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Why Don’t We Like Our Own Men?

Wednesday Feb 1, 2012 – by

Do we appreciate our own men? Do we even like them?

Let me give you an idea of what I mean.

I dated a Haitian guy once. I completely adored this man, and the feeling was mutual. He was, and still is (long after we pulled the plug) very good to me.

When I first met him, the fireworks and butterflies were doing their usual thing. I told one of my good friends, also Haitian, about him.

“Ok tell me everything,” she screeched excitedly when I told her I had met someone I was feeling.

“He is gorgeous. Like I-can’t-talk-when-he’s-around handsome,” I started. “And he is daaaaaarrrrk, like blue-black dark, and you know what that color does to me!”

“Ha! Yes I do! Tell me more?”

“Well he’s getting his Master’s now, his family lives in New York, he’s Haitian—“

“What?” she interrupted me, “He’s Haitian?”

“Yup, aren’t you excited? I’m talking to your people.”

“Nah girl, if he’s Haitian…RUN!”

I called her out for being so pessimistic considering she didn’t even know him.

“Well, neither do you,” she responded. “But between your two-week experience with him, and my lifelong experience with Haitians, I know them best. Like I said…RUN!”

Have you had a conversation like this? It may not be as dramatic, but you start dating someone from a friend’s country, city, school or neighborhood and they are quick to warn you about the perils of dating them.

“L.A. ninjas are a mess! Stick with these East Coast guys you like.”

“Oh, he’s Nigerian? You better hope he is NOT Yoruba.”

“Ha! He’s from Missouri? Girl, why do you think I left?”

“The black men at William & Mary are lame! Stick with those UVA boys.”

“You know you are too nice to handle my Jamaican brothers? They’ll steamroll all over you.”

You get the point.

And I am not any better. I recently moved to a new city where I met up with an old friend from undergrad for dinner. As we filled each other in on where life had taken us, she shyly mentioned that she has been seeing a new guy for the past two months.

Like any woman would, I got really excited for her and wanted all the details. She shyly told me his situation: he was handsome, smart, kind and had a big heart; all A+ qualities.

“And he’s Kenyan.”

It was like everything positive she said beforehand about him flew from my mind.

“Ok, what’s really wrong with him?” I said before even realizing what was coming out of my mouth.

She was somewhat shocked, and I was too. I jokingly laughed off this fumble, and had to consciously keep myself from making smart remarks as she continued talking about him.

I know Kenyan men. I know their good, their bad and their ugly. I know their habits and wants. And though each man is different, each neighborhood/community/country tends to have a national deportment of how they treat their women. And no one knows better than their women

No one knows a Brooklyn man like a Brooklyn woman.

No one knows a black man like a black woman.

And like my Haitian friend said, no one knows a Haitian man like a Haitian woman.

The other day on Twitter, I read a tweet on my timeline that made me really think about this. It was from a Somali woman that I follow and it went something like this:

“Somali men, I don’t care what anyone says about you, you are the best.”

I don’t think I had ever heard anyone, myself included, ever say that about their own men. You could say I run with a negative bunch of women, but I doubt it’s that. Just like we know the flaws of men from our communities, we also know the things that make them great. I know those particular things that no one can do as well as a Kenyan man.

Like they are the most humorous people I know. Kenyan men really know how to laugh at themselves. And they are overly protective of their women; even if I am out with a Kenyan man I don’t know, he will ensure I am well taken care of and likely get home safe. Those are but a few of many positives

So I wasn’t surprised when I next spoke to my friend and she told me about a sweet gesture that Mr. Kenya did for her recently.

“Yeah,” I answered. “Our men can be sweet like that…

…sometimes.”

Do you ever find yourself bad-mouthing your own men to your friends? What are the pros and cons of dating a man from your school, town, city or country?

145 Comments – Add Yours

  1. avatar Mr. Man says:

    The comments in this tread is very interesting. To each his or her own….

  2. avatar iQgraphics says:

    this article is young.

  3. avatar AJ says:

    I think the title of this article should have been “women” instead of men. The problem is too many BW have blind allegiance to men who have no allegiance to them. Period. Move on sisters, hold up your head as the great BW you are, and then find somebody who appreciates you.

    • avatar linda says:

      I agree and it is so true.Black women pretend or maybe they really do not see how black men act? am I imagining things? Most black dudes will step on a Black woman to get a white,a hispanic or an asian!GTFOOHW that b.s pretending that you Black chics do!!!Black Women are soOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.RAP MUSIC for the last couple of decades anyone?I dont know who i find more pathetic Black women or Black men

    • avatar Donronnie says:

      Let’s talk facts, most blogs on the internet are written by women. That’s because most of the readership on the internet is women. Most demographics of any of the sex and relationship blog sites will show that about 70% of its reader’s are women. Off line no one really cares what black women have to say. So they flee to blogs – their personal sound board for their thoughts without being interrupted by some black man. You might ask “Well if that’s the case then how come nobody is reading them?” Because no one cares. Women are more concerned with men than other women, and topics drive traffic.

      Black women sites have to keep their clients entertained And since they don’t want to discuss sex or “ten ways to identify a successful man” They have to practice Misandry a blanket hatred for men, havent you noticed that no matter what, it’s never a woman’s fault? Black women don’t come online to admit their own failings in choosing the wrong man. “Yeah, he is a thug…but all black men are thugs” or “Most black dudes will step on a Black woman to get a white,a hispanic or an asian” which is funny being that most black men are with black women. Again these women choose men that hurt them. But hey if coming online and venting is going to make you happy then do you.

  4. avatar E.M.S. says:

    There are good men and bad men in all ethnic communities. I think it’s wrong to immediately wave one of them off because of your own personal experiences, especially when a friend is so excited about a new guy.

    Give her a chance to get to know him rather than scaring her off, give him a chance to show who he really is before labeling him. Essentially, stay out of it.

    As for me, I absolutely adore my boyfriend. Although you hear so many things about how so many black men are dogs, he is completely opposite of those things. He’s smart, he’s charming, so polite to all my friends and family, treats me like a princess, and has said several times he’s in for the long haul.

    Would I have discovered what a beautiful person he was if I had immediately turned and run because of what somebody told me? No I wouldn’t.

  5. avatar SheThrives11 says:

    “Our men”? They don’t belong to us and we don’t belong to them. Date whoever you wish and if the man is of good character you won’t have to bad-mouth him.

  6. avatar Ms. Anonymous says:

    “The black men at William & Mary are lame! Stick with those UVA boys.”

    Too bad there aren’t black men at William & Mary!

  7. avatar Girl says:

    Lol Haitian women warn me about Haitian men all the time Not that I’d have anything to do with them especially from the shyt Ive observed. Everyone tells me to run from Igbo men..I learned why they were right on MY own.

    It is what it is. who else would be able to give you the scoop than those raised with them or at least close to that culture.

  8. avatar Naffy says:

    You know good and well ain’t but 5 black guys at William and Mary lol.

    • avatar ValM says:

      To Naffy and Ms. Anonymous, im cracking up at your William & Mary comments!! I live about one hour south of Williamsburg and my best friend from high school (black man) went to W &M. When I visited him there, i think we had all five of the black guys in his room at once … too funny!

  9. avatar Robbie says:

    I personally don’t bad-mouth my people. I love my FRENCH men. They are not perfect but I will take them over any other nationalities. I have met many AA, African, West Indian and caucasian American men, but my French men ( White or Black ) take the cake. I often tell my AA girlfriends to give them a try.

  10. avatar haffie says:

    I heard a lot of Haitians women saying that you should stay away from Haitian men but the man I have been in love with since junior High is Haitian/ American and I love him very much on top of things he is a very good man. He is dark skin and 6’1 body built like a soldier and I love my chocolate man. I am French, light skin, hazel eyes but I love his dark skin more than anything and i would not want to change a thing about him or our relationship. i see how Asians women are trowing themselves at him because he is a successful man but he knows and I know that i dont have to worry about those wanna be black girls. He knows he got it good. On the other hand I believe that the issue is with their family members, always minding your business.
    AF men have so many issues when it comes to their AF women, I feel sorry for you ladies. I just dont understand what black men especially those who are successful have issues with their sisters. Even though I am French I respect and will recommend any European men no matter their complexion because they are into the sisters. Ladies just be open minded and you will know and find love dont limit yourself and make sure the family is not into your business.

  11. avatar Amanda says:

    Really though…something is wrong with Haitian men! I speak from experience. When you see one…run!

    Also, as a Brooklyn woman I can recognize both the GOOD and the BAD about them. Just gotta keep searching until you find the right one.

  12. avatar Mr Jay says:

    Question: why don’t we like our own men? The answer: self-hatred and mental illness.

  13. avatar Tim says:

    The thing is, if you can find a black woman who does not get snappy when you say these words:

    - Good morning

    - Hi

    - Bye

    - You look nice Today (Not letting it go to there heads)

    If you could say any of the things above and get a decent response from a sister we would be fine. However, that is not the case, and those who do get the good greeting from a sister are the players or thugs. I never thought being a educated blackman would make me miss out on being with a woman of my own race. When being educated is a bad thing and being rude, nasty, and down right disrespectful to women is seen as being good in today’s black world. I really don’t have a chance. I don’t like white women, or have I ever dated one but they are the only ones who see an smart black dude as cool to even hang around.

    If only I would have just went with the flow and tried to date outside my race I would not have been, for the most part, suckered into the whole “bring home someone who looks like your mommy thing.” When the fact is the one who looks like mommy actually has no interest in you.

    Atleast until they see you with a white woman or think you are with one.

    The black value system is phucked!

    • avatar Coolin says:

      No Sir,

      Your way of thinking is what’s phucked!

      Maybe you would get half a smile or a return greeting if BLACK MEN (non-black men don’t do this ish) wouldn’t take a friendly smile or greeting as an opportunity to hit on said black women, try to get her phone number even though she is interested, or the situation didn’t turn into a ten minute argument with him yelling “Itch” because she rejected him. And yes dear…I have experienced this from the thugs and the so-called “educated” black men.

      I hate when black men sit and try to play the victim as if black women’s so-called “attitude” fell straight from the sky.

      Any hate, disrespect, indifference or unfriendliness black men face from black women is EARNED in spades!

      And here is a tip: Maybe you should STOP looking at a black woman’s face and arse and start looking at her mind and the environment from which she comes…chances are those women who DO respond to thugs are their counterparts. However you REFUSE to recognize this because you are too busy being blinded by the hood chick’s beauty.

      Educated my arse. What kind of educated man is checking for a chick who is only interested in thugs? A real dumbarse.

      P.S. There are in fact educated black women out here looking for an educated black man. However most of don’t want an educated a-hole. And 9 times out of 10 mot of the complaining educated black men fit into this category and simply are not likable. See how that works?

    • avatar Liz says:

      if you can find a black man who does not accompany the following words:

      - Good morning

      - Hi

      - Bye

      - You look nice Today (Not letting it go to there heads)

      with

      -Damn baby, look at that ass

      -What can you do with that thang

      -You gotta man, ma…let me holla at you for a second

      -Shit, you got some sexy lips

      or tries to grab your hand as your walking away..

      If you say any of the things above and expect to get a decent response from a sister…you have bigger problems than not finding a decent black woman. You’re delusional.

      And I know what’s to follow, “I don’t do none of that” “I’m an educated black men…guys who say that are some thugs” blah blah blah.

      Nope. Happens to me all the time, with men from different walks of life. You need to check your brethren, Tim, not us.

  14. avatar Ai says:

    If we don’t like our men we don’t like ourselves. Who do you think gave birth to those men?

  15. avatar Simone Denaiya says:

    I LOVE LOVE LOVE Black men.

  16. avatar Rhio2k says:

    Liz: I greet black women politely, without making any comments on their butt/body, and get a nasty look, but lewd thugs . It’s always something like this.

    Me: Good morning.

    Black woman: *ugh, what does HE want annoyed sneer*…hey. (apparently quickly tries to forget I exist)

    Random swaggering, unkempt black male stereotype: ‘Ey shawty, how yoo doin’? Yo frame looking tighta den a mug!
    BW: *shy/coy smile, would be blushing if she were white* I’m having a good day. How are you?

    Thug: Awright, awright. *spits on the ground* This a good day ‘n’ shit fa me too.

    BW: *Continues to smile at him, acting as if that was the most charming thing she ever saw*

    Black women seem to have something against men who are as articulate and polite as they are. I get the impression that they feel we’re (articulate, polite black men) something we should not be, like we’re all supposed to be coarse caricatures that behave more like rude teens than adults.

  17. avatar Gina says:

    Some of these comments are interesting, even the stereotypical ones. I have an actual experience where I met a seemingly decent and intelligent Haitian man in January. We spoke a few times on the phone and spent about half a day together just talking and having fun. That night he called me telling me how much he loved me and wanted to marry me and have babies with me. That’s odd, considering I had only met him a week earlier. I still continued to talk to him on the phone. No matter what we talk about, even if its religion, he invariably veers the conversation. Towards sex, wanting to kno if I wine and grind in bed, how long I can *uck for, would I do a threesome, things you ask a hooker if you want her to star in a porn movie. He claims that he wants to know all these things because he loves me. I tell him I am not interested in him and he still calls me. I ask him not to call me late at night because I am working and he still does, leaving sarcastic messages when I don’t pick up the phone. He says he was arrested for hitting a woman, yet he wants to be with me. He is an active member of the SDA church so I expect him to abide by certain morals. He calls me cherie and thinks that will melt my heart and I will be in his arms. IS THIS NORMAL for Haitiian men? Incidentally, a Haitian girl I work with told me to run the other way, but she really didn’t have to. I did it on my own. Note: this guy is not the typical one you would label as a “thug”.

    • avatar African Mami says:

      IS THIS NORMAL for Haitiian men?

      girlllll c’mon, you ain’t serious. What I want to ask you is,

      is THIS NORMAL for any man?
      He says he was arrested for hitting a woman

  18. avatar Gina says:

    Gina, that part is abnormal for any man regardless of where he is from. You dismiss people like that immediately. Its the incessant stupid sweet talk and the obsessive desire tro find out what I’m like in bed that I have never encountered with any other nationality. I’m from Brooklyn so I meet people from all walks of life. That was sooo creepy!

  19. avatar Alice says:

    I am from St. Lucia and was married to a very charming and sexy Haitian. We both have post-graduate degrees, good jobs and as far as I was concerned the marriage was going great, the sex was out of this world and we were great together outside the bedroom . We have two beautiful boys and he is a good father to them. BUT, after four years of marriage I found out that he had two children both one year old by two different women, both Haitian. This caused the marriage to unravel and in the process I also discovered a third child, conceived about a month before we got married. When confronted, he says that’s normal in Haiti and I should be lucky he married me. Even his mother was not perturbed by his multiple breeding and begged me to stay with him. I should have known better. His father has thirteen children and only eight are with his wife.

    All that education did not stamp out this very primitive promiscuous behaviour in him. I am not bragging, but I can’t see anything I did on the home front which would have driven him away. It is just how he and so many of his country folks are socialized. So many of their women don’t even expect monogamy from their men.

    I am now happily married to a lovely St. Lucian and have a very happy home. I don’t wish to lump all Haitian together, but I do believe they are an odd lot.

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