Hello my name is Jayne Dirt, and I’m a divorcee. I suppose this is somewhat of a feat considering many of my sistren’, for better or for worse, have not crossed that threshold just yet. Having only survived four years of matrimonydom though, I do not profess to be an expert on wedded bliss. But one of the most heart wrenching lessons that I have learned that I wish to impart, is that love alone, does not make a marriage. Key ingredients in the stew, yes, but some other fixings have to be thrown in the mix for it to be sustained. Perhaps Disney movies, and other grandiose fairytales that crafted our little girl fantasies, have shaped some of our incredibly unrealistic notions about marriage, but as Mary J sings, “It ain’t all roses, flowers, and posin’….” When you get grown, I mean really grown and not postulating to be a grown woman just because you have coochie curls and a debit card, it’s time to dead these fantasies and be R E A L I S T I C!
At a certain juncture in our lives, women need to have a personal constitution. Within this constitution it is a good idea to have a realistic appraisal of your worth, what you bring to the table, what you seek in a partner (and that bucket list should include some significant attributes beyond him having good hair, a monster penis, and a 7 series BMW). Some questions to consider are: Is he loyal? Does he come from a good family background? Can he conjugate a verb? Can he balance a checkbook? Does he have any kids you don’t know about, or an ex-wife that he is still paying alimony and child support to, leaving you with crumbs? Does he even want to have kids? Is he father material? Can he keep a steady job? Does he have long term employable skills? Does he have a felony you are not privy to? What’s his relationship like with his mama? What is his FICO score? Does he squander a great portion of his time playing video games? Do his life plans coincide with yours?
While these series of questions may be laughable, they are important questions to ask yourself nonetheless, lest L O V E have your A1 credit jacked up loving a man with his 3 grown kids living in your house, or the feds busting in from an old warrant you didn’t know about. Or perhaps–and not so extreme–you discover his ideas about male female gender dynamics do not bode well with your career ambitions or he is a good man, just not the good man for Y O U!
Through trial and error, marrying at 22 and divorcing by 26, I have learned some of my non-negotiables when it comes to my new potential husband. If a suitor lacks a passport and a mean hustle spirit, it’s an absolute no go for me. Traveling is a fundamental part of my lifestyle, and for a man to be able to roll and compliment me in my endless travel endeavors, he must have a valid passport and the ingenuity to make money from anywhere on the planet, BOTTOM LINE! I don’t want to cook every day, and have a penchant to want to have my own space. I am sometimes impetuous in my decision making, am known to be passive aggressive, have a mean silent treatment, and the proclivity to overspend on occasion. I try to be honest in my assessment of myself. This may drive some men up the wall and one or more of my quirks can be an absolute deal breaker. I get that! This is why knowing what you bring to the table and can and cannot deal with is so important.
When asking some of my married and have-been-married girlfriends their thoughts on whether love alone was enough to tie the knot, the resounding answer was NO! How essential communication is was a reoccurring theme in their responses. It is stating the obvious that men and women communicate entirely different — women tend to be more verbose and men are non-verbal communicators. Figuring out how to make your communications styles mesh is critical.
Rasha Reyn, Executive of Sales for Emily Cho Handbags NYC had this to say about marriage, “it’s work — a lot of work — people feel we love each other so let’s get married, but from what I have learned, communication is the key to a great marriage.” Kenya Johnson a wife and working mother of three shared, “Anyone can love someone but that doesn’t mean the relationship is good/healthy for both parties. There are other factors like, compatibility, communication, and trust.” While one of my best girlfriends whose name I will not disclose, kept it all the way real and quipped, “I would not have married when I did, if I did not need health insurance. I know this is not the ideal reason to get married, but my now husband and I already knew we were going to marry one day, but my need for medical coverage sped things up.”
Love is such a nebulous concept so putting on your big girl panties and being smart about whom and for what reasons you marry is vital. The decision you make can have prodigious consequences down the line.
Before you say “I do” what are some of the other reasons that would behoove you to jump the broom with your man?
Every person is different. So what I may be looking for in a potential mate, the next women may not require. You have to know, like the author said,”What you bring to the table and can and cannot deal with is so important.”
I always liked strong men, the protector-type; men who know how to take care of home, work, and social life. I also like to travel all over the world, so I expected the same in my mate. And, for me, there is nothing sexier than a man who values the Christian faith, family, marriage, and security. So, when I met my husband, right away I knew he possessed these things and more. With that came love. If he wouldnt have had what I was looking for in a mate, love wouldnt have happened. I think too many people fall for looks, sex, conversation…I dont know. But the word ‘love’ is thrown around so losely. Why are people falling in love with people that dont possess the qualities they are looking for in a mate? And my husband says the same thing about me. If I didnt have this or that quality or characteristic he wouldn’t have dated me. There is nothing wrong with expecting your mate to possess certain qualities…this brings about compatibility. Next is love.
I respect the institution of marriage, but I do NOT believe I will marry for love. I will marry the person I like and will fall in love and come to love him in the course of the marriage. It takes a lot for me to love. The LOVE I have for my dogs cannot be compared to the like I have for a potential suitor. I LOVE them wholeheartedly with no ifs or buts.
Now, ya’ll may be wondering-how in the world can you compare a dog and a human being. It is very simple for me, a dog is a man’s best friend and never disappoints-as has been my experience. However, with human beings there are disappointments and heartaches that make you question the validity of their mere existence-yes ya’ll it’s that deep!
With that in mind: the following will NOT be compromised so long as all my faculties are in their right place:
1.) Focus and ambition-Actions speak louder than words. There’s absolutely NO way on earth, my marriage would last if I married a dude working at McDonalds and is still at it 5 years later. I do not care whether it is an economic depression or somebody has jujued his ass! 5 years! You better be running that McDonalds! I ain’t playing, or find another hustle.
2.) A SHORT dude-Nope!!! I do NOT take short dudes seriously at all. My Mandigo warrior cannot be shorter than me when I’m wearing my six inch heels. If he tells me to cook or serve him tea, I might just burst out laughing-in horror of being told what to do by a short dude. We all have our weaknesses in life-mine is short dudes. In the real scope of things, my real Mandigo warrior is short and fiercely focused! Pray for me ya’ll!
3.) Financial Stability- Listen to Ace Hood’s Hustle song and he should be in a position to know, what time it is in the household!
4.) When it is all said and done.I might just end up with a short dude! Aiyayaiyaiaiiiiiii!!!!!
@African Mami
“A SHORT dude-Nope!!! I do NOT take short dudes seriously”
I guess we all have our preferences but when a bratha comes on here and says he wants a light skinned, long hair, flat stomach, round booty, banging body sista, don’t say nothin.
@ BigRJ,
If you like em light like white chalk, that’s on you! I don’t have a problem. Your life! Me, I just don’t like ya’ll short!
@AfricanMami
“It takes a lot for me to love.”
Same here. Always been that way!
And Im with you 3000% on the short dude tip. Could NOT do it! My own mother told me once that I better not bring no short man to her house. And she was DEAD serious too!
If you *only* marry for love…good luck!
An exercise I gave a women’s Bible study a few years ago after having them write down their “list”: take that list, and ask yourself if it is a reflection of who you are as well. Then, make a list of things you need to work on/accomplish to be the kind of person a man would want to hold down. Helps keep things in perspective, while actively addressing things (be it finance, attitude, ect…whatever!) that are even helpful with or without a significant other.
Great article! Love does NOT conquer all, well it may for a little while, but definitely not long term. I recall when I was younger and my mom told me she was divorcing my dad. I asked her if she loved him, she replied yes but I don’t like him anymore. That has always stuck with me. You need to like being with who you’re married to as much as you love them. If they have qualities about them that you don’t like, you’re only going to be able to tolerate them so long. For most people loving someone is easy, getting along with them is usually the bigger challenge.
Wow…at this stage of the game, I’ll marry for companionship and money. My ideas of how love is supposed to go have changed. I’m 42, have kids, a job, and a ton of bills. I DON”T want him to save me. I can save my self. I need emotional support. A team player.
My list of “must haves” is short. I think all women should have a short list. If we make it to long, we’ll be pondering that list longer than we want to.
He must be:
Honest
Financially Responsible
Kind
Loving
Funny
Spiritual
A good lover.
That’s it. I didn’t put in any physical characteristics, though I wanted to. Will it matter in the end what he looks like if he has those five qualities? If “I” can get past any trivialities and he possesses all those qualities than it’s good. I am not easy to love. I have hermit tendencies. Feel my space is to be guarded against most intruders. I am also the ultimate social butterfly (catch our radio show). It would irk my soul if he couldn’t put it down in the bedroom. sheesh. I just want someone who understands that I have weeds in my garden. I need a true gardener……won’t post that poem.
I’ll marry for true friendship and financial stability.
Im not as old as you are (not saying your old, just older than I am) but I feel yu 100%
I have the same views
Since when has love been the primary reason to get married? It’s always been a financial union, and that’s all it will ever be.
I’m marrying someone who would legit want to be my business partner.
This is tricky because I think even if not spoken everyone has some sort of list even if it’s only he must have a job and like to laugh. It’s called having standards. But on the other real talk side of things there are so many educated, hard working, financially independent, drop dead gorgeous black women sitting at home lonely because of these lists. Hell there are ones lonely with NO list period! Are we alienating ourselves even more by trying to add on 6 deal breakers to an imaginary man? I mean having no passport is not a deal breaker this is the opportunity to introduce your mate to the world.
Not having a passport is A B S O L U T E L Y a deal breaker for me. I think the lack of having one, comes with a sort of mindset that I could not be tolerant of in a mate P E R I O D! But this is just me, not suggesting that this should be everyone elses standard as well.
Thanks for responding Jane! But I’m seriously baffled by the deal breaker of not having a passport. I mean what kind of “mindset” must someone have just because they don’t have a passport? Aren’t you immediately assuming things just because someone doesn’t have a passport? What if this man was just too busy in his career or establishing a firm and didn’t have the time to travel? When you meet someone who doesn’t have the exact same interests as you it opens them up to something more, maybe your love for travel could open his eyes and introduce him to loving travel even more than you do. But your “deal breaker” will never even allow you the chance to get to that point. I think deal breakers should be based on things, for the lack of another description, things that aren’t so trivial. Deal breakers to me are substantial things like no job, hates women, beats women, disrespectful, cheater, gambler, alcoholic, no goals. A passport can be acquired within the next 10 minutes of meeting the potential man of your dreams.
Laugh…we can totally agree to disagree on this point. It’s a deal breaker for me point blank period. I actually don’t look at it as limiting my options either, rather narrowing in on them. The world is big, and I meet veracious travelers, like myself on a daily basis, some that tickle my fancy quite nicely.
I also subscribe to the motto, “Mingle with the rich and marry for love.” {^_^}
Ok then, but shoot now I get your point. So what you are saying, without saying it,is marry for money.
I agree, I think we need to start examining things that should be legitimate potential deal breakers. It is okay to like what you like but you could be narrowing down you scope of potential mates on something that is an easy fix. But back a aat the topic at hand my dad always tell me that love doesn’t pay the bills or always make you happy. It took me awhile to get what he was saying but now I get it just because you love Someone doesn’t guarantee a successful and lasting union nor does it erases a person’s flaws. Personally, I think people should ask themselves is jumping the broom is right for you and your lifestyle and fine a person who fits your lifestyle. And a big reason is finances as stated, I struggled getting where I want to be I don’t want to tote someone else’s load .
Not having a passport means that the person has never traveled outside of the country. And if she’s looking for someone over the age of 26, it can be kind of unattractive that at that age he’s never taken the time to travel to places outside the U.S.
These days many industries are expanding globally, so to say that the reason he might not have traveled is because he’s been working on his career is not a good excuse.
And even if he’s in a management position in an industry like construction, which can be very regional, not taking the time to travel to even Mexico means that international experiences are not his priority. And if they are a priority of the author’s, I think it is fair that she should seek someone similar.
A lot of Americans do not travel, especially Black Americans. And with our heritage lying outside the U.S. borders, it is especially sad that a lot of Black Americans do not actively in seek global perspectives.
Furthermore, if you are a forward-moving person, you would realize the effect increasing globalization has on our society. Simply not having a passport indicates to me that you are behind the times, which is not what I want in a life-partner.
Not having a passport=deal breaker?! Really?! I guess everyone defines that term differently. To me, lack of a passport does not imply that the person does not have any interest in traveling, nor that they would not like to travel in the future. You ladies could be throwing away a potentially great relationship based on the fact that at present the person does not have a passport. It’d be different if, after a few dates, your potential partner expressed a dislike of traveling, but until then…why throw the baby out with the bathwater?
I agree with Laugh, a deal breaker to me is more substantial, something that you know will cause tension/problems in the relationship and where individuals are unlikely to change. For example, if you’re a religious person and intend to raise your children the same way, you probably don’t want to get involved with someone’s who’s an atheist, or who is equally as religious about another religion. If you don’t believe in spanking children, you probably don’t want to become involved with someone who’s a strong believer in corporal punishment. If you’re very fiscally conservative, you probably don’t want to get involved with someone who’s more liberal in their spending. Etc.
Nothing about marriage seems very appetizing these days. People are generally too self centered for it in modern society. Myself included. This article proves my point.
Very VERY valid point!
Selfishness is the culprit 99% of the time when relationships end.
I agree that people should not marry because of love alone ( marriage is more than that). I think, at times, women (myself included) get so caught up in the “me, me, me” that we forget that building lasting relationships require a willingness to share a bit of our world with others. How much will it cost you to introduce the man you love to something new? We are too anxious to be married, so when we marry the wrong person and it obviously fails we make every attempt to justify it. Find a man with flaws you can accept, dreams you can support, and battles you can help him fight and MARRY HIM. A man that makes you feel good and loved is not enought to marry (just enough to date).
my 2 cent 1/2
Wow, I wish Miss Jayne Dirt the best. I appreciate the fact that she’s open and upfront about what she wants (demands) out of a man. As a man, If I met her in a bar, after we chatted for an hour or so, I would kindly tell her “It was nice talking to you and I wish you the best of luck”
While I wouldn’t touch this women with a 10 foot pole, she is correct in that everything should be put on the table.
You just co-signed what the author said. When compatibility isnt there, like you said, “It was nice talking to you and I wish you the best of luck.”
More people should be like that. Jane has her requirements; Im sure you have yours. You may not be her type. It’s not the end of the world for her.
Do you believe she should have the same standards as you?
@GUESS
Women should absolutely have standards just like men should have standards. But just like my reply to African Mami, if a bratha is only chekin for sistas that look like Beyonce, Gabriel Union, Sanaa Lathan, Megan Good. Alicia Keys and others, would you and the rest of the sistas with standards agree not to call us shallow? I think it’s a fair trade.
No it takes more than love I believe. It has to be someone you can grow with.
in my day we got married when she turned up pregnant……
In my day, we married if you had change in your pockets-bill change not coin change!
i worked on wall street and now i am retired and comfy.
i have always had money. i don’t know why that is an issue.
snaps all around boo! I thought you worked on a farm picking fruits, nuts, grains and vegetables. That’s why I was getting worried! But it’s all good I see!!! I’ll be in philly in a jiffy! I ain’t playing, meet me at the train station!
what would you bring to the table that would motivate me to get up off my comfortable sofa? my women have usually come to me.
and NO goat meat……
S.E.X.!
SEX
any woman can do that because ALL women have the same thing…
But what makes you a better catch than the next woman…that’s the question…
Honestly, I don’t think that most people know what love is. I have dated and been in two long-term relationships, but I have never actually truly loved any of the men. I have had lust and been passionate, but never in love. In all of my 25 years lol I have only seen one couple in love, and that was my great-grandparents . I remember when I was a kid, I would see them together and it was like they were glowing or had some sort of unbreakable bond.
I could not help but to laugh at the “bucket list”. Just because you marry someone with “good hair” or who is tall does not mean that your child will have those traits. There is something called genetics, that is often unpredictable. My girlfriend married a very fair-skinned guy with so called “good hair” and the child has nappy hair, a big head, and is shorter than most children his age. Not only that, you are going to be old and wrinkly one day and all of that crap will fade.
@fanta25
“Honestly, I don’t think that most people know what love is.”
CO-SIGN!!!!!!!
And whats even worse those very people usually walk around oblivious of their own ignorance in that regard. Love isnt something were born knowing how to do. We all need to be taught. But unfortunately there exists precious few examples of love worth learning from or even imitating.
I think it’s pretty damn obvious that you shouldn’t get married based on love alone, what adult could agrue with that, lol???
It seems the real debate here is whether certain characteristics fit under the “Superficial” tab or the “Decent Standards” tab, and that will completely be an individual conflict. You should be physically attracted to someone somewhat if you are going to marry them right, lol? Saying they need to have a 6 pack or light skin seems extreme to me, but you should be proud of your spouse when walking down the blvd. You also should prolly put the longer lasting characteristics towards the top of the list, you know like humor (SUPER IMPORTANT, lol) potential as a parent, trustworthiness, etc. Trust, when that 6 pack is gone, and that light skin is cracked by the time they’re 42 (hey, lighter skin ages faster, its a fact, lol) you’ll be glad you have someone who keeps you intrigued and feeling loved and supported.
Overall, i think if you are honest with yourself and potential mates, and they don’t have a problem with being critiqued for being short or not having a passport, and you can handle them rating you in the same fashion, then do whatever works for you.
I actully don’t agree. I think love alone is all you need to make a marriage work. Essentially, Im not disagreeing with the article, I’m disagreeing with the definition of love. Love is not a feeling, lust is a feeling, infactuation is a feeling. Love is a choice. Not fairy tale fluff, everybodies happy type stuff, but a real decision. For example, I choose to love when I choose to swallow my pride and not have to prove my point so we don’t have a meaningless argument.
I agree with the point of this article, the way someone makes you feel or their material possessions are not enough for a marriage, but true unconditional love, what more could I ask for?
I agree that love is a choice to always look out for that person’s well being. I think that definition of love coupled with compatibility and a committed dedication to each other making it work. At the foundation of this love, is trust and respect with that honesty, consideration, kindness etc etc etc.
Yep, wholeheartedly agree. My grandmother always warned that love doesn’t pay rent. Love also doesn’t suffice when one or both partners have come from broken homes, and have had hard times deciphering what love means. I absolutely love my husband, but we have a long road ahead (till death comes) and to imagine that love alone would pay our mortgage, rear our kids, clean and cook, and work through other bills would be living a fairytale.
No. At a certain point you also do it as an excuse to throw a lavish party and for the tax breaks.
You want this and you want that, you also want the other thing, and then you want the guy to get you that too? What about the guy? What about his wants? These girls just kill me. The other day a friend of mine said, “just when I thought he was perfect, sigh” And I’m like what? Just when you thought “he” was perfect? Are you perfect to want someone perfect? This woman was divorced twice btw. No wonder, she wants to find Mr. Perfect!! My mom always said to me, find a girl you can get along with and that you love, that’s enough. The only thing I have to add to my mama’s advice: Make sure she doesn’t need serious psychological help.