This one time at journalism camp (Yes, there is such a thing.), a white friend that I had been bonding with for the week, leaned over and confided that until last year’s camp experience, she had been certain black people had tails. That same summer, another camper expressed her extreme dislike for rap music and then turned to me apologizing so profusely you’d think I was Kool Moe Dee himself. I’ve been “the only” in so many situations from childhood until today that when I spotted comedian Franchesca Ramsey’s new video, “Shit White Girls Say to Black Girls,” I almost squealed. Man, could I relate! In college for four years in Iowa, I heard half these things four times between the shower and my morning class. For me, Ramsey’s entry into the “Shit ________ Say” meme was not only funny, it also contained important social commentary. But not everyone is laughing.

As the video exploded across the Internet, some folks, particularly white women, including ones who deem themselves liberal, anti-racist allies, pushed back. A cruise through comments over on Huffington Post, Jezebel and Facebook reveals some unhappy responses, including 1) This is reverse-racism/stereotyping! 2) Everybody says dumb racial stuff equally. Guess what this black girl said to me once? 3) Nobody really says this stuff. I mean, maybe in the South/Flyover States… 4) How come this is okay, but “Shit black girls say to white girls” wouldn’t be?


You think talking about “big” racial issues like loan discrimination and redlining and police brutality against black men is hard? It’s often a lot easier than discussing race-based “microaggressions.” Microaggressions is a word coined by psychiatrist Chester M. Pierce, meaning “brief and commonplace daily verbal, behavioral, or environmental indignities, whether intentional or unintentional, that communicate hostile, derogatory, or negative racial slights and insults toward people of other races.”

The discussion is hard because it requires good, well-meaning people to admit to and examine their own racial privilege. It requires those who may think of themselves as anti-racist allies to do more than tsk tsk along with black friends about some madness, say, Rick Santorum said, and recall the things they personally (and perhaps innocently) may have done to make friends, family and co-workers of color feel othered. That’s tough. And it’s not just tough for the “white girls” mentioned in Ramsey’s work. It’s hard for everyone who has any kind of privilege, be it educational privilege, sexual privilege, gender privilege, etc. (All microaggressions aren’t tied to race. Just check out the Microaggressions Tumblr to see the many non-race-related ways this can play out.) But “Shit white girls say…” is centered on racial privilege and that is what much of the push back seems to ignore.

Look, individual black folks say plenty of stupid stuff about race, likely some of it to non-black people they know. This ignorance is neither right nor good. Nor need it be tolerated by white friends. But it is not microaggression. The difference? Power, racial privilege and historical context.  In an essay about reverse racism, anti-racist educator and author Tim Wise explains:

As a white person, I always saw the terms honky or cracker as proof of how much more potent white racism was than any variation practiced by the black or brown. When a group of people has little or no power over you, they don’t get to define the terms of your existence, they can’t limit your opportunities, and you needn’t worry much about the use of a slur to describe you, since, in all likelihood, the slur is as far as it’s going to go. What are they going to do next: deny you a bank loan? Yeah, right. So whereas “nigger” is a term used by whites to dehumanize blacks, to “put them in their place” if you will, the same cannot be said of honky; after all, you can’t put white people in their place when they own the place to begin with. 

  • Alexandra

    Great topic. After watching the video myself and then reading the response to it, I knew it would take a different turn compared to the other parodies; because in this video, she’s ‘playing’ another race.
    I liked Chesca’s response. Despite her taking the comedic route to expose this issue (one she actually experiences), I’m not too surprised it still ruffled some people up. The comment section under her video is a huge race war, and makes me wonder whether we can laugh at White women as much as we can with Black? I’m guessing if it was a Black male that did this (like ‘White Chicks’) would it have generated the same response…

  • chanela

    *STANDING OVATION* i loved this article!!!!

    it’s all so true! the thing is, white girls will NEVER have these issues as long as they’re the ideal woman. that’s why they don’t undnerstand it and get “offended”.they can get mad,cause a scene,and be a bitch but because they are white then it’s “oh she must be having a bad day! she snapped cause seh was under pressure!” but when a black woman does the same then it’s “oh whats new? all black women are like that. typical!”. therefore the white women who spazz the eff out and have a horrible attitude don’t cause a “All white women are___” stereotype. but ONE black women does something and suddenly its all of us. people are more likely to give the benefit of doubt and sympathize with white women.

    i have else nothing to say cause its all been said already by this article buttttt…. i’m for damn sure gonna break out the popcorn and wait for the responses : )

  • African Mami

    Like oh mi gosh, that video was soooo like racist~ (said in a white girls voice) -GIVE ME A DAMN BREAK.

    All those white women, or anyone for that particular matter crying foul over this video and calling it reverse racism or “microaggression”-can all take a sit!

    RACISM is:

    1.) When my ancestors were lynched and hang on trees and treated less than, and this practice happens today, albeit in a more subtle way! Go to rural Western Pennsylvania-where there are threats made to black university students! (oh mi gosh-microagression…have a damn sit!)

    2.) When the President of the United States cannot command the same respect as his counterparts and is subject to inapt racial debate-because he is BLACK! (microagression-have a damn sit!)

    3.) Apparently all black men are thugs, and are subject to unscrupulous police checks, just in case they may be armed or ready to kill- (microagression-have a damn sit!)

    My point is this, if you are going to cry REVERSE RACISM-please understand the CORRECT usage of the term. Secondly, have a basis upon which you can build your case-Humor is not it!!!! And this stupid term called microagression is giving birth to my own, pent up anger at the incorrect usage of racism!( PUA-ATI-UOR)

    #Occupy PUA-ATI-UOR!

    To sum my thoughts up, this is UTTER and COMPLETE BS!

  • fuchsia

    This was interesting. I had my white friend watch the video and she found it humorous as well. She grew up as the token white girl among Black people in the Bay area, and could easily make a Shit Black Girls Say… to White Girls parody. For a moment I wondered what people would say about that. No doubt she would be attacked as being racist or racially insensitive even if they were her real life experiences… For me the last sentence in the video sums up the entire mentality perfectly. White people are still grasping at straws at an attempt to understand racism on a personal level. I find anyone who finds this video racist to be suspect. The fact that they feel the minor sting of racism in a humorous reality based video only points directly to how numb they are to the racism going on around them all the time and everyday. But their ignorance is what made the video funny in the first place.

  • QON

    How can something be reverse racism?

  • cupcakes and shiraz

    I think white folks are offended over the video because the truth hurts.

  • grace

    I chuckled at the journalisn camp reference because I have been there too! Twice actually.

    I watched it on youtube and the racist responses are unbelieveable. People were using every racial slur and phrase under the sun trying to put black people “in their place.” smh

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  • Eccentricism

    Of course white women don’t enjoy this. It insults their status as “untouchable” in the spectrum of racial comedy.

    For the most part, I think the “double standard” is pointed out simply because they want to claim unequal treatment as equally as other minorities. A side effect is, since they are not an oppressed minority, it seems relatively comical when complaints are made about their own satire.

  • Cocoa Report

    I feel that people just want to complain about something. I have had white friends that have said some of comments in that video. I don’t know why people are taking it personally. She didn’t say anything that was harmful or disrespectful.

  • Kacey

    Well said!

    I think a major part of this is that whites (especially so-called liberal whites) are in deep denial about their own racial attitudes. They constantly congratulate themselves on being open-minded, tell everyone they know that they voted for Obama, and keep a running tally of all the black people they know. I am actually more suspicious of liberal whites than conservatives. I think conservatives are more willing to admit their prejudices and, ironically, they are thus in a better position to be re-educated than those who deny they have a problem.

  • ash

    This needs to be posted at racialicious and/or Jezebel. Its important to get it out there. Even though I know at Jezebel they still would not get the point.

  • Bee

    Truth hurts, I guess.

  • lovelygurl23

    I wouldn’t be surprised if some of these white women were the same ones laughing it up when they were watching Norbit, Madea, Big Mama’s House. It’s all good and funny when you’re watching another group of women be degraded and humiliated by a man in a fat suit. but let the joke be on them (white chicks / shallow hal) and they cry “reverse racism” go have a seat and learn from the vid and make sure you don’t pull that crap on black women.

    it’s almost as if they are saying this doesn’t happen to black women…newsflash it does! and I would say 50% of her comments in the vid I have heard and experienced from white women.

  • Perverted Alchemist

    As a person who has been around a lot of White women (And I’m still around them being that I live in Auburn, Alabama), I can honestly say the video is dead on- and funny as hell, to boot. The way I see it, the only people that are getting offended at the video are the ones who are guilty of such behaviors.

    Though the video was in reference to Black Women, what White Women say to a person of another race isn’t gender specific. In fact, I experienced a lot of the same stuff as a man (Give or take a few references to genatalia and sex drive here and there, LMAO!!!!). I don’t think that White Women are aware at how ridiculous they sound when they interact with people- especially if it’s with a person of another race.

  • Mr. Man

    Man I’m right there with on that one, I too have heard all the same stuff from both WM and WW and I live in a very diverse community (bay area Cali).

    The video was spot on, heck the girl portrayed the role so well I forgot she was black LOL.

  • jamesfrmphilly

    i don’t pay much attention to what white people say……

  • LemonNLime

    Let me tell you what, if there is something white folks love it is to be offended by something. Many of them know, whether they care to admit it or not, that benefit from white privileged in this country therefore can’t complain much and because of their history with POC in this country there are certain things they can’t or shouldn’t say or do because it is deemed taboo. So when they think they have a chance to yell about “reverse racism”, which isn’t a thing, or feel like they can hope on the “I’m a victim too” gravy train they will!

    While I wasn’t a fan of the video, solely because of the fact that I am just kinda over the “S*%$ ____ Say” motif, I could certainly relate. I grew up around white people and spend most of my life being the token so I can tell you I have heard those dumb comments and questions plus some including:

    Do black women produce chocolate breast milk?
    Why do black people get colored tattoos when it just is going to mess up the color?
    How can you figure out which one you like since you all have brown skin and black eyes and hair? There is no variation?

    Sadly, I am not joking either. Any white person upset about this video is using this as a chance to, for once in their life, be able to cry foul based solely on political correctness OR because they don’t like being call out by the truth. But hey if they want the opportunity to be able to cry foul at YT videos, that will probably no longer be popular 5 weeks from now, I will gladly trade them that in order to control the financial, educational, social, and political systems of this country.

  • kidole

    *snap *snap! Your commentary was beautiful and Ramsey’s response was great!

  • apple

    Becky now you know how we feel everyday of our existence .what do your people say about such things? “get over it”? Yes GET OVER IT

  • Melissa Sipin

    A fantastic and must-read article. Thank you for this, Clutch Magazine, Tami Winfrey Harris, and Chescaleigh. <3

  • Girl

    Cant say I care that those cunts are offended. On YT they all whioned “I wonder what would happen if a white girl did the same to black women”..who the phuck is stopping yall? Hypocritical twats.

  • Franchesca

    This piece is incredible. One of the best I’ve read yet. Thank you so much for getting it and sharing your experience. We’ve got a long way to go, but I’m honored to have opened the door to start the conversation with friends, accentuates and co-workers with a laugh.

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    forgive me, typing on my iphone

  • complexity

    To anyone that says this only happen in the south, well I predicted some of these and have heard many of them and I am from the midwest. This was an excellent article. It ties in to the larger social context in which these comments arise.

    I think being curious and awkward around those of different races is going to happen if you are having actual dialogues with someone, especially for the first time. I’ve said some stupid stuff around my Latina and Asian friends. I don’t fault people for being uninformed. But, as this article says, we need to examine ourselves and our privileges. Black girls too. Some of us have heterosexual privilege, class privilege, Christian privilege, living in America privilege, etc.

  • Jo

    I’m am in extreme LOVE with this online magazine…and even more in love with its writers!..Tami you have spoken like a true genius. I actually like to define racism as Prejudice plus Power, so when the argument of reverse racism is really moot to me. Quite frankly issues of white microagressions towards black people have to be addressed since we also have a whole slew of issues WITHIN our community to grapple with after that (i.e. color complex-moving from white skin privilege to light skin privilege)….As the article insist “The least we can ask of anti-racist friends is that they be willing to sit with the discomfort of analyzing their own racial privilege.” I am less optimistic about this proposition as this country consistently assists in the wiping away of black history and stands unapologetic about slavery doting it as a thing of the past (I even hear black people saying this today) and we wonder why we can’t find solutions to our problems (we no longer know where we or our problems came from)..smh!

  • Mr Jay

    Not only was that clip funny but it was pretty accurate but ooooh people so sensitive.

  • Shakira

    I never comment on pieces on here but you are right on the ball with this piece. Thank you for injecting a bit of common sense into this situation. I’m so sick of hearing this ‘reverse racism’ crap.

  • Janell Necole

    This is a great article. Thank you! Great quotes and great points and I am all over the micro-aggressions. Wow. Thank you. :)

  • The Taker

    First: I’ve seen this video like 50 times and it was FUNNY each and every time. Franchesca is freaking hilarious.

    Next: This video is not only funny, but it is the bloody truth. I’m from and live in NYC and white chicks say the same crap out here. Exhibit A being my co-worker. Everything said in that video, she probably has said about 90% of that stuff. The only thing she hasn’t did was touch my hair or say “you’re pretty for a black girl”. I’m pretty period.

    White women love to play victims, sweet mercy. They say it time and time again, a hit dog will always holler. And that is surely the truth. Maybe if they truly thought about what they say and evaluated their actions, Franchesca wouldn’t have had to make this painfully funny and truthful video.

  • Nikesha

    Each video from “Shit Black Girls Say” to “Shit Black Gays Say” to even “Shit Baby Mamas Say” and “Shit Southern Guys Say” is steeped in stereotype; and sometimes it’s stereotypes about the group by the group being stereotyped. That doesn’t make the stereotypes okay it just goes to show how much of a one dimensional view we sometimes have of each other and of ourselves.

  • Karianna

    I grew up in the Northern Midwest and I am now living (and raising my daughters) in Southern California. I have to say THANK YOU for this article because it is something that I too have experienced, but when I’ve talked about it, I get stuff like “You are over-reacting” or “I’ve never seen that happen” (implying that it’s, therefore, not true.) In High School, I was one of a handful of students of color (and I am biracial which opens a whole new dimension) and it was odd what some would say as if it were common place (especially about my hair being “good.”) College was even more interesting as it seemed I was not black enough for the blacks, so I had very few black friends in college. Thankfully, things are much different here in SoCal! I am glad that I found this mag!!

  • Aaminah

    I am a non-Black woman of color, and I have heard every single one of the things said in this video said by white “liberal”/”Feminist” women to Black women my whole life. Over and over. There was nothing “new” in what was presented, so white women need to stop denying that this stuff goes on constantly throughout this entire country (and I believe in many/most other countries as well). We can’t stop these microaggressions from happening if we won’t admit that they are real to begin with, and I do know plenty of proudly IDing women of color who say the same sort of things about/to Black women as well.

    This is an excellent article that I hope can reach the ears that need to hear it most.

  • Shinobi

    I loved this video! I’m a white girl, I’m not offended. But I’m probably not offended because I DON”T say any of the stuff in that clip. Why on earth would I want to touch someone else’s hair? It’s hair. Silly white people.

    (Oh except for the thing about having a racist grandma, because damn, my Grandma is a big racist. This is where it gets into this whole awkward thing where I know a lot of racist people, and I call them out on their racist crap. I realize it is probably not helpful to mention this to my minority friends and I usually try not to, but it does sometimes come up, and then I feel bad. Sorry friends!)

  • iQgraphics

    Honestly Q, I don’t think it logically can.
    To admit/claim “reverse racism”, that automatically means racism in itself, exists.
    And to admit that your type of racism is the “reverse of a ‘normal’, ‘stereotypical’, racism” admits that there is a ‘hierarchy’ with respect to race.

    The term is moronic and inherently more racist than the term “racist”.

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  • iQgraphics

    The only thing wrong with Checa’s Vid was this:
    When white girl picked up the gold bag and said “this is so ghetto”, the next shot should have been of her trying the bag on or purchasing it.

    Because they mock, they they copy and claim it for themselves.

  • TheBestAnonEver, Part 2

    iQ: Can I borrow your whole comment. I am going to past this verbatim anytime I see anyone use the nonsensical phrase ‘reverse racism’.

  • Cree

    Excellent point about if a male had done this video…

  • TheBestAnonEver, Part 2

    I agree with everything you have written. For so many liberal whites, being anti-racist is not about elimination racism to the benefit of people of color, it is to make sure they cast themselves in the story. They need to constantly be the focus of attention.

    I think liberal whites are the worst.

  • Tammy

    I’ve never seen so many hypocritical statements in my life.

  • iQgraphics

    @ BestAnon
    it’s all yours

  • TheBestAnonEver, Part 2

    Those ones are as dense as door knobs. They are better suited to just rating Angelina Jolie’s dress on the red carpet.

  • iQgraphics

    *then they copy

  • Christo Clifford

    Just discovered this and video is new to me a white older woman in the UK. My knee jerk reaction is ‘ I hope I don’t do anything like this’. My second is, ‘Whoah, maybe I do and am not aware of it. I have a good good friend of Afro Carribean heritage who I must ask to be honest with me.
    Thanks truly enlightening

  • CurlyInTheA

    Spot on! Loved this article, and its analysis. Will def use this when those convos about why white people can’t do X,Y,Z, but black people can! Now, my question is this: Does anyone feel some kinda way when white people in professional settings use the word, “ghetto”, as in “this is so ghetto!” I don’t feel good when it’s said, but I don’t quite know how to check them. I feel some kinda way about it and it just doesn’t sit right with me. On one hand, I want to say — and have said — I grew up in what is clearly today the ghetto or hood, so why does everything ghetto have to be bad? I’m not, and it’s almost like ghetto is the catchphrase for “bad.” It’s almost like I feel that black people can say something is ghetto but white people can’t — unless they are from it. Like it’s a black ghetto card? But then again I’m like, I will never hide how I came up, but it’s not necessary to go out of my way to “claim” it in mixed company either, because I don’t have to prove street cred to any damn body! Any advice? What would you say?

  • Huh?

    The paragraph regarding the weight of “cute for a black girl” reminded me of a brief chat I had with a white guy who easily let a “cute for a white guy” comment stroke his ego before it rolled off his back. I told him a comment like that to me would be offensive. I’m sure he doesn’t understand why but hopefully he made a mental note under “things not to say to Black women”.

    People (in general) have no idea how dumb they sound. A lot of things said in the video, I’ve heard myself. Great job, Tami and Franchesca.

  • Lina

    It’s always to see how minorities, especially Black people have to deal with microaggressions daily, but when the issue turns to white people, it’s a problem. If the video bothers you, ask yourself, why? Do you do these things? Do you see how annoying it is?

    In essence,
    It’s hilarious, to me, when people tell or social signal to others to watch their mouths and actions, but get offended when they (themselves) have to.

  • mikey kun

    I loved reading this and Franchesca’s video has pretty much made my week

  • Lara Oppenheimer

    This is an EXCELLENT article that extends & enhances the conversation Franchesca Ramsey brought to the table with her video. Both Ramsey & Harris are speaking from positions of self-respect and honesty and it seems to me, they are also speaking with love. Thank you, ladies, for your courage to share your truths with strength, love & humor! And thank you for your invitation to me as a white woman to examine the fears & prejudices that live unconsciously in my heart – I accept!

  • Sarah

    I can’t imagine being offended at this video – I’ve heard these things said, and I live in the Bay Area for crying out loud. I’m hoping I’ve never said something as clueless as what’s in the vid, but either way this white girl laughed her ass off.

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  • jamesfrmphilly

    go for it gurl……peace and blessings

  • Lara Oppenheimer

    Just fyi, I’m white and my first thought is what about asking the person, “What does that mean?” It puts it on them to define the word they are using, to OWN what they are saying. If they are sensitive, it will be a learning moment and there might be the possibility of an honest conversation. Or not! But at least they have to stop and consider the words they use.

  • Ali

    After that “Nigger Bitch” episode these white women got a taste of their own medicine now “get over it!”

  • caffeineadddict

    I really have no idea why more people aren’t incredibly angry about the way this video draws on sexist stereotypes to draw attention to racist memes. The original video being parodied was also misogynistic. Sexist stereotypes are oppressive to all women ( and, inter alia, men), regardless of how they identify racially. I understand this woman was trying to imitate the character in the original video to send it up. However by casting a woman, who really plays out the the ‘ditzy’, blonde, stupid stereotype of a particular ‘type’ of woman to the max, the clip seems to be, 1) disavowing the intersection between sexism and racism, and 2) recapitulating to, rather than challenging, the sexism in the original video.

    ‘But “Shit white girls say…” is centered on racial privilege and that is what much of the push back seems to ignore’

    Well sure, but another significant form of privilege is certainly gender privilege, and a discussion of this seems to be completely omitted from this post. I find this surprising, given how tightly bound up they obviously are with each other in the clip ( I would assume many of those people laughing are not just chuckling at the stupidity and ridiculousness of racial stereotypes, but also the ‘ditzy’ dumb blonde stereotype being manipulated to convey the message).

  • MeiLin Miranda

    I am a “white girl.” I have probably in my 50 years said one of those things (I HOPE TO GODS NOT but who knows). I thought it was hilarious and needed to be said. Nothing racist about it. I would add a “you go, girl,” but really…

  • Tami Winfrey Harris

    I’ve written a bit on the sue of “ghetto” as an adjective. I actually think it’s race-biased no matter who uses it:

    ” But the idea that black = poor and urban = deficient, i.e. “ghetto,” is too much a part of the mainstream’s consciousness to be funny. We’re long past Merriam-Webster now. “Ghetto” these days doesn’t mean merely “a quarter of a city in which members of a minority group live because of social, legal or economic pressure.” In commonly-used American slang, the word has turned from noun to adjective, and in doing so, has come to illustrate the country’s race and class biases.

    A look at Urban Dictionary reveals the most popular definitions of “ghetto” invoke not only predominately black, poor, urban areas, but also ideas of “inferior quality.” (Or, specifically, the inferior quality of the culture of poor, black, urban folk.) One definition suggests the word means “jury-rigged” or “half-assed.” Another reads like a hackneyed bit from BET’s Comic View, describing “ghetto” as “Yelling at your boo in the middle of the street…Dressing for work like you are going to the club…Wearing house slippers outside the house…Flashing money you don’t have instead of making your money last…Running from the cops for no reseaon just to see if they can catch you” Some synonyms offered for “ghetto,” based on reader-submitted definitions: hood, black, gangsta, nigger, poor, nigga, rap, slang, cool, urban, thug, drugs, cheap, stupid, bitch, pimp, dirty, slut, ugly…”

    More here:

  • savegendertalkforgendertalk

    One your a caffeine addict so your level of comprehension is most likely low…two…you are either a white girl who says 90 percent of these things mentioned or a second year grad student dying to have a cause..any cause..
    Clearly the vid is centered on racial privilege because guess what..that’s what is being parodied duhh…not to mention blonde hair is most characteristic to white women so no worries on the blonde ditz being offensive to most other women.

  • Bumps

    Addict, please feel free to go sit your behind in the corner after your beautiful example of “white woman tears.” You really made yourself look like a grand ol’ victim too bad no one truly gives a f**k about your simple-minded crying.

    Did it ever dawn on you that the reason you feel she’s using the “dumb and blonde” stereotype because people in US society think “ditzy” means “awkward and unware” or “naive” (depending on person)?
    How about the fact that maybe to a POC (like myself), a white person stereotyping black people looks like a stereotypical ignorant-ass white person in our eyes? And if you don’t believe me, please feel free to believe when I tell your ass you damn sure do.

    I’m gonna assume none of those went through the mind of your victimizing “I can’t stick to the subject at hand” ass? I hope it does now. Be sure to let it stick.

  • TheBestAnonEver, Part 2

    Lara: I like your response, but have to tell you it never really works as well as it should. I have been in situations like that and when I have innocently questioned the reasoning behind a statement and they stop to think about my question, I get the wiping away of fake tears and the assertion that they are not bad people or are not racist. Mind you, I never accused them of any of that. Before you know it, other white men/women are coming to their defense against the horrible black girl that asked a six word question. You obviously must live in a wonderful place if you do not know how manipulative and prone to playing on their privilege some white women can get. Sometimes, I think the act of playing on their privilege is so ingrained they don’t know when they do it. It is as ingrained as other white people’s (man/woman/child) need to jump to protect them even in situations where they are the verbal or physical aggressors.

    CurlyInTheA: please report back if you use Lara’s tips. I am curious to hear just how that conversation went. I want to be pleasantly surprised and read the person thought about it and at the very least stopped using the word even without acknowledging it.

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  • bekah

    I never heard the term “microagression” but it finally puts a name to the many instances that have occurred in my life.

    For example: This past holiday I spent Christmas in Vegas. While prancing through one of the casinos in an intoxicated bliss with my homegirl, I wished a gentleman (who just so happened to be non-black) a “Merry Christmas.” In a similarly inebriated state he replied back with “Happy Kwanza.”

  • Sarah

    With all due respect, Caffeine Addict, but she did not use a “bimbo” stereotype of a woman in her video. It’s that simply, no matter how intelligent someone may claim him/herself to be, they will sound stupid to a POC when they reinforce microaggressions.

    Sexism hurts everyone sure, but white women have privilege due to their race. The sexism that’s being portrayed here is what white women do to WOC (feeling their hair, talking about their skin etc.) Sexism does not manifest itself in the same way for every person. On a daily basis white women, who are privileged due to their race (and their privilege will intersect with their gender too), will harm WOC/ POC with their privilege. She is not mentioning that only a “specific” type of white girl says racist things. The title of her video is expansive and indicates that this is rampant problem and that white women need to stop doing this.

    So sure, let’s discuss gender privilege, and specifically why white women have gender privilege over WOC and how asking “can I feel your hair,” is a gendered microaggression. But don’t feel offended if I’m not interested in talking about how “we’re all equally oppressed.” We’re not. As a white woman you have privilege. You’re illustrating your privilege right now by saying, as a white woman, that POC are explaining race in the wrong way. If you consider yourself an ally then seriously, stop and listen. Listen to what WOC/POC are telling you. Don’t try and override their views with your white experiences. Intersectionality is about understanding that oppression will affect people differently. This is not a video that has ignored gender at the expense of race; this is a video that mocks white women for being racist (and sexist!)

  • iQgraphics

    Just an FYI
    Ghetto’s are where Jews lived originally.
    Then the term became “ethnic ghetto”

  • iQgraphics

    stupid racial stereotypes?
    That’s why this video was made.

    to showcase the stupid racial stereotypes that white girls have and put on black women.

    um, that’s the point of it all.

    And if you are meaning the blond ditzy thing and ONLY suggesting that as the “stupid racial stereotype” used here, then you are MISSING THE ENTIRE POINT.

  • Coco

    I thought it was funny & very true especially from what I have experienced. Do I represent the ENTIRE BLACK RACE. Please I had a white girl tell me she just “loved the way you people dance” WTF & always stared like I was an animal at the zoo. I have so many stories I could have added another fifteen minutes to this video.

    Job well done Ramsey, maybe it will open up some eyes so people will think before they speak

  • nikki

    I think this is what it looks like when someone becomes embarrassed. You deflect the attention to someone else. Instead of feeling like it was done maliciously, how about you take a look at it and learn from it. Although it was done in humor, I’m sure the creator as well as many other black women didn’t find it so funny when they had similar comments directed at them. I myself had some of those same comments made towards me, and who said that there would be a problem if they wanted to do “sh** black girls say to white girls” if that gets the floor open so be it! However, I don’t understand how any portion of that video could be considered racist. Since when is saying what comments have been made to you.. make YOU a racist?!?

  • purplekeychain

    if someone made ‘shit black girls say to white girls’ and it was funny, i’d laugh. i’d love to see it.

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  • Raja

    If someone replies to the hilarious and spot-on “What white girls say” with anything resembling a “yes, but” they’re missing the point. And re-directing the conversation to make it about them (i.e., white people). It’s exactly like the MRA’s who troll women’s forums who immediately post with “Yes, but what about [insert your masculine complaint about feminists here]). Those who might feel a twinge feel the need to hijack the conversation and redirect it back to what whites think/feel.

    This meme is a smart way of making a cogent commentary on what people from a position of privilege can say thoughtlessly. It’s important to admit our privilege and recognize that sensitivity isn’t about political-correctness; it’s about recognizing that your position isn’t the only one, much less the ‘correct’ center.

  • binks

    Agreed 100%!! As others mention at the end of the day the truth hurts, you can claim a foul but are you reallly calling it on yourself or on us for noticing it and saying something….but I had a feeling that this video was going to get flock it was all fun and games to mock black women and such but as soon as the tables are turn on a non black woman it’s a foul or unfair…sighs but loving the article and comments

  • BeautyIAM

    Anyone who found this offensive has to be dense when it comes to racial issues in America. I read some of the comments on Jezebel and I thought some of them were so sad and pathetic. People have to realize that most of us have some form a privilege. For example, I know I have “thin” privilege. Calling out another persons privilege is not a crime so people just need stop.

    For the women that are White and getting offended, please just be quiet and listen. Its laughable to turn around the conversation of your own ignorance and deflect the damn conversation to yourself being a victim of abuse or discrimination. It just makes you look guilty as hell when you want to excuse someone else experience, but automatically talk about how you were “bullied” because of your skin color. I don’t get why some of these White women act like they are so untouchable when it comes to discussing how ignorant some of them can be. Beyond sad is what it is.

    I really like Francesca and that woman is going places. Kudos to her and the author for making people uncomfortable.

  • realitycheck

    I honestly don’t think she was intending to use the “dumb blonde” sterotype, but it makes perfect sense to use a blonde wig. Any other color (black or brunette) would be far to close to what black womens traditional hair color is (brunette not so much, but blonde obviously signify s shes mimicking a white woman). Traditionally, blonde hair is associated with white women.

  • SonneillonV

    I watched this video to learn something. I was very relieved that most of the stuff in the video was stuff I’d never said, but I still appreciated being made aware of it so I could pay extra attention. I winced at the stuff I have said and resolved to do better in the future.

    I’m not going to claim it was a pleasant experience, but it honestly wasn’t that hard. How hard is listening, really?

  • tinfoil hattie

    OMG that video IS AWESOME.

    Other white people: STFU and quit whining. You are NOT oppressed.

  • Alex

    Hey Bekah:

    Completely understand how wishing one a “Happy Kwanzaa” could be considered a micro-aggression. Just wanted to point out that this inebriated man could have possibly been Jewish, or even Islamic, in which case – your well wishes could have been misconstrued as a micro-aggression as well. Just food for thought. Lest, we run the gambit of being hyper-politically correct. Feel me?

  • tinfoil hattie

    “cunts” – that is insulting. A hilarious video parody of things white girls say? Not so much.

    But “cunts” – that’s bad.

  • Alex

    Hey Addict:

    Completely understand the intersections of race, gender and socio-economic privilege. However, in this case I sincerely feel as though you are over reaching. This is a video made about what white GIRLS/WOMEN say to black GIRLS/WOMEN, thereby making your point that invalid to me. Both groups are women in this instance. Correct me if I am wrong. The points made ^^^^^ elaborated a lot more but if you cannot see this, then I really don’t have the time to explain.

  • forserious?

    Wait, seriously, fellow white girls? Are you seriously going to tell me that you have never said (or at least thought) some of these things? Because I have done both, and I’m a pretty progressive white gal – I even knew what microaggressions were *before* I read this article. When I saw this video for the first time it made me laugh, but also made me really sad because I recognized the truth in it, in myself, and how far I/we all have to go. Which is, I think, the point of intelligent parody. Well played, Ms. Ramsey — and Ms. Harris.

  • Elizabeth

    I love it! This white girl appreciates the reflection. Thanks for the great video!

  • Vee

    white ppl have such a sense of entitlement…i swear

  • Lee

    White Whine.

  • Yep!

    There’s avideo called “Shit Girls Say to Gay Guys” linked to this one which parallels this. Wonder what the white girls will have to say to that.

  • Courtney

    I don’t see why ANYONE is offended by this video. Tami, I think you hit the nail on the head. Commercials and television shows and movies use stereotypes – against POC – especially women – CONSTANTLY but it goes largely unnoticed because we’ve become so used to it. I thought the video was great because it opened people’s eyes to the cultural insensitivities all around us. I’m white and while I cannot speak for every white woman I think that people should be a little more open minded about this video, laugh at the humor, and reflect on the insensitive things we often say, after all, that’s what Ramsey wanted. But of course when white people are targeted in anything we have to pick it apart and search for any sign of a “stereotype” and cry “reverse racism.” Let’s face it, this video is in no way racist, it’s the truth.

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  • funkadelic

    love this article. I experienced the same thing in college myself. Also reminds me of Racial Contract by Charles Mills. When you say, “The discussion is hard because it requires good, well-meaning people to admit to and examine their own racial privilege…” it reminds me of issues addressed in Racial Contract when Charles Mills states, “All whites are beneficiaries of the Contract, though some whites are not signatories to it” (p. 11).

    All in all, I think a lot of the defensiveness comes from guilt — at least at a sub conscious level. No one wants to admit their own prejudices or hangups. But the first step to this huge social problem is to open discussion on it. Kudos to you for contributing to that dialogue!

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  • Amavra

    I really hope I never said anything like this, but it is possible as a child. It certainly doesn’t excuse it – as even unintended offenses are offensive. By middle school my only real close friend was black and she was one of very few black girls in the school (they eventually moved due to the unrelenting racism of the area). I did like her hair and the way her hair products smelled, and i hope I wasn’t foolish about it. I grew up with the privilege of being racially ignorant – ignorant that racism still existed and that i had white privilege. That changed by middle school, though I certainly still put my foot in my mouth since then.

    I think a friend of mine could make a What White girls say to Indian girls video. I think I’d be quoted more than a few times *ugh my stupid mouth sometimes*. I think if white girls/ women were able to acknowledge that they say stupid things sometimes, laugh at themselves and move on that interracial friendships would be easier since the WOC would feel more comfortable pointing it out. Some things are just plain rude and offensive no matter what – don’t people learn manners (pretty for a ____ girl wtf?!!) White girls really need a wake up call, so thank you.

    Do you get a lot of comments about Obama? Its kind of like the new Oprah I think, I hear white people bring up Obama (they voted for him, he is awesome, he sucks but not cause I am racist, etc) to black people a lot.

  • Val

    What would happen is she would get double the views in half the time, have less dislikes and be more talked about than Chescas video

  • C H Aguero

    I couldn’t disagree more here. I am a person of color, staunchly liberal, gay, and proudly feminist, and I felt like “pushing back” against this video. As an academic, I am well aware of privilege, contrary to what is written here. Too often, however, the privilege and all its baggage is used to counter reverse-racism (which is, if we’re frank, just racism).

    Privilege, as those presumably without privilege perceive it, does not mitigate the real racism and ignorance that spews just as easily from people of color, from minorities, and, yes, sadly, from feminists, who ourselves have prejudices to work out. If we don’t call it as we seem, we don’t just runt he risk of being perceived as possessing a double standard standard, we are, in fact, living that double standard.

    Racism generalizations are wrong no matter who perpetuates. Privilege may help us understand the context in which racism occurs, but it never exonerates the offender.

  • Joe

    What the hell is reverse racism? Racism is racism. The reverse of racism would be loving someone whos of a different race. That being said, I, as a “white person” was rolling for hours at that video I think its hysterical

  • ahimsa

    Thanks for this article. I do think it’s important to continue talking about race. My hope is that having more online (and in person) discussions about race will provoke more thoughtful comments and questions instead of just defensive reactions. But maybe that’s just the optimist in me.

    I’m always surprised by the number of folks who switch black and white in these situations (e.g., folks who ask what if the video were “Sh*t black girls say to white girls?”) as if there was some sort of exact symmetry in society between black people and white people. Not only does it ignore all the differences in how the world is experienced by people of different races it also erases anyone who does not identify with one of these two identities. It’s as if these folks don’t acknowledge that any other racial identity even exists. Why is that?

    It seems to me that the very idea of race, and how it is defined and explained, is complicated. Because race is a social construct, all of these racial categories change over time and vary from country to country. All it takes is a moment of thought to realize that this is complicated topic. And yet it feels like these people don’t want to think very hard, they want things to be simple. But maybe that’s just my own frustration talking and there’s some other factor at work here.

  • aisha1908

    I am so glad you brought up microaggressions. the video wasn’t funny – it was truthful & reminded me of all the hurtful microaggressions I have heard from strangers, colleagues, classmates. It hurts. and I am grateful for the dialogue this video opened up! I just wish that rather than being told to “deal with it” or that we are committing “reverse racism” by pointing out how microaggression-using white women demean us, that these commenters would be open to scaling back on their privilege.

  • chinaza

    Like that comment from Tim Wise.
    Blacks don’t have the power to be truly “racist”.
    And the video was plain amusing.

  • Girl

    Mission accomplished, tinhat hattie

  • Mathghamhain Cavanough

    One thing that I think needs mentioning is that America was created on the backs of minorities, be them of African heritage, Hispanic or Latin cultures, from countries in Asia, and even white minorities. To say that one of the differences between the whites and African Americans is historical context, I believe you’re wrong. Some of these “white” peoples (the white people who are unhappy with the video) ancestors were treated just as unfairly, with the predjudices against catholics, jews, Irish, Russain, Italians, and Eastern European countries. These people were indentured sevants, were only allowed to work dangerous jobs, forced to live in ghettos, killed, their churches burned, forced out of their homelands, riddled with disease….Your parents can remember their injustices and racism, my relatives can remember injustice as well, getting beat up in the city for being catholic, their churches being vandalized,ect. That is, my American cousins. I do feel that racism and microagression taint the Western world, but I would not limit these to just one group, especially when cultures in America, such as Native Americans, are still trying to gain equal rights and representation. Anyway, there’s a lot of work to be done world wide to educate, inform, and respect all peoples. There are many many microagressions towards African Americans, I do not disagree in the slightest, I just disagree that what differs in the microagressions in the races is a historical context. Predjudice is predjudice,and America has more than one story that can break your heart.

  • Ms. A

    I agree!! There have been numerous times that I have had not only females but just people who are having conversations with me who make comments that are offensive as we saw in the video.It’s not okay and instead of people getting upset they should realize that there is truth in the video and instead of trying to fight it look at the issues and address them..There was nothing rude said about white women and it’s not reversed racism, it’s a way of speaking out. People should listen

  • Lena

    Great article–pg. 2 really hit the nail on the head…

  • slamela

    omg, she is so well spoken, you know. for a…………..

    lame, I hate that one too. I am a white girl and acknowledge that i have accessed my white privilege over and over. I am ashamed of the whole thing, yet I have done it. I think it speaks to my passive racism that is somehow deeply imbedded into my psyche until i am presented with it and have to admit it and deal with it. Am i better at it? I don’t know. I don’t want to be mean or selfish or bigoted. I will continue to educate myself and challenge my own level of racism that exists (living in Hawaii it often presents itself as disdain for people of Japanese ancestry) I will work on being present in my own thoughts and actions.

  • Julio Ricardo Varela

    This is a very well-written and thought-provoking post that is on the same level as any NYTimes journalist. Well done. A lot to chew on.

  • Andy Herrera

    Couldn’t that apply to any racial group? I’m Mexican and have had all my friends of different races ask me the craziest questions. you could do it something like,

    shit (add ethnic grp) say to (add ethnic grp)

  • Elaine

    There’s no such thing as “reverse racism,” unless you mean lack of racism. The term “Racism” defines a form of discrimination in language or action against a group to which you do not belong. Let’s stop using this incorrect term. Racism IS Racism. Period. Thanks.

  • Steven

    I both do and do not agree with the gist of this article. I do hear plenty of ignorant comments from other whites about issues of race, some of which would amount to microaggressions. But I vehemently reject the premise that only white people are capable of microaggressions. Contrary to what the author claims, there are many situations in which African Americans and other minorities actually hold more power (or privilege, if you prefer to call it that) than whites and are perfectly capable of exercising that power. I am a white guy living in a neighborhood that is 60 percent black, 30 percent Hispanic, and only 10 percent white. I experience racially tinged rudeness and hostility from African Americans every single day of my life–because power is contextual, and in this particular context African Americans hold more power than I do. A short, skinny, queer white kid in a black neighborhood is not powerful; he’s vulnerable. Granted, this situation is an extreme and unusual one, but it’s not a total anomaly. It’s worth remembering that we live in a country where the president is biracial, although he identifies himself as black, and where highly placed black politicians, business people, and entertainers have ceased to seem anomalous. I think that honest people need to confront the fact that racial dynamics are more complicated than they used to be; it’s no longer true that in all situations whites are the more powerful group; aggression can and does flow in many different directions.

  • Vertigo Schtick


    I agree somewhat… Like up to your fourth sentence and then you lost me.

    “Contrary to what the author claims, there are many situations in which African Americans and other minorities actually hold more power (or privilege, if you prefer to call it that) than whites and are perfectly capable of exercising that power.”

    No. Straight White Males hold power, will always hold more power, and continue to hold more power than ANY minority. Just because you feel a tinge of discomfort does not mean Blacks as a whole have the power to disarm you. In Society’s eye you are worth more. Your neighborhood is not a reflection of what happens to the majority. In fact your situation sounds completely atypical…

    “[...] I experience racially tinged rudeness and hostility from African Americans every single day of my life–because power is contextual, and in this particular context African Americans hold more power than I do”

    That makes you outnumbered, and yes you experience more racism, but I highly doubt you as a white male have less power. In any situation. Denying this is to completely ignore your privilege. Sorry.

    Your fourth sentence is on point though. A straight black male has more privilege than maybe like one group. Which would be any non-heterosexual persons– as race is more important than sexuality. He is also more privileged than his female counterpart– as the male gender is still highly regarded as the better sex. I just wish you didn’t have to frame everything in the context of your whiteness…

  • Sarah

    This is a great article! Very well writen. Thank you!

  • Srenda

    Hey Steven,

    Do you live in a gentrified neighborhood? Like Greenpoint, Brooklyn or Williamsburg? If so, I’m wondering if that’s why you might be experiencing rudeness and hostility as your presence there might indicate that the neighborhood is getting “better” thus pushing out lower income blacks who have been there a lot longer. And if this is the case, then who holds the real power? For these reasons, perhaps they might interpret your presence, your fear of them, your unconscious prejudices as an act of hostility? I hear you, in terms of you being queer and the homophobia that exists in all communities (especially poorer communities and not just black ones) however you are still male and white which suggests you have much more privilege in this society. I guarantee you black male queers have a whole lot of other ish to deal with and then forget about black lesbians. I don’t want to play “whose oppression is greater “and I agree with you it is all very complex but when you come from a position of power in this society simply by being male and white it is imperative to try to put yourself in the shoes of those who are not and examine the prejudices you may carry.

  • Neferkare

    What is white priviledge? The vast majority of poor in this country is white in total numbers. The vast amount of people on welfare or who use food stamps are white. Now as far as beauty standard each race can declare their own race as most beautiful, The white race have no advantage in this type of propaganda. Secondly to lack melanin in the skin or keratin in the hair which makes it spiral is not factually beautiful. To have thin lips instead of full lips and a flat behind instead of a full round one is not factually beautiful. To move with a arkwark gait instead of in rhythm is not factually beautiful. The trick is to convince others that they disadvantage is a advantage and thus a priviledge is to commit the greatest hozx possible. Now money is a great invention and tool and those who control and distribute it are powerful but others can do the same and that is why Quadaffi was killed, he wanted to establish a central bank Africa bank and a central Caribbean bank and his own arabic people from qatar had him killed with help from the west.

  • Vertigo Schtick

    There are more white people in America than black people. Of course there would be more poor white people. But in relation to each race’s size– blacks are significantly poorer on a whole.

    Also black people are less likely to apply for welfare or get it or know how to go about receiving it. Try again.

    White people don’t have a monopoly on beauty standards? Oh sure, then why don’t I see more models of color– Black, Hispanic, Asian, OTHERWISE in major productions? Why can a cast be all white– like Inception– and still be lauded as a wonderful movie, but an all black movie is “too ethnic” to sell. Why do people prefer “light-skinned” or “straighter hair” or “less ethnic” looking mates then, if whites lack any power in this propaganda.

    You’re extremely vapid you know that? I can’t imagine thinking so simplistically.

  • Shannon LC Cate

    That final quote pretty much says it all. When these things happen, the people they happen to are entirely caught between a rock and a hard place, and humor is a classic, historically prevalent way of dealing with such a position.
    I worry all the time about my Black daughters being the “onlies” in various aspects of their lives, because they are being raised by white parents and are getting a privileged education that puts them in the minority at school (however well the school does at courting “diversity” and they do better than their peers).
    As a teacher at a university with only a 10% Black student body (in spite of being located in a nearly 70% Black city–its own problem) I saw too much of the problem of Black students being asked to “speak for the race.” As a teacher, it was my job to intervene in this and position myself as the expert on topics I introduced to the class (race was one) and refocus the questions to me, rather than the Black Kid in the Second Row.
    But will my children’s teachers (at every level) be so thoughtful of them? It’s doubtful all of them will be and my kids already get petted too much by the other kids at school.
    We’ve spoken to the teachers, we’ve given the girls role-play lessons about how to explain to someone that “my hair belongs to me” in the same way we teach them about the rest of their bodies and who may or may not touch them.
    I really appreciate Ramsey’s willingness to take this on publicly and provide the opportunity for those white girls (and others watching over their shoulders) to learn something without being aggressive–knowingly or otherwise–towards Black women. It’s a job no one should have to do and it’s a generous offering.

  • boo hoo

    Cry me a river!!!! This has got to be the most ironic “Victim Cry” I have ever heard! Firstly, The video is HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!
    Secondly, Black girls and their mammas are the most racist group of women I have ever encountered. Sorry but you are not all Nubian queens. :(
    Lastly, if you all weren’t so angry all the time and so quick to read someone their rights; the rest of us just might find you to be “OK”.

  • TheBestAnonEver, Part 2

    Where the hell was this article posted? We have white people and “people of color” coming out of the woodwork to lecture us on our own experiences.

    Did they even bother to read the article?

    Bigotry IS truly irrational. SMH.

  • Srenda

    Whew! You sure told us. Hmmm, I can only imagine what you would have said if you didn’t find the video, “HILARIOUS!!!!!”

  • BeautyIAM

    Okay boo hoo, yes, come to a website for black women and leave an ignorant comment. I love when people like you don’t see how you just PROVED OUR POINT. Do you even realize how dense you are? I really hope I don’t know you in real life. Its people like you who allow racism to continue. Instead of trolling sites like this ya might want to go to a search engine and find some books about the history of people of color in America.

    Why the hell are you even leaving this comment if the video was hilarious? Dense much?

  • Kel

    I think that’s the point though, instead of people owning up to their mistakes or privileges and saying, “Oh! Maybe that wasn’t the best thing to say,” people are turning it around and crying “reverse-racism.” I truly have never said any of those things – but, I grew up in a tiny, isolated little homogeneous truck-stop town full of white people, so I really never had the chance to make any of those mistakes.
    I would never hold it against anyone for saying those things as a product of their environment, upbringing, whatever – what I do dislike is people who don’t take responsibility for their privilege, and instead defend their right to keep saying offensive things instead of realizing that it makes their friends really uncomfortable.
    I think because you have a good sense of humor, a parody like this will only educate and entertain you.

  • Kacey

    @ boo hoo: *slow clap*.
    Now go crawl back into the shit hole you came out of.

  • So Over This Ish

    I agree with this statement 100%.

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  • clive

    I am going to say up front I don’t understand why some white people were offended by this video. I found it hilarious. Satires of life are great because there are kernels of truth to them, and the girl who produced the video clearly has a great eye for it.

    But I do have some issues with the tone and implications of this article. While I get the author’s intent with this article to define privilege as an important factor in determining what constitutes a racist comment, she is missing the forest through the trees. White people do not inherently see black people as beneath them. Establishing that whites have ‘privilege’, as if society has a system in place to keep black people down and white people up, is both antiquated and ludicrous, not to mention self-defeating. Did that used to exist? Yes. But decades of affirmative action and government programs, and most importantly cultural changes, have created a white population that is not anti-black and denigrating towards African-Americans. Instead, it is, simply put, indifferent.

    I know it is difficult to hear, but the only people holding back black people today are black people. Paranoid, imagined attacks from the majority culture and a desire to avoid ‘being white’ have led over the past few decades to the destruction of the African-American family, and mindset that learning and education are traits that should be avoided. The community has (generally) become an entitlement culture that blames everybody else for their problems, and then complains that people are ‘looking down on them’. Well guess what! That is not due to any sort of belief that blacks are ‘inferior’. It is due to a general disgust with what the culture has become: a slew of single parent families, rampant with crime and drug use. Italians, poles, asians, etc have all come to this country and have been discriminated against by the majority culture (at one point WASPs). Yet nobody looks down on them anymore. Why? Because they worked to make themselves something and have earned respect. It’s not racism, it’s realism- it has nothing to do with skin color or ethnicity. I would hire a qualified African-American in two seconds over a white person because I know he/she had to fight through the plantation mentality of his own community to become something, and I want to encourage that, because sadly, that is exception not the norm.

    Take for instance what happened in 2010 at a poor inner city school in South Philadelphia. The school was comprised of African-Americans and Vietnamese immigrants; the Vietnamese students were working jobs after school and still getting A’s while the African-American kids were failing out and in fact beating the Vietnamese kids up for being too ‘brainy’. Can anybody say with any credulity that the MAIN reason these students are underperforming is because of the racist ‘establishment’? Or should African-Americans maybe start looking closer to home for the problem?

    I get that it’s hard to grow up in a black community in this country and excel, or indeed, that it’s awkward to be the only black person in an affluent white community. But for Christ sake stop complaining about institutional racism, and how white people are racist for calling a spade a spade. ‘Microracisms’ only exist because many white people have (unfortunately) also gotten used to the image projected by the black community that blacks don’t do things like get an education or a white collar job. That is not because whites don’t believe that blacks CAN do this, it just surprises them because they see the opposite on a regular basis, because blacks have framed such things as ‘not-black’. As a result, when an African-American does get an education and work in that sort of job, there is an awkwardness because comments that would normally just be matter-of-fact jokes or statements about the difference of one’s appearance get tied to the black person’s community, and triggers the mindset that the white person is being racist. Of course, some comments may overstep the line. But I would say in general what the author is talking about is a paranoid, oversensitive way of framing meaningless comments.

    If there is any sort of condescension from whites/asians to blacks it is because blacks as a culture expect preferential treatment because they are ‘worse off’. That mindset in itself implies one is above the other, and it is self-defeating for blacks. Idealistic white (and asian) graduates can spend years helping kids in the inner city, but the fact of the matter is NOTHING will change unless blacks try to fix their community values and start acting like rolemodels for their children. There would be no racial ‘privilege’ in this country if African-Americans just realized deep-down that they’re as capable as any other race to succeed, and started doing something about it. Articles like this do nothing to fix this problem, and only act as a sounding board for more ‘poor me’ statements that create unwarranted and unecessary indignation at the ‘establishment’. It’s well past the time to bury this immensly stale, 40 year old conversation.

  • Srenda

    Clive, Clive, Clive, thanks for the condescending lecture you think black people haven’t heard so many times before. We’ll be sure to share it with our ghetto assed friends. Thanks for the overly insightful,and woefully original tough “love” rant. We know you understand us more than we understand ourselves. Did this video and essay strike a nerve or what. All the die hard racists and white liberal ones are just coming out of the woodwork. How long did it take you to type this rant or did you just copy and paste this from your How To Save The Black Race Documents Folder? Or did you ask yourself what Ayn Rand would say to a bunch of clueless negroes discussing shit that matters to them on a magazine website for black women? That’s it, isn’t it? Go save someone else, you hero.

  • TheBestAnonEver, Part 2

    Srenda: Kudos on you for reading it. After the first few lines, I skipped the rest. I am always amazed when white people think the bigoted nonsense they spew is brand new. We’ve heard it all before.

  • Shannon Anne Carter

    Clive, your post just proved what you were pissed about…white folks DO think that Blacks are inferior. Why else would you come on here trying to tell US about OUR experiences and what WE need/should do? Because you think you’re more intelligent. And the ignorance of your entire posts proves that to be untrue.

  • Chica

    *sigh* these comments are so incredibly discouraging. Sometimes I feel like things will never change.

  • Shannon Anne Carter

    So true! You can’t get right unless you admit you’re wrong.

    TheBestAnonPt2 said, “For so many liberal whites, being anti-racist is not about elimination racism to the benefit of people of color, it is to make sure they cast themselves in the story. They need to constantly be the focus of attention.”


  • clive

    @Shannon- No, we don’t; certainly not inherently. Racism is believing someone to be inferior because of their race- an inherent characteristic. You missed the point of the statement. Speaking in generalities of course, I said, if there is any sense of ‘looking down’ on blacks, it has been created by an entitlement mentality amongst blacks themselves, as that mentality puts them in a position to be taken care of, which is at is source condescending to them. What we have today is not racism, in the sense that whites believe blacks are at the less capable and less deserving of civil rights than they are (as it was 1660-1960 in America). Instead, what exists now is a mirroring of the sense among blacks themselves that they are inferior. It’s sad as hell. But it’s also annoying as hell to hear at this point in a country that wont even be majority white in the next decade that white racism is still the problem blacks have. It’s beyond ridiculous.

    My father worked as a teacher in the inner city for 35 years, and I have more friends than I care to count in TFA and similar programs now. African-Americans are down on THEMSELVES. The sheer negativity of the comments black students make at other students who try to raise their hand in class and act smart is depressing. It stops smart kids from trying to break out of their mold.

    @Srenda- It’s easy to call me racist because you don’t like what I’m saying. I’m sure it’s easier than making an intelligent response addressing anything. I just hope the African-American community works harder to deal with these issues, because it’s painful to watch this cancer eat away at the next generation of black students. Definitely a post-presidential topic Obama should dedicate himself to in 2012/2016.

  • R Marley

    Thanks. The wise quote by Tim Wise lernt me something I never knew before… just why reverse racism is ineffective.

  • jamesfrmphilly

    “as if society has a system in place to keep black people down and white people up”

    yes, it’s called the system of white supremacy……..

  • jamesfrmphilly

    they probably will not…….

  • Srenda

    Clive, I don’t like what you’re saying? You mean about black people? The people you seem to know and understand so well? You mean, I don’t like that you are stereotyping an entire group of people than offering a completely biased analysis of what you perceive is going on. I’m supposed to like that? I’ve been black all my life and grew up in the “inner city” went to inner city schools and even taught at a few of them. Hell, I still live in the inner city. Incarceration of black males for non-violent drug offenses is through the roof. They often attend sub-par schools (much like prisons) with teachers many from outside the communities they come from some who think very little of them (black and white) because they are unable to connect with the issues this child has to deal with on a regular basis. Look deeper into what’s going on besides regurgitating Conservative catch-phrases. How to do this? By taking a back seat and listening to what black men and women have to say regarding what they struggle with and what they want, what offends them or just go along your merry way. You coming to Clutch is an opportunity for you to open your eyes and hear the other point of view from black women and men of various socioeconomic backgrounds. Otherwise, I just don’t get why you are here. Why do you think you are suggesting new answers to problems or new perspectives on these problems? As well meaning as you think you are, you are not adding to the conversation, you are only reinforcing what this article is about. Your approach is completely off base and arrogant. Why would anyone want to discuss solutions with you? Seriously?

  • lenora

    Clive. I would have to agree. As a African American TFA teacher in Camden, the ideas my African-American and Hispanic students have about themselves and their city is seeds for self-destruction. They believe they are dumb because they are from Camden, because they are brown, because they are poor. But then I went to a private school where I didn’t know I was dumb until teachers and students alike treated me like I was. Then I started believing, while in a white culture, I was dumb. It is hard to get my students out of their mind state because the world is telling them that. We have to see ourselves and prove to ourselves that we are more than capable. However the danger is by saying this, we can give Caucasians the allowance to disengage with our struggle. Ignore the fact that is hard to combat thousands of years of White Supremacy and ego. It is a collective ego that one post on a blog won’t be able to kill. So while I see where you are coming from, some ills aren’t easy to get over. But I’m sure you challenge yourself with thoughts and conversations about this that will allow you to over stand this. I can’t teach my kids to let go of something I barely let go of. I just try to teach them they are more than any of their identifications and treat them as such.

  • HowApropos


    it’s always the ones behind the keyboard without the balls….

  • HowApropos

    then make the video and STFU…

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  • http://clutchmagonline JB

    Lenora if you agree with Clive you shouldn’t be teaching those kids. Damn shame.

  • kholmes

    Huh. The video was hilarious. It touched upon something African American women have to deal with more often than not. I think it’s really interesting that folks are upset she brought it to light. “It’s okay if we do it, as long as you don’t call us out for doing it. That would make us feel bad.”

  • Yes Sir

    Clive, how discouraging your words are. I’m not quite sure what caused you to respond the way you did, but this article shouldn’t have. I don’t know if you’re male or female, white or black or if you’re in a relationship with someone of a different race or ethnic background than yours, but you obviously feel passionate about this article. I’m a Black male from an ethnic suburb which who’s community is slowly deteriorating, financially for the ethnic population. Needless to say, the school system is beginning to fail the needs of our children due to “budget cuts” and there are new cuts every year.
    I laughed at the video but related to it because I’ve heard white girls make remarks like that in school growing up. I’ve heard retarded comments at work because they thought it was ok to bring up race in the workplace. And again, if you respond too negatively (putting them in their place), you take the chance of being “the angry Black person”…not good for your work environment.
    Once I read the article I could see that the mirror was put in the faces of the white women in America and they may not have liked what they saw. Again though, I don’t see how your anger is related to what they feel. Why your condescending rant was warranted on us Black minions. You may choose to clarify or you may choose to stand on that pedestal and look down on “us”. Whichever you way you go, just remember if you offer a plan or solution to the ills of Black folk, your words will be more welcomed.

  • Angala

    I must say I agree with clive. As a black student in an inner city school, my friends often discouraged me from class partisipation. I was always told by my peers that there was no point and school was “stupid”. Now I look at where I am at and where my friends are. I continued to get good grades, and went on to college, then grad school. I am 30 and married, with two beautiful kids. I have a nice house, in a nice part of town. An older but still reliable car and my children are well cared for, (and not by the use of welfair). Then I look at my former class mates, the majority of my female friends from school have multipul children by multipul men, they live in poor conditions, government housing, they depend on welfair, food stamps, wic, TANF, daycare vouchers, among other things. They mostly work part time jobs, which don’t make enough to pay the bills. They receive all this help from the government to make it by and better themselves and their family, but instead they squander it on shoes and clothing from expencive stores. They sell the use of their food stamp card for cash, and then at the end of the month when they have nothing left and their kids are hungry, you can find them at the free store food bank, asking for a hand out.
    I know I am very blessed to have the life I have today, and I know that not everyone will have the oppertunities that I have had.
    But I do know this for a fact: my former classmates have a strong sense of entitlement. They feel that since life has delt them a a bad hand, they deserve eberything for free and don’t have to work to improve themselves.

    When we started out in school we all had the same chances to succeed, those who chose to push themselves got what they erned, a good life. Those who chose to give up early have put themselves in a position of poverty.
    I honestly can’t blame my former classmates for all of their problems. A lot of it bagan at home for them. They didn’t have the strong FAMILY role models. They are just following in the footsteps of their parents. It makes me sick as a black female to see what our gender and race have accomplished.

    So I guess the whole point of my little rant is this: it all starts at home. If children are brought up seeing their parents depending on welfare and government assisatnce, whitout trying to better their situations, they will repeat the the cycle. Black parents need to stand and and get their lives together and set a better example for their children.

  • Tweed12

    I am an attractive black woman -toned and fit- and as a result white females (most of which are overweight) are out to destroy my reputation [which they have made quite vulgar], along with the gossip is the endless teasing of my physical features. When you go to a predominately white institution where most black men date outside their race [as I've found in every predominantly-white institution I've attended], their comments once stung quite a bit (…..but some white men find me attractive. This has them bouncing off walls).

    I don’t understand it. I once had a fit and said, “If you’re feeling insecure about herself go check out the magazine rack!” …….. which is predominately white of course. The room became dead silent.

  • Tweed12

    In order for them [white women] to remain saintly wholesome figures, an attractive black woman’s reputation must be destroyed. She must be seen as vulgar, loose and easy- as she is a threat. Look around at the attractive black women you see at predominately-white institutions. Do they have clean reputations?

  • Adina

    As a police officer I resent that comment about how the police profile black men. It goes both ways. I don’t profile anyone by their race, I profile based on their behavior…. in your comment you complained about police generalizing all black men into one catagory, well you are generalizing all police officers into a catagory.

  • Tweed12

    My final point: In search of a man, many black women have fallen into the trap- becoming the reputation these white women have made up for them. It’s sad, but when going through something like don’t expect a black man’s support or defense.

  • jamesfrmphilly

    yep, them lazy negroes just no good……..

  • Alex

    As a white woman I:

    1. Loved the video.

    2. Totally agree with everything Ms. Harris had to say.

    3. Made sure to stash a lot of what the video said away in my mind; black people and white people tend to have different life experiences in America (whether a little or a lot) and there’s no use looking the other way about that. The best we can do is listen to one another, and if someone finds a certain thing offensive, try our hardest not to do it.

    So much of what this country is today was built on the backs of people who were treated as lesser-than the wealthy whites who subjugated them. This is an undeniable fact, and historically, my race essentially got away with murder. The LEAST I can do as a compassionate human being is to be humble enough to listen and learn when others say, “This hurts me. Please don’t do it.” What does it cost me? Nothing.

    Thanks for the great discussion.

  • apple

    wireless courage

  • Ruthlessma

    Here’s a joke told to me (a white/anglo/honky/cracka ass) by a black (lesbian) chick….
    You know why you don’t see any black nuns ??? They can’t say Superior after Mother.

    I thought it was hillarious….. when I repeat this joke, the white/anglo/honky/cracka asses get all pissed off at me. No sense of humor I guess.

  • Lori-Ann

    Clive, I can understand what you have to say but I can tell that you are of European decent and don’t truly understand (and will never truly understand) what it is like to be African American or African descent in the United States. You seem to have a genuine concern but even has you talk about whites, not all whites fit your description “That is not because whites don’t believe that blacks CAN do this, it just surprises them because they see the opposite on a regular basis, because blacks have framed such things as ‘not-black’.” Why should it surprise whites (when blacks seemingly step up in life), this is contradictory, the only way it would surprise whites is if whites were usually subconsciously thinking of African Americans as lesser and “inferior.” Even if African Americans perpetrated this notion of inferiority,(and African American do not) whites do not do any justice when they agree also. It’s like someone telling them self that they’re ugly and another person saying yes it’s true you really do look ugly. This obviously doesn’t help the situation.

    You seem to be making generalizations about the African American community. For example, you argue that the African American community itself projected an image that blacks don’t do things like get an “education” or a “white collar-job”. You ignore the responsibilities of whites in perpetrating this very notion, one way in which whites can perpetrate this very notion is by simply believing that blacks simply don’t get an “education and white-collar jobs.” Just the simple act of whites believing these notions contributes to its perpetration, multiplication, &endurance in society today. These negative notions of African Americans have originally stemmed from whites themselves, historically, and its continued existence continues to be harbored by present-day whites themselves. Whites in the 21st century do no justice by believing and accepting what their white ancestors have already done. Whether or not it may appear to present day whites that blacks themselves portray this supposedly negative, anti-progressive “image” of themselves. This “image” is really what whites make of it.

    Again, regardless of the “image” that you claim blacks have themselves perpetrated, the root cause of this supposed “image” is from that of the dominant socially, culturally, and historical, ideology of whites. Yes it’s a “plantation mentality” that stemmed from whites and your arguments seem to elude this important point that this “plantation mentality” was orchestrated by whites themselves over a very very long period of time. The truth is: even if some African American subcultures appear to not believe in getting an “education” and “white-collar jobs” this very ideology was perpetrated by whites themselves, over the course of history, to benefit themselves. Whites being the majority, during slavery and decades after slavery was abolished, have impressed this belief &ideology upon blacks that blacks are too inferior to actually get an “education” or a “white-collar job.” Some African Americans keep in mind not all, have used these views to validate themselves, internalized it, over the course of history and remember we are talking about 400 years of slavery and the decades following its abolition. This kind of view has been passed down from generation to generation through socialization and still exists in some African American subcultures. I will have to admit that maybe to some extent this subculture has taken on a life of its own separate from that of which it has originally stemmed from: the white American dominant socio-historical ideology. The issue is where to draw the line between white responsibility and black responsibility. And since whites are privileged and are mostly in positions of power, due to the backbone of slavery, then it would appear that whites would have the most responsibility.

  • sunshyne84

    Cclearly, if white girls want to make a response video, why don’t they? it should be as funny as the rest *shrug*

  • sunshyne84

    waa waaa waaa

  • sf

    My thoughts exactly ^^^

  • deb

    I’m a white woman. I laughed through the entire video. I’ve heard white people say this stuff, and unfortunately, I’ve said some of it myself. I’m with Alex. We have to be willing to listen to each other. I also think humor is a really effective way to teach. So why do some white people get upset? I think it’s because they don’t understand the larger context described by Harris. Yes, unfortunately, there are still a lot of hateful and racist white people. but there are also a lot of well-intentioned white folks who genuinely believe they aren’t racist (who don’t want to be racist) but who don’t really have any clue about the system of privilege that surrounds them, influencing their view of society. I think white people need a good dose of education about Jim Crow and its lasting effects. For example, most whites don’t know that after reconstruction, local and state governments collected hard-earned tax dollars from black families and funneled them towards white schools (bankrupting black schools). This continued into the 1960s. Most whites also don’t know that federally subsidized FHA loans from the early 50s to the mid 70s essentially funded white flight from the cities. Working class whites qualified for mortgages at reduced interest rates that enabled them to afford a house when they otherwise couldn’t have. Black families were systematically (as a policy) denied access to these loans. So the white families moved to the suburbs, enjoyed tax breaks and accumulated capital (investment in the home) that would be handed down to the next generation. Their kids went to suburban schools made more wealthy by their home-owning, tax paying communities. They acquired educations that would also serve future generations of their families (if you go to college, your kids are more likely to go), while black students remained in the defunct schools in the city where their equally hard working families continued to rent – sending dollars out the window. These kinds of policies have such lasting and widespread repurcussions and white people know little of them. They do not understand the systematic ways they have been accorded privilege in American society. They also don’t understand how they have inherited privilege (the unfair privilege their grandparents enjoyed filters to them in the way of money and education among other things). I say all that to explain: our schools need to do a better job of educating about Jim Crow so that whites can understand that a few paltry years of affirmative action make just a drop in the bucket of reparations for 300 years of policy-driven discrimination and persecution. We do not live in an equal society, as much as we want to. We need to keep working, keep talking and remain ever vigilent of our history and the lasting structure of privilege and power it has erected around whites. Racism and descrimination describe systems of power, not individual events. just because a white person experiences something unfair, it doesn’t mean they suffer from “discrimination” – there is no system of power or privilege in place to methodically deny rights to white people, and there never has been. This idea of systemic power is what white people do not understand. this is why they don’t get the joke.

  • BlacknAmazed

    I agree….Are people outraged about the things black girls say to black guys…or things black guys say to black girls? It’s just a joke. Common sense tell us everyone is not the same. I have been asked many of the questions in the video…and I’m sure many others have as well. It’s making fun of reality …at the same time every white female I know has not behaved that way. Usually it’s strangers or co workers. Just like all black people don’t agree with using the Nword. and all black men don’t believe in not paying child support for their child and all black women don’t have an average of three baby daddies. lol so what ever.

  • S.

    I have to give it to you deb, this is the best comment I have read on Clutch in ages

    Thank you for informing Clutch readers about REAL racism. The type of racism that has had long lasting and devastating effects on the Black community

    You are absolutely right… most White people (and Black people, unfortunately) are ignorant of this type of systematic racism that has plagued the Black community, particularly since Jim Crow but really, since the start of this country.

    Not only has the American government and White Supremacist groups STOLEN money from the Black community for at least half a century, they have blocked our wealth and net worth from generating generation to generation

    I’ve read countless stories about African Americans building wealthy cities only to have them burn down by angry jealous Whites (Sweet Auburn Ave, Black Wallstreet, etc,)

    Modern day ignorance leads White Americans to stand on their unearned privilege pedestal and shout down at the misfortune of Black Americans (like ^Clive) as if we are lost little puppies who never got a clue. Yes, *some of us* are lost and are gone for good but many of us GOT IT and have ALWAYS had it without “the help” of patronizing White liberals.

    The intersection happens when these entitled White Liberals find themselves in POC spaces giving redundant “advice” to POC. Who would take directions from a blind person who has never used the directions themselves? They surely must think we are stupid.

    Note to White people: until you have acknowledged and address YOUR OWN community, with honesty, about your unearned privileges and about why so many of you have been better off than the majority of struggling POC despite your lazy and evil history… don’t bother coming onto publications like Clutch to tell us what you *think* our problem is

  • iQgraphics

    I would like to extend a personal “kudos” to all of you. Whether you agree or disagree with Clive, I am finding it hard to focus because the entire tirade was laughable.

    I literally shot soda out of my nose when I read “White people do not inherently see black people as beneath them” (the king of the white people has spoken)

    and then the part about “decades of affirmative action” having been the antidote…

    How could you all not laugh at this?
    I have nothing to offer because you all hit on key issues already.

    I really appreciated reading all of your comments, it was very interesting.

    But I have to ask you, did you not laugh when you read the initial argument? Was it just me?

  • Girl

    agreed. Deb’s comment is the only one from a white person that has ever been worth my time. Normally I skip over. Hopefully you teach the white people around you this lesson, after all they’ll probbaly listen to you more than dismiss us with the “race card” whining

  • AJB

    This is so well written! I wish I was still in college so I could have a whole lecture based on this! Alas…I am at work, where I can only nod my head in agreement or email sections to my friends.

  • Oneika Mays

    I won’t rehash all of the valid points made to Clive who clearly misses the boat. I do have to say, I don’t think I’ve ever read such amazing comments (at one time) on Clutch. Clearly the video struck a chord with many white women. Franchesca is on Anderson Cooper tomorrow. Check her out.

  • Val

    The fact any of you took the time to read clives lengthy post is troubling to me, after the faux compliment start I knew no good could come from it. These idiots go trolling the interwebs stirring things up and we feed into it. Another thing about white privilege? they can afford to sit behind a screen attacking civility because they can get by on being white alone…..

    one more thing….FUCK OFF “vince”

  • Alex

    I don’t want to derail the conversation here, but can someone explain the lotion thing to me? That sound like either a) a typical “my roommate is using my stuff, dammit!” thing or b) something that should be directed at a man, because he used it masturbating.

    I’m guessing there’s something I’m missing here, because otherwise it wouldn’t be in the video, right?


  • Alex

    Sorry, I meant “the implication being that he used it masturbating.” Yay for reading your post before you click Submit amirite

  • Krantzstone

    On January 10, 2012 at 4:54 pm, clive said:

    “I am going to say up front I don’t understand why some white people were offended by this video. I found it hilarious. Satires of life are great because there are kernels of truth to them, and the girl who produced the video clearly has a great eye for it.
    But I do have some issues with the tone and implications of this article. While I get the author’s intent with this article to define privilege as an important factor in determining what constitutes a racist comment, she is missing the forest through the trees. White people do not inherently see black people as beneath them. Establishing that whites have ‘privilege’, as if society has a system in place to keep black people down and white people up, is both antiquated and ludicrous, not to mention self-defeating. Did that used to exist? Yes. But decades of affirmative action and government programs, and most importantly cultural changes, have created a white population that is not anti-black and denigrating towards African-Americans. Instead, it is, simply put, indifferent.”

    I have to disagree. White privilege is ongoing to this very day, and there could be twenty more Barack Obamas in the White House and that won’t change, because we still live in a Western society which is rooted in white privilege. Do you honestly believe that it takes less than a century to turn around centuries of oppression? Let’s put it this way: around the turn of the century, women were still considered chattel. Sure, our society has come a long way since then, but that doesn’t change the fact that we still have pink collar ghettoes and glass ceilings for women. Why? Because these societal problems have existed for centuries and still exist, and while things are getting better, to proclaim that they’ve magically disappeared all because you no longer see this discrimination, doesn’t mean that those who are the victims of oppression, don’t still see it and experience it every single day.

    “I know it is difficult to hear, but the only people holding back black people today are black people. Paranoid, imagined attacks from the majority culture and a desire to avoid ‘being white’ have led over the past few decades to the destruction of the African-American family, and mindset that learning and education are traits that should be avoided. The community has (generally) become an entitlement culture that blames everybody else for their problems, and then complains that people are ‘looking down on them’. Well guess what! That is not due to any sort of belief that blacks are ‘inferior’. It is due to a general disgust with what the culture has become: a slew of single parent families, rampant with crime and drug use. Italians, poles, asians, etc have all come to this country and have been discriminated against by the majority culture (at one point WASPs). Yet nobody looks down on them anymore. Why? Because they worked to make themselves something and have earned respect. It’s not racism, it’s realism- it has nothing to do with skin color or ethnicity. I would hire a qualified African-American in two seconds over a white person because I know he/she had to fight through the plantation mentality of his own community to become something, and I want to encourage that, because sadly, that is exception not the norm.”

    I don’t believe it’s paranoia: it wasn’t that long ago that a radio personality like Don Imus referred to a group of black female athletes as ‘nappy-headed hoes’. Yeah, we sure do live in a “post-racial” America. Right. :P And Don Imus still has a job, it must be nice to be able to revel in white privilege. And what about Pat Buchanan? MSNBC only recently suspended him even though he’s been shilling racist drivel for a very long time, and saying stuff that anyone else would have gotten automatically canned for.

    Racism doesn’t have to be something that only happens south of the Mason-Dixon, where Confederate flags fly free and where redneck yokels, neo-Nazi boneheads and Ku Klux Klan members parade around in white sheets. No, racism can be much subtler and more insidious than that, and only someone who has been on the receiving end of it will really notice.

    “Take for instance what happened in 2010 at a poor inner city school in South Philadelphia. The school was comprised of African-Americans and Vietnamese immigrants; the Vietnamese students were working jobs after school and still getting A’s while the African-American kids were failing out and in fact beating the Vietnamese kids up for being too ‘brainy’. Can anybody say with any credulity that the MAIN reason these students are underperforming is because of the racist ‘establishment’? Or should African-Americans maybe start looking closer to home for the problem?”

    Apples and oranges. Asian cultures are markedly different from Western culture in such things as emphasis on education, child discipline, families, etc. and of course, immigrant culture is again different because immigrants tend to work much harder than Western workers in large part because of the belief that they _have_ to work harder than those native-born due to discrimination (and they’re probably right). Furthermore, Asian immigrants for the most part know where they are from, in terms of their culture, their nationality, their ethnicity, their country of origin: American blacks have none of these things, because their ancestors were deprived of these things when they were enslaved. They were forbidden their native languages, traditions, cultures, mores, etc.: Everything that creates a kind familial and generational continuity is lost. _That_ is the legacy of black slavery in North America, and in that sense, their unique experience is much more akin to the experience of the Native and aboriginal peoples of North America, who were likewise oppressed, if not enslaved in the strictest sense, the cultural and ethnic genocide perpetrated against them as well as the decimation of their oral histories, their traditions, their languages, their cultures, the very fabric of who they were as a people, in combination with the usurpation of their land, means that they have almost completely lost who they are as a people. Not in the same way white people have forgotten where they came from because it became largely irrelevant and unimportant to them, because should they ever become curious and look into the genealogy, it is but a mouse-click away on various family history websites.

    So to compare the Vietnamese immigrant kids to black kids in America isn’t a fair comparison: Sure, Vietnamese boat people experienced a lot of bad things both in Vietnam and after leaving it (horrible things like piracy and sale into sex slavery are but two examples of those who didn’t make it to North America), but there wasn’t an ongoing perpetuation of oppression and cultural genocide: they still know where they came from, even if they had to flee their home country due to war and political instability. Black kids in America today are the broken children of broken families that came from broken families. Just as there are so many social ills within Native reservations, such as extreme poverty, alcoholism, drug addiction, physical and sexual abuse: it would be easy to dismiss these social ills as being the result of some moral deficiency or failure on the part of the First Nations and aboriginal peoples to pull themselves up by the bootstraps. But that would be to ignore what I mentioned above. To be honest, I don’t think any one of any ethnicity, if they had experienced the same sorts of horrors experienced by the Native people or blacks in America, would be doing particularly well right now. I know I wouldn’t, if I lived in perpetual poverty, the descendant of generations of broken families which was the direct result of my ancestors having been enslaved, or been the victims of attempted genocide. And I certainly would be right in being offended if I was then told that instead I just wasn’t being boot-strappy enough. It’s an offensive, simplistic, insensitive and ignorant assessment of a very complex and difficult social problem.

    “I get that it’s hard to grow up in a black community in this country and excel, or indeed, that it’s awkward to be the only black person in an affluent white community. But for Christ sake stop complaining about institutional racism, and how white people are racist for calling a spade a spade. ‘Microracisms’ only exist because many white people have (unfortunately) also gotten used to the image projected by the black community that blacks don’t do things like get an education or a white collar job. That is not because whites don’t believe that blacks CAN do this, it just surprises them because they see the opposite on a regular basis, because blacks have framed such things as ‘not-black’. As a result, when an African-American does get an education and work in that sort of job, there is an awkwardness because comments that would normally just be matter-of-fact jokes or statements about the difference of one’s appearance get tied to the black person’s community, and triggers the mindset that the white person is being racist. Of course, some comments may overstep the line. But I would say in general what the author is talking about is a paranoid, oversensitive way of framing meaningless comments.”

    Well, perhaps you could then see that if ‘microracism’ incidents are due to white people having gotten used to the image projected by the black community that blacks don’t want to get an education or a white collar job, you can also see that there might well be a rejection by some members of the black community of things like public education and going for white-collar jobs precisely _because_ there is discrimination in teaching and hiring. Why bother if the playing field isn’t level and the odds are already stacked against them? While that may be defeatist in attitude, it’s a perfectly understandable emotional reaction to the kind of oppression they are facing. If you’ve been told since birth that you’re never going anywhere because of the colour of your skin, that racism has stacked the cards in life against you so that even if you played the game by the rules, you won’t be given the same rewards or respect given someone who is white, wouldn’t that piss you off? I know it would piss me off, and I would naturally want to rebel against that. When you’re followed around by cop cards just because of the colour of your skin, and every store clerk follows you around when you’re trying to buy something, and every teacher you have thinks your legitimate reason for not completing an assignment or doing poorly on a test is some made-up excuse not to do the work, and every job recruiter won’t even look at your resume before throwing it in the trash because you have some ‘stereotypically black’ name, and you too would have more than a small chip on your shoulder regarding race and the society you live in.

    These aren’t excuses, this is the daily reality for blacks in America: maybe not for all of them, but for enough of them to make them feel that no matter what they do, they will never get anywhere or never get as much as they should just because of their skin colour. So on the streets, they see shortcuts that will bring them the kind of riches they want and need without having to worry about racism hampering their efforts. Some of them see excelling in sports as their only ticket out of poverty, while others see rap music. Still more see crime. Those are the kinds of options they’re left with the cards they’ve been dealt, and for all that turning to crime is not something that I would personally advocate, I can understand it and certainly while I’ve never been in such dire straits as to have to resort to it, I’ve seen at close hand the kind of desperation that takes hold of those, regardless of race, who are truly impoverished, that they would do whatever they have to to survive another day, even if it means doing something that we lucky people in the middle and upper class would never believe ourselves capable of doing (yet trust me, put anyone in those same circumstances and you’ll reach that point unless you’re incredibly strong, and even then at that).

    “If there is any sort of condescension from whites/asians to blacks it is because blacks as a culture expect preferential treatment because they are ‘worse off’. That mindset in itself implies one is above the other, and it is self-defeating for blacks. Idealistic white (and asian) graduates can spend years helping kids in the inner city, but the fact of the matter is NOTHING will change unless blacks try to fix their community values and start acting like rolemodels for their children. There would be no racial ‘privilege’ in this country if African-Americans just realized deep-down that they’re as capable as any other race to succeed, and started doing something about it. Articles like this do nothing to fix this problem, and only act as a sounding board for more ‘poor me’ statements that create unwarranted and unecessary indignation at the ‘establishment’. It’s well past the time to bury this immensly stale, 40 year old conversation.”

    Nice to know that there’s condescension coming from those who have white privilege (and interestingly enough, for all that Asians in North America have also experienced discrimination, they also at times were extended certain aspects of white privilege even while other ethnicities were blatantly racially oppressed). :P

    Like I said, if you think societal ills that afflict so many blacks in America (and not just blacks, as the Occupy movement clearly showed) can be fixed in 40-some years to surmount more than a century (and more if you’re counting from the 1560s when slavery was practised in Spanish colonies and came to North America) of discrimination, oppression, of generational destruction of a people, then you have very naive and simplistic notions of how these societal ills come about and are perpetrated and perpetuated within society as a direct result of and continued racial discrimination and oppression by the white majority.

    /Japanese, not that it should matter

  • So Over This Ish

    Tweed12…I love your comments! What you said is true. I’m biracial (black mother, white father) and some white women have been racist towards me as well.

    My husband is white. A few white girls aren’t too happy about that, but it really doesn’t matter.

    Yes, pretty Black and mixed women are sometimes viewed as a threat despite our lack of white privilege.

    We’re often stereotyped as being loud and fat and ugly so it bothers certain people when we don’t fit that stereotype.

  • Krantzstone

    “cop cards” = “cop cars”, just to be clear. I need a proofreader. :P

  • clive

    @Lori-Ann- Those are fair points. I have never debated, and do not debate, that the inception of the “inferiority complex” blacks have for themselves today was created by whites centuries ago on the plantation. In fact, I would say we probably only disagree about who has the larger impetus and power to change this mentality today. Although it is fairly clear this mentality is recycled constantly by whites and blacks, which has kept it alive, out of the two factors that can help break this cycle 1) societal help through transfers, affirmative action, media campaigns, etc and 2) blacks as a community actively working to break out of the ghetto, rebuild families, and acquire education- I believe the second to be VASTLY more important. 1) is important for confidence building and a leg up, no doubt, but 2) is what actively effects the change.

    This is going to sound asinine (although from what I gather, at least 80% of the board already loathes me, so whatever), but regardless of what someone has done to you, at the end of the day the responsibility is one’s own to move past it. White’s were horrible to blacks. Whites get it. They have apologized, and over the last 40 years they have tried through government programs and resocialization to try and make up for it in whatever way they possibly can. No, it doesn’t fully make up for it. But nothing ever will. Whites can’t give blacks good lives on their own. At a certain point- and that point is now- blacks have to accept that the old society that actively discriminated against them is gone and has been gone. They’ve got to forgive the kid who bullied them in middle school and bury the wounds.

    Whites aren’t indoctrinated in school or by (most of) their families about blacks being “inferior”. Whites aren’t born today in a soceity where things are “separate yet equal” or where restaurants, seats, and water fountains have “whites only” on them. And neither are blacks. That era is over- and white kids today have no conception of it, and are frankly blameless, because they didn’t participate in it. In the same vein, blacks born today are victimless, because they never personally experienced it. Discriminations developed by whites today are based on what they see- and it’s frankly not pretty or easy to engender respect for what one sees in the inner city. Indeed, after spending time in there for awhile, even sympathy goes out the window. The only way the issue will end is if blacks as a demographic take the initiative to change their situation. That will involve government help yes, of course. But it will require help from role models, ESPECIALLY black ones. And as an earlier poster pointed out above, families in particular. I know it’s complicated and not (apologies for the pun) black and white, nor are the solutions easy or overnight, but at the end of the day forgiving whites and moving on is the only way blacks are going to find a better world for themselves. It is the first and most crucial step. And there is nothing anybody else in this increasingly mixed race country can do or spend or feel to change that.

    I’m done. Thanks for the discussion, though I’m not sure all of you are grateful. At any rate, to those who reflexively attacked me and my points, I hope some of what I talked about above regarding the uselessness of resentment towards whites someday speaks to you. To those of you who corroborated my statements, thank you for the support and perspective. And to those who engaged me with civility even when disagreeing thank you for the respect. Good day all.

  • Krantzstone

    Well, it’s good that you were strong enough to make it on your own. But that doesn’t mean everyone has your strength, and of course, everyone is different and everyone’s family situations are different. There are a lot of broken families (and no, not just black families) where they’ve lost all hope: generation upon generation turning to alcoholism, drug addiction, etc. etc. begetting children who likewise learn these things from their parents.

    While you’re correct in saying that in the end, it’s up to those individuals to make something of their lives, I personally can’t blame those whose families are impoverished and suffering from a multitude of societal ills including addictions, abuse, etc. for not being able to overcome all those things all by themselves. Those people do need a helping hand, and society owes it to them to give them a hand, even if it wasn’t for racism within society having created those societal conditions which resulted in these broken families in the first place.

    In the end, the society we live in is dependent on what we collectively choose to do for it, and if we are not willing to help out those less fortunate in some concrete and effective manner, then we can only blame ourselves when our society is full of those without hope, without futures, who may be forced to turn to crime just to survive.

  • So Over This Ish

    I agree…they can dish it, but they can’t take it in return. What goes around comes around.

    I don’t understand people who are butthurt and bent out of shape over this video. The truth is that some white people DO engage in this behavior. And I am a biracial woman who is married to a white man…I’ve been around white people and Black people all my life. I’ve heard racist comments and I experience “micro-aggressions” on a daily basis.

    It takes a truly mature person to realize that they have been offensive and to reflect on their privilege. Sadly, some people have no interest in checking their privilege. They want “free speech”…which is really just code for “I want to be able to spout ignorance and be a racist jerk”. I like the video. I wasn’t laughing out loud, but it made me see that my situation is definitely not unique. Other Black and mixed women are experiencing the same things. I’m not sure why some people have a problem with us talking about it.

  • C

    Sometimes Black people complain about having ashy (dry) skin. The implication is that the Black friend used her white friend’s lotion.

  • Sarah

    When a person tells me something about her life or her point of view, I feel like I should listen to her. I, personally, have used the word “ghetto” in the past to describe something ill-wrought. Now that I understand that it hurts a lot of people, I am making a point to change my behavior. I don’t want to be part of the problem. I don’t want to make people feel uncomfortable.

  • Alex

    Thanks for the explanation, C! The more you know and all that.

    Still strikes me as a really weird thing to say, though. Guess that’s the point of the video, though, yeah?

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  • Shiv

    Was it Malcolm who said he would rather meet a clansman than a liberal walking down a lonely road at night, because at least with the clansman, he knows where he stands?

  • CN

    To the police officer who replied and was offended (not African Mami – your point is well made and taken) :

    You being offended as a police officer at African Mami’s comment that police officers racially profile is like a someone with gender privilege (aka a cisgendered male) saying that it’s not ok for women to be angry at the historic injustices they’ve suffered (and continue to suffer) at the hands of men because he’s never personally beat up a woman.

    It’s fantastic that you treat those you encounter in your line of work as individuals and make an effort to not racially profile people, but that does nothing to change the well-documented history and ongoing issue of police violence and brutality towards communities of colour. You can be personally offended all you like – but it’s really not about you, and the record shows.

    Be well,

  • Valgal

    I thought it was funny, simply because I have experienced all of those comments at least once in my life. I’ve developed a thick skin dealing with those comments for most of my life and laughing at them … I think people should lighten up a bit.

  • Steven

    Here is my question, how is this stereotype that white liberals are in deep denial about their racial attitudes beneficial towards improving race relations? If you are “suspicious” of a “white liberal” which from what I gather means they claim to be open minded or non judgmental toward black people how will anything ever improve. Because what you are saying is that it doesn’t matter what someone says to you, you will automatically judge them as being a “closet racist” or “ saying this information for personal attention”, all the while in your head you are saying I don’t believe what they are saying. Is this not direct stereotyping? Something that I believe the consensus opinion of most black and white people is that it has been very detrimental towards the general perception of black people throughout the 50’s, 60’s 70’s etc… I mean what would your reaction be if you read something where a white person said I am really suspicious of a black person that claims to be a law abiding citizen because I think that deep down all black people are criminals. Then you could make a statement that said I would rather meet a black person carrying a gun in an ally then one in a suit because at least I know where I stand with the one carrying the gun. Personally I find both sets of analogies extremely damaging to race relations in this country. As long as people, black and white, can’t take someone at their word as a human being because instead they continue to hold beliefs or suspicions towards that person because of stereotypes that they may have heard about that “type” of person we will never make progress.

  • Krantzstone

    clive, I would have been interested to read your response to what I posted. I also include these links for your edification:

    These are ‘model minority’ students being discriminated at Ivy League schools. This basically teaches that no matter how hard you work and how well you perform in school, no matter if you are the epitome of the ‘model minority’ in society, you will still be discriminated against if you are not white.

    Contrary to what you may personally believe, we do _not_ live in a ‘post-racial’ society. As I said before, just because you personally are not affected, and do not witness it, doesn’t mean that racism is dead and gone.

    /interestingly, the article was written by Nadra Kareem Nittle, an African American lady with three degrees from Barack Obama’s alma mater and who writes on the topic of race for “Los Angeles Times’ Inland Valley edition, the El Paso Times, the Santa Fe Reporter and the L.A. Watts Times”

  • S.T.

    I thought the video was hilarious and true! It and this article made me think of some faux pas I might’ve made in the past due to my own ignorance. Still though, I do have some questions for anyone who doesn’t mind humoring yet another person with little knowledge of Black culture (aside from what I see on TV).

    1) Do Black people never touch/ask to touch each other’s hair? Maybe this is just a regional thing (I live on the west coast), but it’s not uncommon for people of other races to ask to touch other people’s hair, esp after a new haircut. This isn’t just a “white” thing, either, because I’ve had Latina and Asian friends ask to touch my hair too.

    2) Why is the term “ghetto” considered racist? It seems to me that if anything the term is more about class than race. IE I would think that a white person who actually grew up in the ghetto would have more reason to be offended by that term than a Black person who grew up in the suburbs (as Ramsey herself admits to being).

    3) Ditto for the term gangster, although it’s not mentioned in the video.

    4) The Tim Wise quote above finally helped me realize why the *n* word is not equal to words like cracker, but at the same time, can’t the use of “cracker” be considered a microagression in certain situations? The reason I ask is because the definition given by the author above reminds me of a story from when I was younger. I had a white friend who lived in a predominantly Black neighborhood for most of her life, and she seemed to be deeply offended by the word cracker. When I asked her why she was so emotional about it, she said people would say things like “know your place, cr____” or “you’re living in OUR territory”. Following Tim Wise’s own logic, it would seem that at least for my friend, the word cracker held similar weight as the *n* word.

    5) And finally, while this wasn’t really mentioned in the video either, I do have one more question about the *n* word. What are people’s opinions about white people using the *n* word while singing along with rap songs, or talking about a certain Jay-Z song that ends with “in Paris”?

    Again, sorry if the above questions seem ignorant, but, well, that’s what I’m hoping to cure by asking them here. I don’t mean to offend, so if they made you feel uncomfortable just ignore them…

  • African Mami

    @ Adina,

    What goes both ways?! The white popo profiling and then the victim profiling the popo?! Please clarify because the many hairs on my afro, are resenting your comment too!

    Stop reading my comments and making assumptions….you are too microagressive! Meow!

    @ CN,

    Thanks for your articulatedness! Hi-five. Just so you know Adina, I’m also articulate, but not when somebody is microagressive!

  • P

    It’s actually a reference to “Sh*t Black Girls Say”. The character in that one asks to borrow lotion. That’s also where the “Cheetos” reference comes from.

  • Krantzstone


    I took the comment to be more about how certain white liberals believe they are above racism and that they don’t have a racist bone in their body, and they pride themselves on the fact, even as they constantly make ignorantly prejudiced off-hand comments without even realizing it. Yet because of the cognitive dissonance (i.e. their view of themselves as being not racist conflicts with being told by others that they are, in fact, being racist, even if unintentionally), they react angrily at the very idea of being thought a racist, even if it’s not said as an accusation so much as a caution to them to be careful, and just asking them to really think about what they’ve said and see how it might be considered hurtful, offensive, etc.

    In that sense, these white liberals are incapable of seeing the errors of their ways because they already believe themselves to be above it, to be incapable of being racist, to be incapable of not making a mistake or not knowing when something is racist, when the reality is that anyone can be racist, and we all have a little bit of racism we’ve picked up in society that we’ve internalized and we just say it or do it without even thinking about it. But to hold the conceit that we are above racism when we so clearly are not, it doesn’t matter that we didn’t _mean_ to be racist (although intention does count), but if you’re unwilling to take even the slightest cautionary suggestion that you may have unwittingly said or done something that could be considered racist (especially in terms of microaggressions which are more subtle than a cross burning on a lawn but due to its subtlety, particularly insidious, even if the intent was not to cause harm), you will never be able to really challenge the hidden racism within you and thus learn to correct it.

    And contrary to popular belief, minorities can be (and often are) racist against other minorities as well, so it’s not just the ‘white liberal’ who has to rethink some of their beliefs about themselves. I fully admit to having racism within me, and I try to challenge it above all within myself: I don’t consider myself any less racist just because I am also of a visible minority. I may not be a part of the white privilege on which our Western society is largely based, so in that sense I may not control or benefit from institutional or societally-based racism, but I can certainly be racist on a personal level, and no doubt I unwittingly and unknowingly have been racist to someone at sometime despite all my efforts to _not_ be racist.

    For example, I didn’t know, I didn’t really think until coming here that the term ‘ghetto’ could be seen as racist, but now that people here have pointed it out, I have to agree: although its etymological roots lie in the Jewish ghettoes of Nazi Germany, its modern usage is directly linked to a disparaging view of those who reside in modern American ghettoes, who are predominantly black and/or Hispanic and economically disadvantaged. To mock something as being ‘ghetto’ is not only racist but classist as well: just because, for example, a gaudy bag may or may not be to my taste, doesn’t mean I have a right to use a term which has racial implications which may be hurtful or offensive. There are a lot of people stuck in ghettoes who no doubt never chose to be there, and I’m sure it’s hurtful to be equated to something or someone who lacks discriminating taste, even if it’s just about a bag.

    In the end, we’re human, we all make mistakes, and none of us are perfect. But the difference between those who are truly against racism, and those who just think they are, is not just superficial intent, but an honest vow to oneself to really listen when someone says to you: ‘You know, what you just said there, that made me feel hurt/uncomfortable/degraded/denigrated/insulted/offended/etc. because of the racial implication and ‘, and then, rather than make a knee-jerk response saying ‘oh, that’s not racist’ or ‘I’m not a racist’, to just say ‘oh, I’m really sorry, I didn’t know, I didn’t realize. Thank you for telling me, I’ll remember not to say something like that in the future, because I did not mean to be racist or hurtful.’ To just accept that one is human, and that no matter how hard one tries, we may not be able to stop making boneheaded racist comments but we can apologize when we do, and to try to remember not to do it again. In the end, it’s about showing that we care that we wronged someone even when we did not mean to, and that we are contrite, and that we now understand what we did that was wrong, and that we vow not to make that mistake in the future, because we aren’t about hurting others with our words.

    And likewise, I would hope that if I did inadvertently hurt someone, or offend them, or insult them, or make them feel small, whether because of racism, or sexism, or heterosexual privilege, or ableism, etc. and I do take it back when informed of what I’ve done, and I do apologize, that I too can be forgiven for being human, and for those that I’ve wronged to know that I did not mean to do it or say it to be cruel or thoughtless.

  • Tweed12

    @So Over This Ish Thank You! I’m glad I’ve found common ground with folks :-)

  • ro

    I agree with you completely. I’m also white, a woman, found this video funny, and agree that we HAVE to acknowledge our privilege in order to talk about racism. It’s so important. I grew up in a really white part of the northeast and I had no idea, just none, until recently, about the amount of privilege I’ve inherited because of my race and class. And I had even less of an idea about the effects of institutional racism, the crazy racist stuff that trickles into our daily life in the most innocuous seeming ways. I’ve said microaggressive stuff in the past, and I’m ashamed of it… but it’s important to admit mistakes you’ve made in order to not make them again. I’m glad this video has inspired dialogue but some of the comments here make me so sad.

  • BeautyIAM

    Deb, I can I give you an e-hug? LOL, I agree with S. Your comment was great.

    Some folks just don’t want to get it, but I’m glad that you do :)

  • rhonda

    Some things said in this clip weren’t met as things that are “racist” but simply how we deal with one another and our ignorance.

    All of the clips like this are really just a commentary on humanity. Lighten UP! We have to be able to share these experiences as well and be able to smile about them.

  • rhonda

    Let me add. I think its very interesting that of all of Sh*t whoever says videos THIS is the one that gets people upset.

  • So Over This Ish

    Hi, S.T…

    you raise a lot of good questions. I will try to answer them as best as I can.

    1) Some Black people will touch each other’s hair if they have established a friendly relationship. I’m biracial with very long hair and people of all races have touched my hair, mostly without my permission. But I believe that if a person is respectful about it, some Black people don’t mind having their hair touched. Personally, I don’t want anyone playing with my hair. I’ve had too many incidents where people have put their hands on me without my consent. I’ve also heard a lot of ignorant comments about my hair. The only way I will allow somebody to touch my hair is if they show the proper etiquette, but even then, I would prefer that they actually take the time to know me first before they start touching my hair. That just seems like courtesy and common sense.

    2) The term “ghetto” has both racist AND classist connotations because traditionally low-income Black Americans are said to live in slums (i.e., the ghetto or the “hood”). It is rarely used to apply to white people and other ethnic groups, even when they are also of the working class. This term has become derogatory because it associates poor Black people with things that are bad, faulty, tacky, etc. Poor white people are labeled “hicks” and “trailer trash” but no one really says “That’s sooo trailer trash!” in reference to something. Whereas the term “ghetto” is often applied to a number of situations.

    3) The term “gangster” isn’t what I would consider racist, but it is problematic because of the image that predominantly African-American rappers have adopted. Some white people fear Black men and this “gangster” image/stereotype only perpetuates more ignorance.

    4) The terms “cracker” and “redneck” and “honky” are definitely pejorative terms. They can certainly be hurtful to a white person or even a very light-skinned Black person who can pass for white, but that is where it ends. The term “cracker” is hateful and offensive but there is no history of Black people using that term in conjunction with oppressing and abusing white people. There are no old photographs with signs that say: “No Crackers Allowed”. I am very light-skinned. I have been called different racial slurs over the years. The one that hurt me the most was the “N” word. Maybe your friend was upset by being called a cracker, but she obviously doesn’t realize that there are worse things a person can be called. Black people who use the word “cracker” are being prejudiced but the “N” word carries a more painful sting because of the history behind it.

    5) Most Black people, generally speaking, do not want to hear the “N” word from a white person in ANY context…period. The only Black people who probably don’t mind are people who have not been educated and they most likely have some self-hatred.

    Your questions aren’t ignorant at all. It shows that you are willing to learn and to understand more. Hope I was helpful.

  • clive

    @Krantz- There is no question Asian-Americans are discriminated against in the admissions process. But so are whites. If admissions were done purely from a “grade” and merit standpoint, blacks and hispanics would be almost completely crowded out, which I’m sure everybody would find unfair, because they generally come from tougher backgrounds. Asians are already significantly overenrolled relative to their population in the country. Why should whites be the only ones to have a tougher admissions curve for having more opportunity? Based on the way the system is today, this makes perfect sense and is reasonable.

    IMO, affirmative action programs and the like should be done purely on socioeconomics, not race. I’ve known rich black kids from beverly hills getting help from their minority status over poor whites from appalachia. Barack Obama himself said something along those lines when he was running in 2008. It’s a kinda ridiculous system we have these days. Diversity of experience is way more important than diversity of skin (indeed, some article in the NYT talked about a yale study corroborating this.. trying to find it).

  • Sarah

    Having the experience of being “the only” black person in the room has an official term: Spokesperson Syndrome. I was thrilled when I finally had a label for an experience I have lived all my life.

  • deb

    thanks to all three of you for your nice responses to my comment! Ro, I just want to say, yes, I agree. once you discover this system of privilege, it is a process of unlearning that all white people need to be willling to undertake. There is a great essay: “White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack” by Peggy McIntosh that describes this process if you’re interested.

  • whylie2010

    Calling this vid racist is like calling the victim of a racist attack the perpetrator. She is repeating what White women have ACTUALLY said to her and other Black people. Now, White people who were offended by this video (likely those who have made the very ignorant comments she parodies in the video) will come back with their own videos featuring things Black people have never even said to them or anyone they know. Their videos will be based purely on stereotypes while Franchesca’s video is based on truth.

  • Yes Sir

    And its just that simple.

  • Angie

    I am very appreciative of Ramsey bringing light to these experiences with a touch of comedy. I have heard many of the statements/questions that she poked fun at. Just this past semester I took at metal jewelry class. Myself and another young lady were the only African Americans in the course. As I proceeded to polish a piece at a drilling station, the dust and filing from the sterling and red rouge was flying in my hair. I say, my my this stuff is getting everywhere.” The white lady next to me, says that is going to be hell to get out of your ‘weave.” I have beautiful self-grown locs that extend pass my bra strap. I proceed to say, keeping my tone in check and with a smile. “Oh no, this is all my hair.” Shethen reaches her hand out grabs my hair and to add more insult says, “i thought all black women had a weave, I didn’t think ‘yalls’ hair grew that long.” I moved my head enough to let her know get your hands off my hair, and said … No ma’am we don’t. I STILL can’t believe she did that. She was an elder, maybe in her late 50s, you would think she knew better. If I had clowned, then everyone would have gave me the “another angry black woman” look.

  • Krantzstone

    I understand (and don’t really have a problem with) the affirmative action angle: there are only so many spots at Ivy League schools, and to create a more culturally and ethnically diverse school populace, some sacrifices have to be made to create space for those who were traditionally under-represented in such schools, to give those people the same opportunities and to level the playing field which has been biased against them in the past due to discrimination.

    What I am concerned about were private comments allegedly made by an Ivy League admissions person who explicitly stated that he likes to refuse admission to Asians because he didn’t like them in his classes. That’s not at all the same as promoting affirmative action admissions. ;P And apparently such sentiments are the norm in such schools, not the exception. That to me smacks of racism, although it’s going to be difficult to prove that kind of racism exists when it can easily be hidden in the guise of pushing affirmative action, and I doubt many people are dumb enough to go on record with comments like that and risk losing their jobs. It’s not like they are as stupid as some idiotic Papa John’s employee referring to an Asian customer as ‘lady chinky eyes’ in an official restaurant receipt and thus gets themselves fired. :P (

  • Jes

    I’m also white and also not offended, but definitely guilty. I’m not dumb enough to touch someone’s hair who I’m not very close with in the first place, though (thank goodness). My problem is that my mouth gets away from me because I’m trying so desperately to be liked (and thought of as not racist). This applies to all races, but especially minorities. I can hear the words coming out of my mouth and all I can think is “PLEASE STOP, YOU ASS.” Up until now I never knew what to do about it, apart from keeping my mouth shut in the first place, a tactic that clearly hasn’t worked thus far. This article has helped me, though. I may have had some difficulty in my life, but I’m still white and I absolutely cannot deny that I have experienced privileges that come with that, and that’s gross and not right. Historical context is not something that should be ignored. Apologies for being long-winded, I’m pretty sure it’s genetic.

  • tanya

    Its funny because it’s true. White girls always ask me if my hair is real and I can’t count the number of times I’ve hears a white girl say “That’s ghetto.” Yes white people we judge you all too….lol

  • Sophie

    I teach in an urban school district. Student population 100% African American. I’m sure it would not be acceptable for me to make a video parodying all the things my teenage African American students say to me or ask me.

  • Yamaha Fiore~

    Oh get over it it’s a parody, It’;s really not that serious! And some of it’s true!

  • Catlover274

    I could write an entire book about the things black people have said to me when I was growing up,living and working in south Atlanta.Some of which are far worse than the comments in this video.But since I’m white it would automatically be considered not true,according to your statement,eh?

  • Catlover274

    I would never be able to get away with telling about the things I put up with in a 90% black inner-city school,either.

  • Girl

    Sophie what is stopping you? Pathetic cunt. You think we’re not aware of fake liberal white ho teachers like you who pretend they wanna “change the world” “help others” but instead you bash these kids for being poor and from a different background like you? You think we dont know of your type that smiles in these kid’s faces then go on facebook and call them future criminals?

    Only FOOLS trust you bitches.

    Go ahead and make the video. wtf you whining for? Cant be any worse than what twats like you say about them on social sites. Bloody scallywag.

    Catlover, no gives a shyt. Whiny ass twit. Learn from deb instead of beeching like the arrogant snow flake princess that you are. Ashi!

  • Chrissy

    This is what happens when white people walk around all the time talking about how open and non-racist they are.

    Then a video like this brings out the racism in them. How typical.

    Also for all of you white people who teach in urban school districts why dont you stop teaching there? If what the black students are saying to you is so terrible, leave.

    That just goes to show, they have prejudice views that they pretend they dont have. Then when a situation like this happens they want to let out how they really feel. Typical.

  • Lenore

    I’m calling you out, “Angala”! Something about this post is fishy. I think it was written by someone with an agenda.

    The writer of this faux post thought it would seem more “real” if he/she made some spelling mistakes, but these are the fakest mistakes I’ve ever seen. Partisipation? Multipul? Eberything? Yes, all kinds of people make spelling mistakes, like “definetly” instead of “definitely” and “ocassion” instead of “occasion.” But “eberything”???

    This work of fiction will not win a PEN literary award.

  • Alexandra


    “of all of Sh*t whoever says videos THIS is the one that gets people upset.”

    It is very interesting, but take into account the group being targeted….
    And ‘Shit Black Girls Say’ did itch some people:

    However, it didn’t seem to get so much attention as this parody.

  • Bunny

    That, and then they would’ve ridiculed you for being so “uneccessarily mean/out of control”, acted all scared and starting pearlclutching, and then said something under their breath about how “THEY ought to be glad someone wanted to touch their nasty hair anyway…”

  • Bunny

    Actually, you know what CatLover? Do it. I’m actually interested to see what you’d have to say

  • Bunny


  • BlackNProud

    I’m confused…why would anyone (Black/White/Asian/Hispanic/ANY RACE) especially a teacher even think it would be ok to make a video parody of children or the students they teach. The fact that both Sophie and Catlover274 felt the need to mention they “teach” in urban/inner city schools where the student populations are 100% African American/90% Black tells me that this would be a video meant to hurt, overexpose and exaggerate YOUR view of African Americans students in an inner city/urban area, degrade, “attempt” to portray the same stereotypes we’ve all heard and saw time and time again, and overall just to show why some “teachers” should reevaluate their reasons for choosing to “teach” as a profession.

    “I’m sure it would not be acceptable for me to make a video parodying all the things my teenage African American students say to me or ask me.”…you don’t sound too sure…it’s sounds like you’re contemplating!

    So, would it be acceptable for me to make a parody video about all the things my elderly disabled Caucasian patients say to me or ask me!

    “I would never be able to get away with telling about the things I put up with in a 90% black inner-city school,either.”…don’t worry about getting away with it…worry about why you would even attempt to do it

    I would never be able to get away with telling about the things I put up with in a hospital with a majority of White patients who are elderly and disabled either!

    For the record I love helping PEOPLE and I’ve never looked at my profession and based it on color or what I see as someone’s disadvantage regardless of the majority or minority race. I do what I do because I love it not because I want to feel important, while secretly ridiculing what I know my heart and job is supposed to soothe.

    I couldn’t imagine doing anything else or I would never think in my mind let alone actually write that I questioned whether or not it would be “acceptable” to make a parody which is meant to be comical about a group of people, which I feel are inferior to me because I can’t relate to their situations and I know they can’t stand up for themselves. Maybe it’s the fact that my ignorance has hindered my progression to the point that my mind is not open nor receptive to what I don’t understand. Or maybe I just truly don’t care enough about the people that I “chose” to “put up with” because once I’m done working in the inner city/urban area (underserved community) my students loans will be forgiven and I will then be free to teach in an environment where I am comfortable and understand what’s going on. Yay…me I’m debt free and I didn’t have teach those African American/Black students that go to school in the inner city/urban area anything because I had no true intentions of taking that “experience” serious.

    Like seriously if you don’t have a vested interest in your students having at least a chance in the real world…please reevaluate your motives and the circumstances which you chose to place yourself in because we don’t need “teachers” like either of you “teaching” any student!

  • Yes Sir

    @ Clive, sorry to mention you again but I don’t think you should give yourself that much credit. 80% of the people here stopped reading your rant after the 1st paragraph. Its no myth that misery loves company and you definitely have issues.
    I agree with Krantztone. It would have been interesting to see a response from you to his post.
    It seems that Lori-Ann was able to place you. I don’t want to assume, but is she correct? Are you European or a of European descendant? Are you a Black American? By you answering that question would do the readers of you commentary a huge favor, particularly me. You’ve been very vocal, no matter how judgmental and condescending and I’d like to at least know that you’ve had some of, even if it were slight, similar life experiences to the people you’re weighing your heavy hand upon. Please be forth-coming and honest.

  • S.

    The fact that you’re a teacher AT a school with an “urban” population and yet you can not grasp why reversing this scenario would not be the same EVEN AFTER reading this article that went into detail explaining why it isn’t the same… is extremely disturbing to my soul

    … but sadly not surprising

  • S.

    It’s just funny because it’s White Women who are OBSESSED with this video

    I laughed about it and then moved on until these articles started popping and this discussion just keeps growing lol

  • http://[email protected] gina peterson

    It ain’t no picnic to be a gay and alive either. That’s so gay! Gay has no color, so we just have to fake who we are and many of us kill ourselves and many of us live but our self esteem has been destroyed by the extreme bigotry that we still face on a dally basis. Bigots are bigots! There is no color, or gender, or class barrier for hate and bigotry.

  • Srenda


    Sad…you both need to walk the halls of shame with this one. Either get out of teaching or really change your persepctive fast because you are doing a disservice to black children, all children. Where are these awful teachers coming from? It should be a requirement for teachers in urban areas to take sensitivity training and to learn about the real history of the U.S. and the impact of systematic racism. Remember, that you are teaching human beings.

  • Srenda

    Kinda confused right now Gina, cuz we’re talking about this video. You want sympathy for your struggle or something? You got it. But right now we’re talking ’bout this video. Being black, gay, female and poor would mean that you’re hit with bigotry on so many more levels. In fact the farther a person is from being white, male middle to upper -class heterosexual and Protestant, etc., etc., the more societal ills they have to push through. Also, remember, skin color/race (for the most part) is a visible thing. That said, I know that being gay in this society is not easy and that homophobia for black, whites, everybody is epidemic but it is difficult to look at any of these things specifically without seeing the bigger picture. No amount of bigotry exists in a vacuum.

  • Jiffy


    Welcome to the aging trolls of the internet. Then again some are just idiots in RL to began with!

    The bleached-blonde hair is quiet ‘offensive’ isn’t it! ;)

  • GeGe

    How many times as a black female have I run across people in high-school saying just cus you were black you were “ghetto” dirt-broke bum. Or your going to have multiple future-criminal babies with no father. Or you have “aids” and disease? Gotta check a guy and his family out to make sure there’s no racist teachings that have been passed on that could negatively affect our relationship?

    If you have nice things then there is envy. If you don’t have nice things then there is despise.

    There is not one race in the world that doesn’t have rich or poor people in it, ugly and pretty, smart or ignorant etc. Unfortunately even today there are those who still deem themselves to be the superior race based upon skin-cell pigments or the size of their nose. Their in businesses, in schools, in stores,on the job, social-game websites and the web.

  • WOW


    You’re “not sure” if it would be ok to discuss your experience with your school’s 100%(hard to believe) Black population? They are students(most of whom would be minors), you are the teacher(and an adult). Exposing your experiences involving them would be exploitation no matter what the topic was… How could you not understand this? And you teach children? This is very sad.

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  • K.

    Okay, I’m white, which is why I read this article. The video doesn’t really offend me at all, firstly because I’m not an dumb white girl who says dumb things to people, secondly, I figure its pretty light hearted, we all poke fun, especially with those closest to us. I think white people, at least in America, have self worth issues, the pride we do have is superficial, we have white skin and that’s it, and on a certain level I think we know that’s all were good for and its not real. Its not a good thing because having white skin in reality, is worthless. Were shown images of white people living prosperous lives doing great things, as if white is great, but what we actually hear and see is white people destroying everything, people telling us we have no souls, people telling us its genetically impossible for us to experience the spiritual realm, we can’t dance, we don’t belong here ( I never would choose to live here anyway), were mutants, no sex appeal, never contributed to anything of lasting quality, were cold, we age fast, we can’t connect with anything…, the list goes on. The kids I went to school with were mostly white, it was in a more rural area, but even at that they still tried to fit in and act like the black kids. If you go to the mall here you’ll find white kids trying to dress and be like “pimps” and “gangsters” and you will find the black kids at the skate shop buying flannels. And now, as white becomes the minority that becomes more clear. Its not attractive to be pale, sometimes I cry at my paleness, because I know nobody actually thinks pale is beautiful and if they do they are probably brain washed. I can tan in the summer, it looks nice, but its temporary. Everything about being white is temporary.

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  • Angela

    I’m black but very light skinned so I’m constantly getting teased and heckled by my “friends”, of all races that I’m not really black or sort of black or that I don’t really count as being black. I wasn’t raised to think everything someone says to me or does to me could somehow be because I was black. Then again I grew up in a small, college centered city with doctors and lawyers surrounding me.
    When I saw the video I thought it was hilarious! I know a few times I’ve said, in a valley girl voice, “I don’t want to sound racists…” right before I say something racist. And then of course the teasing I get. We all say dumb things, it’s human nature. I think sometimes we assume people know more about people of their race because growing up you see parents wanting to show their childern successful people they can relate too. When I was a teenager I remember my mom questioning why I didn’t have photos of black movie stars on my wall like I did with white movie stars. I don’t remember her going further into why, I believe I even asked her with a puzzled albiet offended “why?!” She didn’t ask why I didn’t have Hallie Berry on the wall, I could have answered I don’t like any Hallie Berry movies. She asked why I didn’t have any black people… Huh? At that time there weren’t that many black actors who were popular in movies for teens. Why would I put up photos of random black people just because I’m black? I didn’t like the stars I did because they were white.
    I can understand someone getting offended by the things said in the video, if they were honestly said to them, but the video itself it’s offending to me. It’s just a poke at how insensitive and politically incorrect we can all be. Instead of getting upset about the fact that there are ingnorant people out there that say things like this, I think at least we are at a point where we can laugh at it, and in good nature show it to friends who maybe make comments like these, not realizing they could offend and maybe work on not saying things like that.

  • Beth

    Whoa, K…. racial oppression is not about a popularity contest. White prividege is a reality in our society. If you are white, you are benefiting from it- just as I am. Glamourizing and fetishizing characteristics of people of color is not the same as combatting racism. The media affront and constant barrage of body judgement and self-critique that we are exposed to as women does not cancel out the privilidge we have as white people. Oppression of women and oppression of people of color are both realities. Forms of oppression share many characteristics, but please do not confuse one for the other. As a white woman, there is work you can do to combat racism (even as you inadvertantly benefit from it), and there is work you can do to combat sexism. For more thoughts about that, maybe check out TheWhiteNoise Collective facebook page or blog….

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  • modern lady

    The crazy thing black women say to white women would never occur, b/c we don’t use that type of stereotypical language with white women-we have sense.

  • food for thought

    “Like all ideologies, the varieties of the ideology of victimization are forms of fake consciousness. Accepting the social role of victim—in whatever one of its many forms—is choosing to not even create one’s life for oneself or to explore one’s real relationships to the social structures. All of the partial liberation movements–feminism, gay liberation, racial liberation, workers´ movements and so on—define individuals in terms of their social roles. Because of this, these movements not only do not include a reversal of perspectives which breaks down social roles and allows individuals to create a praxis built on their own passions and desires; they actually work against such a reversal of perspective. The ‘liberation’ of a social role to which the individual remains subject.”-Wolfi Landstreicher on the ideology of victimization.

    From reading the comments that have been posted, i have been left dismayed at the amount of people obessed with defineing EVERYTHING through racial stereotypes. I mean seriously people its 2012, if we’re (the human race) ever going to get anywhere, we have to start letting go of the emotional baggage regarding these issues and start to see things for what they really are. White privilidge as far as i can see is perputuated illusion by the racially obsessesed. I mean disgregarding the fact that within a racial context its actually equally offensive too lump all ‘white people’ together as haveing the same advantages (come to england and ask the eastern european imigrants if lifes a bed of roses because thier white), i dont believe you need to add a prefix to privilidge for it to be effective i.e the shoe could be on the other foot and the discimination would be the same one, which is one of class discrimination.

    The real issue i see is the agenda’s of societys oligarchy being forced upon the general population, who are left to project there frustrations through antiquated prejudices on to one another.

  • L Upjumpsthe Boogie

    I posted this video on facebook and sure enough I had a Caucasin friend who wasn’t too amused. The truth of the matter is, there are plenty of Black Women who can relate to this video. I am so sick of White friends saying things to me like “it’s like you’re not even Black!!!”. I think that there are some white folks out there who think that they can do no wrong. They think that the things they say don’t hurt people. They think that they aren’t racist. But if you’ve ever said anything from this video, then guess what?! You’re racist

  • Yep!

    Well what was said to you Catlover? Please elaborate.

  • Yep!


    You realise theres a shit girls say to gay guys video ATTACHED to Chesca’s video right? Maybe you should check it out. It seems like other gays have jumped on the bandwagon too.

  • Robin

    I agree with the ‘position of privilege’ point, that prevents it from being funny if a white person were to put on an Afro wig and mimic stupid things that black racists say.

    And I have heard white people make many of the same comments as in the video.

    I also get it why some people don’t think this is funny because this video could be construed as racist. But I think that’s a defensive excuse.

    As a white person, I don’t really take it that way, because it is true, and because humor is a very intelligent way of dealing with the reality that some people do act that way. Get the reality out there, and if some people get an education about themselves that they weren’t expecting, then so much the better.

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  • Shelley

    Ok, I get it and agree to a point. As often being the”token cracker”, i can relate to both points. If u don’t think tjat racism and prejudices exist in EVERY culture and subculture, then all of your friends must be JUST LIKE U. to everyone who had been a “token”, I say thank you! Tokens break down barriers and change the world, one person at a time. If not for my “token” neighbors, I wouldn’t have my wonderful black husband or my fabulous biracial family. So here’s to “tokens” everywhere. Thanks for making a difference and keeping Dr Kings dream alive!

  • Shelley

    Oh plz. That’s EXACTLY the mind set we r discussing

  • Rosa

    “”The kids I went to school with were mostly white, it was in a more rural area, but even at that they still tried to fit in and act like the black kids. If you go to the mall here you’ll find white kids trying to dress and be like “pimps” and “gangsters” and you will find the black kids at the skate shop buying flannels. And now, as white becomes the minority that becomes more clear. Its not attractive to be pale, sometimes I cry at my paleness, because I know nobody actually thinks pale is beautiful and if they do they are probably brain washed. I can tan in the summer, it looks nice, but its temporary. Everything about being white is temporary.””

    You cry at your paleness? Seriously?!! I’m white, I’m pale. I can’t believe you are pulling this shit on this thread. What you are talking about with the kids dressing like “pimps” is racist bullshit and it’s white people appropriating what they think is black culture. Please follow this link and unpack your privilege.

  • scripttease

    White girls need to come out with their video. Shit black girls say to white girls…. and be real about it too.

  • Kares

    I can relate to this video. I grew up on the north side of town where the residents were predominantly white. My parents have 3 college degrees each and we lived in a big house, nice cars ect & i would get so tired of white “friends” saying things like ” wow its like your not really black” but sadly enough i got teased from my black “friends” as well saying i wasn’t “black enough” as well. Anyways I found this video hilarious.

  • Cmlady

    I grew up in the north, in a primarily white area but there was some diversity. I’ve had some black friends over the years, but talking about race nevere came up. I recently moved to the south and black culture is a lot different here. Blacks and whites don’t interact much and when they do they act they dress and talk the same (whether they are wearing business suits or football jerseys with too much makeup, I just mean they are from the same socioeconomic class). So I don’t have any black friends right now, and watching this video and reading this article makes me nervous, like I should avoid black people so I don’t offend them with microaggressions. I don’t know what it’s like to be black- I wish no one talked about it anymore like when I was growing up, because now it’s politically incorrect to ask if something is racist!

  • Laona J.

    Dang that is insane! I am mixed and never have had someone do something that outlandish but then again I was born in Seattle and lived in San Francisco for three yrs so its very liberal and I have not had anyone ever try to touch my locks except other sistas! If you don’t mind me asking what city and state did this happen in? I have experienced microagressions daily (and probably use them myself against others of various races) in the NW, but I know down south and in the Midwest there still is a lot of blatant racial tension so that post racial stuff Clive mentioned is unbelievable.

  • Amanda

    To the author:

    Things black people say to white people are not examples of microaggression because they aren’t privileged, you say. I’ll buy that.

    But, what do you call it when you get bullied and harassed and threatened for being white?
    If that’s not aggression, what IS it?
    I would truly love to know.

    Someone Bullied for Being White

  • Amanda

    “We have sense.”
    Absolute bullsh*t.
    You are claiming as a race to be more sensible…then I guess all my examples to the contrary are of people who only looked black? Maybe they were really tan? Oh please is right. Unbelievable.

  • Lee

    Ok lets be honest.. the video was just a joke —> A PARODY!! nobody said anything or made a big deal out of Anjelah johnson’s Bon qui qui on mad t.v, where she was a white girl acting like the stereotypical black girl; or Shane dawson as shananay. This is ridiculous. this shows how sensitive Caucasian women can be. Once again it was made to be a joke. Everything the young lady said in the video is without a doubt true, because it has all been said to me. It’s really not that serious.

    Stop making racial connections!!! MY GOD!!

  • Caucasian Woman Who Really Liked The Video

    Are people angry about the video or about the claims being made surrounding it?
    The video WAS funny. Very funny.

    You making statements about “How sensitive Caucasian women can be” is what I find unfunny, inflammatory, ignorant, embarrassing, immature, not helpful.

    - Caucasian Woman Who Really Liked the Video

  • Sandra

    Sophie you have got to understand that urban or inner city black youth or inner city black people in general are not a depiction of all black people and here inlies the problem. Overwhelmingly white people categorize all black people based on behaviors that are largely a direct result of poverty, environment and education. Therefore your video would only help to further perpetuate the falsehood that it is a representation of all or most all blacks. While I don’t believe you are a racist as you do teach in a predominantly African American school, your viewpoint may need some exposure to college educated or middle/working class blacks. I assure you that any video you make based on the group that you have dealt with will not ring true to us nor do we condone or take pride in any behavior that exudes ignorance or self denigration.

  • Sandra

    You took a few punches with the remarks that you’ve made but you took them well. I am a black woman and agree with most of what you wrote. Some of the responses remind me of the clip from “Lean On Me” where Morgan Freeman was excoriated when he spoke to the all too accommodating parents of the black kids in his inner city school. Sometimes we do make it a black and white fight but in actuality racism is only a part of the fight. I do not agree that there is not a system in place to keep black people down. You can take a look at the justice system and the sentences given to black vs white offenders and see that. The goal is obviously not to go to prison but prison is not only a black thing. People make mistakes. Yes today black people are still denied jobs, loans, and privileges based on the color of our skin. It seems you take for granted the centuries of racial conditioning that has to be broken through. It is indeed whites who first taught blacks to hate themselves. I would encourage you to read the Willie Lynch letter. Blessings.

  • C

    Dude, honestly? You cannot compare those things at all. You’re own perception is not, in ANY way, comparable to being COMPLETELY held back based on race.

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  • Dawn

    K, first of all, absorb what C and Rosa have said. They’re spot on. Second, cut it out with the suntanning already. Want to know why white people age so poorly? The affects of the SUN are more damaging to them, causing premature aging and skin cancer. (Yes, people of color can get skin cancer, but it’s much more prevalent among whites.) Start wearing daily sunscreen and get a good non-orange spray tan if being pale causes you such anxiety. However, you can’t buy self-esteem.

    You claim that you are too smart to say the things said in this video, yet you then make comments that are even worse. Please follow the link Rosa posted and get a clue. White people (like me) really do need to examine our privilege and own up to the stupid things we say.

    Also, white people are becoming the minority? In the United States? I cannot even respond to such nonsense because I’m now unconscious from slapping my hand to my forehead too hard.

  • LatinoRevelation

    The article also neglects to spell out the racial privilege of others. For example, we minorities can get away with making racially insensitive jokes towards white while whites will be called out on their veiled racism when they crack a black, Hispanic or Asian joke. So, the road goes both ways. Both sides need to understand their own privilege in respects to race. Asking whites solely to understand their own privilege is simply intellectually dishonest.

  • LatinoRevelation

    It is aggression, racial aggression at that and anyone who denies that fact is either delusional or simply racist themselves…in this case towards whites.

  • LatinoRevelation

    So, in other words you experienced ignorance from whites and blacks due to some nonsense that being successful and proper is an entirely white thing. Being successful and speaking correct English isn’t a racial thing, it’s just the rational way to be.

  • LatinoRevelation

    Well, I hope you wouldn’t be as sensitive if the shoe were on the other foot.

  • Kayla

    The shoe is always on the other foot and its never a joke. When someone “jokes” it always lame as hell. There is only one privilege in this country and that WHITE!! Why are you on this site again?

  • Kayla

    *One group of people

  • LatinoRevelation

    Kayla, you are wrong. It’s not solely white privilege anymore. Every race is privileged in certain ways. Once all races recognize their privileges then race relations can get back on track. As a minority, I’ve come to recognize this fact. It takes guts and courage to do so.

  • LatinoRevelation

    Let me put it this way, any American minority complaining about privilege might want to double check your perspective. I’ve been in America for only 10 years (I’m 22). I’m originally from Nicaragua, the privileges afforded to you Americans are amazing in comparison to my home country. Even American poor have more than those in Nicaragua, so seeing an article like this and seeing Americans complain just is laughable to me. I’m sorry, but those are the facts here. To me, Americans are the 1% of the world while countries like mine are the 99% of the world. Hell, just look at how much time we all have here to debate trivial nonsense like race.

  • Girl

    There are alot of white cunts on here pretending to be “minorities”, not sure why yall bother to respond to their passive aggressive BS. “wah wah black people make fun of me too.” STFU

  • LemonNLime

    Your reasoning makes no sense. Lots of people have more or less than others in the world. The fact of the matter is I am from HERE, not another country, and while I have traveled extensively, this is still my home. Are we supposed to just ignore stupidity, ignorance, and discrimination that many encounter everyday just because some place somewhere else has it worse? Please GTFOHWTBS! IF everyone thought that way about everything, the Arab Spring never would have happened because they had better than someone else. Or what about those Latin Revolutions, like the ones in Nicaragua? At the time they had it better than many in Africa, should they have just ignored their issues and problems because someone else in another country had ti worse? I am KNOW for a fact that y’all down in Latin America have your fair share of racial problems too or are those people supposed to just ignore those issues bc people in Afghanistan have less and few privileges than them.

    And minority privilege is different from white privilege. We may be able to make YT video about them saying stupid stuff but they control the financial, political, economic, medical, judicial, and educational systems in this country. I would much rather have that privilege than be able to by pass political correctness.

  • LatinoRevelation

    Or we actually are who we say we are, but because some of us don’t fall in line with this nonsense we’re automatically “white” antagonists. Whatever makes you sleep soundly at night with your racism.

  • LatinoRevelation

    Now, why is that I feel like I’m not missing out on any of that? Oh wait, spoiled American brats. Nevermind.

  • LemonNLime

    Spoil? Honey your family came immigrated from Nicaragua, clearly you aren’t lacking either. And if I am spoiled for wanting to have equal access to the system, the my tax dollars finance, in my country, so be it. Maybe you and your country men should start demanding the same.

  • LatinoRevelation

    PS Lemon, you’ve proved my point excruciatingly. We had our problems and still do, but we also don’t marginalize people like you Americans do. We don’t make the melanin content of our flesh a big deal. (And here’s a biological history lesson for you: all humans are from Africa. We are all the same. The only difference is due to our separate evolutionary paths did the melanin content of our flesh begin to either darken or lighten to whatever environ our ancestors flourished and evolved in, so you see race is a huge fallacy that only simple minded folk like the inbred rednecks in the South focus on. So in essence anyone doting on race are just like those poor, misguided, moonshine making Neanderthals).

  • LatinoRevelation

    My father worked hard, saved hard for us to come up here. It wasn’t easy. And you do have access to all of that.

  • LemonNLime

    “We had our problems and still do, but we also don’t marginalize people like you Americans do. We don’t make the melanin content of our flesh a big deal.”

    Let’s ask some darker Nicaraguans and get their opinion on that. Please stop trying to act brand new like Latin America is above this. Y’all have just as many problems with race, it is just that in many Latin American countries those minorities are likely to be ignored.

  • LemonNLime

    And you prove the point of some many reasons of why it is important to discuss these things. We all may be made up from the same stuff but we look different and the way in which we look can determine your access to the system and how you are perceived by society. There is one race, the human race blah, blah, blah. Such and cheap PC “color blind” answer and comment. My race and the way I look influences much of my life in the US, believe me I wish it didn’t but I am not so dense as to pretend like it doesn’t.

  • Comrade_Stalin

    Comrades! Why are we fighting when we should be united! United for a Socialist and equal future!

  • Comrade_Stalin

    Racism is a tool utilized by the bourgeoisie to keep the human race from properly uniting and over-throwing their capitalist masters! So, giving into racialist thought only hampers unity amongst the proletariat. Agreed, that issues need to be addressed, but doing so in the fashion of Right Wing oligarchs (ie: giving into racialist thought) is not the answer. That’s what the bourgeois wants.

    Long Live the Socialist Revolution!

  • LemonNLime

    FYI white people DON’T try to compare you paleness to minorities as a manner to garnish sympathy or feel like you can relate to us. Considering people that look like you are plastered all over everything in every single country, I don’t think the idea of white beauty is going anywhere anytime soon.

    Also props to Rosa for letting you have it. K you need to take that mess somewhere else.

  • Comrade_Stalin

    The racial schism currently undermining Americans is an affront to the dream Martin Luther King, Jr. had. It’s a shame!

  • Chrissy

    I am starting to hate the term ‘people of color’

    Just another way to lump everyone together and ignore differences.

    This is how you get ‘people of color’ telling black people about their problems.

  • LatinoRevelation

    Lemon, I understand your fury. It’s due to the idea that I’ve given you facts, but you can’t reconcile with it. Oh well, maybe in time. Until then, keep wallowing in your fabricated victimhood.

  • Comrade_Stalin

    Any term that separates people into labels such as color or race dehumanizes people.

  • Girl

    ‘This is how you get ‘people of color’ telling black people about their problems.”

    I agree Chrissy. Personally I dont consider them part of my people.

  • Krantzstone

    I would suggest that it is precisely because you are an immigrant that you do not understand the plight of black America. Being a racial minority does not automatically make you an expert on all matters pertaining to race, and as an immigrant, you have spent comparatively less time in the United States and do not have the necessary life experience under racial oppression to be able to make the kind of determinations you’re making.

    To you, these issues may appear to be ‘First World Problems’, but with regards to race in America, and especially in the case of the descendants of black slavery in America, these are issues integral not only to the fabric of the nation in terms of history, but in terms of personal history, to know that when they trace their family tree as far back as they can, they will inevitably hit a point where they come to a dead end where that point is when their ancestors were forcibly enslaved and brought to North America by Spanish and British slave traders, and they can’t trace their roots back to whatever part of Africa their ancestors came from. They can’t name a nation, a culture, a language, none of the things which help define a people as much as skin colour or content of character.

    For all that your family left Nicaragua (for whatever reasons) and you have experienced what social problems Nicaraguans face that I do not claim to understand, to state unequivocably that the erasing of black American women from history is wrong, does not in any way minimize your own experience: it is simply a different one. You asserted the idea that every race has some form of privilege, and I don’t disagree there, but so too do I posit that it is possible to view the immigrant experience as one which retains its own privilege, as strange and seemingly contradictory as that may seem.

    The traditional view of pioneering immigrants is one of hard work, surmounting great odds (especially in the case of refugees) just to get to a new country, but to face the inevitable xenophobia, racism and insecurity of the local populace who feel threatened by a sudden influx of strangers with different languages, customs, skin colour, foods, etc. not to mention hard-working and willing to work for less pay (since they have to do anything and everything to make ends meet).

    But there’s an aspect of the immigrant experience that is often overlooked: no matter what the circumstances which led to leaving their home country to strike out on their own in a new, foreign land, and even where their home country is full of war, famine, strife, etc., an immigrant still knows who they are, and where they came from. The same cannot be said for those who are the descendants of slaves, who had no choice in the matter of being in North America, and whose entire languages, cultures, mores, traditions, histories were effectively taken from them. They’ve had their sense of continuity as a people deprived them, something that has not happened to the immigrant.

    In that sense, it is a privilege to be able to know who you are, and where you came from. Those of us who do know it, don’t even realize how lucky we are to have that: we simply take it for granted. As an immigrant to North America and a person of colour, I have experienced my share of racism at the hands of others, and so I can speak to that experience. But I will _never_ know what it’s like not to know where I came from, to not even be able to name a specific country or even a specific part of a continent that I might be from. For all that I haven’t really kept up with my home culture (I came to Canada when I was very young and perhaps to a certain extent internalized the racism I experienced to the point where I rejected my own culture and embraced assimilationism), I realize now that it’s a luxury to be able to say ‘well, I know where I came from, I just didn’t care enough about it to keep up with the language or cultural learning’, because there are so many in North America, not just black Americans but the aboriginal First Nations people as well, who had no choice in the matter of the knowledge, much less retention, of their own language, culture, traditions, mores, histories, etc. because that all was taken from them and their peoples long before they were born.

    So yes, while you may be a member of a minority in the United States, and as a person of colour you may have experienced some measure of racial oppression yourself, whether personal or systemic, that does not automatically qualify you to pass judgment or make assumptions about the difficulties experienced by other ethnic minorities in America, but especially on the plight of black America which is very much specific to the United States (and perhaps to a slightly lesser extent in Canada) and to them as a people.

    Of course it’s difficult to understand, and I make no great claims to be anywhere close to understanding the daily experience of black Americans in the United States (or even Canada) but I know that I want to make that effort, to even for a moment try to put myself in their shoes and see things from their point of view, and to try and comprehend all the myriad interconnected and inextricably linked social issues which are the direct result of black slavery in America and the continued existence of white privilege which disadvantages them and impacts them in ways that even ethnic minority immigrants can’t even begin to comprehend.

  • Krantzstone

    I don’t disagree that the use of the term ‘people of colour’ is problematic because it’s an umbrella term used to encompass _all_ minorities, regardless of the major differences in their experiences that make each community unique in their needs and wants in terms of egalitarian treatment in society.

    That being said, I think it’s useful politically to use the term when speaking on matters common to all ethnic minorities when it comes to combatting things like racism and systemic racial discrimination and oppression, because there is strength in numbers. I think it’s also important to see the commonalities in our experiences in order to stand united against racism, rather than allow our differences to divide and weaken us.

  • Wow.

    You are all morons. Black, white, purple… you are all morons.

    How can you condemn racism in one sentence and then say something blatantly racist in the next? White people always say this, black people always do that… you can’t be serious. You’re trying to fight fire with fire, and it makes every one of you look ignorant. This is a Youtube parody, and a mediocre one at that. Maybe if black and white people could quit pointing their fingers at one another we could actually get something done in this country. But sadly no, insignificant differences between us are far more important than, oh I don’t know… Genocide, famine, war, corruption, violence – very real issues happening every day in the world we live in… but you’re right, this Youtube video is much more important. How silly of me.

  • Lauren

    This video is important, regardless if it is a parody or not. Microaggressions have weight, and impact people’s lives everyday. I am shocked at the amount of comments saying 1. that racism doesn’t exist, or 2. that it is somehow not important. Yes, there are other issues such as war and famine around the world, but why is that coming into conversation right now? This video is not about war or famine or whatever. It is about microagressions and racism in North American countries. Whether you are a “person of colour” (I use this term loosely for several reasons as cited by others) or a white person, you are implicated in this issue. I am at a loss of words right now. Caring about racism is not being spoiled, and I can’t believe some people are equating that. Caring about racism is part of a complicated web of power relations and fighting oppression.

  • PDemon

    Foolishness. This article is a piece of trash written by someone who came in planning on defending the video, and did so. The author says, in no uncertain terms, that it’s okay for black people to be racists. Because the racist remark of a black person “doesn’t carry as much weight.” I know that when I am discriminated against, it certainly carries weight. Perhaps she is suggesting that white people just don’t have feelings and therefore aren’t hurt by the comments?

    Pointing to the quote from Tim Wise, it refers to a bank loan. Well, I know I don’t control any banks, so I can’t respond to a racist insult by denying a bank loan.

    The video was in poor taste at best. Even if some of the things said have actually happened to her with specific people, the video is a generalization; everything she does in that video is suggested to be normal. Consider Chris Rock or Dave Chappelle… now take one of their skits that involves a racial group and apply the individual character to the entire racial group. That’s what Ms. Ramsey did.

    As for the “our ancestors were slaves” stuff… please STFU. The reason so many public universities had or currently have quota systems is because of that kind of bitching. And guess what? Slavery ended 149 years ago. The oldest living person is about 110. That means that outside of rare cases, the closest any living person comes to American slavery is that one or both of their grandparents were slaves. Krantzstone… I’m going to wager that you are close to 20. So if we assume 25 as the average child-bearing age… that would mean that maybe your great-great-great-great grandparents were slaves.

  • Yes Sir

    While I’m probably boarding the same boat as Lenore, Angala, I find it hard to believe you. Nothing about what I read is heartfelt. You have not taken your situation and fairly compared it to your so-called friends other than saying that you come from the same place and time. You have not compared your living situation (growing up) to theirs or even given compassion to your possible advantage over theirs.
    Your “rant”, as you call it, just lacks emotion and I simply don’t buy it.

  • ConstantDreamerPdx

    I wonder if people will listen when it comes from the mouth of a white person. It’s a shame that it has to come from that angle for the message really to be heard.

  • hydrabadchik

    I think people will certainly listen to what comes out of the mouth of a white person – but I guess there may be qualifiers as to how much credibility is given depending on the listener and the topic.

    I mean as a black woman with unprocessed hair – I will take hair advice from another black woman with unprocessed hair over that of anyone else.

    There was a rather controversial article about black travellers to Russia – black people were ROUNDLY chastised by non-black posters when we said that we would credit black travellers’ reports about the black experience abroad far more than when non-blacks tell the stories of black travellers.

    Anyone can talk about any topic they want – and I personally will read/listen. I’m not unique in that reaction. Lots of readers/listeners will pay attention to varied responses to any given topic. I believe there is tacit agreement on the part of most that all views are a relevant part of the story.

    To my thinking what this woman is saying with her video is: “thick skin, patience, forbearance” – don’t leave home without it!

    As for the Nicraguan poster here who stands firmly on the ground that black people in the US are perpetuating atttention to trivia. Really?? And that these kinds of conversations only happen among the 1%er planetwise? Yeah?

    Let’s travel around the world and see if there’s no-one else complaining vitriolically because some “minor” action of social etiquette happened or didn’t happen. Neither the US, nor the “west” is unique in the world in terms giving importance to microaggressions or micromanners or whatever else one wants to call these interactions.

  • Kori

    I laughed my head off at this video. And I’m white. White people do go around saying stupid things to black people, largely out of ignorance. Black people cannot generally afford to be ignorant about white people. Humour is one of the best tools to get people to look at themselves. I hope to see more of this comedian’s work soon.

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  • Alicia

    I think the videos are interesting however I have a few points:

    *There is a huge meme of just about every type of person (Black, Arab, Indian, East Asian, gay, etc.) lashing out at white “girls” as if we are one monotone privileged group with bleach blonde hair out of LA. The anger is so thick you can cut it with a knife. And I am not exactly sure how white women are responsible for say, the plight of East Asian women. That seems a bit far removed from the domestic American experience but I am sure I will get flamed for my “insensitivity.” While this type of video was funny at first, it devolved into a nasty, sexist, stereotyped anger-fest.

    * You can only push the racial guilt idea so far. I know of people who won’t be friends with certain races because they don’t like “white guilt” heaped on them. They don’t like having to watch every word they say. Frighteningly I know businesses who won’t hire blacks because they have been sued for discrimination so many times–when it is a black against a white, the court rules against the white. These include divisions at fortune 500 companies–good jobs for people of any race. So, unfortunately, I think some of these memes make racism worse and not better.

  • whatever

    I would simply like to state that from what I’ve seen, people in America tend to take a lot of pride in where they come from. There is a large amount of grouping that occurs based on fortune, education, heritage, and race. Whether you choose to relate to these aspects of your life is really up to you. Don’t get me wrong not every single person on the face of the planet chooses to see past race but thats my point. Its a choice we all make. The majority of my heritage is German; almost all of it actually. This does not however mean that I wander around with a swastika shouting “Heil Hitler!” and believing myself to be above or greater than Jewish people or non-Germans.
    The reason I point this out is to show the extreme of taking so much pride in where you come from and your “people”. If you come across something new to you or something you don”t understand you are curious and desire to learn more about this new thing. Its the same with people. If you meet somebody from a different country you are curious about their way of life and their customs. Nobody questions the purity of your intent in that scenario. However if you’ve never met a black or white or brown person and are unaware of their culture or various aspects of their lives you are automatically racist. This is simply unfair. By deeming these curious people racist you are being racist towards not only them but yourself. By assuming they are asking questions or making uninformed comments because they are racist towards your skin color or heritage, you are allowing that there is a reason for them to feel that way. No matter how far society comes there will always be faux pas. When these mistakes in judgement or these comments simply borne of ignorance are simply looked at for what they truly are their power is lost.
    Basically what i’m trying to say is that while you can drone on about “white supremacy” or whatever else; you’re the one who gives these comments power. You can choose to rise above the unintended provocation. If you don’t give these other people power over you they won’t have the ability to anger you or make you question yourself. Just some food for thought.

  • Krantzstone

    Unfortunately, that’s an incredibly simplistic view of the complexities of race in North American society.

    The fact is, it’s incredibly frustrating to have to deal with the ignorance of others, even when those people are not meaning to be racist. This video was simply highlighting this fact in a humorous manner, and it is the people who felt offended or slighted because of the video who’ve made a huge issue about the video being ‘racist against white people’.

    It’s not ‘racist’ to point out other people’s ignorance or internalized racist views which they ignorantly act upon.

    It’s easy for a member of the dominant majority group in society to tell minorities that we need to ‘get over it’, or not let these incidents affect us, but members of a dominant majority group don’t know, and will never know what it’s like to have to put up with comments, questions and attitudes like this every single day from ignorant people who not only don’t know better, but don’t care enough to want to know. It’s tiring, frustrating, maddening, and it wears away at a person’s patience for the ignorance of others, especially when it is relates so directly to race.

    The reality is that the kinds of comments and attitudes parodied in the video underline the incredibly amount of ignorance that the dominant white majority in society have about minorities, and specifically in this case about black people in America. It matters how people treat each other in society, and especially in the case of something as sensitive as the question of race (and I might point out that the question of race is sensitive precisely _because_ of racism that minorities have experienced: we’re not being prickly about race just for fun, or for the sake of it, it’s a direct emotional response to being treated as different, as alien, as something not normal, to be discriminated against, to have little racial comments thrown our way, to overhear racist remarks and jokes, right on down to being threatened because of our skin colour, to be bullied and ostracized, to simply being beaten, maimed and or killed simply for not being white).

    No one is suggesting that the sort of things parodied in the video is anything as frightening as a cross burned on one’s lawn. But the sort of ignorance that’s exemplified in the video is a symptom of a greater societal malaise, which is the total lack of interest by the dominant majority ethnicity in learning more about those in the minority, simply because they don’t have to. They don’t have to care about being sensitive to the feelings of other ethnicities, they don’t have to care about knowing anything more, because it does not impact the dominant majority ethnicity negatively to remain ignorant.

    My sister was telling me about how, not too long ago, she met some white guy on the internet who truly believed that Asian women have vaginas that run horizontally rather than vertically.

    I mean, COME ON!? In this great age of the internet, where we can look all kinds of things up (including porn, which would quickly disabuse anyone of such silly and unscientific notions), there are people who believe that various races are so fundamentally different from each other that we have differing genitalia, or (as the article author pointed out), ‘tails’?!?!

    Honestly, this says more about the state of education in North America than it does about racism, because anyone who even knows the slightest bit about science, anthropology and/or biology knows that racial differences in humans are quite literally skin deep, and “…there is greater variation within “racial” groups than between them.” (from “Statement on ‘Race’” (1998), American Anthropological Association).

  • Fred

    Actually, slavery persisted well into the 1920′s under a system called peonage, which was arguably worse than slavery. Do your research.

  • ReadandLaugh

    I googled “Shit black girls say to white girls” just to see if anything would come up, and I found this article. Clearly, Harris is defending Ramsey’s video. And that’s fine. I’m sure you could easily find an article written by a white woman in strong opposition of the video. The point is, this video and the other “Shit ______ say” videos has probably pissed off as many people as it has delighted. I admit, I’ve laughed hysterically at some of the other videos (mainly the “Shit girls say to gay guys” video because I know for a fact that I, unfortunately, have said some of those things).

    I agree with Wow. in that there’s a lot of uproar surrounding this, and other, videos. I laughed the first time I saw Ramsey’s video, but as time wore on, I became more and more offended. Why was it okay for her to just assume that all young white women think this way? Then I read this article and the comments that followed and I realized….we’re all a little too pissed off about a video, and that Ramsey has probably gotten at least a little of what she wanted. I can only assume that there’s an on-going dialogue about the video taking place in college dorms and libraries all over the country, and Ramsey wanted people to discuss the issue. Now we’re discussing it, and I’m sure there are people sitting in front of their computers, steam literally pouring out of their ears, as they read poorly written comments about their given race (black, white, Asian, what have you).

    I’d love to make a video entitled “Shit healthy people say to disabled (mentally or physically) people” and see what kind of reaction that gets. Unfortunately, I don’t think it would get nearly the same reaction as this and other similar videos would get. *Soapbox time* People make jokes way too commonly, and cavalierly, about disabled or handicapped people, and yet there’s less of an outcry when it happens.

  • All-Love

    If you are a “minority” with a skin color that is light, please do not pretend to know what it is like to be Black in America. It is wonderful that you can come to this country and prosper. That is really great. And many Black people do the same every day.

    But there is much work left to be done here. Do not disrespect the perspective of a people who’s backs literally built the foundation of the country.

    And don’t be fooled into thinking that because you cannot see, or experience something yourself, that it does not exist.

  • Mo

    Dear LatinoRevolution,

    It’s possible that because you were a child when you came to the United States you didn’t recognize the racism that continues to exist in your country of origin. However, to state that racism doesn’t exist in Latin America is indifference and denial because it surely does continue. And since you’re so proud of being Latino why don’t you do yourself a favor and educate yourself on your own culture’s problems with racism instead of denying it. Search – racism in Latin America and you’ll see that you are very misinformed.
    There are literally hundreds of pages of information on the subject if you search for it and take your head out of the sand. And remember where ever there was black slavery there continues to be racism that obviously includes Latin America because that’s where the majority of African slaves were brought to.

    Where do you think terms such as;
    Mestizo: Spanish father and Indian mother
    Castizo: Spanish father and Mestizo mother
    Espomolo: Spanish mother and Castizo father
    Mulatto: Spanish and black African
    Moor: Spanish and Mulatto
    Albino: Spanish father and Moor mother
    Throwback: Spanish father and Albino mother
    Wolf: Throwback father and Indian mother
    Zambiago: Wolf father and Indian mother
    Cambujo: Zambiago father and Indian mother
    Alvarazado: Cambujo father and Mulatto mother
    Borquino: Alvarazado father and Mulatto mother
    Coyote: Borquino father and Mulatto mother
    Chamizo: Coyote father and Mulatto mother
    Coyote-Mestizo: Cahmizo father and Mestizo mother
    Ahi Tan Estas: Coyote-Mestizo father and Mulatto mother

    came from? If there was no racism in Latin America then these racial classifications would not exist. And let’s not forget -In the history of Latin America over the last 500 years or so, the relationships among three races have been a key factor. In the beginning, there were the various indigenous groups. Then came the European colonizers, who later brought black slaves from Africa. The relationships among these racial groups have at times been tumultuous — war, slaughter, subjugation, slavery, exploitation, miscegenation, …

    The administration of the vast colonies was placed in the hands of nationals of the European empires. These administrators were rewarded estates for their efforts, and naturally inheritance rights became a significant issue. As a male may have multiple children with multiple women, the rights of these apparent heirs have to be defined, particularly when some of the mothers were not pure Europeans.

    So before you comment on how trivial the debate on race is in our country, please do research on your country of origin. Just because YOU didn’t experience racism in Nicaragua doesn’t mean that no one in Nicaragua does! Learn something about your own people and get your head out of the sand, denial is a dangerous thing…

  • holyschmoly.

    I find this all quite ridiculous to tell you the truth, but the fact of the matter is this video should be no more offensive to white women than the stupid statements that are being made to the black women in the video…but they are. period. Now I have many black friends and we have been openly discussing this whole article and the video and we all fibd it quite ridiculous because unless your being personally called or your guilty of the ignorance than you really have no place to be offended & as far as the matter of being called honkey and cracker that is equally offensive as the n word and quite frankly I never expect to be called some ignorant racial slur unless your expecting me to say something equally rude and hateful back…because thats what its about right…equality. now I think racism is a person by person issue and its ignorant to think that white people don’t face racial issues as well…there are stupid people out there of all shapes, colors & origin…and if you don’t realize that then I guess you fall into that exact category.

  • Agree

    very true. I don’t think people see the that side of the coin. and i am black from south carolina…and i see both sides, but the latter of what was said is true. it needs to stop.

  • Agree

    which i find funny. it’s literally the same. stereotypes stereotypes.

  • This is sad…

    this pot stirring..I think the pots’ insides have already melted away so there’s really nothing left to stir. Still, the pot gets stirred and this mindless zombie like action keeps going on and on and on until we die. Did someone curse us forever or something or…can we just wake up and stretch our hands and walk away from the stove? That shouldn’t be suuuch a hard thing to do? Humm…seems like the former is true. Such a shame would like to read normal debates again and read normal articles that didn’t charm people into this zombie action. Muuustt fiiight the urrrggee to not stir the pooot…turning off the stove.

  • indie

    So much of this conversation is disturbing. Racism is alive and thriving

  • Brice D.

    To the guy who said all Americans are more privileged then Nicaraguans: LISTEN there is a difference between a country that’s in poverty then a people in a wealthy country that’s oppresed.. You laugh because you didn’t not come up with the same- non rights and lack of access to resources as mainstrem america. Understand that there were pre meditated plots, calcula to a grain by some of the smartest people in the world to make sure the “right” people stayed on top and the “not right” people down. In capitalism you have to have a poor class the goal was to have as many mainstream americans on top which means keeping the minority down. End with this.. Its much easier to cope when everbody’s poor then to be poor watching rich people pass you buy with enough to support your extended family twice ! That does somthing to your brain. !!

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  • YouDon’tKnowMeLikeThat

    I’d ask you to consider the bigger picture. In college, I had some of my first experiences with people of other races and cultures. My dorm neighbors included someone from most of the check off categories under race. We made an agreement one night to ask each other the questions that we had about each others’ experiences with our own race/culture….and to understand that the questions were coming from a place of true ignorance. How would we find out the other person’s perspective if we didn’t ask? The result was amazing. Stereotypes were discussed and laid to rest, prejudices were slaughtered and racism took a big hit. Minds were opened…and any time that happens it has a domino effect. Our discussion was ongoing over many months and even years, and each time we’d begin with, “I am completely ignorant about this, please help me to understand….”

    Perhaps, sometimes, “Shit White Girls Say To Black Girls” is less about microaggression and more about those white girls trying to acknowledge their ignorance and find someone to assist them with moving past what their parents, friends, and society has taught them….to learn from a real person. I feel lucky that my racial and cultural mentors understood my intent to learn and nurtured my quest for understanding.

    As one half of an interracial marriage, I believe that we have a duty to society to serve as role models and ambassadors to society. Its our job to answer questions, dispel prejudices and stereotypes and to pave the way for our children to have a more informed, open minded society in which to live. Is it fair? No. But its imperative that we make a strong effort.

  • Merideth

    I am a white female and I think the video is hilarious. I am pretty sure that I have never said any of those things but I also grew up in a very diverse town and went to school with people from every back ground. I have lived in towns that were mostly white and I have heard white women say the things mentioned on the youtube video. I don’t think it’s racism, more like ignorance from never been around anyone but white people.

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  • Jasmine

    It sounds like you hung out with stupid girls.

  • Rhonda

    As a white girl, I found the video both hilarious and painfully true. I myself have been ignorant of how black people, and people of other races, really experience race, and I never will completely understand. And I think that’s where unintentionally racist comments like the ones in this video come from: we’re trying to understand, to bridge the huge gap our ancestors left us, but in terms of racial sensitivity, the weight of history is not on our side.

    I hate to be that white girl who says, “I have black friends, so it’s OK,” but I have had a couple of really close black friends over the years and I’ve talked with them about this very issue. It seems to me that the worst thing anyone can do is to assume that they know how someone of another race feels. The best thing we can do is be honest about our own story, and then really listen, with an open mind, to other people’s stories.

  • Michelle

    I find this article offensive. I live in the south. I’m proud of my heritage. I get tired of hearing about the crimes done to black people. You were not slaves, you were never raped, starved, sold and you never felt the sting of a whip. Please stop using that as a crutch. To say that microaggression isn’t that bad if your white is bull. You have other races that deal with the same thing. Todays government is geared to helping the minority before the white, isn’t that in fact racist? I am an honest person and the friends that I have know and respect my opinions even if they don’t share them. So people want honesty to a certain extent I am racist. I dislike being around anyone that doesn’t speak English as a first language or fluently. I dislike white people who act black and vice versa. I dislike black people pulling the slave/racist card whenever something isn’t thing their way. I believe ALL illegal immigrants should be deported. I believe that instead of no taxes you should send all foreigners home. Black people never asked to come here, the white people of that time brought them here, by kidnapping or buying them from other black people. I also think that black people are holding onto something so far on the past it’s unreal. You don’t hear white people going around saying how bad they had it as slaves, do you? And I could care less what anyone says in response to this comment, keep in mind it’s still a free world and opinions are still the thoughts and beliefs of one person.

  • Greg

    I appreciate your honesty, although it seems you, yourself, suspect you’re being an outright racist. If you’re intelligent enough to read this reply, know that your inability to construct a sentence correctly lends credence to the fact that you are indeed ignorant; I would not be surprised if you were a high school drop-out! That being said, I can’t get upset about your statement, as it’s obviously from someone that is not that smart, which goes along with your ignorance. Like a 3 year old, you simply don’t know any better, but hopefully one day you will grow up and become a more productive member of society.

  • Dawn

    I’m sorry but i found this to be incredibly funny, and I’m black. I’ve never had this experience myself, even though i have been around white people all my life. actually went to a majority white private school and had a lot of friends who were white. but yeah…i think it was just meant to be an eye-opener. no need to get angry over it. black people stereotype white girls as being “beckys” too, so it really does go both ways, if we’re all being honest.
    and i know for a fact that my husband dealt with racism on his job, to the extent that there would be white customers who would specify, here in Valdosta Georgia, that they refused to allow any black mechanics work on their cars (he worked at a car dealership). It went further than that, too, but i won’t divulge all.
    but i just would hate for anyone to be in the dark as to whether or not racism exists. because it is alive and well in the US of A, and it isn’t that hard to find. you don’t even hafta look for it, as a matter of fact- it’ll find you. with regards to the article, i do agree with the sentiments expressed by the author in that the majority group gets the set the standard and reserves the right (however not morally right, in actuality) to remain insensitive to the dignity of the minority population. Hence why white people were able to get away with killing off many upon many ethnic populaces in Africa, Australia and the islands surrounding, the Americas, India, etc.
    It’s the pink elephant in the room but it is a fact. White privilege exists. Let it be made known. And until they become the minority it more than likely always will continue to exist.

  • Michelle

    Thank you so much for writing this! The video itself is great in that it has sparked all these discussions about race, but this rebuttal to everyone’s criticisms is actually the most needed, I think. Even if people don’t agree with what you have to say at least you’re getting them to think about it a bit more.

    And for anyone doubting the force of racism today…remember the civil rights movement happened only 50 years ago…and racism didn’t just go *poof* when it ended either…just look at how many people of color are in jail as opposed to whites even though they are the minority…think about it

  • Mei

    Actually, women of color ARE still being raped, not just in the south but all over this nation. We are raped at a number grossly disproportionate to whites because in this country our sexuality is portrayed as radically different from that of white women. I’m Asian. Many of my people are STILL slaves, both under the table domestically as servants or sex slaves in this country, and overseas in sweatshops and the sex trade. The government isn’t trying to make black people or other people of color more privileged than whites, they’re just trying to undo some of the damage done by slavery, Jim Crow, and other laws and facts of history that kept people of color FAR behind whites. Things like affirmative action haven’t even made people of color EQUAL yet, so I don’t know why you’re whining about the government trying to help us before they help you. You don’t need as much help and yet in many places you still get more of it from the government. White people actually receive more welfare than any other race.

    Also, the reason that many people come to this country illegally is because of things the US has done to their country. The USA has interfered in the affairs of so many Latin American countries just to prevent the spread of communism, often by installing or supporting regimes that led to the subjugation and murder of huge numbers of their citizens. They still give guns to Mexico, which go to cartels there and in major cocaine producers Columbia and Peru. Because of American selfishness and obsession with money and power, many countries south of the border have been so ravaged politically or otherwise that citizens often have no choice to come here as fast as they can. That doesn’t usually leave room for going through the complicated and tedious legal immigration process.

  • Classie

    No we we’ve not felt the sting of a whip, and some of us were and still are raped out of racism. However the slave mentality, the 400 and some years of oppression, and the mentality that; white is right, black is wack, straight is great, and you’re unhappy if you’re nappy, STILL sticks with some black people. Our ancestors and our lives were physically set free however the put-down of black people has lasted, and still lasts, ESPECIALLY in the south. I’m a witness. Being from Pittsburgh, I was used to the behind your back racism. I was used to seeing natural hair and permed hair. However when I moved down south, natural hair was a social crime. People, both black and white, would tell me, “Why don’t you fix your hair?” and “Why is your hair like that?” oh and my favorite, “You don’t have good hair.” I went through childhood (0-12) thinking that black people had NO power, no right, no ownership of anything. What you’re NOT understanding is that the mental, the mindset, the nailed-in-oppression that flows throughout the black person’s mentality has never been removed. It has never been removed because nobody wants to take the time to remove it. We were brainwashed and we’re expected to be reprogrammed with no time or effort or acknowledgement of the need of reprogramming. So Ms. Michelle these crimes happened, the stories of them passed down from great grandmother, to grandmother, to daughter, to granddaughter, to great granddaughter. So tell me how we’re just suppose to get over it and move on when we’ve been trying to make racism “go away” or “stop” instead of truly acknowledging that it still exists?

  • Classie

    By the way, this is coming from a high school freshman. Just shedding some light on what I’ve collected in my short life.

  • Keri

    That one’s easy! Because it’s a “white” everything else.

  • Keri

    And as a white girl, u rock! Thanks for being open minded :)

  • Keri

    You have quite an opinion Ms. lt’s hogwash. You are doing just as little as the people you seem not to have any respect for to keep this country that you personally feel so entitled to up and running.

  • Keri

    Video is outrageously funny and poignantly true!!!

  • ronja

    I see why white people feel offended by this if they’re easily offended, but come on. One should be able to laugh at those things yet take it somewhat seriously at the same time. I laughed because I could relate! lol I’ve heard so many of those she mentions.

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  • Kelsey

    I can totally see where Michelle is coming from. I’ve had some ive had some of the same opinions myself as far as black people using slavery as a crutch and disliking the illegals and wishing they all would go back to where ever they came from. The thing is though we will never ever know what it is like for any other race but our own or even another individual of the same race. All we have is pur own perspective and all we can do it try to learn from one another. I have admitidly said some of the thongs to my black friend that are in this video… purly bc i didn’t know and felt close enough to her to ask. I think it’s funny and true.

  • Jennifer Elliott

    I would also like to bring to attention that I am Native American and proud (say it LOUD, say it LOUD) ahem… I digress. I am native American and do you know what I have to endure EVERY HALLOWEEN??? A bunch of different races of women dressed up as a “sexy Pocahontas”. This is not only extremely racist, but extremely offensive and sexist towards native American women. It makes people think that all native women wear fringe crop tops with their boobs pushed up to mercury and a skimpy thin deerskin skirt showing their asscheeks with high heel mocassins. No one type of racism is worse than any other.

  • Jennifer Elliott

    Part 2…It is all unacceptable. You know one a white friend of mine told me (as if she was actually a medical doctor or some shit) that black people had more ‘rubbery bones’ hence why they were able to jump higher, run faster, etc. needless to say I was quick to fact check her unintentional ignorance (though I am not black, I have morals. And that is unacceptable stereotyping. Period.) For years of my life I’ve had to sit in elementary and middle school classes listening to skewed versions of history about native Americans and their “aggressive nature” or “peace-pipe-passing indignities” and by my age now of 24, I’m fed up.

  • Jennifer Elliott

    Part 3…. If one race is stereotyping and displaying ignorance, it will be reciprocated by many others. That is human nature. It is extremely sad and unfortunate, but look at the psychology of the human race related to sexuality…. Ever seen the category “interracial” on a porn site before?? What makes this exist? If you think it’s just racial preference as far as sex goes you are mistaken. It’s much much deeper than that often relating to power, dominance, inferiority complexes, etc. So anyway, not to beat a dead horse, I was just glad I came across this article and figured I would take the opportunity to share my thoughts. Thanks for sharing your story

  • annn

    So let me get this right. It’s okay to say that all white people act a certain way, that it’s racist to dislike rap music, that white people should just shut up when they feel that they are being pushed into a role that they don’t like? All this because we need to treat black people basically as precious children that are too lovely and have been through too much to take the critisizm as adults? Is racism prevalent against white people? NO. Is this even racism? probably not. But it IS predujice. I’m sorry but I refuse to treat black people any differently than anyone else. To me THAT*S RACIST. If you refuse to call someone out for being a dick because he’s black, I think that is racist.

    Are white people in power? Yes and that sucks. Racism against black people is a HUGE issue and this a just some chick making a video. But to say that I do not have the right to be offended by it is friggin twisted. I do not like rap music either. Should we PRETEND to like it so you feel better? I’ts an art form ffs! Does not liking da vinci mean i hate itallians? Making huge generalisations is NOT okay if it makes people think that the majority of the people you are commenting on are LIKE that.

  • Joe Black

    Can y’all just move back to Africa and cause problems there instead? Soooo sick of the whining and having to walk on eggshells around black people who really aren’t contributing much of anything to society anyway. Haven’t we suffered enough for slavery?

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  • Britt

    Very well played & a great response, completely agree. Kudos

  • lusa

    Whites deserve rasism because they started it.

  • lissa

    Personally, I’ve said some stupid things. My very best friend, Asia, is black and once I revealed I didn’t think black people got pimples. This stemmed from knowing a bunch of freaking beautiful skinned black Americans in my lifetime, but I wouldn’t call my awkward naivety aggression and I don’t think she would either. I find it kind of disheartening that you’re so flippant about racism when the roles are reversed, though.. I do not consider the video offensive at all, I thought it was funny and it DID make me think, but that doesn’t lead me to dismiss racism against me. I have been told that I can’t be trusted because I’m white, that I’m somehow better off because I’m white, that I couldn’t understand racism or what its like to be a minority because I’m white. Why are the things I face (sexism, for one) less important because of MY race? I want all people to be treated well and equally regardless of race, sex, sexuality or background, and to me that involves addressing racism wherever it comes from and whoever its aimed at as well as every other phobia or ism. Everyone struggles in some way and everyone has been held back by something in our lives, a good change for everyone would be realizing that EVERYONE deserves to live without racism.

  • Bonnie Rook

    I am the sort of “liberal, anti-racist ally” that you speak of…and I thank you for this piece. I had always heard people ask why racial slurs towards white people weren’t deemed as hurtful as their black/hispanic counterparts…and though I could never explain it, it always hurt me worse to hear someone say “nigger” than “honky.” Now I understand why that is! Because you are right: the slur is as far as it gets for those of “caucasian privilege.” For others, it’s indicative of a culture that oppresses the minority and all the negative repercussions that oppression renders.

    Thanks for writing such an eloquent article!

  • Duchess78

    She was not saying you have to like rap music…in fact, she was saying just the opposite. Her friend apologized profusely for NOT liking rap music, which showed her pre-conceived notion that it was the writer’s music of choice. You obviously didn’t get that.

  • Duchess78

    That’s ignorant. Racism has been going on since Biblical times before there were “white people” and there were actual races. Also, learn to spell, because you’re making yourself look pretty ignorant.

  • Duchess78

    “Cause problems” = expect equal pay and equal opportunity. I wish you, Joe Black, would move back to Europe or wherever you’re from because I’m betting you’re not Native American and am certain that that kind of stupidity only hurts race relations.

  • Kate

    Yea sexism does suck, considering I’m black AND a woman I get both spectrums, go figure.

  • take their medals away

    blacks are more hated than Muslims again. they are the biggest racists and crybabies of any culture.

  • Truth

    OMG perhaps, the like white girls are like overly sensitive! Ohh, wow I didn’t mean it like THAT!l
    (Runs out of room with tears streaming down face)…..

  • Angela

    Im sorry but we Natives own this , you whites will never recognize just cant wait till you race is wiped out it will be for everyones best interest

  • Court F

    This is in little relation, BUT I went to journalism camp too! People look at me like I have two heads when I say it though lol

  • TheBigSmoke

    Even with a different history to African Americans, many, if not most black people in Britain can identify with the video. There would be a couple of additional takes though. I was born, bred and live in Britain. I am a black woman. As black people we’re often asked by white people “so where are you from?” I respond by saying Warwickshire. The questioner looks blank as if to say, “no, that answer does not compute”. They venture further, “no, where are you REALLY from…”. Their understanding is that with such dark skin how could I possibly be British born? I must come from ‘somewhere…other’. If I had a penny for overtime…

  • Na

    Wow… Degrading a person by the color of their skin is inhumane. In the past, white people have been the source for such degrading and dehumanizing races and cultures unlike their own. It is safe to say that society is getting better, mainly because African Americans have fought for their right to be apart of it, but in the long time span of racial inequality, these past forty to fifty years have been the years we regain our strength that got tooken from us in the past. Yes, we were once queens and kings and taught many nations, before we were robbed and killed and dehumanized by white people. For years there has been many stereotypes for black men and women alike. In this video, she points out questions and comments that white girls have said to me pleeeenty of times and I have to say that their goal is to point out how I am different from them. Is it so hard to believe that black people have a voice too?
    P.S. Next time you want to see who owns the place… look at our president ;)

  • Alex

    This article caught my attention, bcuz I have not seen anyone do a piece on the you-tube sensation. I am a black women so the first time I watched the vid. I thought It was hilarious, but the reason I thought it was so hilarious was because I could relate. I new exactly what the girl in the vid was talking about because I have experienced those same types of things. I by no means use it to hold any real historical iniquity over anyone’s head. I thought it was funny….It’s called SATIRE making fun of someone else’s behavior using irony, and wit. My thoughts on those white women who where upset over this video calling it ” reverse racism, ” is that, that’s absolutely ridiculous the push back comes from the video become increasingly popular not because of WHO was in it but because of the content acquiring so much unity on an agreed subject. For so long I believed when white women said those things to me it was on purpose to purposely hurt my feelings and embarrassed me by making me feel different like and outsider, the older I became the more I believed it was done out of ignorance. Until I reached the age to know the difference. And there is a difference not all white girls say things like this to hurt or be little you as person and honestly even if they are this vid brings it to there attention to let them know we know…we know that you are seeking hostile attention when humors is all you get. And truthfully all such ignorant comments deserve. The conversation about the effects of slavery in this generation should be left for another more direct commentary not one of this comedic underline. This vid should be used and stored in a corner of the mind to revert back to if some dares utters these marked slurs your way again and the only thing that should bust threw ones lips is laughter…… on how ignorantly content one can be.

  • 2564jhg

    you natives are the ones who are almost extinct….

  • 2564jhg

    Greg your an asshole just like he is.

  • 2564jhg

    funny. whites ARE the minority worldwide.

  • 2564jhg

    hmmm shit black girls say to white girls…. “your hair smells like a dog”, “how can any one kiss you – you don’t have any lips” “how does it feel to be so flat?” “you ALL wish you looked Black” “your own men don’t even want you” “why do you all have flat behinds” “Haha! your name really is BECKY?! “yeah right, no one rapes white women you all say that.” ….. I’ll stop here. White girls, quit trying to be friends with Black girls. They only bring you around to have someone to laugh at.

  • 2564jhg

    same here. I just avoid them. you can’t win with them. why waste your time.

  • 2564jhg

    i wish that was true.

  • airin20

    “I have been told that I can’t be trusted because I’m white, that I’m somehow better off because I’m white, that I couldn’t understand racism or what its like to be a minority because I’m white.”

    Doe, because in a racial context, you can’t. You’re white. Racism against you literally doesn’t exist. Prejudice? Of course. Racism involves oppression, oppression needs power. Racial minorities have no power. You are not a racial minority.
    You have never experienced nor will you ever experience racism; ergo you can’t understand racism in full context.

  • airin20

    This is like saying men deserve rape because they rape more; please go stand in the corner and think it over; then you may join the rest of the class again.

  • MJ jones

    I love this YouTube personality and she’s so right on.

  • stacie

    The day that people no longer see color will be a great day, indeed. But that has to go both ways or its never going to happen. Its ridiculous. The older racist generation will all be gone soon. My kids dont see color, and now they are the ones who are confused by statements such as some of the above. You gotta let it die! They werent around during the race riots or the civil rights movement, so even though they’ve learned about it they cant realate to it anymore than we can the revelutionary war! So if our children are growing and moving past that, why cant we just let them? My boys have black friends and they have sleep overs and color is nothing to them. Ive done my part in raising my kids to be color blind, but then I hear statements like “your race will be dead soon” and it makes me wonder…..hmmmmm. That’s racist, and its derogatory and I really dont want my kids experiencing that kind of prejudice when they havent a prejudiced bone in their bodies. And furthermore, they would go to bat for their black friends if they ever heard that kind of language used to their friends, so lets all stop stereotyping.

  • Tiffany

    People that talk about ‘not seeing color’ are aspiring to a colorblind bubble that will never be. A white dress doesn’t look like a black dress, and pretending that people don’t fall on different areas of the color spectrum isn’t progressive, it’s passive-aggressive self-delusion. What I can’t wait for is the day that the differences in people can be appreciated for what they are, instead of branded for what they aren’t. I love my nappy hair, you don’t have to. And if I straighten my hair because I think straight hair is pretty today, that doesn’t mean I think ‘white hair is better’. It just means I picked a style, the same way I might pick a black dress over a white one tonight, even if I love them both.

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