In the wake of the Trayvon Martin case every news outlet has been delving into “the talk” that many Black parents have with their children. This talk is supposed to prepare African American children for the racism that they may encounter growing up. National Review’s John Derbyshire says there is a talk that non-black Americans have with their children about race too. Derbyshire wrote about this in his post The Talk: Non-Black Version where he describes the racist views that he has instilled in his own children. The outrageous content of his blog has many calling for him to be fired.

Here are 9 points he shares that every White parent should tell their children:

  • Avoid concentrations of blacks not all known to you personally.
  • Stay out of heavily black neighborhoods.
  • If planning a trip to a beach or amusement park at some date, find out whether it is likely to be swamped with blacks on that date (neglect of that one got me the closest I have ever gotten to death by gunshot).
  • Do not attend events likely to draw a lot of blacks.
  • If you are at some public event at which the number of blacks suddenly swells, leave as quickly as possible.
  • Do not settle in a district or municipality run by black politicians.
  • Before voting for a black politician, scrutinize his/her character much more carefully than you would a white.
  • Do not act the Good Samaritan to blacks in apparent distress, e.g., on the highway.
  • If accosted by a strange black in the street, smile and say something polite but keep moving.

He also adds,

“A small cohort of blacks — in my experience, around five percent — is ferociously hostile to whites and will go to great lengths to inconvenience or harm us. A much larger cohort of blacks — around half — will go along passively if the five percent take leadership in some event.”

It is beyond sickening that there are non-Black parents who may actually tell these things to their children and think they are protecting them. Let’s hope that there are more parents, regardless of race, who disagree with what Derbyshire has to say than support it.

  • I got sense!

    And you’re surprised because…….. The only thing this did was confirm in black and white what we already knew from everyday experiences.

  • Ocean Blue

    I don’t think Risa is surprised.

    I don’t think anyone would be surprised about something like this unless they were extremely sheltered.

  • iameverywoman

    You may want to pretend but a majority of these are how us Blacks feel. Besides it was all good when Black WOMEN (not men) were on CNN talking about “The Talk”. Please people let’s address the issues not blame the white man (again).

  • http://pervertedalchemist.blogspot.com/ Perverted Alchemist

    He works for the National Review…that’s all I needed to know…

  • The Black Police
  • edub

    I am not going to lie, these are things my mother told us growing up and we are black. In college, my parents sent me an extra 300 bucks a month so I could get an apartment in an all white neighborhood.

  • http://afrikanmami.blogspot.com African Mami

    iDIED! This is hilariously ignant to say the least. My favorite from his list

    If accosted by a strange black in the street, smile and say something polite but keep moving
    -I thought he was going to say just shoot them dead.

    This is NOT surprising. Again, every and ANY white person is suspect to me. I don’t care if he was adopted by a black family or grew up in Africa!

  • The Black Police

    I’m conflicted.

    Over here in Canada, rapper Young Jeezy held a series of concerts. In Toronto the concert was cut short due to a shooting. Next he had a date in London (a city stll in Canada) and there was another shooting. Wisely, his Montreal date was cancelled.

    I’m not usre how often this happens at concerts of other genres of music but I do know I have heard enough news reports to know that it is not a rare case with hiphop.

  • The Black Police

    I’m conflicted.

    Over here in Canada, rapper Young Jeezy held a series of concerts. In Toronto the concert was cut short due to a shooting. Next he had a date in London (a citystll in Canada) and there was another shooting. Wisely, his Montreal date was cancelled.

    I’m not usre how often this happens at concerts of other genres of music but I do know I have heard enough news reports to know that it is not a rare case with hiphop.

  • smm

    I’m not sure what all the uproar is about, White and Black folk suffering from racism and internalized racism say and act on these premises all the time. I am a long time eyewitness.

    Did he somehow make it official…lol?!

  • Ocean Blue

    These aren’t things that were ever told to me, but yea, a lot of Black people do have the same views as this guy.

  • Ocean Blue

    Black Police – Yea, shootings at rap concerts happen more often than they should. Just recently, Young Money artist, Tyga was all rough and tough at his concert and ended up getting two of his associates shot.

  • Toppin

    I’m black and I agree with everything on the list EXCEPT for the LAST THREE points.

    I know some black folks don’t want to hear it but just about everything white people don’t like about black people many of us don’t like about black people either. And it’s not self-hate…it’s simply recognizing there is a great deal of dysfunction amongst black Americans….so much so that it is not healthy to be around many black Americans.

    The truth of the matter is it is very hard to defend black folks from the things said by whites in this day and age. The ghetto masses have taken over and everyone (whites and blacks alike) don’t want anything to do with those ninjas.

    ***Probably worth noting…99% of this list is about black MEN…not black women…though this author took care not to draw a line between the two group I think we all know who he is talking about when he writes, “Stay out of heavily black neighborhoods….If planning a trip to a beach or amusement park at some date, find out whether it is likely to be swamped with blacks on that date (neglect of that one got me the closest I have ever gotten to death by gunshot)….Do not attend events likely to draw a lot of blacks….If you are at some public event at which the number of blacks suddenly swells, leave as quickly as possible…etc”

    As far as I’m concerned black women need to be giving their daughters a similar talk.

  • edub

    Yep. I’m sure this guy wish his parents would have told him that:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/caught-tape-tourist-robbed-beaten-downtown-baltimore-st-patrick-day-article-1.1057982

    We sure do love to live in denial and then get indignant when someone calls us on our crap. I think we are going to be hearing a lot more of this. White people are tired of having to hold their tongue when it comes to how they really feel. Black folks better wake the F*ck up.

    Somebody name me a predominantly black city or town that has low crime and excellent school systems. Car insurance ain’t high in black neighborhoods for nothing.

  • edub

    Yep. I tell the girls I tutor to cross the street if they see a pack of black men hanging around.

  • Delta

    There is good and bad in every race. I am black and I have had “the talk” with my children to protect them from harmful situations at the hands of white men, as well as at the hands of black men.

  • Ocean Blue

    I definitely agree with your comment, Toppin.

  • Tarupiwa of Zimbabwe

    Its a sad scenario there in America. Why are people all so tossed up over a lot of nothing. Seriously have you got nothing better to do or worry about. A man writes his list of his own personal perceptions about race relations – so whats the big fuss about? Why cant someone write a nonwhite version and go on with life. Do people not have freedom of conscience and opinion? If I think and am convinced that some woman or man is ugly and I tell them my honest view about that. Could someone with a level head cry foul? They could just ignore me and go on with life – or tell me in turn I was double ugly too – end of story. All I can deduce is, you Americans are spoiled kids – the issues you cry and get fusy over. You got such luxuries and time to waste.

  • anony.mous

    seriously? i’m not one for defend black men and tend to stay away from most black (american) men, but you and i both know that this RACIST hates black women just as much as the men. why make excuses?

  • Toppin

    @anony.mous

    Whose making excuses??? I agree with the just of his rant….racist or not these are things that alot of black people think and feel too. We may not admit it so publicly but the feelings are there.

    I’m just being honest in pointing out the things he described are mainly done by black MALES…not females.

  • Tarupiwa of Zimbabwe

    Please notify of follow up comends on email.

  • Mannie

    I read that very same article elsewhere @edub and I must agree, it’s hard to defend blacks when things like that happen.

  • Yb

    What is really a shame is that in that list he didn’t not refer to us as people not once, just “blacks”. It’s sad that some of the black PEOPLE on this comment section are consigning a man who sees them as subhuman. SMH

    It’s funny how white-on-white crime occurs FAR more than black-on-white crime (and white-on-black crime occurs more than b-o-w) but white people will still allow their racism and warped sense of self esteem to compell them to cross the street to avoid a “black” as they say will walking in front of a white serial killer, who majority of the time is a white male.

  • smm

    +1000

  • QON

    Im assuming this article is meant to be tongue in cheeck.

  • QON

    @edub

    You should likewise tell your girls if they ever see a pack of black women in a McDonalds just go to Starbucks. :-)

  • katina

    The sad part is that we are all lupmed into a group based on color. I would have the talk with my children not based on color. For instance if i see some loud drunk mexicans or irish people loud and out of control i would say leave. Yes we do have a black male problem and we really need to research ways in which they can let loose and use their energy in a positive light but alot of the issues related to our men are rooted from a system of racism.

    Our legal system for instance. Yes we have issues to work on but killing the unarmed and tracking black men down like dogs and throwing them away in cells is not the solution. And shame on u black folks for agreeing with people that hate you.

  • jamesfrmphilly

    he been fired……

  • Toppin

    Understand me when I say this: It is on BLACK MALES to save their own arse. And it doesn’t take research to see the problem and solution.

    I have alot of energy too but I’m not out here beating, robbing, stalking, raping and killing people.

    Folks like you need to stop making excuses for the inexcusable behavior.

    “YOUR” black men need to get their ish together and stop giving men like this fuel for their fire.

    It would be one thing if this man was saying what he said but black men (collectively) were a model minority (hello Asian men). That is not the case. It is so bad now that no one with good conscience can excuse their behavior whether they share race or not. Even black men have acknowledge their fear of black males (hello Jesse Jackson and Juan Williams). However, people like you want to be politically correct about the situation.

    Can you just admit that black males…American black males…are phucked up????

    Stop coddling these individuals and start holding them accountable for their actions.

  • http://afrikanmami.blogspot.com African Mami

    @ Topping

    Hmmmm…..interesting.

    @ edub,

    I find your comment so problematic. Woi.

    1st-aren’t you profiling and consequentially instilling negative connotations on your students about black men?!

  • apple

    @qon are you even a woman?

  • apple

    I have no feelings about this article cause if I agree I’m wrong because he’s grouping me with those people and I can’t disagree because it is the truth . So idk keep calm and carry on

  • Yb

    “shame on u black folks for agreeing with people that hate you.”

    +1000 also shame on them for agreeing with people who want to see us strung by trees and gone from the face of the earth.

  • entro

    I don’t understand some of the comments here agreeing with this mans obvious racist view. Like all stereotypes there is a small bit of truth. For him to say this about blacks he also must admit to white racism Asian racism Hispanic racism and so on. There is racism in all races but there is no discussion on that subject its like people are in denial.There needs to be an honest discussion about race in this country. Racism is not just a black and white issue it crosses all colors and ethnicities. In America it has to begin with the white man and his savage treatment of every race that he has encountered and his subsequent demonization of that race in order to justify his own savagery. As for the issue of crime I don’t believe that is a racial issue because given the right circumstances(or lack of) people of any race are subject to commit crime.It probably has more to do with environment than race.

  • Mina

    This really isn’t surprising. We’re living in a supposedly color blind america where racism is still rampant, it’s just less public and more private. It’s more sneaky, which I find is even worst. We’re repeating history. Soon, high schools, hospitals, neighborhoods, grocery stores, etc will become segregated and soon there will be more whites only signs everywhere. Who’s included in the white race? Asians, white Latinos, Europeans, and Anglo Saxons. All black, middle eastern, and brown people will be excluded.

  • http://liftingasweclimb.wordpress.com Mildred

    Thanks entro for your contribution to this conversation. The widespread lack of critical analysis of crime and reliance on anecdotal information makes this a hard problem to resolve.

  • Rastaman

    As we can see from many of the comments here, internalized racism has been a primary means by which we have been forced to perpetuate and “agree” to our own oppression. It is a major factor preventing us, as black people, from realizing and putting into action the tremendous intelligence and power which in reality we possess. On a personal level it has been a major ingredient in the distressful and unworkable relationships which we so often have with each other. It has proved to be the fatal stumbling block of every promising and potentially powerful black liberation effort that has failed in the past. Patterns of internalized oppression severely limit the effectiveness of every existing black group.

    The result has been that these distress patterns, created by oppression and racism from the outside, have been played out in the only two places it has seemed “safe” to do so. First, upon members of our own group – particularly upon those over whom we have some degree of power or control, our children. Second, upon ourselves through all manner of self-invalidation, self-doubt, isolation, fear, feelings of powerlessness, and despair.

    I am not surprised that there are so many here quick to agree with racist spewing of this National Review degenerate. By agreeing with those they consider superior in their minds make them also superior to “some” blacks or “other” blacks. It is as if the racist will somehow make see how different or superior they are….can’t tell them differently because they will not believe you. They try to distinguish themselves by gender, ethnicity or class as if the it matters to the racist.
    Anyone who is anti-black is my enemy because even if they attempt to distinguish me as different to the regular black people, they are still bigots. I feel sorry for many of you who have expressed agreement with this cretin because you are unconscious. You don’t know you are unconscious because you view yourself through the eyes of your oppressor you see as they see, you feel as they feel and you think as they think. The late Malcolm X referenced you as the “House Negro: “We sick massa”.

  • The Black Police

    No one is saying all black people are bad. To say that would be to condemn ourselves. But what is one to do when incident after incident seem to confirm a lack of decorum and what I would consider everyday civility. Somebody tell me. Really, I’m asking.

  • The Black Police

    Mildred, expand on your second point.

    The commenting system here sucks. It’s archaic. Why can’t I respond to the actual comment I want to?

  • Ashley

    Just like there are black men who are agressive there are black women who are agreessive and non blacks who are aggressive. To ebud, if you see a gang of white, Asian, Latino men you would walk pass them. For me personally, if a see a group of men whether they are black or non black I am crossing the street. The difference between black and nonblack men is non black get away with the same crimes that black men go to jail for.

  • edub

    Yes I am. But I am more specific than I am being here. I’m not talking about a group of black men wearing business suits and ties or scrubs and a hospital badge. I’m talking about grown black men hanging out in the middle of the day wearing street gear. The ones that are watching you from a mile away waiting for you to approach so that they can debase you. Those ones. Judging from articles I’ve read, that’s not such bad advice. There have been many black females who have been KILLED for turning down or ignoring these types of black men.

    @QofNC
    Yes, you are right. These days the women can be just as bad. I do also tell them to get off the bus if there is a pack of black women picking fights with people.

  • Mina

    I avoid men of all races who travel in a pack. I’ll teach my children to avoid large groups of men of any race to be safe. Because you can easily get raped by any man. My mom is a police officer. She tells me to avoid all guys and for good reason. But I guarantee you, if you saw a gang of men in business suits and they were black, you would not cross the street unless you were downright racist. The more money you have and the classier you look, the safer and less suspicious you seem. I wish all latino and black guys would just wear business suits and carry books around. And committed white collar crime and hacked bank accounts. That wouldn’t really solve any of the issues they face, but it would sure be hypocritical

  • Toppin

    @Black Police

    I would like to know this myself. Folks here are jumping down edub’s throat for stating the honest to God truth. I would rather tell young black girls the truth than see one end up dead because a pack of wolves decided to drag her into a building and gang rape/kill her. There are certain groups of people that need to be AVOIDED.

    Can we just be honest about the street harassment that black women and girls face that raises the conscious of awareness in us (i.e., avoid groups of BLACK males….not white, Hispanic, Asian…but BLACK….those most likely to snatch your black arse off the street! And 9 times out of 10 it ain’t some non-black men…though be caution of them too)???

  • Mina

    I’m going to tell ya the truth, the only people agreeing with him are people who are sick and tired of blacks in general. Even if they’re black themselves, when you hear about this bullsh*t and you experience it for yourself, you don’t want to be lumped into the same group as “those” people and so agreeing is a way to distance yourself from your own race. I’m sick of humans in general, not just black people. I want to do something to change the negative stereotypes they group us in but when I see people proud to display their coonery, it makes me pissed off where I just want to give up on my race. But if you haven’t experienced this side of black people, then you wouldn’t agree. If you’re not middle or upper middle class, you wouldn’t agree with him. Obviously, I don’t agree with all of the things he says, but some things you can’t deny. But this article is mostly geared towards those of middle and upper class who are white and asian, since more Asian women are with White men now-a-days and blacks who act “low-class” and stereotypical are the ones most likely to avoid in this article. Oreos are perfectly accepted though because they hate their race and want to be white. The more white you act and the richer you are, the more you want to exclude yourself from these stereotypes and hate people who fit into the stereotypical category. I’ll tell you the truth, I am middle class, but I hate ghetto people too. Doesn’t mean I hate my race, I just hate ignorance and people who embarrass us all as a group. I hate that they still think we’re dumbasses because we still act like dumbasses.

  • golden_girl

    @Toppin….

    The blame game feels better than admitting that most of our problems and progress begins with ‘us’. A lot of people on this post or Clutch as a whole dipict group think. Step outside the box and you will catch hell.

  • Beautiful Mic

    Uhm, I am black, and some of those I follow, but by instinct, experience and lessons learned, not because someone gave me a talk.

    I grew up in a 99% black community, but I would not consider raising children in one, unless, there were indicators that proved the community lacked corruption, ignorance and elements that did not make it progressive. I know that not all majority black communities are bad to live in, but many are, even for blacks.

    And I don’t go to certain type of evens that draw large numbers or blacks, such as those “Freak Niq’ (sp) type events. I’ve never been to one. I grew up around people who did go and they’d tell me stories about women getting raped and assaulted. While I was in college, there was always some random black jerk, during ‘Freak Niq’ season, asking me if I was going as he stared at my ass.

    No thank you; no sir.

    And these:

    - Do not act the Good Samaritan to blacks in apparent distress, e.g., on the highway.
    - If accosted by a strange black in the street, smile and say something polite but keep moving.

    I am very careful with being approached or approaching strangers anyway, no matter their race, especially if they are approaching me for thing like asking me for change.

  • The Black Police

    SMH. When will all the madness ended though? This mentality keeps being perpetrated. It is even glorifed in their so-called music – which I see no value in!

    Stop the violence! Please! (I have a feeling noone on here needs that message though. SIGH)

  • entro

    Its all about the human psyche.The amount of melanin in your skin does not dictate in and of itself your behavior its all about environment. If whites had been oppressed historically and stripped of their original identity and told for generations who they were and what they were not and denied the ability to educate themselves and provide for themselves and constantly bombarded with images of good and beautiful that did not reflect them, they would exhibit those same negative attributes that are associated with blacks today. If blacks had the history of whites and white priveledge and dominance our behavior would be the same as the indifference and denial and continued racial prejudice as whites exhibit.Its about the human condition. Race is just s superficial way to identify a deeper problem.

  • Beautiful Mic

    Unless you are rooted here and/or have live here for a long time, you have no room to talk. In other words, shut up!

  • The Black Police

    But why do some black people embrace these negative attitudes! I read about the FreakNiq thing somewhere else too! WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON? Is this somehow white people’s fault? I mean some of us will never act like that – so it has to come down to individual responsibility!

    I mean! We cannot keep sidestepping the facts here! I obviously don’t like the presentation of the article. And I am glad he got fired. But I would be even more glad if there was no fodder for the article in the first place! Are we trying to say he got this out of thin air?

  • The Black Police

    @entro

    Ok I hear you BUT not all blacks act like this. Werent we all raised in this white priviledge system? ALSO there are so many other minorities than black. And of course I know there is a peculiar black history in the West BUT there has to be a place for personal responsibility!

  • edub

    entro, you know, two years ago, I would have argued you down about the points you raise. As I get older, however, I tend to agree with you. Centuries of abuse has taken its toll on american blacks. But the question remains, if you are a black person who is trying to “get past” that, what do you do? How do you remain sympathetic to the collective experience while protecting yourself from the rouge elements?

    It seems as if the black community these days wants us to remain silent and steadfast about the overwhelming number of problems in our community. I don’t know how to do that anymore because as the days go by, the community gets more and more dysfunctional. Here’s this white man who views me as one of those people who should be avoided and here I am, a young black female, agreeing with him. It’s certainly a strange place to be in.

  • The Black Police

    @Mina

    What make you think so-called Oreos hate their race?

    The fact that people are even called Oreos is so problematic because when you look at it it’s really just a way of classifying blacks who act “normal” in a society where “white=normal”. Whenever a person is said to be “acting black” there is a negative tone to it.

    I’d rather be an Oreo anyday. And I LOVE black people. I’d rather live in a community of Oreos than anyone else. I will be certain that they will be civil and would not have to worry about racism (from nonblacks).

    But the bugger point is that I dont subscribe to the word or concept of Oreo. Black people can be normal and pleasant without it being a special case. The uncouth ones should be the special case.

  • The Black Police

    Interestingly though, is it enough for them to just fire him?

    Do editors even exist any more in the industry? Why was this allowed to be published?

    More importantly why hasnt this article been deleted?

  • golden_girl

    Been fired????? I wish he’d write more articles. Believe it or not these so called racist rantings help blacks understand the method to the madness. In life, it is better to understand the enemy rather than ignore them. But I guess many of you are hook on the liberal kool-aid and think you can banish ignorant comments to FOX. If they don’t express what they feel how are you going to position yourself for battle?

  • Mina

    @ The Black Police

    I’m just saying people stereotype Oreos as being those who hate their race. In general, I am an Oreo as well although I’m only half of an oreo and half something asian lol. But most Oreos don’t want to be associated with other black people.

    “I’d rather live in a community of Oreos than anyone else. I will be certain that they will be civil and would not have to worry about racism (from nonblacks).” But contrary to the belief that Oreos would be civil, noooo lol. Oreos have their bad sides too. In the words of the Oreo writer, a true Oreo must stay away from regular black people and other oreos because if you’re around a group of other oreos, you’ll most likely be grouped together and stereotyped as “ghetto” or regular black people. If an Oreo chick is a yuppie and a bitch, you’ll have disdain for Oreo women. If an Oreo guy is a yuppie and a jerk and only likes white skinned or Caucasian women, you’ll feel some sort of hate in your heart, but yearn for him secretly, but turn your back on black guys and date white men too. It’s complicated to explain but this is the truth in some cases lol. I live in a neighborhood that is upper middle class and I have black neighbors and white neighbors, but if I were a true Oreo, I wouldn’t talk or mingle with the other blacks in the neighborhood. If they look ghetto or act black, you avoid them. That is just that “oreo life” lol.

    I do agree that black people can be normal and civilized, but other blacks or “low-class” blacks will stereotype them and say “Why you talk white? Why you act white?” So “Oreos” avoid other blacks because they want to seperate themselves from the stereotypes as well as the ignorance of blacks. You can talk to other oreos in private but never in public, because you’ll be stereotyped.

  • grateful

    deleting it doesn’t make it any less truthful…

  • entro

    @blackpolice you mentioned fraknik do you really think that this only happens at black events? I can remember a time when white students used to go to Florida for spring break and reading about how the town had to close down because of rioting and looting and all the same things you mentioned about freacknik but they were labeled as youthful misadventures. I know that when there is mob mentality going on bad things can happen and has happened no matter the race

  • binks

    +2000 because i wondered if this guy knows there is a flip side to what black parents tell their kids about white people…and some of these comments don’t leave a lot to be desired…sighs

  • The Black Police

    If they are going to fire the man for his views, why leave the views up?

  • The Black Police

    Of course these things (and worse) have happened with white groups and have been perpetuated by white folks. Think about all of the mass bombings. The mass shootings like Columbine ( I don’t think there has been a black shooter to date). But what I get is the sense of normalization within black groups when these violent things happen. I’ll go back to my example of shootings at two Young Jeezy concerts here in Canada. The rapper himself said nothing to denounce these shootings. In his tweets all he mentioned was that police shut them down. There was just an insidious passivity that was evident there for me.

  • entro

    @edub your agreeing with this obvious racist man just goes to show the insidiousness of racism. He could have pointed out something negative about any group of people and because it was true for some it would be easy to say all in that group had the same characteristics not taking in to play the environment , circumstances, or beliefs of that one group displaying the negative trait he avoids. Mainly because he has obviously not been exposed to a wide range of black people his point of view is distorted .
    i ask all on this board to take a look at the propoganda hiltler used to demonize and subsequently murder the jewish people and anyone he deemed unfit and you will find that its not unlike the images used today to demonize those not of the majority race
    Discrimination whether it be racial or regional or ethnic, religious and is as old as the bible and is a human flaw and is evil.
    we all need to take a step back and put it in its proper perspective and see it for what it is.

  • entro

    @blackpolice I dont think that speaks to his blackness but his ignorance or just not giving a damn, thats a personal problem not a racial one.

  • The Black Police

    @entro

    The sentiment/approach doesn’t seem isolated to him though.

  • entro

    @blackpolice but you and I and many others are appalled by it and I’m black and I’m assuming you are so that destroys the notion that its a black thing. Its easy to speak and think in generalities buts its just not true and I have to remind myself of that as well

  • Dalili

    @Perverted Alchemist: My thought precisely!

  • http://www.myblackfriendsays.com myblackfriendsays

    There is a great book called “Breaking the Chains of Psychological Slavery” by N’aim Akbar that I would recommend to all interested parties. So much of what I see being discussed here in the comments is (in my opinion) psychological. If we want things to be different, we have to take responsibility for changing them. Starting first with our own destructive/detrimental thoughts. Know Thyself, ykwim?

    Also, I think it is so interesting that so often people talk about how we need to dialogue about issues related to race or racism. But when a white person says something offensive–they get fired. This doesn’t really encourage honest dialogue.

  • The Black Police

    @ entro

    Yes, I’m black too. Although not African-American (some would argue that non-African-Americans ie non-slave descendants are “different”. I dunno) I do know that it is not a black thing. There is nothing biological about it. BUT I have noticed certain thing among a number (not a small number but certainly not the totality) of black people and it aint pretty.

    Maybe it’s just a poor American thing? Or poor black American? Maybe it’s all in my head. All I know certain things have been displayed by certain people over the years and it cannot be ignored and swept under the rug.

  • entro

    @blackpolice may I ask what things you feel are being swept under the rug? How Much exposure have you had with other races of people and are your views being shaped solely on personal experience or those that the media shows. I am not sayin that its all in your head but just that when its used to make such sweeping generalizations its just not true and should not define a race of people have you considered the many accomplishments and contributions that descendants of slavery have achieved if you dig deep into our history you will find many. There are more than just Mlk and the others that are normally spoken about. Why aren’t we defined by our many accomplishment rather than the negative behaviors of some. Whites aren’t why are we?

  • Grant

    The biggest problem with his “Talk” and what whites will take out of it is that to them this is how black people naturally are just because we are black. Derbyshire believes this would happen in a vacuum, if blacks had never come into contact with whites, never been slaves, never been denied full citizenship, systematically raped, slowly but steadily dehumanized, kept from advancing economically and gaining wealth, and then outright attacked by political factions and social movements alike, that there would still be poverty, anger, and sometimes violence in the black community. What Derbyshire and others take away from this is that this is the definition of blackness, not the harsh and real side effects of nearly a 400 years of subjugation and marginalization.

  • Dalili

    I generally refrain from any discussions on race because I realize people are opining based on their experiences, but I couldn’t resist this one. I live in a racially mixed community in the South and have observed that for the most part all races view each other suspiciously. I’d venture that many may have a list like this that they pass on to their children, so nothing new there. What surprised me was how quick some previous commentators are to tout the opinion of a man who adds this to his list of things about Black people.

    (11) The mean intelligence of blacks is much lower than for whites. The least intelligent ten percent of whites have IQs below 81; forty percent of blacks have IQs that low. Only one black in six is more intelligent than the average white; five whites out of six are more intelligent than the average black. These differences show in every test of general cognitive ability that anyone, of any race or nationality, has yet been able to devise. They are reflected in countless everyday situations. “Life is an IQ test.”

    AND

    (12) There is a magnifying effect here, too, caused by affirmative action. In a pure meritocracy there would be very low proportions of blacks in cognitively demanding jobs. Because of affirmative action, the proportions are higher. In government work, they are very high. Thus, in those encounters with strangers that involve cognitive engagement, ceteris paribus the black stranger will be less intelligent than the white

    This sort of rubbish is where things get offensive for me. We could argue this doesn’t apply to some of us, but I doubt Derbyshire would take the time to differentiate for his children whom it does apply to. This kind of thinking perpetuates bigotry from generation to generation. I don’t know about everyone else, but I’d prefer that my nieces and nephew (I give up on it happening in my lifetime) grow up in a world where the color of their skin is not synonymous with depravity.

    Every community has it’s share of hooligans and assortment of crazies. And while am not advocating that everyone become an ambassador for Black race relations, am hoping we stop cosigning with individuals who believe the vast majority of black people are no good violent nincompoops who have no respect for life and are content with the malfunction of their respective communities. It’s an erroneous sweeping generalization.

  • The Black Police

    @ entro

    Perhaps because the numbers are damning.

    Again I am not saying ALL black people are like this. That would be senseless of me to say. I AM saying TOO MANY are like this. These are not isolated incidents.

    Can you please explain this to me? http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhTivPr5u24hufeGco

    Poverty? So many of them have money. I saw more than a couple of ipads being used to film. Their cars are not chicken change. Clothing I’m sure is expensive too. Yet a certain attitude prevails.

    I just dont know

  • The Black Police

    I think by oreo you mean someone that is self loathing.

    By oreo i simply mean someone who is “normal and civil” and as such is seen as some as acting white. I don’t see why the person I describe will not mingle with like minded blacks since I do. But it seems we are talking about different people.

    But please help me decipher this: http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhTivPr5u24hufeGco

  • entro

    @blackpolice ok now you’ve lost me if you are using worldstarhiphop as a reference point of today’s black culture then you are either a hoax or extremely ridiculous. I will no longer engage in any real conversation with you. You cant be real

  • QoNewC

    @edub

    Youre full of crap. This idea that black women and girls are at such a high risk of being gang raped and assaulted just by walking down the street is not backed any by any statistical evidence whatsoever. Yes, sexual assault are generally intra racial but its about probabilities. Do you actually think that the average black woman or girl on the streets fears being shot or killed because she spurns the advances of black men? Are you kidding?

    This “purifying of the race” BS members that you memebers of the “talented tenth” like to indulge in is sickening. Continuing to feed us po’ black folks to the lions hoping that it eats you last hasnt worked historically.

    Stop the propaganda. Stop the sensationalisation of crimes committed by black men and boys because you have some axe to grind.

  • QoNewC

    @Toppin

    “***Probably worth noting…99% of this list is about black MEN…not black women…”

    Actually its probably the male children of single black women… They tend to be the most volatile.

  • The Black Police

    That’s fine. Will not change the reality of the matter one bit.

    I’ll be your troll. And you can be the enlightened socially mobile black urban professional.

  • QoNewC

    @The Black Police

    This isnt about living in a neighborhood full of Oreos. Its about really, living in neighborhoods where the families are intact. Boys and girls raised in intact families have rates of anti social behavior lower than their “raised by a strong indepdent black woman” counterpart. Stay away from any areas where the homes are headed by single black women. The irony of staying away from black men is that in places where they are the head of their household, the areas are safer, cleaner, and higher functioning. Its alway in the black matriarchal hellholes do you get dysfunction.

  • QoNewC

    @Toppin

    Sexual harrassment assault rape etc. is generally intra racial and generally from men you already know. Lastly the likelihood of any woman, be they black white Asian hispanic or anything being snatched up gang raped and killed is pretty freaking unlikely. Women know this but ugly aging dinosaurs feminist and racio misandrist like you like to sensantionalize sex crimes because you have an axe to grind against black men and boys. Reworking of the white feminist movement with a Negro twist.

    As an aside, its been my experience with all feminist, and black women are not immuned is that the older, fatter, and uglier they are the more hateful. Women with low sexual value have a tendency of throwing men under the bus.

  • QoNewC

    @edub

    Please shut up. Who is asking you to remain silent? We been talking about stuff like this since the 1980s. Stop acting like you are some kind of vangaurd. You aint. Youre just some snot nosed child trying to feel special.

  • QoNewC

    @golden_girl

    I have to agree with you. Just talking about black men hasnt solved the problem since we been talking about black men since the 1980s. We will not talk about our sacred cows in the black community of broken homes that is DIRECTLY tied to anti social behavior in black men and in black women because we will go round and round in circles about dead beat dads, then birth control, than marriage, than black men not marrying black women, then white women, then Fredrick Douglas salt and pepper afro. Black folks are the biggest talkers in the world. Doers…not so much.

  • Ocean Blue

    “Uhm, I am black, and some of those I follow, but by instinct, experience and lessons learned, not because someone gave me a talk. – Same here.

  • QoNewC

    @Dalili

    Wait… so you havent heard “Toppin” and “Edub” talking about the intellectual inferiority of blacks? LOL. You must be new here. It makes me laugh when black women especially trot out these racist tropes. Cutting off their nose to spite their face. As black women, dont they know that if they subscribe to this mess they are arguing that their wombs are evolutionary dead ends? I wouldnt say they are totally useless as black women. Eventually “The Help” will come in handy.

  • edub

    I know the difference between propaganda and what I experience at the hand of my community. I don’t live in a fool’s paradise. Sadly, I must agree with him. That’s the tragic part. That there is legit justification for such an article.

  • Toppin

    @QoNewC

    Itch please shut the hell up and keep my name out of your mouth. You are one of the few black people who I actually believe is dumb as hell.

    I invite you to take a look at the downfall of Morehouse College. Guess what? It wasn’t done by Pookie and Ray Ray nor are the “men” that attend the college products of single parent (mother) homes. So goes your theory….dumb itch.

  • HowApropos…

    Africans like you are so irritating.

  • Socially Maladjusted

    Rastaman wrote:

    “As we can see from many of the comments here, internalized racism has been a primary means by which we have been forced to perpetuate and “agree” to our own oppression. It is a major factor preventing us, as black people, from realizing and putting into action the tremendous intelligence and power which in reality we possess.”

    You kinda broke it down hard on this one RM, if the people commenting here are black then . . . I fear for us.

    In most online opinion, black people get the blame for the views, hatred, and racist acts of racists. Racism is never treated as what it is –

    a mental disorder of extreme psycopathy that attacks the human empathy system and damages the racists capacity to live peacefully and in harmony with other humans, with other living beings and interact non-destructively with the environment.

    Mostly found in WHITE/EUROPEANS and prevalent in their populations, however it is highly contagious to those who have prolonged or regular contact with whites. Indeed, if the white psycopath don’t kill ya – the infection’ll make ya kill ya self -

    as wer’e seeing in this discussion.

    The irony is these people think they’re the healthy bl?ck people, but they are every bit as disturbed as the blacks who act out in more socially unacceptable ways.

    If you blame blacks for racism, there’s suttin wrong wid – YOU.

    It’s irrelevent that YOU avoid one type of self destructive behaviour if you engage in another. For the sell out nigro that would be – selling out.

    If your advice to other blacks is to stop feeding racism by not doing things that make people racist, then follow that advice yourself and stop feeding racism by siding with racists.

    Ackin “right” and thinking white aint the treatment for racism, the only way to cure racism is to disempower and isolate racists so that they can only –

    harm “themselves”.

    That is the human way to rid ourselves of whites and THEIR disease.

  • HowApropos…

    @Toppin:

    Once again, we as black women, are called upon to clean up the black man’s mess.

    It’s gonna be a while before black male apologists get black males out of their system.

    Black males need to nip this in the bud and get these black boys in check.

  • edub

    “Please shut up. Who is asking you to remain silent?”

    Q.E.D.
    Proof by contradiction.

  • QueenofNew

    @howapropo

    Girl shut up. No one is asking you to rescue anything except your edges from them tight ass buns you be wearing. Go sit down.

  • jayne doh

    i wish white people would stay away from us black folk too.

  • TheBestAnonEver, Part 2

    +10,000

    I have skipped through most comments based on the first line, but I think I will stop here. I just hoped someone would say this and someone has.

  • fred

    The comments are still up because this was not published on National Review. He is a columnist. But he used another website for the post. (Taki’s Magazine).

  • HowApropos…

    *whiny tone*

    …awww, but that’s where all the fun is!…

    They can’t leave us alone if they tried! We supply the trends and the style that makes popular culture what it is today.

    That’s why they’re forever appropriating everything that we touch.

  • CHE

    @qon/eshowoman/demon

    LMAO! at you as usual…
    Of course you, demon, is speaking from experience….volatile, violent, angry, etc..

    Yes this guy is racist and hates both Black women and men….. no matter how educated and how they act, etc.
    This might seem far fetched and I am an advocate of black women RUUUUUUning from the Black community(dont try to fix anything- just GO!) and Black men but I do not think most Black men are naturally violent but I do think C-RAP and hip hop music and culture is a big part of the problem. For decades these so called Black men have been teaching generations of Black boys and men how to treat each other and to hate each other and Black girls and women. They have also taught Black girls and women how to treat each other and to also HATE each other. They amped up the dysfunctions that we had as a people through their words and actions and yes there are historical and personal reasons for all of these dysfunctions .Some people might think I give too much power to these people and its the parents responsibility but at a certain point children are most influenced by their peers and this crap music/ culture is powerful… Its all over the world and look all around…WORDS have power….and I think this music/ culture plays a huge part in the dysfunction.

    Of course there will always be racists who hate Blacks just for being but some of these behaviors are unfortunately true among some Blacks and because those Blacks who know better and do better are afraid to check them it is only going to get worse and other people notice and yes other groups do their own dirt and are not scrutinized like Blacks are but this is about US- not them! We have let this situation get out of hand…we didnt check this music/culture(like we dont check alot of crazy actions and beliefs that Black people have) when it started(yes- a few tried- but not collectively) and now the chickens have come home to roost and have been roosting for a while and we wont say anything or do anything but talk as usual because we love/ are afraid of Black men?. It might be hard to believe but if you check old newspapers Blacks were not always the face of crime…. and maybe it is too late to do anything.

    Black women, please leave dangerous neighborhoods- you do not want to be stuck in neighborhoods full of angry and powerless men.

  • Ms. Information

    It’s funny…white people judge the intelligence of everyone with tests that they created themselves…gtfoh biased idiots.

  • CHE

    Also in middle class Black neighborhoods with two parents in the home you will find this behavior and violence. Blacks try to have nice neighborhoods for their families and certain people still follow them…and destroy alot of formerly middle class neighborhoods and this is why I still think this music and the culture and behavior it promotes is a big reason for alot of the dysfunction….Not the only reason as we all know – but a huge contributing factor.

  • Mina

    @ The Black Police

    There are two types of Oreos. The self loathing type and the “civil, normal, middle class, white acting” type. But with oreos, both can be normal as well as have some sort of self hatred for their race or certain people within their race.

    I understand what you mean. But for those who fear being judged and stereotyped, those oreos will not mingle with other oreos or “normal acting” black people in a large group setting because there will always be someone around who will say under their breaths, “Those people are so ghetto”. Even if they don’t act or talk ghetto, for a group to laugh and associate together, the other race will say they must be ghetto. True ignorance. There’s many other situations as well but regardless of the situations, blacks who mingle in a group are always grouped and associated as being “ghetto” or “regular blacks” aka blacks who speak in ebonics, don’t sound white, and probably like fried chicken. In order to not be associated with the stereotypes, you have to have some white friends around too for the other race to find you “normal” and not ghetto and ignorant.

  • Tarupiwa of Zimbabwe

    @ beautiful mic, @ howaprop. You told me to shut up because I’m an African. The other one says: Africans like you are so irritating. Now, there is such a thing as black on black racism. You such type of racists. My serious advice to you African Americans originaly from Africa is; you have seriously forgoten where you came and the values. Resultantly you have made – the majority of you – a big disgrace to all black people. What have u realy done with yourselves, your lives, etc. The potrayal you have given is that of 2nd class citizens in America. Why? Because all you do is drugs and crime – the majority of you dont even want to go to school. If you could change your life patterns and attitudes – you would gain the respect you deserve as a people. Respect is earned, thats why Obama is president. I am not just an African, I am a citizen of the world. Racism as an attitude cant affect me – I just ignore it. Ask yourself, why is Obama not affected? He’s got a positive attitude. With racism – it takes 2 to tango. I wouldnt shut up – NEVER! Stop the drugs and crime and everyone will respect you.

  • golden_girl

    Great comment. I just took a minute to think about it. Blacks…..even he ones that attend these HBCU’s, do not value the culture of education. Hair, music and sports are the boundries of most of our existence unless you come from an exceptional family…including a toothless granny wearing off colored stockings sharing her experiences that really make u think about real life.

    But as you know……you can not critique blacks. It is a mob mentality. Leave us alone to die in our misery while we snap our fingers to our favorite jam.

  • apple

    oh why yes because Africa has achieved so much -_-

  • QCastle

    @Che

    “Black women, please leave dangerous neighborhoods- you do not want to be stuck in neighborhoods full of angry and powerless men.”

    I cant think of any other group more angry and powerless than the little black boys raised by these black women. Is she meant to drop them off at the fire house or something?

    If you are at the root of the problem, aint no place you can run to.

  • golden_girl

    @ Apple

    I agree with you. What is Africa’s excuse? Rampent corruption plagues that continent. How you have all the riches in the world but can’t spread the wealth around? That place is one of the most poverty stricken around. The Africans who live in the U.S. are what I call the best and brightest from their countries that leave their homeland and make a new life here. What about the Africans who still practice witch craft, kill gays. Like Apple said………the pot can’t call the kettle black. Just saying. Not like Africa is all that either.

  • golden_girl

    @Apple

    My last comment did not go thru…bummer

    I agree w/Apple. Africa has the most poverty and is led by black leaders who export Africas wealth to the Chinese and Russians for pratically no charge. Most of the Africans who live in America are the best and brightest from their homeland who choose to relocate here. They do no represent the whole continent that is also filled with arms dealers, drug smuglers, human trafficking. Not to mention the killing of elephants and albinos.

  • Tarupiwa Of Zimbabwe.

    We all Africans. Black Africans. You could be American now but dont forget where you come from. Yes, you must fight for your rights – but you must straighten that person you see daily in the mirror. Its good to stand up and be counted. Never be some apologists. There are some God given inalienable rights to every human being. But, behind every right is a responsibility and accountability. Dont just cry and whine about problems. Be positive, respect yourselves then you see, the light you shed reflected back to you. Contribute something positive to your communites and the human race at large. Dont behave like cows that need herding. Dont be a liability to society. Be smart. Be vigilant. Be hopeful. Never forgot to smile and to be helpful to those you are in a position to assist. When you come across racists dont be a racist in turn. Shed positive energy – crying and screaming is not the way to go, for its very uninteligent. Lastly, respect family life, values and structures. The only way to reign in on crime is to build strong families. I value respect above money followed by character and integrity. We are brothers and sisters. When you are trodden down we feel the pain ourselves. Stop all those filthy tendencies, build formidable reputations for yourselves. Darkness cant ever stand in the way of light. Always be part of a solution not the problem.

  • Tarupiwa Of Zimbabwe.

    …We all Africans. Black Africans. You could be American now but dont forget where you come from. Yes, you must fight for your rights – but you must straighten that person you see daily in the mirror. Its good to stand up and be counted. Never be some apologists. There are some God given inalienable rights to every human being. But, behind every right is a responsibility and accountability. Dont just cry and whine about problems. Be positive, respect yourselves then you see, the light you shed reflected back to you. Contribute something positive to your communites and the human race at large. Dont behave like cows that need herding. Dont be a liability to society. Be smart. Be vigilant. Be hopeful. Never forgot to smile and to be helpful to those you are in a position to assist. When you come across racists dont be a racist in turn. Shed positive energy – crying and screaming is not the way to go, for its very uninteligent. Lastly, respect family life, values and structures. The only way to reign in on crime is to build strong families. I value respect above money followed by character and integrity. We are brothers and sisters. When you are trodden down we feel the pain ourselves. Stop all those filthy tendencies, build formidable reputations for yourselves. Darkness cant ever stand in the way of light. Always be part of a solution not the problem.

  • smm

    I agree with my whole heart.

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