In the wake of Trayvon Martin’s horrific murder, there has been a palpable outrage similar to the electric emotions that were generated by the state-sanctioned slaying of Troy Davis.

Though the two cases are polar opposites in certain aspects, one commonality weaves through both narratives that illuminate the underlying racist structure of this country. By the very virtue of their differences and the vast disparities in the situations, what becomes resoundingly clear is that it doesn’t matter if they’re criminals; it doesn’t matter if they’re young or old, carrying a gun or carrying a pack of Skittles.

Our boys and men are guilty on sight because they are Black.

Unfortunately, as the Sanford Police Department, spearheaded by Chief Bill Lee, continues to make excuses for murderer George Zimmerman, the chorus has taken an ugly turn that needs to be addressed.

Why are self-righteous Black folks using this opportunity to shift the blame to the issues plaguing the African-American community?

For every post of support for Trayvon, there are two that read:

“Well, I’m tired of us killing each other!”

“I don’t know why y’all worried about what the white man is doing, you need to be worrying about what’s going on every day in the hood!”

And I completely agree, but the problem with that train of thought is simple: Shifting blame to crimes that have been committed brother against brother, sister against sister, in a time when we need to come together to foster a sense of solidarity is counter-productive and broadcasts the disconnect that fractures our community to the world. It screams that we don’t care about racism; we don’t care about gun toting white bastards with superiority complexes menacing young Black boys and girls. Shifting the blame away from the racism and focusing the microscope squarely on the evil that is perpetuated in our own communities does nothing but allow racist, violent criminals like George Zimmerman to get away with murder – literally – and allows the Sanford Police Department to be accessory to murder after the fact with no discernible consequences.

Yes, we need to stop killing our own; we needed to stop killing our own long before Trayvon’s death and will need to stop killing our own long after. Where was the outcry, the mobilization efforts to curtail violence in urban slums across the United States the day before Trayvon was murdered?

I’ll wait.

I’m the first to say that we need to hold ourselves responsible for the state of Black America. By default, we are often our own worst enemy. That does not mitigate the fact that the root of the state of Black America is not of our own making.  Pay close attention. I didn’t say the branches of poverty, the un-nurtured flowers of children living in broken homes, nor the weeds of crime.

I said the root.

Racism, classism, bigotry, psychological and physical slavery, still holds power over our communities.  Should that fact be minimized because we have picked up the mantle and turned against ourselves? Does one evil outweigh the other?  Should we ignore the fact that we can do everything “right” by society’s rules and still be moving targets?

We can stress education, we can move to a predominantly white gated community, but our children can still be lynched while walking to the convenience store. That is the tragedy of Travyon Martin.

More importantly, isn’t there a time for a level of basic respect? Do you think Trayvon’s family is walking around saying, “Yeah, a White man killed our son, but Black men kill each other every day, so what?”

(Sidenote: I couldn’t care less that his mother is Hispanic, he was White until he gunned down a Black child in cold-blood. Now the mainstream media wants to shift this scum-bag to the Hispanic community, which in all actuality doesn’t prevent Zimmerman from being white; people can be both white and Hispanic. As most know, Hispanic is not a race, but nice try media, now tell it to someone stupid.)

  • QCastle

    Most of the article was quite rubbish. Had you started talking about psychological slavery earlier on I wouldnt have even gotten that far in your article. But this here:

    “I don’t know why y’all worried about what the white man is doing, you need to be worrying about what’s going on every day in the hood!”

    …is what I have a problem with. The fact of the matter is crap happens in the hood. The difference is that in most cases the perpetrators are pursued and tried. In this case the murderer of Trayvon Martin is at home watching ESPN while scratching his balls. Does anyone not see a difference? We cant prevent crime that happens in most cases but we cant utilize civil society to apprehend the criminals. NO! This is not time to talk about crazy stuff that happens in the hood. Trayvons murder is an issue of justice not probabilities. I can live in a society where there is a possibility of being victimized, I cant however, live in a society that allows my victimization to be ignored at best and at worst protected. Trayvon’s murderer is being ignored and protected.

  • LN

    I agree with most of your comment 100% and I think the author does as well. I think you misunderstood the message the writer was trying to get across.The writer clearly explains, …”Now is not the time to point fingers back at the Black community, but to harness our power and solidarity.” This is to say that many people are trying to detract us from what truly happened to this young boy by saying things like,“I don’t know why y’all worried about what the white man is doing, you need to be worrying about what’s going on every day in the hood!” This is not a personal view shared by the writer. The writer is in fact telling us to stay on-course and seek justice for this little boy, and I agree. Well, that’s the message I received from Kirsten’s piece.

  • LN

    I meant this as a response to QCastle.

  • Priceless34

    We need to be concerned with both. Its unfair to prioritize one without prioritizing the other. For one white on black murder you have 10 black on black murders that occur everyday. I think it’s ignorant and does our communities a disservice when we ignore these daily killings.

  • Tonton Michel

    Nice article, and I agree with all the points. I would like to add on that yes, the media tried to manipulate race by calling Zimmerman Hispanic as if he can not be that and white, but I cant help but notice there is an underlying notion at play here when they pull stunts like this that because you are Hispanic it is implied you can not be bigoted or racist. So what if he was a Hispanic by definition, what if Zimmerman was a Boricua, Mexican, or Dominican? Would his profiling be any less race based?

  • Nicole83

    +1
    Completely the point I was hoping someone would make. I had the displeasure of listening to a talk show on AM radio yesterday evening (target: white audience) and a listener called in and asked how could this be a race issue when Zimmerman is Hispanic. I was floored. Are people that oblivious? Of course minorities employ racism. You don’t need power to do it, just need ignorance and Zimmerman is brimming full of it.

  • befree

    Sigh.. I agree with the article and it’s unfortunate people will twist it. The are some hard facts that we must deal with. First we have to let go of the myth of Black on Black crime. Most murder/ crime is intraracial and race is not the motivation for the crime. Intraracial crime is rooted in personal conflict and proximity…not race. Both root issues CAN be dealt with by the community. We have violence interpreters,mediators and conflict resolution programs because of these personal conflicts sometimes lead to violence.
    There are people in the streets trying to diffuse these conflicts everyday. There was nothing that could have been done to diffuse Trayvon’s murder. His existence was the “problem” for that monster. His brown skin was the problem for Zimmerman. There was no personal conflict issue that we could mediate.
    I have diffused several personal conflicts in my life to prevent violence among black folks… I have yet had the chance to stop of racist asshole for killing a black person.

    I hope people realize there is a vast difference in how the issue of violence in our community is one that can be reduced with our efforts and how racially motivated violence is something that WE don’t have control over and is outside OUR scope of influence. This is why Trayvon’s murder impacts us in a different way.

  • jamesfrmphilly

    we must stop killing one another

  • befree

    +2

  • Bunni

    ‘Nuff said – AMEN!!

  • CurlySue

    Yes, I’m amazed as well at how many people think that minorities can’t be prejudiced against each other. Like, really? Lolz. Anyway, I do think the fact that Zimmerman is Latino brings to light another facet of racism that isn’t always addressed as much as institutional racism is. And that’s the antagonism and discord between blacks and Latinos. Yes, we can say that you can be white and Latino, true. But your experiences are still going to be different from a white American not brought up in Latino culture. I’m from Orlando and I went to Sanford for high school. Seeing as how there are so many Latinos and blacks vying for the same resourses in this state, I wasn’t entirely surprised to find out that Zimmerman was a Latino.

  • Sepiastar

    Exactly. You statement: “Most murder/ crime is intraracial and race is not the motivation for the crime” summarize my sentiments in a nutshell. Most crimes are intraracial but a murder committed by a white against another one is NEVER classified as “white on white crime”. It’s amazing that we can’t understand the scope of the issue and how ignorant it is to imply that we can justify our disengagement by foolishly attempting to substantiate the issue by incorporating crimes committed by blacks against other blacks. Irrelevant in this situation!

  • Shan

    +3 I really appreciate this piece

  • Dalili

    Thank you, thank you, thank you for this article Kirsten! Thank you!

  • Dalili

    +4

  • Shay

    Black on black crime will never be discussed, nor will it be eradicated, because it’s so easy to blame white people for every d@mn thing under the sun.

    We shoulda’ BEEN HAD THIS CONVERSATION!

    And NOW people are mad?

    And see how Russel Simmons made serious money off the ‘hood culture’ that got this young man killed.

    No wonder this young man’s killer is still out on the streets..

  • The Taker

    This is my first comment since this story/case was first posted. I never really said anything before because…well this is just disgustingly tragic. I can barely stand to the listen to the 911 call tapes without feeling saddened and enraged. Martin wasn’t even given a real chance at life. I mean really, when you hit your late teens, I believe that’s when you start to discover and learn more about the world, the real world. The beauty and ugly of it. But Trayvon will never get to witness that at all, because of this psychopath’s ill conceived, prejudiced misconceptions. And I hope to GOD! this life-stealing, RACIST, child murderer (I wont even type out his name because he deserves to be addressed for what he truly is) is brought to justice. And also hope that every innocent black person whose life was snuffed away so viciously by somebody who shares the same skin is also brought to justice. I wholeheartedly agree with this article. Those demons don’t deserve to ever have not a single shred or ounce of joy or happiness in their pitiful lives. I heard the FBI is actually going to begin investigating Trayvon Martin’s case since the despicable Sanford Police Dept. aint going to do sh*t. That man, that killer disgusts me and I DESPISE his little mugshot picture, trying to look all innocent and like he was the victim. I know he’s gonna get his. I feel it, I know it.

  • edub

    “First we have to let go of the myth of Black on Black crime. ”

    Hold up. What myth? Are the majority of black people not killed by black people? Is that what you are saying?

  • Socially Maladjusted

    @Kirsten West Savali

    I avoided this one after fighting several wars of annihilation on other sites over this topic.

    However I saw a post on the recent comments board and I couldn’t resist takin a peek.

    Little did I know that I’d come and find myself being channeled through you.

    So let me do this now before the butterflies pass – how would you like to be

    Mrs Socially Maladjusted?

  • TheBestAnonEver, Part 2

    I just want people to stop making this a collective issue or about their various causes. Trayvon Martin was murdered and this child deserves justice. Everything else is besides the point as far as I am concerned. Unless Trayvon was involved in black-on-black or black-on-anyone else crime or any crime at all, which we all know emphatically he was NOT, I don’t want to hear about it. All of that has nothing to do with the death of this one human being, this one child: Trayvon Martin. It has been very enlightening to see how even black people and non-black allies struggle to see black people as individuals. This is an individual tragedy, let us treat it as such.

  • bizchick86

    Thank you Kirsten! Thank you!!!

  • FaSho

    @ edub I think what the person is trying to say is that even though black people kill one another they are not killing each other based on race. We kill each other over possessions like money, turf, and resources.

    Most of the time when White people kill black people it is a race motivated.

  • omfg

    @fasho…

    that’s interesting because in many ways i think black on black crime exists because of underlining self-hate that leads blacks harm one another.

    if you think you are valuable, you don’t behave in a way the leads you to call others like you *igga or hurt them.

    black be people devalue themselves over and over in a myriad of ways – whether it’s using n word, eating poorly, having limited ideas of blackness, not going to school, selling drugs, calling black women bitches, not taking care of our children, committing murder on one another…

    i believe we can be self-destructive because we hate ourselves and blackness.

  • Alexandra

    The young boy and his family deserves justice. He was wrongfully suspected and killed, while his murderer is free. People who are currently trying to bring up Black crime stats to lessen the severity of Zimmerman’s crime, as well as his ‘race’ are trying to derail the racial aspect of this story; I agree.

    The facts are already there & I stick to them. However, it’s hard (for me at least) to not notice the difference in reaction, this is what bothers me sometimes. Everyone should express the same amount of anger towards all crimes against Blacks, no matter the killers color. I don’t know about others and I won’t get personal, but that bothers me. That’s all.
    A march will be held for Trayvon in my city in an hour and I will be attending.

  • golden_girl

    the Oscar Grant case is a perfect example of this. Oscar Grant protestors tore the City of Oakland up. Rioting..just making a mess of things. Hours later 5 people were shot and killed in Oakland w/no fanfare b/c the crimes where brother against another angry brother. Oscar Grants cousin was shot and killed. His best friend was shot and killed—no riots. Soooo. You only value black life when a white man kills a black kid???? That is jacked up. This is classic victimhood mentatlity at its peak.

  • jamesfrmphilly

    cosign!

  • RC

    while I’m honestly heart broken about the whole situation. i’m going to have to side with the “pro-black” people on this one. what the hell were all of you doing,especially you Kirsten West Savali, to stop the black on black crime that happens every day before this tragic event ?
    …… that’s right….. NOT A DAMN THANG !!!
    FOOHWTBS…..
    another thing, when are nigga’s gonna stop peacefully protesting…. yall ain’t figured out yet that ish don’t get you no-where ???

  • omfg

    i agree.

    no self-lovin people do this and then don’t really care all that much.

    but, i get peeved because we are more upset over things like this than the h.s. dropout rate, etc.

    why aren’t people demanding that their children do well in school? why don’t we get as upset over the things that impact our lives to a greater degree on a daily basis?

    not saying this boy’s life was meaningless, but the priorities are a bit out of whack.

  • omfg

    “another thing, when are nigga’s gonna stop peacefully protesting…. yall ain’t figured out yet that ish don’t get you no-where ???”

    when are *iggas gonna stop calling each other *iggas? this goes along with self-respect and self-love…

  • TheBestAnonEver, Part 2

    Kristen, you gave it a good try but it is a tic for some people.

  • edub

    I’ve been so afraid to say this. I agree with you all 100%. I don’t know how we can’t use his murder to discuss black-on-black crime. It is THE elephant in the room.

  • grateful

    @RC

    “another thing, when are nigga’s gonna stop peacefully protesting…. yall ain’t figured out yet that ish don’t get you no-where ???”

    so that we can give them a good reason to shoot us ?

    why do you make yourself such an easy target?

    dumb as hell.

    @omfg

    agree with everything you posted.

  • mdottwo

    This incident a model for the conflict between hispanics and African Americans? Many, many hispanics want to identify as white, and bring with them a caste mindset from the hispanic nations from which they hail. Many of them consider themselves superior to African Americans. And even worse, many of them have openly stated that they intend to displace black Americans as our nation’s “preferred minority.”

    Black, paid Judas goat politicians like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have been given the assignment to merge blacks and hispanics into a single ideological voting block. Dear black people wake up, hispanics are not your natural ally;do not go for it. They have everything to win(hispanic foreigners’ employment rate is higher than ours), and we have everything to lose. The Democrat paid church-less reverends will show up in Florida to make sure that no public rift between hispanics and black Americans is openly voiced during this whole debacle, because the Dem Party’s goals supersede the sensibilities of black Americans. For centuries we have had home grown slaughterers of black men, now we are importing hispanic peasants with a black blood-thirst. A California court ruled that Mexican gangs were systematically murdering black people to ethnically cleanse neighborhoods. In Chicago warnings have been issued about hispanic gang initiations that involve abducting and raping black women.

    African Americans, this is the moment to let hispanics and all politicians know that we owe them nothing, and refuse to be further manipulated by them. We should most emphatically inform everyone, be they black, white, hispanic or other that we will no longer put up with their murderous antics towards black people(Google the history of hispanic on black murders), and that we will hound Zimmerman until he is behind bars.

  • All Black Men

    I am gonna go there with it. But quite honestly I am a bit exhausted with mourning parents of victimized black children. My deepest and sincerest condolences truly go out to Treyvon Martin’s parents but as a father of a black child, had someone taken my child’s life under this circumstance, the only emotion I would be able to show anyone not from the community or related to me would be absolute disdain and supreme vengeance for the perpetrator. Not until other people understand that the consequence for these types of transgressions against the black community will be met with immediate commensurate consequences will people give second thought to committing these types of actions.

    Too many black folks are passive and scared to pay for their freedom and security with their lives. Once people understand that we (black men) will not hesitate to pay for our freedom and our wive’s and children’s security with our lives then this type of thing will continue to happen. I am a reasonable, professional, well-educated, and conscious black man who will have compunction about removing someone from this earth who harms my wife or lays hands on her. To hell with this nonsense brand of “justice” which has to be purchased at a rate of $200 – $1000+ atty’s fees, etc… True justice is not a commodity. Any system that treats it as such is not a just system.

    It just unnerves the hell out of me looking at that fat, “wanna-be-cop”, COWARD having murdered an innocent child and and being allowed to walk free without so much as a charge even being dispensed.

    How many black children will have to die under these types of circumstances before we truly get fed up and take a position of “zero tolerance”?

  • NNaattaayy

    Absolutely. I think there was a study about how blacks have a higher opinion of hispanics than hispanics actually do of them.

  • Socially Maladjusted

    Yep

    I’ll ride side by side all the way to jail or the grave with any black man and black woman who practices eye for eye justice on crackers who f uck with our children.

  • QoNewC

    @TonTon

    I dont know why people are going back and forth about whether this guy is white or Hispanic as if the two are mutually exclusive. He may not be white, he may be mestizo but he is hispanic as is Zoe Saldana, Jennifer Lopez, Desi Arnez (the late husband of Lucille Ball from I Love Lucy). Lets not talk about the ultra right ring and super racist white hispanics that flooded Miami after Castro took power in Cuba. They would probably give your typical Anglo Saxon white person in the US a run for their money for their level of hatred of blacks. Look how they treat black Cubans. How they treat Haitians.

    Im done. Fry this guy!

  • QoNewC

    @edub

    You ignorant cow. Im not going to forget how you referred to Trayvon Martin as a “run of the mill thug” and asked why should any care about his death more than the death of that young black women whose killer is still at large. Let me explain things to you, you useless malcontent, the person(s) who killed that young black woman are actively being pursued and not protected by an indifferent police force. Her killer(s) will not be patted on the hed and sent home to sleep in their own beds, unlike the killer of Trayvon Martin.

    I have a sneaking suspicion that that young black woman was probably killed by some ACTUALLY run of the mil thug she was plenty warned about by friends and family. Another case of a black woman thirst for thug loving biting her in the bum.

  • QoNewC

    @golden girl

    Youre not smart, clever, counter culture, or controversial with your comments. Just your typical false equivalnce attempting to take attention away from this monster who killed a child and is at home chillin to focus on black men because… maybe you got dumped for a white girl.

    The facts are this murder would have gone on without any fanfare if Zimmermen was actually arrested, tried by a jury of his peers and found either innocent or not guilty based on legally acquired evidence.

    Now how many people in the above circumstances you so callously recalled were not pursed at all, not arrested, or were given light sentences?

    As I said above, the level of crime in the hood is obscene. Crime- period-is obscene. What is MORE obscene than crime itself is that people are allowed to get away with it. As I said above, we cant realistically live in a crime free society but we can and should live in one where justice pursued.

    Just is not being pursued. Thats the gotdam point!

  • edub

    mooooooooo!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Meena-Tu/29001610 Meena Tu

    If there were half as much outrage and social action around these issues (in a proactive rather than reactive manner) for the THOUSANDS of young Black men whose lives are taken by the hand of another young Black man we could change perspectives and transform communities. To only see people come out of the shadows when the perpetrator is white is counterproductive and reactionary.

    I live in a city (Oakland) which averages a murder a day, 90% of those Black. And what is the reaction: a spray painted “in memory of” t-shirt, a mural and/or a make-shift memorial. We have generations of men lost to murder, legal intervention, etc. ALL of which are preventable. But the prevention efforts are few and far between.

    Not saying that Trayvon doesn’t deserve attention, he and his family definitely deserve justice and are right to demand it. What I am also saying is that homicide is one of the top 10 causes of death for Black males and the majority of those murders happen intra-racially. However, I have YET to see any of these murders illicit the same response as Trayvon Martin, Oscar Grant, Troy Davis, etc. The death of one garners so much attention because the perpetrator is white whereas the death of thousands goes unnoticed.

    Something is strangely wrong when people become desensitized to the violence outside their own front doors.

  • CurlySue

    I think it’s impossible for some people not to think of black on black crime when reading about this story. With all the media attention, the fury, the anger, it’s natural that it would strike some people as hypocritical considering how much cynicism is displayed by all races when one black person kills another. You can’t help but compare the two scenarios. I’m so glad that Trayvon’s murderer will likely go down for this because of all the anger and attention given, but I’m sure there are some out there who, while also happy for the Martin family, mourn for all those other families who had loved ones die and no one cared because it was just another black on black murder.

  • All Black Men

    Keenan Tu, buy a clue!!!

  • Travis
  • http://@tricycakes Tricycakes

    Well, these are two distinctly different issues that unfortunately run parallel to each other.
    The point is, this kid was murdered and it appears that the killer will not face justice. If it’s just an injustice issue, then leave it at that.
    The bottom line is young black men are being killed. The “by who” is incidental. I don’t think it’s somehow counterproductive to say “Stop killing each other and don’t allow others to do it either”.
    AND btw- who gives a **** if Zimmerman is white, brown, or yellow? It still doesn’t negate the fact that what he did was wrong and he should be punished.

  • ScaredBlackMan

    and you are absolutely WRONG!!! what’s different in this case is that had a BLACK CHILD gunned down another BLACK CHILD…those same police officers would have taken the SHOOTER TO JAIL

    I am sure you are not so stupid that you do not understand the difference. Black on Black crime is ILLEGAL. you fight crime with criminal punishment, punish the criminal. Thats what this is all about. Being idealistic doesnt make you smart, it just makes you sound stupid because you have not thought it out.

  • So Over This Ish

    Preach! I agree with you as well, Qcastle.

  • So Over This Ish

    + 100…cosign all the way!

  • So Over This Ish

    QoNewC…I agree with you, too. Are you from Miami, by chance? Your words are spot on.

    I have lived in Miami all of my life. What you said is definitely true.

  • So Over This Ish

    CurlySue…girl, I live in FL and I could tell you some stories about how some of these Hispanics treat Black folks. Not just African Americans either but Jamaicans, Haitians, and some Afro-Latinos are treated this way.

    What was it like when you lived in Orlando? Did you experience racism? I know, that might be a stupid question, but I’m always curious to hear from other people who live in Florida.

  • So Over This Ish

    I have to credit you with being more optimistic about this than me. Something tells me that he will walk away with a slap on the wrist.

    I don’t know where you’re from, but here in Florida, we have this ridiculous “stand your ground” law. In addition to that, Zimmerman definitely has an advantage due to his Hispanic background.

    Florida is pretty much run by Hispanics now, especially those of the lighter persuasion…the life of a Black person means nothing in this country. I really hope justice will be served.

    This boy was murdered in cold blood.

  • Alexandra

    @ QoNewC

    I actually agreed until your last comment. Did you just say that the young Black girl deserved her death? Color me surprised (not). I expected that; way to discredit your posts.

  • So Over This Ish

    Hmm…for some odd reason, my comment wasn’t published so I’ll try again.

    I agree with you because I live in FL. I know what you’re talking about. I agree with ALL of what you said here.

    I believe that sometimes we make the mistake of seeing some Hispanics as our brothers and sisters, but this isn’t always true. Some of them hate Black people.

  • http://www.focusedandfly.com KP

    Just read the whole piece and realized that you are looking at a violence problem from a PURELY racial perspective. While admirible, its very short-sighted. You want us to believe that somehow we won’t care about racism anymore IF we allow the Trayvon Martin case to spark concern about OWN communities.

    I’ll put it like this: Election day was this past Tuesday. When Obama was running, it was GET OUT THE VOTE everywhere. You couldn’t go, do or say anything without hearing to go vote. How many celebrities, rappers, actors or ball players told you to vote in the last election (primary)??? None!!! It wasn’t “important” enough. It was important enough when Obama was running, but wasn’t important this week? I contend that EVERY election is important enough. I will use the Trayvon Martin case in the same way. We (as a people) haven’t deemed Black on Black crime to be important enough YET. Why not use something else to stimulate us??? I’m almost certain that if we use this as a starting point for a movement to work on Black on Black crime issues, not one of us will think that racism went away! We won’t get lazy and complacent enough to think that life is all of a sudden great and all the racists disappeared. What’s wrong with taking the MOVEMENT itself and using its force to direct it to something closer to home now that people do understand the importance? Violence is the issue. There have been 100 murders and over 350 shootings in Chicago since January 1st. If there were dogs out here killing one person a day and biting four people a day, I would take the same outrage that they are using based of this case and direct it on dogs! We can’t put on blinders and march down the racism path without seeing how these events affect society as a whole. When did we decide that there was a reason not good enough to discuss Black on Black crime. Every event is a good enough event and every reason is a good enough reason!

    A MLK quote “It is incontestable and deplorable that Negroes have committed crimes; but they are derivative crimes. They are born of the greater crimes of the white society.” We do what they do. If WE weren’t killing ourselves, then THEY wouldn’t think it was ok to kill us!!! This isn’t slavery anymore. We have been given the freedom to do as we see fit and TOO MANY of us are choosing to live a slaves life. Slaves to drugs, slaves to alochol, slaves to the “hood life”, slaves to big cars and chains and homes, etc. Why not a movement to solve multiple problems? MLK started with racism, but used that as a vehicle to solve other societal issues. I would like Ms. Kirsten West Savali to come sit on my block for a while and then tell me not to use any vehicle I can to solve the violence problems in our communities. After dodging a few bullets, she’ll understand that this is as good a platform as any to discuss violence in our communities!

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  • ek adams

    why is it that when it is a crime commited against us..the 1st thing we say or i hear from some blind minded brother or sister is”look what we are doing to each other” as if we are the only race of people that kills its own….hhmm, imagine that especically since we just came into existence…that thought sounds as ridiculous as look at what we are doing to each…the bottom line is a crime has been commited and someone need to stand charge for that..excuses shouldn’t be used in defense to wrong doing…i think we were as kids taught the difference between right / wrong…not its ok to kill a black human because they do it to themselves….

  • Roberta

    +100. Well said.

  • consistency

    You laid it out in excellent fashion. It’s almost like some of these “down brothas and sistas” are brainwashed to believe that blacks killing other blacks should be expected. This Zimmerman slime will be brought to justice, but I sometimes wonder if some of the outrage on a subconscious level is derived not out of a yearning for justice, but from the reality that the cracka who some of you try so hard to gain love and acceptance from, really does not view you as an equal, nor does he value your life in any way.

  • Socially Maladjusted

    Meena Tu wrote:

    “If there were half as much outrage and social action around these issues (in a proactive rather than reactive manner) for the THOUSANDS of young Black men whose lives are taken by the hand of another young Black man we could change perspectives and transform communities. To only see people come out of the shadows when the perpetrator is white is counterproductive and reactionary.”

    “I live in a city (Oakland) which averages a murder a day, 90% of those Black. And what is the reaction: a spray painted “in memory of” t-shirt, a mural and/or a make-shift memorial. We have generations of men lost to murder, legal intervention, etc. ALL of which are preventable. But the prevention efforts are few and far between.”

    Look i’m not american, so i don’t know know the depth and scale of black on black murder in the BC, stateside. Our own experience with it is much smaller scale but very worrying to most black adults here in the UK – so I find hard it argue with your comment above.

    Although I still believe that racist murder and black on black murder are separate issues and should not be conflated – you do make a compelling point, that if we had a strong response after the taking of a black life by ANYONE, black, white or other – we’d probably save more black lives from black on black violence and racist murder.

    I think I get it.

    But only because of YOU because I sense that your heart is in the right place.

  • Powdered Donuts

    If a white man (in this case latino) man kills a black person it’s a “hate crime”, if thousands of black men kill other black men, it’s just “another day in the hood”.

    Seems like we have our priorities mixed up doesn’t it? Especially when the head man in charge is black, and the top law enforcement official is black as well.

    Let’s just say I know more black people murdered by other black people than I do that were killed by white men. Unfortunately, my own brother being one of them. However, your usual suspects only come out of the woodwork whenever there is an opportunity paint this country and it’s law enforcement as inherently racist.

  • Powdered Donuts

    Nail hit squarely on head!

  • http://www.focusedandfly.com KP

    I read your response and I can only say that I have two major issues with it:
    1. To call any movement toward positive “counterproductive” is a misnomer. While I can agree that it is reactionary, what true “movements” are not? The Civil Rights movement was born out of social injustices, however, one single defining event (Rosa Parks refusing to give up her bus seat) was the spark. To believe that there were not bigger issues prior to that which should have been addressed or that could have been important enough to start the movement, something as small as a woman refusing to give up her bus seat (something that probably had been done before) was big enough to unite a whole race of people. It was reactive AND productive. Would we like to see proactive movement? Of course, but once again I ask, what reasons AREN’T good enough move forward?

    2. I can respect the fact that you believe that racist murder and black on black murder are separate issues. I personally believe that murder is murder. I have just as much issue with the death penalty as I do with people killing each other in the streets. The only “justified” killing of a person is in self-defense or the defense of another. In this case, the issue is that Zimmerman is claiming self-defense and apparently it is VERY difficult for the district attorney to prove without a reasonable doubt that things didn’t happen the way that he said they did. I personally would much rather they take as much time as possible to get it right, than rush to prosecute him and do a less than stellar job at it. But, my son wasn’t killed by a racist…

    Also… While I’m not an Al Sharpton fan, I do appreciate that he told the residents of Sanford and all the protesters that we should do this “the right way” and allow justice to be done legally. THAT is the key! I do appreciate that you understand the sentiment of my post and not just my point of view.

  • http://blackonpurpose.blogspot.com/ gryph

    first of all, trayvon martin murder’s already been politicized. million hoody march? the emmett till juxtapositions? the cropped muhammad ali pics? the pregnant woman writing: `am i next on her belly’. calling zimmerman ‘white’ when he is pretty clearly a ‘mixed raced’ person. a latino. okay. people have already taken it there.

    further, i’m sick of these `sometimes black nationalists’ who seek solidarity with black people only when there is some misery or tragedy to be had. they’re like `the family’ you see only at a funeral. gtfoh. being victims of racism and black tragedies are just their way of renewing their black card, and freeing up some space on it to charge `white guilt’ down the line. it contributes to the problem: it’s a ritual that make blackness real ONLY as a burden or a danger.

    and, the reason they care about trayvon is because by all accounts he’d `transcended blackness’: he got good grades, lived in a good, GATED community, knew his dad, but he still died because of his race. trayvon’s death is an integrationist nightmare: that they can not escape `blackness’. these people aren’t mourning trayvon, but the imposition of blackness – even when they aren’t stereo typically black. if you think i’m making it up:

    http://blacksnob.com/snob_blog/2012/3/20/no-apologizes-on-the-killing-of-trayvon-martin-and-being-goo.html

    they get scared and beat the `nationalistic’ – or nihilistic – drum to scare white people into being nice or whatever.

    now we aren’t allowed to talk about black on black crime? black people who murder black people are often operating under the same `racist’ ideology that ‘whites’ like zimmerman do. they TOO figure that black people are dangerous, going no where in life and that there won’t be the same repercussion for killing a black person. fanon calls it `horizontal violence’. i call it `uncle tomming’: they’ve not internalised but chosen to accept value systems that get them to see blackness and worthless – or a curse. the reaction that most people are having to the martin murder re-inscribes that basic assumption.

    they aren’t quite as guilty as zimmerman, but not as different from him as they’d like to think. i suppose that’s what some of this outrage staging is about.

  • golden_girl

    @Q…whatever

    I understand ur emotions are getting the very best of you. And as a mother of a black toddler, I prepare myself for the battles I will fight for my son to be the very best person he can be; giving his a strong education, growing up in a strong TWO parent family and teaching him his global roots from infinity to beyond. That said, I am keenly aware that even with all of that time and preparation—this unfortunate incident can and will happen to anyone.

    However….the bigger picture is and one that can not be denied is blacks are ONLY enraged when a NON-BLACK assailant kills a black victim. This trend is witnessed over and over and over again. It is tired and predictable. I know the police are held to a higher responsiblity than a civilian. I’m completely aware of the justified mistrust minorities have for the police. But everyday….in ANYHOOD USA….a black man will die at the hands of antoher black man. There is no protest. No outrage. No Rev. Doolittle or Senator Spot-light to sound the alarm.

    There are thousands of black men out free—walking the streets—committing very violents acts against blacks because they know:
    1. The Stop Snitching code of the street will prohibit police from: arresting, convicting and jailing the criminal.
    2. Because WE AS BLACK PEOPLE don’t value BLACK LIFE….. Someone will be shot tonight…could be you…could be me—god forbid but I bet if the crime is committed by a black person—-who they cops, community and local thug knew who pulled the trigger— there will be no protest and the trigger man will be released cause the jails are full and what is the value of a black womans life anyway.

    Up ur game. You don’t know who is on the end of the keyboard. Name calling is a very big sign of yourth, ignorance or both. I do hope you channel your anger n2 some positive change. Good luck.

  • Simone L

    Amen. Although the majority of the outrage is the mishandling of this case, we can’t sit back and accept black on black crime, as it’s some norm. Many whites are using this opportunity to turn to their encyclopedia of “black on white”crime.

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  • Jeff martin

    Black people need to stop killing each other, stop blaming the white man for black-on-black self-destruction and come together and support each other like other groups. When that happens Black people in the USA can be unstoppable. Why? Because blacks are a strong and dynamic people with a shared history that no other group in the USA can match.

  • Socially Maladjusted

    @Gryph

    as always Gryph, you dare to say what must be said. and add the kind of clarity and depth to the analysis that many would rather overlook in these matters. .

    It did occur to me that some of the outrage over this particular attrocity came from fact that Trayvon was a posh black kid, a “worthy” victim, who didn’t fit the stereotypical “bad” black kid profile. But I think the death of any black child in such horrific and blatantly racist circumstances, would have caused a storm of outrage in the BC. At least I hope so.

    “now we aren’t allowed to talk about black on black crime?”

    “black people who murder black people are often operating under the same `racist’ ideology that ‘whites’ like zimmerman do. they TOO figure that black people are dangerous, going no where in life and that there won’t be the same repercussion for killing a black person. fanon calls it `horizontal violence’. i call it `uncle tomming’: they’ve not internalised but chosen to accept value systems that get them to see blackness and worthless – or a curse. the reaction that most people are having to the martin murder re-inscribes that basic assumption.”

    I see that Gryph, I really do – but I think it’s a little harsh given the stifling life circumstances that too many of us are confined in – being at the bottom and the competitive/hierchachical society in which every class tier scorns the tier beneath it.

    Shit flows downwards and settles on us, but the one group we don’t have to take shit from is each other, It’s a cocktail of fuckry that makes black on black violence almost inevitable.

    Yes black life is “cheap” and yes blacks who kill other blacks are aware of this, and may perhaps calcucate it into the risks they take with other black people’s lives, but I personally indict whites and their system and the tribulations it imposes on blacks, as the overarching entities that destroy or influence the destruction of black life.

    You and Meena Tu are right – we do need to talk about it. All the relevent issues need be brought out and discussed fully by those who truly want to tackle these kinds of problems.

    Maybe that will happen this time.

  • Socially Maladjusted

    @Gryph

    as always Gryph, you dare to say what must be said. and add the kind of clarity and depth to the analysis that many would rather overlook in these matters. .

    It did occur to me that some of the outrage over this particular attrocity came from fact that Trayvon was a posh black kid, a “worthy” victim, who didn’t fit the stereotypical “bad” black kid profile. But I think the death of any black child in such horrific and blatantly racist circumstances, would have caused a storm of outrage in the BC. At least I hope so Gryph.

    “now we aren’t allowed to talk about black on black crime?”

    “black people who murder black people are often operating under the same `racist’ ideology that ‘whites’ like zimmerman do. they TOO figure that black people are dangerous, going no where in life and that there won’t be the same repercussion for killing a black person. fanon calls it `horizontal violence’. i call it `uncle tomming’: they’ve not internalised but chosen to accept value systems that get them to see blackness and worthless – or a curse. the reaction that most people are having to the martin murder re-inscribes that basic assumption.”

    I see that Gryph, I really do – but I think it’s a little harsh given the stifling life circumstances that too many of us are confined in – being at the bottom and the competitive/hierchachical society in which every class tier scorns the tier beneath it.

    Shit flows downwards and settles on us, but the one group we don’t have to take shit from is each other, It’s a cocktail of f uckry that makes black on black violence almost inevitable.

    Yes black life is “cheap” and yes blacks who kill other blacks are aware of this, and may perhaps calcucate it into the risks they take with other black people’s lives, but I personally indict whites and their system and the tribulations it imposes on blacks, as the overarching entities that destroy or influence the destruction of black life.

    You and Meena Tu are right – we do need to talk about it. All the relevent issues need be brought out and discussed fully by those who truly want to tackle these kinds of problems.

    Maybe that will happen this time.

  • Bennie

    I so agree with Mena Tu. Look our future generation is dying, we are burying our children. Over what? We have got to keep the momentum going to not only stand up against racial injustice but to also reign our children back. We are a strong people, we came through so much. Our ancestors would be devastated to learn their struggle was in vain. They struggled for equality and we are shooting each other over nothing!! Look since President Obama took over the white house, you see how these racist are coming out of the woodwork and it is only going to get worse. While they are hating us, we are hating each other. What happened to our close unity? Have any of you checked out some of the racist websites, there are hundreds of them. I said that to say this. We need to pull our youth back from the brink of destruction. We can honor Trayvon by seeking his justice and fighting to stop black on black killing.

  • Bennie

    @befree
    Are you freakin serious?

  • Socially Maladjusted

    @KP

    You’ll have to excuse the confusion in my post. it was kinda written in haste, I was overcome with empathy for Meena Tu’s mesage and just wanted to show support for it.

    Let me try to explain how I got where I am now on this. First of all I was fighting mad at death of a black child at the hands of a racist. Why isn’t the muvva who killed him in jail? It was clear cut for me – let’s mobilize to get justice for Trayvon.

    But as the storm grew, we began to see people using the outrage over Trayvon’s murder as an opportunity to raise the issue of black on black violence.

    I felt that it was insensitive and ill-timed for people to do that at a time when when feelings are still raw and the family still grieving over Trayvon’s death.I also felt that many of those raising the issue of black on black violence aren’t the kinds of people who give a damn about what goes on in the more difficult parts of the BC anyway. I thought they were just the usual bunch of uncle toms, coming out to protect their beloved massa. (still think that’s true for many of them).

    Until Meena Tu’s post, which prompted certain thoughts in my mind about how we in the UK feel about the wave of (black) teenager on teenager killings we’ve had over here in the last 3 years. It’s a prioriity issue for us, of no less importance than a white on black killing. I realised that if I was in america, I might be one of those shouting – ‘what about black on black murder?”.

    So yeh – people are right to be skeptical about the outrage over the violent death of one child – but virtual silence maintained over deaths of many others of our young people. Indeed why is our outrage only reserved for white on black murder?

    Meena, Gryph, You are right – murder is murder and we should scream loudly about it no matter who the perpetrator is. If we can only get people thinking about black on black violence in the aftermath of a racist killing then I guess that’s when we gotta bring it up. Kinda feels wrong but – that’s where I am on it right now.

    Hope that explains my vacillation.

  • Barbara2

    Sorry about your brother. My condolences to you. You may not believe this, but Trayvon Martin is a distant relative of mine. Most of the other murders in our vast extended family have been Black on Black crime, however, and murder is murder. The hurt feels the same.

    It’s interesting how worked up people are over Whites who murder Blacks, but not Blacks who murder Blacks.

  • Travis

    Powdered Donuts Barbara2,

    Both your perspectives are very misguided at best, almost to the point of being ignorant (e.i. unaware). Black on black crime is a result of racism which manifest as un/underemployment, environmentally induced predisposition towards criminal behavior, feelings of inadequacy, helplessness, lack of understand about what manhood is, etc… One of the most effective and lasting things a black person can do to address black on black crime is to start a business to create jobs for black youths specifically young black men. If neither of you own a business I would strongly suggest you try to do that instead of framing this Treyvon Martin tragedy as a black-on-black crime issue which would be outright ridiculous. I almost sense that neither of you are really African-American because your perspective is so out of touch with African-American thought regarding the incident.

    I strongly believe that there are some white folks posing as Blacks in this comment board, trying to reframe this tragedy as a black-on-black crime issue.

    It may sound insensitive but you both really need to ” go kick cans” with that noise cause I like a few other people on this discussion ain’t buying it.

    I currently have a business with the long-term goal of creating jobs specifically for ex-felons. Been working on developing my business for near 3 yrs now. What are either of you doing to address black-on-black crime apart for your bogus attempt to divert attention away the the cause of the tragedy in focus?

  • Travis

    As a BLACK NATIONALIST, your perspective is complete and utter bu!!$hit. What have you done and are you currently doing to stem the effects of racism in the black community besides your obvious attempts to misguide people.

    BTW, I also identify you as a non-black person attempting to redirect the focus on this incident from it’s racist underpinnings to something more benign and obtuse like black-on-black crime.

    BTW, please show tell me of any other group in American who doesn’t commit the majority of it’s offenses against it’s own demographic group. Sociology will tell you that people tend to commit criminal offenses against those who are in closest proximity to them. With that being understood maybe you should focus on ‘white-on-white’ crime? Statistically speaking I assure you that that is a more pressing issue.

  • Travis

    Another black imitator fronting with more obtuse, pseudo, bu!!$hit advice. Again, there’s more ‘white-on-white’ crime in this country statistically speaking. It seems your views are more aligned with the mainstream so maybe it would be more appropriate for you to focus on “white-on-white” crime. It’s going on all the time.

  • Travis

    “I so agree” that you’re another black imitator fronting with more obtuse, pseudo, bu!!$hit advice. Your conversation doesn’t even sound black. Most black people couldn’t give a f!@# about what’s being said on racist website. You “totally” sound like a white person trying sound like what you think a black person would say. Go kick rocks with that noise.

  • http://americanandproud.net Robert

    How about WAITING to see the facts before claiming it’s RACISM? Would that be asking too much? Of course not, you folks love to jump to conclusions if there’s a “Victim” we gotta have a VICTIM right? The white man works because it’s okay in media and in print to paint all white folks who don’t toe the gubmint line as RACIST!!! Not working anymore.. Get ready you’re asking for it. You’re begging to have a race war when no real reason exists anymore except in the “Victim mentality” crowd. Everyone must be offended at something… be offended, be scared, be whatever but the narrative of racism is GONE.

    You would think a black man reaching the top spot in the nation would signal to the masses “Hey we can do it too” Not in the black community evidently, Still not enough there’s MORE racism now right?… WAKE up and get off the democrat talking points and see there’s a world out there if you work for it… Racism EXISTS in ALL races. Ignore them and do good anyway. it pisses them off…

    Try waiting for the facts in this case to be sorted out. It’s ridiculous to think that EVERYONE in that FLA town and state who is part of the justice system is racist. There’s more facts that are not being let out yet when they are people are going to be very suprised I think. It wont matter though because YOU folks have made up your mind…. Oh and the guy who shot Treyvon ISN’T A WHITE GUY, he’s part white. Like the POTUS… WAKE UP.

    Rant over.

  • Jesse

    Black male shot by White Hispanic, racial tensions run high on White on black crime. White Negro president sypathises, saying his son would look like that (unless he married a White girl). In other news, hispanic community feels discriminated against by White people as White Negro president ushers in tougher immigration laws.

  • Jesse

    US blacks are 37 times more likely to commit a violent crime than whites, blacks are 17 times more likely to commit violent crime against a white person than the other way around. Your interpretation of the world as a victim is yours and not grounded on numbers. And I don’t know How those numbers count for White Hispanics, White negros, White Asians, Negro Hispanics, Hispanic Asians….

  • thinkingoutloud

    AGREED!!! Same in Jackson, MS.

  • http://www.lenasledgeblog.com Highlyblessed1

    Very well stated. I concur wholeheartedly.

  • Powdered Donuts

    @Travis

    It’s a shame that my blackness and the legitimacy of my brother’s murder has to be called into question for pointing out the glaring hypocrisy among our people. Being the perpetual victim that you are, of course you will blame black-on-black violence on racism and the lack of jobs. Obviously none of the blame is to be placed on the person pulling the trigger, the absence of black fathers, or dismal graduation rates among black males. Not even the glorification of violence and material wealth by our esteemed rap artists. On the contrary, we are still stuck in the 1950s aren’t we? White folk have so much power over us they are systematically forcing us to destroy ourselves.

    Seriously, if institutional racism was the stumbling block that you make it out to be, I doubt I’d be living the relatively comfortable lifestyle I live today, and I most certainly doubt we’d have a black president (one that won my home state of Indiana I might add).

    The civil rights movement wasn’t fought AND WON for us to perpetually blame racism for our problems. Black people can be critical of other blacks you know? Sometimes one has to look within to find solutions to the problems that ail us.

  • http://americanandproud.net Robert

    @travis:…. STANDING OVATION!!!! Well stated sir.

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  • Bren82

    I agree with your statment. I don’t believe that mentioning the staggering numbers of black on black crime is meant to diminish the outcry regarding Trayvon Martin’s death. The underlying question is why there are no rallies, marches and Al Sharpton interventions when it’s black on black crime, which happens on a DAILY basis in the United States. It almost seems as if it is more less worthy of national outcry unless the perpretrator is non-black (especially white). My heart goes out to Trayvon’s parents and I do support them. However we as black people need to be even MORE upset when we commit crimes agains our very own “brothers” and “sisters”.

  • Travis

    Oops! Wrong discussion. Appears to be nothing more than a bunch of white people in hear pretending to be black, intellectually masturbating each other. Not my kind of party.

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    I just stumbled across your site via a link from Huffington Post and while I am not a woman of color (I’m a white guy) I am positively in love with Clutch after reading this incredible opinion piece on Trayvon Martin. I am so sorry for what’s happened and will do whatever I can to help change racism.

  • Jess

    WOW Gryph, i never thought i’d say this, but your comment is ON POINT! That’s all it is – those Black people who were Tiger Woods-ing it up, trying to be accpeted by whites in every way got a wake up call andnow they’re “scared”, “hurt” and upset about “racism”, when they could have cared less about all the Black kids (male AND female) being slaughtered daily. An integrationists nightmare FOR REAL.

  • fg

    disgusting racist piece.

    too bad zimmerman wasnt a lacrosse player huh?

    the gold teethed kid was a thug and got what he deserved. end of story.

  • Prizmm

    I guess suspect racist think the death of black men through violent behavior is ‘fun’, and they want to get in on the ‘fun’. The legacy of slave racism, resulted in an internalized self hatred for those who were victimized, in their traumatic stress condition they lash out at other victims rather than those most responsible for injustice based on race. Rest assured their are those of us working to correct this problem, both in perception and in behavior.

  • http://www.writingprincess.com Writingprincess

    Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., wrote “Why We Can’t Wait,” to answer critics who told him he was pushing too hard. That he should tackle one problem at a time. I feel much like him. The truth is George Zimmerman and his ilk are not our problem. We are. 94% of blacks who were murdered in this country were killed by another black person. The number of black male youth killed by firearms since 1979 is TEN TIMES as the number of all black, women, and children who died by lyching. If whites were as evil as the race hustlers want you to think they are we’d all be dead. No matter what they say, the “white man” is not our biggest problem. We are our biggest enemy. The self-hate that makes our lives less valuable to each other spills over to the wider world. And until we realize that our problem is self-loathing the racism that comes from it won’t dissipate. Until we love ourselves how dare we expect others to love us?

  • http://blackonpurpose.blogspot.com/ gryph

    @ simone: it is true. if mishandled murders and the loss of black life is what’s really the matter at hand, then we’d be just as angry when a black person kills another black person. we’re not. part of that is embarrassment, but not all.

    @socially maladjusted. thanks man. in a local bc’s yes, but nationally? not quite. in the bronx, the police chased a black kid into his house and shot him dead. that didn’t get the coverage the trayvon killing is getting.

    being at the ‘bottom’ of the social hierarchy is no excuse for black people killing black people. we’ve seen poor black communities where people don’t kill each other. this is not to say that it is fine for black people to be poorer than (almost) anyone else, but to recognize the poor black communities that are organised around respect for black life. the `murder being an outcome of poverty’ thing is a bit of a ploy to get funding for community groups.

    @travis. thanks for illustrating precisely why no one takes black nationalism seriously. your response is indicative of the lazy, cliche-spewing grandstanding that let that movement’s enemies turn it against itself. which is a shame because themes of self-reliance; a healthy mistrust of (or at least indifference to) whites as a group and economic co-operation that black nationalism occupies are crucial to black community development and subsequently anything resembling racial justice for blacks.

    but, you nationalist phonies spend all your energy sword-fighting with whitey and playing to black people’s resentment and envy of whiteness that you unwittingly promote the idea that it is really all about white people, and hence undermining your stated goal. this sadly is by design. it comes from the nationalists latent desire to replace the white man, not transform the exploitative system ‘the man’s’ created. and, by stalling black co-operation and describing white people as determiners of black fate, black nationalism has long been a tool of white supremacy.

    now, you drop `i’m a nationalist’ like that makes you some sort of samurai. in my books you might as well have stepped out of a clown car, lol. you guys have been exposed since the 70s. gtfoh.

    but first, fact is, travis, black people kill each other at a MUCH HIGHER RATE than whites kill whites or latinos kill latinos, or what have you. and further, instead of MINDLESSLY comparing black to whites – as your type are wont to do – why not compare blacks’ present reality to `nationalistic’ goal of autonomy and self-reliance? too trapped in your slave mind to do that travis? let me help you.

    does black on black crime, and the culture it begets, inspire black people to build and look out for each other?

    it doesn’t. it in fact does the opposite. i’m not a nationalist. so i’m not so concerned with how many whites are killing whites: for the last 500 years, they’ve done a pretty good job of looking out for themselves.

    black folks on the other hand need to do better by each other. you can sit and moan about zimmerman’s racism, but if black people really had their stuff their stuff together, you wouldn’t at all have people killing blacks with near impunity. but, keep blaming the white man. that’s easier and more fun, apparently than not being screamingly stupid.

    @jess. my…what the france…HOW DARE YOU! i’m shocked and wounded. i’ve shared nothing but blazing truth in these forums and only now you appreciate my BRILLIANCE?! i’ve NEVER been so offended in all my life.

    i bid you adieu!!
    ***stamps out of the room and slams door***

  • Travis

    gryph,

    It’s unfortunate for you that you wasted as much time addressing me on what you think are my geo-political views, since I sincerely wouldn’t give two squirts of piss for your opinion on anything, let alone your opinion on my percieved views. LOL. Seems that your lamenting and critiquing of Black nationalism is nothing more than an attempt to encourage me to speak negatively about other blacks who support a seemingly opposing view to Black Nationalism (e.g. Integrationist). Understanding that I’ll put aside any differences between me and any other black person or person of color, domestic or international, to oppose your mainstream, status quo interest. And I know that concerns the hell out of you.

    So now that you understand that, I won’t was anymore of my time with this bogus discussion while you and your like-minded cohorts so committedly stroke each others egos.

    BTW you guys are so transparent in here. Almost forgot to ask, besides offering your bu!!$hit, misguided advise, what exactly have or are you doing to advance to cause of Black people, assuming that you’re really black which I know you are not. Idiot. ;-)

  • http://blackonpurpose.blogspot.com/ gryph

    travis, that’s a pretty neat way of side-stepping my points. you identified yourself as a black nationalist. i explained – and illustrated – why that’s a freaking joke. your other points and accusations are as baseless as they are silly.

    there was certainly nothing in my post, but i challenge you to find anything that i’ve written that marks me as an ‘integrationist’. most people in here DISAGREE with what i say.

    fact is, you don’t have ideas, or arguments, just dodges and cliches and that’s part of the reason why `black nationalist intelligentsia’ is fast becoming an oxymoron. a shame too, because black communities would benefit from some of those ideas.

  • Travis

    What you call “side stepping” I call making much better use of my time. Believe me when I tell you that you’re no one to whom I should be trying to prove anything. Find something more useful to do with your time like studying, creating jobs for black folks, mentor some black youths. Up in the discussion board flappin’ your gums trying to mislead people is bad for your karma.

    Got too much work to do to be absolutely wasting time on your lame conversation.
    Deuces!!!

  • http://blackonpurpose.blogspot.com/ gryph

    no, actually it takes mere minutes to refute non-arguments: a link to an article or a video that undermines my points. you can’t do that though, not because you haven’t the time, but because you haven’t the proof.

    simply you are just wrong, but cannot accept it so are using baseless accusations – and black empowerment cliches – to obscure that fact.

    so like i said, you’re what’s wrong with `black nationalism’. you rely lazy sloganeering and black people’s awe and envy of whites instead of vibrant ideas.

    i suppose you haven’t the time for those either. fine. well stay gone this time, travis. if that is your real name. lol.

  • Travis

    gryph,

    Topics that are personal to me such as my political worldview I tend to discuss only with people whom I respect intellectually, which happen to be people from whom I think I could learn something. Since you have yet to say anything all that profound or insightful I highly doubt I could learn anything from you. With regard to respect, you’ve already displayed that you have little if any character by the fact that you misrepresented yourself as being someone you absolutely are not with the intent of misguiding people, not to mention the fact that you seem a little cowardly because you post comments under a pseudonym. Are you too cowardly to own your views?
    Aside from that why in the he!! do you I should elevate you to a position that would allow you to critique my political views? So if I out wit you in a debate on the merits of Black Nationalism, am I suppose consider it some king of accomplishment that I out debated some online stranger who happened to not be much of a thinker and also happened to have low integrity with a hint of cowardice? You seem to think too much of yourself or you are eager to affirm your intellectual superiority by crushing some pro-black or Black Nationalist person under the weight of your intellectual authority. (LMAO)

    How about we discuss the merits of your political views, your religion, etc… I am confident I am a lot more qualified to evaluate your views and beliefs than you are to evaluate mine.

    BTW, I’d rather demonstrate my political views through consistent and progressive action as opposed to talking about them, particularly to cowardly online strangers with no integrity and not much to say.

  • MalcolmR

    Bunk! How can you write this stuff with a straight face?

  • Hobbes

    In response to Wednesday Mar 21, 2012 – by Kirsten West Savali

    You don’t know any real facts because you weren’t there.

    Your son’s aren’t guilty or targeted because they are black. You and others like you have a chip on your shoulder you can’t let go. I suppose also you don’t know how to control your sons.

    George Zimmerman looks Hispanic to me. But now blacks and the liberal media have labeled him a white-hispanic or a white-mexican.

    I think it’s time to declare a nation wide curfew for teens under the age of 18. They should be home, period, unless their going back and forth from school, work, or sports. That’s it, no exceptions. If your caught out after 9 or 10 pm they should be arrested and escorted home, and the the parents fined or jailed.

    I think it’s time for you to cool your diatribes and rhetoric and reign in your so-called “black leaders”. Any gains you made with reasoning, moderate white people your losing.

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  • Elisabeth

    what about bleaching. Doesn’t that degrade the value of being black ?

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