff needs to be written about more.

  • B

    “Are you saying that religion got our ancestors through slavery? To me religion is the reason why they became complacent throughout slavery. I believe slaves would be better off without Religion (Christianity).” I’m saying religion played a significant role in it. For instance, the underground railroad operated as it did because of the work of Tubman, but also Quaker whites and black slave ministers who spread the word about it (in code of course) to their congregants. I agree that religion (Christianity) made us complacent, and who knows how we would have handled slavery differently had we not absorbed the Europeans’ religion. But despite how much it suppressed us, we were in many ways able to use it to aid our freedom and to galvanize one another to fight.

    “but this was done in part because of the belief that men lead the flock and women of the struggle barely got the recognition they deserve. Also because of religion people like Bayard Rustin did not get credit for his involvement in the movement because of his sexuality.” Most definitely! That – that ingrained sexism and misogyny – is exactly why religion can only get us so far on the road to freedom: it is why, as Timcampi implied, it’s time to recognize that religion is rather obsolete. We need to find new formats through which to understand this world, other formats that we can utilize in our freedom struggles. I agree with your criticism of the Civil Rights movement completely. Little credit or attention was given to the women and others who played vital roles (other than Rosa Parks)..

    So, I dig you. I am not in disagreement with your point at all, in fact. Also, I should add that I did not mean ONLY Christianity when I referred to religion (I was also thinking of the residual African religious ideas and spiritual beliefs of our ancestors).

  • lala

    Preach to many women and men have been suffered under the hands of “RELIGION”

  • Pilot

    “When did Pastors start calling themselves ‘Bishop’ anyway?”

    Tell the truth! What is that “Bishop” stuff all about, anyway? It’s like having a little carpet-cleaning company with only 3 people working there, and introducing one of the people as the “Vice-President of Sales”.

  • Whatever

    “Lastly, a pastor is just like us-human. Stop putting them on pedestals for they also fall short of the glory of God! Treat them like human, not superhuman.”

    EXACTLY!

  • TheBestAnonEver, Part 2

    I like my church and I like my pastor. He is a wonderful speaker and his messages are always on point. He had a sermon on environmentalism not to long ago. I have never felt compelled to give more than I wanted to, but I have no problems supporting a church I attend quite regularly. The church needs money to maintain itself and do great work in the community.

    I think those of us that love the peace and fellowship that come from regular church service should continue to enjoy it without the need to justify it and those that don’t, should do whatever activities they want without getting up in arms about how SOMEONE ELSE spends their Sunday morning.

  • Yasmiene

    So when everyone stops getting “pimped” and keeps their money who then pays the church light bill. These same women that u speak of also support Macy’s, Foot locker, Olive Garden, Mickey Dees and whomever else but that’s okay.

    I would never sit here and quote scriptures to people who don’t live under that law, so a simpler logical leads me to ask then who keeps the rent paid?

  • TheBestAnonEver, Part 2

    Oh please Jaslene! That second to the last paragraph is idiotic. If I give money to charity what is my ROI? Giving offering to the church is tantamount to giving money to a charity/non-profit.

  • Simone

    Wake up sistahs and leave the church. It is the biggest preditor of Black women today.

  • TheBestAnonEver, Part 2

    Timcampi: The Nigerian churches are filled with married women! It goes like this – get married, get super-duper religious. Since there is no Single Black Woman (TM) to bash, which of their needs are being met there?

  • http://@clnmike Clnmike

    This was not a well thought out article. Despite the “disclaimers” the author had a clear agenda of labeling black churches and male pastors as a con game cause apparently black women are too stupid to “recognize game” and just say no. What ever church you went to that screwed you over was YOUR church. You dont like the services provided? Find another church. Dont want to kick in on the offering? Stay home. You got a problem with a pastor or a church? THAN NAME THE PASTOR AND CHURCH. It aint that hard.

  • Amber J

    Thank you for eloquently summing up why I don’t belong to any organized religion. I do not tolerate misogyny or homophobia so putting faith in a religion that holds those views just a’int for me.

  • Fox

    Maybe if people really worshiped God instead of the pastors, the bad ones would not get away with what they do.

    If God is truly first, then many of these pastors/bishops/prophetesses/evangelists would have gotten called out when they act a fool.

  • http://knowledgeoftoday.blogspot.com/ truth seeker

    People ask for the truth, but when the truth is revealed it is considered insane or crazy? remember how they crucified and mocked Jesus Christ for the same reason…
    but the facts ARE given in the Revelation letter. It talks about everything that is happening TODAY

  • Nne

    I second the above, in fact +1

  • Michelle

    Make that 3! I couldn’t have said it better!

  • bison88

    A bishop is like a overseer of other churches , basically he mentors other pastors ( he/she are much older and been in ministry longer then those pastors)

  • me

    There are definitely some churches where pastors seem to only dwell on money; but as a Christian yes, I pay my tithes and my offerings religiously (no pun intended). The ROI is the fact that my Heavenly Father continues to provide ALL of my needs. When you sow a seed you must sow it with FAITH! However not to say there are not false prophets, preachers and teachers.. but they must be judged by the fruits of the Spirit and through the leading of the Holy Spirit. For those of you who are not Christians (NOT THOSE WHO SIMPLY FOLLOW RELIGION BUT THOSE IN ACTUAL FELLOWSHIP WITH GOD) it might seem like foolishness but I digress.

    But people who aren’t spiritual can’t receive these truths from God’s Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can’t understand it, for only those who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means. 1 Cor 2:14 (NLT)

  • apple

    god is not in the church..him and his son left a long time ago

  • damidwif

    @qon i dont disagree w your 2nd comment. actually, i didnt disagree w your first comment. maybe you should reread what i wrote.

  • damidwif

    “objectifying their ideal man either onto the pastor or the image of Jesus.”

    very interesting

  • damidwif

    great comment

  • damidwif

    “.That “worshipping at home” stuff will only get you so far. It’s kinda like saying I’m enrolled at so and so university but I never bother to show up for class to interact with the professor and any of the other students”

    um, not really. that isnt a good parallel. and people learn in their own ways. when getting your education thru something/ someone, there is always a lens applied first.

  • damidwif

    what a peaceful exchange right here without all the have a seats and stfu and bitch please. what is up with people on this site, are they teenagers?

  • damidwif

    “There are some other folks who sneer at both myself and the churchgoers but spend their money in therapy: retail or psychiatric. I found that my real problem with the church was not what it offered to its patrons but how it elevated itself as if it was offering something superior to the club or the psychiatrist. This has also allowed the pastors to shield themselves from the liability of the unsatisfied patron when the service does not fill the need.”

    that was a jewel.

    different strokes for differnt folks,

  • Tami

    I must say this article was very interesting. The church I go to, though, doesn’t pass around the collection plate 2 or 3 times. It is taken up 1 time & I truly believe that the church is doing the right thing with the money. Members can also open up the books to see how our tithe money is being spent. I like the author’s statement regarding why men don’t attend church, Game recognizes Game….Love it! I am not religious, spiritual more like it. Nor do I believe that most pastors are pimps…However, women need to be made aware of those who are.

  • Shirl

    The last time I went to church the sermon was about the need to rip the foreskin off of our souls and circumcise our hearts. Everytime the pastor said that (and he kept saying it) I got the giggles and eventually had to leave.

  • SAA

    LMAO!! 3 times though?? Does this seriously happen?! Like bk chick I was raised Catholic so I’ve never seen the above ever transpire but I can see how the author came to the conclusion she did.
    @July- I’m sorry for your loss but I couldn’t help but lol when I read your comment, too cute!! Go buy yourself a tub of Ben & Jerry’s when you get off work today!

  • http://sodivinemagazine.com/blog/ Shenelle

    @ CInmike, well said. Thank you. No need for me to further comment.

  • Trini

    “But with all due respect, how can you pull up in the top of range cars, while 99% of your congregation can barely make their car payments, let alone afford one?!”

    Very few things burn me up more! I cannot STAND to see that! I have no idea how they sleep at night!

  • July

    @SAA Will do. :)

    All jokes aside, this practice happens in churches more than it should. My Mom raised me alone and never had much money when I was growing up. She often was the person with no gas money and had a hard time making rent every month. This practice was embarrassing to us (and we stopped going to this church after awhile).

    It made me sick how the Pastor and “First Lady” talked about how we should give more. They came dressed to a T with nice suits and fancy hats while my mother was struggling. But I guess it was a sign they were “blessed” SMH.

    On another note, “The First Lady” aka the wife of the pastor used to pull women aside and tell them they should dress in long skirts (basically so her husband won’t be looking). #WheretheydothatAt?. But The First Lady is a whole other story…(take note Clutch)

  • B

    @damidwif, I agree: all the “stfu” responses and such are a sad indication of the personalities of some of the commenters on this site. But I give teenagers more credit: many teenagers have more tact and are more open-minded than some of the e-personalities exhibited here at times. Such comments make it virtually impossible to have peaceful dialogue because either you get a nasty/rude response to your comment or someone simply makes a nasty/rude (anit-gay, anti-woman, etc.) response to the articles. I think some folks just like attention, so nowadays I often avoid even engaging such commenters. (Btw: Clutch did have a nice little article, which I appreciated, this week about how to deal with such e-thuggin.)

  • July

    @Clnmike

    not ALL Black churches are like this. Unfortunately many are. The “go find another church if you’re unhappy” argument completely excuses the fact that this practice happens in many Blk churches. We are talking about systematic issues here so naming a SINGLE church isn’t helpful.

  • Timcampi

    @damidwif

    Heeeyy! I’m a teenager. It’s okay though, I get what you mean.

  • Angie

    I’m with you, July. I was that person who went to another church because I was unhappy and guess what? Five churches later, I found that I kept running into the same thing. Hence the reason I do not go to any church at all now.

  • BeautyIAM

    You, nor the others that are disagreeing with the article are getting it. Its not about a church screwing someone over. Its really sad how dismissive you are being.

    I have not had any bad experiences in a black church (I have only been to one). However, I have been hearing about other women that have had bad experiences. And just because you and other people don’t want to hear it, doesn’t mean people don’t have a right to talk about it. Why are you being so dismissive of something that is hurting other people?

    Its shameful for someone to take advantage of others who are entrusting you. People put a lot of trust in their pastors. And there in lies the problem. You have pastors that claim to be all about the Lord, but ARE NOT. From what I am hearing, you have pastors who DEMAND money from their congregants. You have pastors that are STEALING money from the congregants for their own personal gain. You have pastors sleeping with different women in the church. You have the wife of a pastor that is walking in church with all these material goods most of the congregants in the church cannot afford.

    You have congregants giving their money that they may need for rent as tithes that believe is being given to the Lord. But the money is being used frivolously.

    chanela just gave a perfect example of what some pastors are doing. Why are so many of you willing to ignore that????????

    I just don’t get it. People really need to call out these “pastors” (AND NO ONE IS SAYING ALL) for who they really are.

    Its about time black people wake up.

  • Logic

    Co-sign!!!!

  • fancypants

    Well said! And your ROI doesn’t always have to be financial. My ROI is spiritual security, peace that surpasses all understanding and unspeakable joy in the time of trouble. And my needs are taken care of! I’ll take that over an abundance of money any day. There are plenty of rich people who are paranoid and can’t get a moment of peace.

    I’m always facinated by comments about pastors with a lot of money. There are some crooks and their day of judgment is coming, but some write books and have their own careers outside of the church. Did anyone ever stop to think that’s where they get their money? If you put your time, own money and words into your book then you deserve to get as rich as any other secular person would.

  • http://@clnmike Clnmike

    @July,

    The ‘go find another church if you’re unhappy’ argument does not excuse the fact that this practice happens in many Blk churches. It is a stance against a church you feel doesn’t live up to your standards and naming the church and why you have a problem with it gets the word out and starts a change. What does nothing is getting up here and saying that black churches have problems and that’s why you don’t go, but I don’t have the stones to name these hypocrites and why there hypocrites so I am going to let them keep operating. But I am going to try to rain on your holy day.

    @Angie

    “Five churches later, I found that I kept running into the same thing. Hence the reason I do not go to any church at all now.”

    Well there is your solution, if you cant find one than don’t go to one.

    @BeautyIAM

    “However, I have been hearing about other women that have had bad experiences. And just because you and other people don’t want to hear it, doesn’t mean people don’t have a right to talk about it”

    Thats where you are wrong we DO want to hear about it, we want it put on blast every time a crooked pastor or church does something wrong that way we can stay away. What no one wants to hear is a generalization of black churches based on someone else’s messed up experience. Cause as you pointed out the writer and those women experiences were not yours. And those women have to hold themselves responsible for not being aware. Nobody dragged them to church and stuck a gun to their head and said cough over your money. You have faith in God, man is supposed to earn your trust. If you see something wrong than say it, hell report it to the IRS, do not feed into it but if choose to stick around than that’s on you.

    “chanela just gave a perfect example of what some pastors are doing. Why are so many of you willing to ignore that????????”

    Chanela needs to report that to the police first not us, she ignored it. And the actions of that pastor is not a standard of all black churches or pastors.

    ” People really need to call out these “pastors” (AND NO ONE IS SAYING ALL) for who they really are.”

    Exactly including this writer who did label all black churches that way.

  • au napptural

    This article is the truth and the light, that’s why so many people are mad! I was in the church my whole life. My dad’s a minister and my mom is a deaconess, and most of my family is involved in one way or another. I can say with certainty many people in the church are faithful, trying to live right, all that good stuff. But as for the leadership of the church 9 times of out 10, pond scum.

    I’ve visited over 100 churches in my life, been a member of 2, and good friends with members of a dozens more. I can probably name 10 that haven’t had a sex or money scandal. And maybe not even 10. Yea, if it is one church that has a problem, maybe it is the people in that church. But when it is a consistent issue, no matter the city, state, country, denomination, etc. the problem is the system.

    The church’s organization, and I mean all Christian churches from Baptist to A.M.E. to Catholic (yes, I know someone is going to say they aren’t Christians, but where did the Protestant church come from? Exactly), gives the leaders to much power.

    You have to follow what the “man of God” says no matter what. And if you are in a Black Baptist church it’s damn near impossible to get rid of your pastor anyways. And if you do, just like when some of Eddie Long’s members left him, the other minister will band together and say “oh, he’s only human, he’s still your God-appointed leader.” GTFOHWTBS! I’m supposed to let my wallet and psyche be abused because some fool thinks God called him? Child please.

    If the person is doing a whole bunch of bs that has nothing to do with God, chances are they aren’t from God. I mean, how much does someone have to sin nowadays before we can call a spade a spade?

  • July

    @Clnmike

    People do need to vote with their feet. The purpose of the article wasn’t to create a database of “bad” churches. Besides, this is a blog read across the globe. It’s not reasonable that say, “I had a bad experience at 1st baptist in Ohio” and expect that’s going to change anything.

  • http://@clnmike Clnmike

    @July

    ” The purpose of the article wasn’t to create a database of “bad” churches.”

    Than the article had no purpose if it offered no solution.

    “It’s not reasonable that say, “I had a bad experience at 1st baptist in Ohio” and expect that’s going to change anything.”

    It wont change anything if you don’t say anything, you stance falls right under “stop snitching”.

    Go ask those boys who got touched up by the former coach of Penn St. what they think about that idea.

  • July

    @Clnmike

    Maybe you missed the part of the article where it encouraged women to stop giving money to “pimps”?

    Also, your response makes it sound like I turn a blind eye to the church and stay silent when this stuff goes on and that is completely untrue. Quite the contrary. I’m vocal about this in my community and don’t attend church (for this among other reason). I’m saying that your assertion that the author should name names is ridiculous and overlooks the other ways people hope to change this problem.

    So your use of “stop snitching” and comparison to the Penn State scandal is unfair and takes all this to the logical extreme.

  • Ref

    QON- 1 Timcampi- 0

    I agree with QON. Now if you had just added a NeNe Leakes “BLOOP” (just for dramatic effect, of course) at the end of your comment, I would have given you an extra point.

    @Timcampi- the feminist rhetoric is getting old.

  • bLACKLOTUS

    Black men don’t want to be univerally thought of as criminals and Black women with any bit of sense do not want to be herded into the mentality of those “sisters” seen on Reality TV. Why stereotype pastors?

    There are very good men of good who are modest and those who make a living off of their good works. Sorry that some of you don’t know any.

    Every profession has its slimebags. I work in the legal and financial industry and those worlds are riddled with them. I know one when I see one.

    Oh, and yeah, stop thinking all Blacks are Baptist: I was raised Methodist and I am now a Catholic (by marriage). I know people who are Holiness, COGIC, Buddhists, Muslims, etc.

  • B

    Preach! As they say, the truth will piss you off, and then it’ll set you free. The article was right on point. And your comment: “But when it is a consistent issue, no matter the city, state, country, denomination, etc. the problem is the system.” Exactly. The system is broken – probably always was.

    (On a tangent but just to provide a parallel example: this is the same thing many of us are recognizing about the police system. It is corrupt across the country, people being brutalized and racially targeted by cops no matter the city, meaning the problem is not individual cops, but the entire law enforcement system. The system fosters, encourages, and produces the egregious behavior of these individual cops.).

    We always, in the U.S., like to see our big problems (race discrimination, gender discrimination, etc.) as problems of individual people rather than admit that these problems are systemic. If pastors are doing this ish across the board (and they are), from place to place, then the problem stems not just from those individual pastors but from the system that fosters and encourages said behavior (and furthermore protects such individuals from penalty). But, alas, the truth stings.

  • Andrea

    I think this whole article is offensive. I understand the point you’re trying to make – and it somewhat makes sense – but your tone is extremely terrible.

    I agree with the “entry fee” comment. The church shouldn’t be asking for money at every little function. My church only takes up money during service on Sunday, and still, no one is forcing you to do it.

    I know there is a valid point somewhere in this article, but I just couldn’t get passed the condescending tone. eh…

  • lucy lady

    It seems as if the author has little biblically understanding of tithes, offerings or gifts. The 10% is demanded by God, not by men. We place our tithe where we deem it fit for the Lord’s use. For instance, donations to World Health Organization, or a local food bank, or oftentimes a church. Tithes, 10% of all your income is an acknowledgment to God, that all your increase (financial, spiritual, emotional, physical and mental) comes from God, and part of what you receive should be given to God (theoretically) to God’s work.

    If you suspect that your church is not dealing wisely with oyur tithe, then find a place of worship that will do right by it. The answer is not to negate a biblical principle, because someone is abusing it.

  • BeautyIAM

    Andrea, I think you may be finding it condescending because you think it is relating YOUR CHURCH.

    “My church only takes up money during service on Sunday, and still, no one is forcing you to do it.”

    If your church is not doing this, then this article is NOT about you or your church. I think its important that people that are going to a church like the article is stating should speak up.

    “I know there is a valid point somewhere in this article”

    Okay, I definitely know you are getting it, I think you have to not think that this article pertains to YOUR CHURCH.

    I’m wondering if people are completely ignoring this part of the article.

    “To be fair there are many pastors who devotedly deliver the word of God to their flock, but don’t be duped by some of these pimps in pin striped suits proclaiming to be men of the cloth, while simultaneously playing off of your vulnerabilities to line their pockets with money. Pay yourself first!”

  • The Black Bot

    “The Old Testament doesn’t count any more, except that part about giving me 10% of your income. God still means that.”

    Christians are so gullible.

  • http://@clnmike Clnmike

    What other ways? You see something wrong you say it, you keep quiet than you condone it’s simple as that.

  • http://@clnmike Clnmike

    This is the opening of the article.

    “You can go to any Baptist church, on any given Sunday, and find the pews filled with throes of Black women shouting hallelujahs and amens to the high heavens in support of their Pimp”

    ” It’s so obviously formulaic, which is why I believe many men are absent from the church—because ‘game recognize game.’”

    These are generalizations, you dont spit this out than try to reel it back later to make it feel better. The author spoke her mind the first time.

  • bLACKLOTUS

    I made the mistake of reading comments here and once again, I am upset.

    Many of you remind me of all the Oprah and Obama detractors that call their fans/supporters “sheeple”. Being Christian does not mean that one cannot THINK for oneself.

    Again, just like every man isn’t a rapist, every church and every minister is NOT out to get us. Some of us, many of us even, can see a swindle coming.

    As one sister here put it, tithing is a biblical principle.

    For the smart*ss that said “everything in the Old Testament doesn’t count, except for tithes”, please try and develop DEPTH in your understanding of life issues. Why do you think people debate the Constitution or the Qu’ran ad infinitum? The Bible in its entirety is a complex work…mostly spiritual but with beliefs of the times and shaped politically, yes. That does not negate it as a whole or its main message, any more than the U.S. Constitution is negated by the many ways it can be interpreted.

    As for “B”s assertion that the problem is systemic, well, not really. I felt as many of the posters here did about churches UNTIL I actually worked for one and the bottom line is that churches have bills to pay. Lights need to come on and robes, organs, and YES, church outreach programs (which many, many people use) need to be paid for.

    Why is it okay for a firm to pay its bills but not a church? Churches are tax-exempt (but only the building and some parsonages) but they still have utility bills and such.

    And to echo what another poster here said so eloquently, people throw away money at every retailer in the world, not to mention chain restaurants. Why is it so hard to give money to an entity representing the fellowship and work of Christ? Even if a church only gives 20% of its money to the poor, animals or whomever, it is still more than most companies and individuals give.

    I hope every one of you so-called Black women who are making such strong generalizations get followed around in a store or harassed by cops more often. Maybe that will make you understand what it means to be stereotyped.

    Many of you are no sisters of mine.

  • Just wondering

    Why can’t my state and federal taxes be my tithe? They go to medicaid, medicare, welfare, wic, and everything else. I got no problem helping others through taxation. Why can’t that be the tithe point blank period?

  • Nne

    @Just wondering – Because the founder of the Christian faith clearly says to his followers – give unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s (Caesar representing the government) and that which belongs to God, what is His. We have decided to interpret this command as giving tithes and offering at our various places of worship – which has been done over a couple millennia and is practiced by a number of different faiths.

  • Nne

    I agree with others who have stated that the point of this article is lost somewhere between lines of ranting and raving about how religion (black Baptist churches) is the opiate of the masses (specifically black women), with pastors as our drug pushers. Needless to say, the author of the article comes across as insulting, but again, needless to say, we, Christians, are used to insults and sarcastic calls for us to “show them a sign.” Painting with one broad stroke, black church services as spiritual orgasms, the leaders of black churches as pimps and we, their prostitutes, automatically disqualifies this author from participation in reasoned, adult discussion. His/her fixation on painting such experiences in a sexual manner – particularly deviant sexual manners – demonstrates that s/he is not ready for a grown-up discussion on religion, and perhaps should work on some of his/her own demons. #JustSayin’

    And if you see church pews lined with divorced, destitute, or (GASP!) single women – thank God! It means that the church, these days, is doing an even better job at accepting men and women from all walks of life. It is people such as these that Christ calls, “blessed.”

    In case you forgot, Christ had a thing for those whom the world rejects, of note, women.

    I would have some respect for the article, if the writer came from a position of knowledge and or some modicum of research into the most BASIC tenets of the Christian faith. S/he clearly is not familiar with the instructions to contribute ten percent of one’s income to the church. Christ even extols a woman (no less) who was poor and gave the last that she had to the temple. In the Old Testament, another single woman is extolled for giving the last of her oil to the Prophet Elijah when she clearly was one meal away from her own death and that of her son. And mind you, this is the same Elijah who could have been fed directly from God.

    Do you want to talk religion, feminism, and how it’s worked out in modern black society – fine. I am all for it. But let’s keep the silliness out of it. It’s not a good look.

  • Nne

    I really hate to spam the list – but I didn’t see my comments post….
    ——-
    I agree with others who have stated that the point of this article is lost somewhere between lines of ranting and raving about how religion (black Baptist churches) is the opiate of the masses (specifically black women), with pastors as our drug pushers. Needless to say, the author of the article comes across as insulting, but again, needless to say, we, Christians, are used to insults and sarcastic calls for us to “show them a sign.” Painting with one broad stroke, black church services as spiritual orgasms, the leaders of black churches as pimps and we, their prostitutes, automatically disqualifies this author from participation in reasoned, adult discussion. His/her fixation on painting such experiences in a sexual manner – particularly deviant sexual manners – demonstrates that s/he is not ready for a grown-up discussion on religion, and perhaps should work on some of his/her own demons. #JustSayin’

    And if you see church pews lined with divorced, destitute, or (GASP!) single women – thank God! It means that the church, these days, is doing an even better job at accepting men and women from all walks of life. It is people such as these that Christ calls, “blessed.”

    In case you forgot, Christ had a thing for those whom the world rejects, of note, women.

    I would have some respect for the article, if the writer came from a position of knowledge and or some modicum of research into the most BASIC tenets of the Christian faith. S/he clearly is not familiar with the instructions to contribute ten percent of one’s income to the church. Christ even extols a woman (no less) who was poor and gave the last that she had to the temple. In the Old Testament, another single woman is extolled for giving the last of her oil to the Prophet Elijah when she clearly was one meal away from her own death and that of her son. And mind you, this is the same Elijah who could have been fed directly from God.

    Do you want to talk religion, feminism, and how it’s worked out in modern black society – fine. I am all for it. But let’s keep the silliness out of it. It’s not a good look.

  • pink

    People in the church are definitely being pimped. But they don’t realize it because they are still clinging to that last thread of faith. If Christianity is so great why are there still so many broke people in the church, and women in the church that have been going to church faithfully for years, tithing, etc. but yet their simple request of a husband has never been answered? That’s just one example of the problem I have with the god thing. To me that’s a simple request that can me met if all this christinaity and god stuff was real. Just my opinion

  • pink

    Also I just heard or read something recently that said that there is no record of Jesus’ life between age 12 and 30. What was this jesus doing all that time?!? If people want to feed into the bible myth then that’s on them. I just don’t happen to believe any of the bible’s shigady

  • pink

    Lots of you are going to say….but christianity is about faith. That’s right because the ministers have faith and know you will be back next Sunday with your purse wide open!! My question is is your life really any better OVERALL since you’ve been going to church, some of you for 20 and 30 years?? Material things count but it’s not only about material things; do you have wonderful friends, jobs, husbands / wives / kids? Life’s not designed to be perfect….but some of you have been praying for these things and it hasn’t happened yet.

  • http://[email protected] ross

    i will never get why 90% + of blacks in this country are religious… i just don’t get it

  • Love Thinker

    Ok Ok you got me to comment….(I tried not to). First let me say that I am an unapologetic Christian. I totally feel where this article is coming from. Currently I’m not a member of a church because I don’t feel that I have found a church that actually represents my Christan values. To illustrate, considering all of the economic unrest in this country with the top 1% controlling over 60% of the wealth and resources (just like in Jesus’ time), it pains my soul that the church (especially the black church) has remained silent on this for decades. Considering the amount of time Christ spent dealing with the social and economic inequities of his time, it’s appalling that most churches have been noticeably apathetic and silent in this time. I can’t name one out spoken pastor that has emerged as a public spokesman for the poor and disenfranchised (ie: The 99%) since this recession has begun. Not one. Where is our spiritual leadership who is willing to deal the system in the same capacity that both Jesus and Dr. King did? Not saying one does not exist, but it’s difficult for the average person to name one off the top of their head.

    Also, regarding gospel music……. why in the world does it all sound alike with the same sound and the message that Jesus is awesome. Yes we know that, but that’s not all that he was about. He was a political activist. When we read the “gospels” and read about the principles and values that Jesus spoke most on (social, political, and economic inequalities)…….. NONE OF IT and I mean none of it is mentioned in most gospel music. Why??????? Name me 5 top ten gospel songs in the last 10 years that speak on the government’s (ie: the Roman Empire) oppression of the “the least among us”or better yet how corrupt the Priest were. If Jesus spoke on it, why don’t our gospel speak on it? Name a popular gospel song that speaks directly to the evils of the rich. As much as of a political and social activist that Jesus was, none of those values are directly and aggressively addressed in most gospel songs. None of it. That is appalling and unacceptable.

    Gospel’s current secular hit by Kirk Franklin “Smile” is a borderline insult to the poor coming from a millionaire (Kirk Franklin). In this recession/depression in which the song is dedicated to, where wealth inequality and social oppression is at ALL TIME highs, the best message brother Kirk could come up with is “Smile”. Are you kidding me??? To those who have lost their homes…..Smile. To those who have no healthcare in this for profit healthcare system….Smile. To all of you laid off teachers who are out of work because some millionaire and billionaire hates contributing (taxes) to a system that he/she eats off of……… Smile. Please!!!! Jesus would not be solely telling the poor, dejected and indigent…..Smile with no follow up political plan of action. If anything tell people to smile because the fight for the poor has just begun and you have an awesome God behind you to fight the evils of a capitalistic system that sees God’s people people as the enemy.

    Last, I find it despicable that with all of the Occupy Wall Street demonstrations being held across the nation, I haven’t heard of not ONE single mega church hold Sunday service down at one of the occupying sites. Because BELIEVE ME Jesus would be down there crusading for equality of all men and women and not stuck in some Mega Mansion/Church on Sunday.

    Jesus instructed us to be critical of the Church, Priest, and people. He instructed us to hold people accountable for their actions (ie: long prayers) or lack there of, and if we were unsatisfied with the practices (political and social apathy) of said church, stop going and stop supporting it. This is God’s word, not mine. Judge a tree by the fruit it bares.

    To all of my critically thinking Christians who are like me trying to find a church headed by modern day Dr. King who makes it his priority to actively use his leverage to champion the needs of mankind’s spiritual AND EARTHLY needs…. keep on searching but do not give up the faith because he/she is out there.

    Last, salvation is not (monetary) Fee For Service. Don’t get pimped by these pastors and don’t be spiritually intimidated by these men/institutions. As long as God knows your heart (think of the poor lady who gave an offering as compared to the rich who gave in Luke 21) Jesus will have your back.

    Don’t Keep the Faith…….. Share it. In Jesus name and spirit, let the critically thinking and accountable Christians say Amen.

    Check out this awesome book speaking on this subject:

    The Politics of Jesus : Rediscovering the True Revolutionary Nature of Jesus’ Teachings and How They Have Been Corrupted [Hardcover]
    Obery M. Hendricks Jr.

    Prosperity Gospel Exposed: If You Don’t Give Money, You Don’t Get None
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffw3AzObjDM

    For your salvation “You are going to have to get it involved with your money” Creflo Dollar…………. SMH!!!

  • http://www.tracyreneejones.com Tracy Renee Jones

    I absolutely LOVED that comment ^^^^^ Brain washing is a bitch.

  • http://@clnmike Clnmike

    “. If Christianity is so great why are there still so many broke people in the church, and women in the church that have been going to church faithfully for years, tithing,”
    That would be your government and corporate america’s fault, see Occupy Something.

  • pink

    Lucy Lady: 10% tithing demanded by God?!? Has god also demanded all the maheim and craziness that’s going on in the world? You can believe all god’s so-called demands if you like but I think it’s all a bunch of shigady!!!

  • pink

    Me neither Ross…except they are brainwashed. If you are taught something from the time you are born….then more than likely you are going to believe it.

  • pink

    chanela: And those idiots that were there that Sunday were stupid enough to show up at that same church the following Sunday

  • ripuree

    In the 15th century it was Catholic Popes who gave Europeans permission to traverse the world to claim all new lands for Portugal then Spain, then whichever European power was able, Colonizing and Christianizing all discovered inhabitants, enslaving, maiming or killing all who refused. And those evil people carried out all of those instructions in God’s name, while God blessed them and apparently cursed the people whom Europeans brutalized and dehumanized. Then, as Europeans became more ruthless and greedy in their criminality, not even Christianization could later protect Africans from being dehumanized.

    Since Christianity would give poor whites some measure of predilection from elite Europeans also, it must be understood, that it was only a small amount of Europeans that were not active Christians. Yet Christianity and God could not activate those people’s humanity, no more than it has the ability to activate in the minds of the majority of us still, that we alone should own our lives, and as things are not progressing, we do not own the most control.

    During slavery, when blacks were allowed to have their own Churches three conditions had to be maintained (1) Whites had to choose the Minister. (2) Black Ministers had to teach black people to Obey the Master (3) They had to embrace being meek and humble while on earth in order for a white God to save their souls after death. Laws rewarded blacks for snitching, therefore Ministers had to comply, plus a white person was often posted by the door with everyone knowing he was there, to ensure that they complied.

    By introducing all kinds of new laws to completely control black people to behave like slaves, black Pastors, poor whites along with elite as well as the Church organization had black people behaving in the most unnatural ways.

    Their Doctrine of Exclusion stated that blacks should not share in the fruits of their endless unpaid labor, and instead must remain an available, uncompensated, noncompetitive, well-disciplined, permanently subordinated work force, which shall be separated from the white society. Meritorious Manumissions Act. said that Blacks could gain their freedom by: 1. Saving a white person’s life, 2. Protecting a white person’s property, 3. Inventing something from which a white could profit. 4. Snitching on the activities of other blacks. Racial superiority doctrine legitimized the exclusion and segregation of blacks from mainstream white society. Then noninterference doctrine dissuaded governments and social institutions from using their power to stop the abuse of blacks. That doctrine was later strengthened to make blacks personal property. Doctrine of expendability promoted the belief that black life was non-sacred and that there was nothing wrong with using blacks for the betterment and protection of white life. Doctrine of Diversity dictated the ratio of whites to blacks in given situations. And on and on white Christians in collusion with God’s silent compliance created law after law, to make black people comply to living for no other purpose than to fulfill the endless needs of whites.

    Now we willingly elect to support the same institution that sanctioned and silently enforced the destruction of Africa, our ancestors and us today, since they can remove young black men from our communities for non-violent drug activity, which allows them to be raped repeatedly in Prisons, therefore they become the criminals that white people say we are, consequently their recidivism is guaranteed. And quite often its our respectable Church people who beg for such laws to be enforced in our communities, when our young people who can’t swallow the poisonous religion of the elders, end up on drugs to relieve their constantly bombarded minds.

    And while EVERY Christian black has some relative in Prison that they have no resource or power to extract from the Criminal Injustice For Profit Prison Scam, they go to Church decked out in expensive bling to praise the same God who silently watches our collective demise.

    Christianity and the Church have traumatized, anesthetize, hypnotized and penalized our collective minds. So that it matters not how many degrees black people have attained, too many are failing to see that no one is so powerful to continue swallowing the same poison for so many centuries yet without interruption can become whole and well again.

    They told us that our ancestors were uncivilized uncouth heathens, who were enslaving each other left and right, therefore they at least extracted us from such evil in order to know God. And everyone of us at some point, being honest humans
    accepted the idea that our ancestors must have been enslaving themselves as Europeans claimed.

    But wait! is it not sophisticated communities with flourishing industries that need great amounts of labor that would need slaves? If our ancestors were such uncivilized savages not even evolving to wear clothes, what did they need unpaid labor force to do? If they were simple hunter gatherers wearing just a loin cloth and carrying spears, would their most critical need for labor not be hunting? But would it make sense that anyone’s slaves (people held against their will) be armed?

    And while white people claim that the people of Dark Africa were never exposed to anyone until shortly before and after Columbus. Since they tell us that our ancestors had no recorded and worthwhile history, how on earth do they have so much proof that Africans were enslaving themselves to the great extent they claim? And why does that conflict with the Africans who say that they have no word in their languages equivalent to the chattel slavery that Europeans introduced and refined? And finally if so many of us were not so committed to praising a white God, would we not have overcome by now?

  • KayC

    The Bible says “Bring all your tithes and offerings into the storehouse…” -Mal 3:10. What is a storehouse? It’s a place where you put something then can later go and get something out. The church is that storehouse. If you are faithfully putting your tithe into the church but when you have a financial need your church turns you down, you need a new church/storehouse!!! You wouldn’t dutifully pay a storage facility to hold your furniture but be OK if they said you can’t have it back would you?! I think not! You’d probably have them on Judge Judy. The tithe (10%) and offerings are between you and God. Understanding and implementing the tithing/offering principle has greatly benefited my life. Read the Word, my people, instead of succumbing to an emotional offering appeal or pastoral pressure and you won’t get pimped by a pastor.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ashley-Mays-Gee/677865245 Ashley Mays Gee

    Wow. I dont think I’ve seen so many lengthy comments. I understand why this article would ruffle feathers but it is for entertainment (like all the other articles on Clutch) and not a serious theological discussion, don’t you think?

  • Nne

    I believe that for many of us – Christian and atheist alike – we don’t see religion as mere entertainment. I have much respect for some of the lengthier comments here – again, both Christian and non-Christian. The author, steeped in incorrigible immaturity, decided to take a very serious topic for many, and came from a position of profound ignorance and disrespect. Forgive us commenters for trying to elevate the conversation.

  • Anti_Religious

    @bLACKLOTUS WRONG! Being Christian does mean that you don’t THINK for yourselves. And how could you assume that CHURCHES donate more than anyone else.

    @Nne What spirit in their right mind would allow such ignorance? Wanting a person to give his/her last to support their children, pastors (church) needs. That’s extremely selfish.

    I agree with Clnmike & ross

  • Latoyah

    I absolutely love this article. I loved it even more as I read the comments of anguish. smh. My husband and I talk about this all the time. How the Black community…esp women are being pimped out by pastors especially those of these “mega” churches. The part that gets me is when you are asked to stand when the pastor..no wait bishop enters the room and possibly his wife. He is not God…def not Jesus, why do we have to stand for this regular man. Also, there’s def a stereotype..almost a fact..regarding the relationship of black pastors and the “women” sitting in the front pew. I had a college professor compare a pastor sermon to an orgasm. Churches that ask for all kinds of funds…for various stuff…”new building fund”..”new building in Africa fund”..what about the services/buildings needed in America, in our own Black community?? And people are commenting about “don’t know the bible, know about tithes..the ones that are super hype to give up their 20% or more are the ones who truly don’t understand. I’m reading the bible and it amazes me how the bible’s stories/words/chapters have been twisted to make up one’s personal/group beliefs. I could go on but GREAT ARTICLE!

  • fuchsia

    I found this article to be offensive and uniformed, as well as biased. I don’t attend a church like that, and I know for a fact that if I did need help from my congregation under any circumstance they would be there to help me. I understand that there are some preachers that are not right and are taking advantage, but to lump all pastors and churches into one big exaggerated group is plain foolishness. The women who spend their money paying tithes and offerings do it freely and are not complaining, otherwise they would find a new church or wouldn’t go at all.

  • damidwif

    now you know that is too much for this site right here

  • Loquacious

    Giving you a high five on the black hand side.

  • pink

    Nne: All your comments are much much tooooo long. The author of the ariticle wrote the piece, and you came behind her and wrote another article.

  • Nne

    ^^^Ok….then, errrr, keep it moving…

  • Nne

    ^^^Could you clarify a bit – don’t really understand your comment. We are clearly instructed to give ten percent. Anything else is offering and you give as you feel led too. Christ condemns people in His time that gave to the church and then turned around and told their parents that they could not help them since they gave to the church. Elsewhere in the New Testament it states that those who think themselves religious but cannot take care of their families are thought of as being worse than an unbeliever. The Scriptures are such a complex document and open to several interpretations as to how one should conduct their lives – spiritually, physically, financially, etc. If someone feels led to give of all they have and they feel as if God is calling them to do so- that is between them and God. Likewise if you feel ten percent is what you can afford in order to take care of your ordained duties to family – again, fine. It’s not a black or white matter and open to individuals.

  • Nne

    I personally don’t see anything wrong about standing up when the pastor comes to the stage. I went to a Catholic school and we, including the teacher – nun or not – stood up whenever an adult visitor came into the classroom. I stand up whenever a patient comes into the room I am in, again out of respect for te person. I think for most people, standing up is just common courtesy…something perhaps lost on this younger generation.

  • Nne

    Hmm, if you took offense to Kirk Franklin’s “Smile” I guess you would also take offense to Christ’s “Beattitudes.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ashley-Mays-Gee/677865245 Ashley Mays Gee

    Agreed, Nne. Religion is a very serious subject and worthy of intense discussion. The point that I was trying to make, maybe I failed, was that the context of this piece is that it was written for website designed for entertainment. I took the hyperbolic nature of the article as creative license intended for effect. I’m not criticizing conversation. I regret if I offended.

  • Nne

    No, not at all, you did not offend. And yeah, I admit, I can be a bit harsh with my sarcasm. I hear where you are coming from. I just feel that there is very little these days that is sacred anymore, at least we should respect the belief/non-belief systems of others. I also feel that if this article used the same tone to describe the Islamic faith or to deride the Jewish faith – the article probably would have been removed a long time ago. Even if the article had demeaned (hint, not criticized) animism or the Hindu religion or some other non-Western faith, we would have condemned the writer as culturally insensitive. A lot of us found that, again, likening members of the black church to pimps and prostitutes is incredibly insulting, and if it had been on any other site or written by a non-black writer, it would have been condemned as racism.

  • kila

    yes, the church has played a huge part in the demise of the black community for a long time.

    occupy black churches please.

  • pink

    Kila: I agree totally yet some black people get mad when it’s pointed out. My issue with the church overall is that with the millions and millions of dollars that go across pulpits collectively on every Sunday….black communities should be booming with all kinds of businesses, great housing, etc. Not to mention that there shouldn’t be a homeless or hungry person on the street. In my opinion churches aren’t doing what they preach. A bunch of hypocrites is what I see; plus they don’t know the real power in their money….and it’s not found in a preacher, rabi, priest, etc. WAKE UP FOLKS!!

  • pink

    Latoyah: A lot of people have had the wool pulled over their heads when it comes to churches, christianity, etc. They are blind and don’t even know it. No one can change their minds in what they believe (and I’m not trying to change their minds). I just don’t happen to believe the church, god, bible hype. I compare it to politics in that it’s just like some people believe in the Democratic philosopy and some people believe in the Republican philosophy and neither side is going to change their minds. People believe what they believe. In the bigger picture I really don’t see how the church has helped the community overall (on many levels)

  • pink

    Nne: Bottomline is the article and comments aren’t on any other site…..they are on this site. It’s a conversation that needs to be had; and everyone is entitled to their opinion. Rarely does everyone agree on everything….no matter what the topic is. And that’s ok.

  • http://www.mamiknowsbest.com BrooklynMami

    “These pimps posing as pastors peddling propaganda from the pulpit know exactly what they are doing. It’s so obviously formulaic, which is why I believe many men are absent from the church—because ‘game recognize game.’”

    I Think this is why my husband always hated going to church!

  • http://womenpraymenprey.com Candace

    A new book is going to be released that addresses all these issues and many more. Deborrah Cooper, who wrote the 2010 viral piece “The Black Church: How Black Churches Keep African American Women Single and Lonely!” has published THE BLACK CHURCH: WHERE WOMEN PRAY AND MEN PREY. It will be released May 2012

  • StudyTheWord2SeeRight

    To keep it simple christians are suppose to worship God based on the New Testement, which is the ways of Christ as the Standard.

    Christ never did preach about tithing. But the body of Christ was redeemed from the curse of the Law after Christ died on the cross and rose from the dead.

    Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”—
    Galatians 3:13

    This means that all christian are set free from all curses under the Old Testement Covenant(the Mosaic Laws)that God was only using has a foreshallow of how he wants His people (believers) to worship Him.

    How all believers are to worship God under His new covenant, which is based on love on the fear.

    The Old Covenant was if you don’t give a certain amount 10% you will be cursed.

    But now all believers are under the new covenant of Christ and are set free from the curse of the law of the 10% tithe.

    Now a Christians giving is to be based on giving from the heart, not based on an amount.

    Also the new covenant under Christ sets believers free to live for God based on love, and not based on a fear of being cursed.

    So now God expects believers to obey Him out of Love.

    When believers do this, it is showing God who is real and who is not.

    It’s a heart thing now (are our motives based on love from the heart).

    And as for False leaders in some churchs, be sure to study the bible for yourself and ask the Holy Spirit for understanding, right before you open your bible to study.

    And then you will become skilled at knowing what a false does, that proves them to be a false prophet.

    And if things don’t line up right with the word of God, Challenge your pastor in a nice way in bible study.

    Christ simpified the what God expects of new covenant Christians by divine revelation from God Himself (in the new testement of the Holy bible).

    Real Christian read and study the bible (partly to also keep from being deceived by the devil and false prophets in the body of Christ.

    Reading and rightly divided the word (Gods Truth)will set you free.

  • StudyTheWord2SeeRight

    To keep it simple, Christians are suppose to worship God based on the New Testement, which is the ways of Christ as the Standard.

    Christ never did preach about tithing. The body of Christ was redeemed from the curse of the Law after Christ died on the cross and rose from the dead.

    Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— (Galatians 3:13)

    This means that all christians are set free from all curses under the Old Testement Covenant (the Mosaic Laws) that God was only using has a foreshallow of how he wants His people (believers) to worship Him.

    Now all believers are to worship God under His new covenant, which is based on love and not out of fear.

    The Old Covenant was if you don’t give a certain amount 10% you will be cursed.

    But now all believers are under the new covenant of Christ and are set free from the curse of the law of the 10% tithe.

    Now a Christians giving is to be based on giving from the heart, and not based on an amount.

    Also the new covenant under Christ sets believers free to live for God based on love, and not based on a fear of being cursed.

    So now God expects believers to obey Him out of Love.

    When believers do this, it is showing God who is real and who is not real.

    (Jesus said) If you love Me, you will keep My commandments. (John 14:15)

    It’s a heart thing now (are our motives based on love from the heart).

    And as for false leaders in some churches, be sure to study the bible for yourself and ask the Holy Spirit for understanding, right before you open your bible to study.

    And then you will become skilled at knowing what a false prophet (minister, pastor, bishop, etc) does, that proves them to be a false prophet.

    And if things don’t line up right with the word of God, Challenge your pastor in a nice way in bible study.

    In the new testement of the Holy Bible, Christ simpified what God expects of new covenant Christians by divine revelation from God Himself.

    Real Christians read and study the bible (partly to also keep from being deceived by the devil and false prophets in the body of Christ).

    Reading and rightly dividing the word (Gods Truth) will set you free.

    Here is a secret about the Gospel of Christ: The simplicity of the Gospel is where the anointing of Gods is at its highest and most effective level.

  • Jeffrey

    Amen!!!! Well said

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