Why is Raven Symoné’s Sexuality Your Business?

by Renee Martin

As long as there are celebrities, and people are curious about their lives, there will always be celebrity gossip.  The media has recently been a flutter with the rumour that Raven Symoné may potentially be in a same sex relationship with America’s Next Top Model beauty AzMarie Livingston.  Ms. Symoné took to Twitter recently to respond to the speculation.

 

 

Raven is not the only celebrity whose private life has been speculated about like this.  Will Smith, Queen Latifah, and Anderson Cooper all face ongoing questions about their sexuality and all have refused to comment, preferring instead to keep their private life private.  A refusal to answer in the minds of many constitutes affirmation that one is indeed a member of the LGBTQ community.

These inquires arise because we live in a heterosexist world, which assumes everyone is straight, thus turning homosexuality into something that must be divulged.  If a celebrity plays a role in which they are a LGBTQ character, or sits too close to someone of the same sex, the rumors are off and flying. Will Smith didn’t even actually kiss his co-actor in Six Degrees of Separation and has been married to Jada for many years, yet still people continue to question his sexuality.

There can be no doubt that out celebrities serve as positive reminders that LGBTQ people are present in our society.  In the case of LGBTQ youth, this can be especially helpful because it shows them that they are not alone, and that they are not deviant.  The pressure for an individual celebrity to come out, however, normally has very little to do with affirming the life of LGBTQ people and very much to do with marking them as “other.”

One never has to disclose being heterosexual, or having an affair with a person of the opposite sex. This of course aligns with the fact that no one ever has to come out as straight because heterosexuality is assumed.  The speculation about sexuality goes above and beyond the typical curiosity that the public has about celebrities.  There are several celebrities who are out now, though coming out can have extreme consequences to one’s career.  The attention is not focused on them to the degree that it is focused on those who might potentially be gay.  Instead, out celebrities must deal with the doubt that they are capable of playing straight characters –  as Sean Hayes discovered –  though the process of acting means taking on a different persona.  Actor Rupert Everett claims to be happier than actors who are closeted, but he asserted in 2009, “It’s not that advisable to be honest. It’s not very easy. And, honestly, I would not advise any actor necessarily, if he was really thinking of his career, to come out …”

For LGBTQ people, coming out can be a powerful experience. Coming out means the end of the closet; however, it is worth noting that once out, many still have to struggle to stay out, due to homophobia.  In an ideal world, the process of coming out wouldn’t even exist, or it would be a process that all people have to deal with.  This conversation began with the rumours circulating around Raven Symoné’s sexuality, but the truth is, speculation about sexuality is an everyday phenomenon.  One need not be a celebrity for people to begin gossiping about your sexuality, as though this is anyone’s business in the first place.

The fact that we don’t gossip that someone might be straight, evidences exactly how deviant a queer sexuality is understood to be socially.  No matter how far we think we have come, the demand that someone must come out, or the suggestion that they are being dishonest by their refusal to address something that is no one’s business in the first place is highly problematic. The way the conversation is framed positions a LGBTQ identity as something that must be defended against, rather than a simple occurrence in nature.  As long as this is the dominate attitude about sexuality, then LGBTQ people will forever be positioned as “other.”

I completely support the way that Raven Symoné has handled questions about her sexuality.  She is one hundred percent right, this is indeed a matter that concerns only her and the person she is involved with.  Being a celebrity does not give the world the right to have access to the intimate details of one’s life. It shouldn’t matter whether she is gay, bisexual, or straight.  With all of the consequences that come with being gay in a heterosexist world, no one should be pressured to declare for the purposes of the public’s curiosity.

  • Makisha

    Raven, do you honey, but if you are dating AzMarie, I bow down to you. She is gorgeous!!!!

  • Introverted Leo

    It’s not my business.

  • Misty_Moonsilver

    Hmph. Well frankly, I see Raven as a very good role model for young black females. I certainly hope she is not gay or bi.

  • Nici

    Are you really “LA Dreaming 86″? #IJC

  • Introverted Leo

    What is ‘IJC’ and why do you think I am someone else?

  • Nici

    I’m just curious. And the vibe I got from “LA/Cali Dreaming 86′s” comments I’m getting from yours. Anyway, it’s no BIG deal or anything bad… I was curious is all. :-)

  • Introverted Leo

    Personal story – I cannot fathom why people become absorbed in knowing another person’s dating habits. Unless one is planning to date someone whose orientation they aren’t sure of, it makes no difference. I’ve definitely dealt with other people questioning my orientation because I don’t obsess and worship men like they do or wear a certain style of shirt.

    It’s a shame that we live in a world where people have to hide their interests and orientation to avoid ridicule, questioning, and hatred for not fitting into gender roles.

    Celebrities don’t speak on their orientation because it’s bad for business.

  • Introverted Leo

    Do you mean Bi or Lesbian? Men/boys are Gay, not women/girls.

  • Introverted Leo

    In addition to my first comment –

    It’s a shame that we live in a world where people have to hide their interests and orientation to avoid ridicule and questioning for not fitting into gender roles.

    Celebrities don’t speak on their orientation because it’s bad for business.

  • TypicalBlackWoman…

    And this is why people like Latifah remain in the shadows about their love lives.

  • http://afrikanmami.blogspot.com African Mami

    I could give a damn hoot. But imma need her to stop looking kray in pics! The one she is posing with the bald chic…she looks scurrrrrrrrry!!! VERY! I wanna RUN!!!

  • http://commentarybyvalentina.wordpress.com/ Val

    Well if they are a couple they make an extremely cute one! Go, Raven and AzMarie!

  • http://commentarybyvalentina.wordpress.com/ Val

    See, that , what Misty said, is why so many Black celebs and Black people in general are afraid to come out.

  • TinaT

    I agree with Val.

    She’s a good person and has a lot more sense than many young black celebrities and Disney-starlets regardless of her preferences. if I had to chose a young celebrity role model between Rhianna and Raven, hands down it would be Raven.

    And at Introverted Leo, women can identify as gay. It is a sexual orientation as well as a label.

  • Introverted Leo

    I know that, Tina T, but it’s incorrect.

    Gay |gā|
    adjective ( gayer , gayest )
    1 (of a person, esp. a man) homosexual

  • Bosslady

    @Introverted Leo, English is clearly not your favourite subject. Women can also be referred to as gay, just as both men and women can be referred to as actors, but only a women can be referred to as as actress. Just as when the term “man” is used is the Bible it encompasses both men and women…That’s really a no brainer.

  • Bee

    Misty’s comment exemplify exactly why women like Latifah remain in the closet, and exactly why they should come out of their glass closets – just to spite the haters like Misty, if nothing else. @ Miss Thing (aka Misty): anti-gay, biphobic, homophobic attitudes speak more about you than it does about those whom you for one reason or another have a problem with.

    As for Raven, well I’ve never been sure whether I like her. But if she is bi or lesbian, I hope for the sake of millions of young queer black girls in this country (who are surrounded by folks like Misty) that she doesn’t take the Latifah route and remain closeted. There’s nothing wrong with answering a question with a yes or no and moving on – it doesn’t mean you’ve divulged anything overly personal just by admitting that you are a woman who’s dating a woman. We constantly question straight celebrities about who they’re dating and many of them giving a vague yes/no answer. Why can’t we question bi and gay/lesbian celebrities as well? Anyway, I admit it’s not my business who anyone’s dating, but I do think her openness would add visibility to black queer girls (who are all but invisible politically and culturally in our media) and give black queer girls someone they can see themselves in. I know I would have appreciated seeing someone similar to me as a young girl. Just saying.

  • arlette

    they really are.
    @Misty_Moonsilver please stfu. mind your business. i am fed up of people like you spreading so much hatred, how does who she sleeps with or goes home to affect you or anyone else.

  • T.

    Introverted Leo, it says “especially” (esp.) a man, which means that the term can be applied to women as well, though that usage may be less common. I know several women who identify as gay.

  • I got sense!

    You ain’t never lied. She is BEAUTFUL. Strong, sexy and a little rough around the edges. I don’t care who is effing who. I think the people making the biggest deal out of it are the black folks. Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

  • Toni

    Do you go around telling people youare heterosexual? Here is no reason she should feel compelled to say anything about her sexuality. Anyone who is gay or lesbian or anything in between can keep it to themselves. I would be appalled if someone asked me with whom I shared mybed with. Just because they are gay doesn’t mean that they are required to tell us straight people. Next thing you know all Jewish people will have to go back to wearing a Star of David symbol on their clothing. Religion, sexual preference and political sway is nobody’s business. I applaud Raven for maintaining her privacy. Just because she is a celebrity doesn’t mean every aspect of her life is for public consumption. I prefer not knowing every detail about her, a lesson her peers such as Brittney, Lindsey, and Rihanna could do well to learn.

  • libby

    Why do people keep saying Latifah is in the closet? She not. She just doesn’t go on the front of People magazine with the caption ” I am gay”. Why should she? She knows what she is and their is no need for an announcement. I hate to say it, but that’s what white people do. I have seen Latifah in pics with her ex, so how is she in the closet. Maybe she believes it’s none of other people’s business. The same goes with Bratt.There are straight celebs who refuse to talk about their love lives. Latifah is not in the closet.

  • apple

    when someone doesn’t answer the question then they are basically saying yes.. but hmm i would have never pegged her for a lesbian/bi.. oh well, laissez faire

  • LemonNLime

    Quite frankly, I LOVE Raven. Her TV show on Disney was hysterical and I like her method of comedy. While I don’t follow her 24/7 and I don’t believe celebrities should be role models for children, I think she is a positive, poised person and a fitness/ health inspiration. Whether she is bi, gay, or straight, is less than important because 1. it’s her business and her life and 2. she seems like a nice human being above all else.

    Some people are so quick to condemn people based solely on their preferences. I will NEVER understand how a group of people who 1) have and continue to experience the effects of discrimination and 2) many of which claim to be apart of a religion that teaches you to “love your neighbor” and “judge not least ye be judged” are so quick to deny rights and in some cases, person-hood to another group of people.

    And let’s cut the crap about the Bible saying it is wrong. People used the Bible to justify the enslavement, denial of rights, and 2nd class treatment of your ancestors. If you are doing the exact same thing to another group of people, how does that make you any different from the Southern plantation owner or Klansman using it to justify their evil ways?

  • Leii diva

    Yup! She’s gay.

  • Angie

    How come she can’t be a good role model even if she is bi or lesbian?

  • Angie

    I think she’s gorgeous and I wish her all the happiness in the world!

  • I got sense!

    You and I are cut from the same cloth. I don’t get it either. Same goes for gay marriage. How can you deny someone something that you dont even want???? Same goes for white people adopting black kids. Same goes for same sex couples adopting kids. O_o

    The ones who have the lowest marriage rate, highest OOW birth rates, lowest wealth/income, highest high school drop out rate, highest incarceration rate, highest violent crime rates, highest abortion rates, highest unemployment rates consistently for the past 25+ years and the highest obesity rates are spending WAY too much time focusing on who is in bed with who. We got a FULL plate of issues over here.

  • Elle

    I think the reason people are curious about Raven’s sexuality is because they are

    connecting her work as an actress, which is family-oriented, G rated, and overall

    rainbows and unicorns, and Disney, emphasizes on the “D” word. So the assumption

    that she could be in a relationship like that(referring to the ANTM model) and it’s not

    making sense.

    People aren’t separating the two, they may think she’s the same person that she

    portrays on TV and that may not be true. She could be doing a lot of things we don’t

    know about, they are just behind closed doors and not made public.

    I think she addressed it well though, she’s not harming anyone, her personal is just

    that… her business

  • Bee

    @LemonNLime: Agreed!!!

  • Black Womanist

    First, celebrities forfeit their right to privacy. Second, you will be considered gay when you repeatedly take cozy pics with a known gay person. I would not be surprised if Homeland Security kicked in my door if I repeatedly posted pics of me in a sandy area, wearing a turban and toting bombs so Raven spare us the fake outrage. You know exactly why people are talking. This is yet another of your periodic sad attempts at being an adult. Grown folks are not paying attention to you. Your bread and butter is playing a kid and catering to kids. Don’t make your personal life public then say you want to be private. You are not fooling anyone but kids and yourself.

  • Violet

    Oh phooey! Please. How intellectualized this all is. Really it makes being Gay “special” and “different” and The Other”! And it in my opinion it’s just yet another way Black folks are showing their ambivalence and discomfort with homosexuality! Someone did say that White folks are not apt to wave the Gay flag! If that’s true it’s because White America has had personal freedom for so long. And that statement in of itself is an old prejudice in the Black community! I was really very celebratory upon hearing this about Raven Symone.And the relative ease that it was disclosed proving that it really is no big deal. There aren’t any African-American Gay celebrities(Wanda Sykes only)who are in the forefront-and that’s a damn shame. And I believe shame IS the operative word. President Obama’s support of Gay marriage was so wonderful on so many levels.

  • Raleway

    What? Since when does being an actress automatically mean your private life is everyone else’s business? And if she is straight, she’s not allowed to have friends of other sexual orientations? Clearly you don’t know a damn thing of which you speak.

  • Bee

    “There aren’t any African-American Gay celebrities(Wanda Sykes only)who are in the forefront-and that’s a damn shame. And I believe shame IS the operative word.” Yes, yes, and yes. I completely agree. Only heterosexuals could fail to understand what you just wrote.

  • http://www.itsoftenbeensaid.wordpress.com Sasha

    So if she feels her sexuality is no one’s business and its my understanding that many homosexual’s feel this way too then why exactly do they make it a point for other’s to accept and like them? Not everyone’s going to like you, not everyone does have to like you and everyone is not going to accept you so deal with it…she didn’t have to respond to or even acknowledge these accusations but the words she used are very telling. Raven you’re gay, so what? The sky is blue. Moving on…

  • LN

    I was actually happy when I heard the rumors that Raven might be a lesbian. She is such a great role model for young women — hard working, smart, stays out of trouble and is a GREAT comedic actress! (That’s So Raven is still my ish… and I’m 26 years old).

    If she chose to reveal her sexual preference, I think it would be an inspiration to young, black lesbian girls who need role models.

    Either way, I will be a Raven fan for life.

  • isolde

    “This is yet another of your periodic sad attempts at being an adult. Grown folks are not paying attention to you. Your bread and butter is playing a kid and catering to kids.”

    @Black Womanist

    Sis, I see you, but that’s a whole. nother. thread.

    You don’t know how many times people have jumped down my throat every time I’ve said that Raven hasn’t done anything relevant since her sit-com wrapped. You know I stay kii-iing over the fact that out of that whole 3LW/ Cheetah Girls clique, Naturi Naughton is the one with the actual acting career. As long as Raven’s stans can hang on to that myth that she’s worth 400M dollars and she doesn’t curse in College Road Trip part 5, they’ll still hold her down, cause she’s “a good role model” and all.

    Being gay or bi would actually make her more interesting, although not as interesting as she would be if she were to star in a show that wasn’t on Disney channel or ABC family.

  • @Work_Bored

    OMG…”People used the Bible to justify the enslavement, denial of rights, and 2nd class treatment of your ancestors. If you are doing the exact same thing to another group of people, how does that make you any different from the Southern plantation owner or Klansman using it to justify their evil ways?”

    This was the reason why I get so upset and defensive when it comes to sexual orientation hatred. some may of questioned my sexuality, but I would get so upset because people would hate/disapprove a person over who they choose to sleep with!! to me it’s just like hating African Americans because their skin is so dark.

  • Deeee

    I like the way she handled this. If she is or isn’t who cares? There should be no reason she should have to put ANY of her personal business out on front street. I don’t get what attracts people to others personal lives; we see them on television and that’s where the “relationship” should stop.

    and on a slightly unrelated note.
    I hate talk of “being in the closet”. Just because you’re not covered in rainbows and wearing a stamp on your head people assume you’re hiding.

  • http://stephanietalktome.blogspot.com Stephanie

    I read one of the previous comments and I must say, you have a space reserved for you in hell if you think that you can condemn someone for something that you don’t anything about.

    In high school there were people that would ask me if I was a virgin because to them I seemed so knowledgeable about sex. I would say yes, I am a virgin and they would continue to assume that I wasn’t. My non-desire to go into details about my non-existent sex life made everyone assume that I just wasn’t a virgin, I just couldn’t be. lol. Some “friends” of mine actually swore on their lives that I just couldn’t be a virgin.

    Newsflash: I was a virgin! Just because I don’t address an issue how you see fit doesn’t mean that you know the answer to whatever question you come up with that I refuse to answer!

    My point: A lot of people are walking around with an opinion on a non-issue. It’s none of your damn business. Point. Blank. Period.

  • http://stephanietalktome.blogspot.com Stephanie

    I read one of the previous comments and I must say, you have a space reserved for you in hell if you think that you can condemn someone for something that you don’t anything about.

    In high school there were people that would ask me if I was a virgin because to them I seemed so knowledgeable about sex. I would say yes, I am a virgin and they would continue to assume that I wasn’t. My non-desire to go into details about my non-existent sex life made everyone assume that I just wasn’t a virgin, I just couldn’t be. lol. Some “friends” of mine actually swore on their lives that I just couldn’t be a virgin.

    Newsflash: I was a virgin! Just because I don’t address an issue how you see fit doesn’t mean that you know the answer to whatever question you come up with that I refuse to answer!

    My point: A lot of people are walking around with an opinion on a non-issue.

  • RJ

    People have a right to privacy, but comments made by Misty_Moonsilver are the reason why I get irritated by the MANY gay and lesbian people of color who stay closeted. If more of us came out of the closet, people would see that we are really just like everyone else and it would go a long way in “normalizing” us. A lot of the negative attitudes towards gay people are due to the fact that we are mostly visible in extremes (much like black folks). Gay folks can be just as wholesome and “girls next doorsy” as any heterosexual and Raven Symone is a good role model irrespective of her sexuality.

    Contrary to Misty_Monnsilvers asinine comments, someone being gay or lesbian does not define their entire existence. Was Barbara Jordan not a good role model because it was later discovered that she was a lesbian? Was Bayard Rustin not a good model because he was openly gay? Is Don Lemon not a good role model because he’s gay? It’s just so frustrating. You can be the most altruistic, kindest, educated, decent human being, but people will nullify all of your positive and wonderful attributes because of who you love. I don’t understand it. But I digress.

    The bottom line is that she has a right to be gay, straight, bi or whatever she is in private and in public. I don’t care. To each his own.

  • Ms. Information

    Raven is grown, she is no longer Olivia…BUT if she really wants to keep it private, don’t comment at all…

  • Seriously?

    Love me some Raven <3 God honest truth? Her music was playing in the background when I saw this post and decide to click it. Now I havent heard the rumors this is only the second article I read with her coming to defense of her private life but I I would say this–

    When a person chooses to be in the spotlight they have to be likable. If no one likes you, if you don't have that "it" factor you are remember for a moment before you fade into Celebrity oblivion. A factor in what makes you likable, knowable and lovable is having a personal connection with fans. The most "Private" celebrities eventually tell, maybe not in detail, but they do reveal something of their intimate lives. That is important because it gives people sense of knowing who you are separate from your talent. If they feel like they know you they can grow to love you and support you even when you produce crap. If Raven shuts down any potentials about herself all the time, she's not going to gain the way she could, the fans, she needs to support her even when she produce crap like her Georgia State tv show… =3=' (Raven whhhyy????)

    Now I digress, One sexual orientation is no one business AND the truth is the more a actor (for example)is quiet on the issue the more easier it is for the them to play any kind of role where they have to be gay or straight or bi or asexual.
    Anyone who says that one sexual preference shouldn't overlook their talent is right but silly because it matters, they are viewers who have a hard time seeing them as anything but their personal lives. But to turn around and say that a celebrity entire personal life is theirs is also silly because that's not true either and if you think so, well that's why you're not famous because you don't know how to play the game.

  • Velma

    Sexuality is “fluid”…..I learned that within my own life. Raven doesn’t have to tell the public ANYTHING. As much as I adore when people come out, I also understand and respect their right to privacy. Sadly, if you are black and gay…the black community would rather you not talk about it AT ALL; yet you can still sing in the choir and preach on Sundays.

  • luverl

    Nearly every celebrity goes through some sort of speculation about SOMETHING in their life (Beyonce went through nine months of it pretty recently). I think that is just the nature of the business. I guess people are just a little more sensitive about the sexuality topic. Raven Symone doesn’t owe anyone any explanation but at the same time she has to know that she’s not the only one who has been subjected to media speculation. If I were her I wouldn’t have addressed the issue at all. I would have just kept living my life. Honestly, who really cares THAT MUCH about her private life? I didn’t know people were really checking for her like that.

  • iQgraphics

    you said a lot, enough to warrant me agreeing with you and disagreeing with you

    first, celebs do not forfeit their right to privacy. if they want to showcase their prowess to the world via a certain skill set, then that’s what they choose to show to the world. Robert Downy Jr could have never made a comeback with the papparazi being on 24hr survailance the way that they are now. Times have changed, but these People do have a right to their privacy.

    but

    She did make something public, then when folks asked questions, she wanted to claim private domain. I agree with you there. that does not even make sense. if she wanted to tweet the photo, tweet the photo, if you then don’t wish to explain or answer questions, then don’t explain or answer questions.

    She should have not said anything.

  • iQgraphics

    “Uh-Huh!!” in *DMX voice*

  • http://afrikanmami.blogspot.com African Mami

    my two favorite kray ladies!!!

    *******hello darlings****

    @ Ms.Info,

    true dat. But on the realest doe, why are people concerned about coochies and dicklies?! that are not theirs?

  • Glow

    Preach LemonNLime! I 100% agree with everything you said! How can people get strung up over things that don’t even concern them? I’m tired of all the judging and tired of folks who try to fit folks in one little box in order to make themselves comfortable…I just don’t see how some people live day-to-day like that.

    On a side-note, Raven is a real talent and she seems like a cool person. I LOVED ‘That’s So Raven’…my only gripe is that she’s being SO underused, she should be having her own sitcom on NBC right now…but we know how that ish goes…

  • iQgraphics

    hey Mami!! XOXO

  • jamesfrmphilly

    olivia gay! lawd!

  • Ms. Information

    Hey ladies….idk African Mami..I am however concerned about my own….if I were her though, I’d pull a Queen latifah and let people think what they wanted as I counted my money and paid off Sallie Mae..:P

  • http:www.chicnoirhouse.blogspot.com Chic Noir

    Will Smith didn’t even actually kiss his co-actor in Six Degrees of Separation and has been married to Jada for many years, yet still people continue to question his sexuality.

    Well of course people question Will Smith’s sexuality, don’t you know, any Blk man who isn’t a thug, respects women, and who smiles is gay of course.

    That means all of those 50′s crooner groups, the Jacksons, Smokey Robinson, Nat King Cole, Louis Armstrong etc… all of them

  • Ms. Information

    Waves @ Chic Noir***hey beauty…no one is talking about how Will Smith pimp slapped that reporter…that was pretty funny..

  • http:www.chicnoirhouse.blogspot.com Chic Noir

    Instead, out celebrities must deal with the doubt that they are capable of playing straight characters

    Yea I can understand this, will a gay man be able to pull of a love sceen with a woman and make it look authentic. Neil Patrick Harris sure can and he is gay.

    I’ve seen old Tony Perkins movies and knew he was gay the moment he went in to kiss his female costars.

    Oh God, the love seens he did with Sohia Loren and Melina Mercouri were just dreadful.

    What man can’t get it going for Sophia Loren in her prime? Chile please!

  • http:www.chicnoirhouse.blogspot.com Chic Noir

    Instead, out celebrities must deal with the doubt that they are capable of playing straight characters

    Yea I can understand this, will a gay man be able to pull of a “kissie” sceen with a woman and make it look authentic. Neil Patrick Harris sure can and he is gay.

    I’ve seen old Tony Perkins movies and knew he was gay the moment he went in to kiss his female costars.

    Oh God, the love seens he did with Sohia Loren and Melina Mercouri were just dreadful.

    What man can’t get it going for Sophia Loren in her prime? Chile please!

  • http:www.chicnoirhouse.blogspot.com Chic Noir

    Ms. Information let people think what they wanted as I counted my money and paid off Sallie Mae.

    Ms. Information,

    I would like to introduce you to one of my former co-workers. I think the two of you would have alot in common. Or at least he could help you. In more ways than one *wink wink*


  • http:www.chicnoirhouse.blogspot.com Chic Noir

    OMG, I kinda heard someone mention that today but didn’t have time to check it out. Going to google now.

  • Ms. Information

    Thank you Chic Noir…that gave me some hope!

  • http:www.chicnoirhouse.blogspot.com Chic Noir

    I got sense!

    NO NO NO! Why would Blk folks be making a big issue of her sexuality when a sizeable portion of blk women under 30 are lesbian or bi. Chile bye!

    If anything it’s a welcome to the club type thing.

    I wish this thing with blk folks being ubber homophobic would die. The mainstream folks were pulling Mathew Shepards for how many years??? Then they want to blaime it on us just like any other negative thing. It’s always “Le Noirs”!

    Too many people are on welfare….”Le Noirs”
    Too many people having babies out of wedlock… “Le Noirs”
    Too many people have HIV/Aids…”Le Noirs”
    Too many people are overweight…”Le Noirs”

    Too many people took out mortages they could not afford…”Le Noirs”

    Too many peopel took out student loans they could not afford…”Le Noirs”

    Obama will be president again because … “Le Noirs”

    MTV has teenmoms shows because the girls are acting like… “Le Noirs”

    American popular culture is in the toilet beca use of the influence of … “Le Noirs”

    Mob Wives are influenced by …”Le Noirs”

    If the sun didn’t come out tomarow… “Le Noirs”

    If their dogs died tomarrow … “Le Noirs”
    etc etc etc…

    GIVE ME A BREAK! STOP BLAIMING US FOR EVERYTHING THAT GOES WRONG IN THIS COUNTRY!

  • http:www.chicnoirhouse.blogspot.com Chic Noir

    I got sense!

    NO NO NO! Why would Blk folks be making a big issue of her sexuality when a sizeable portion of blk women under 30 are lesbian or bi. Chile bye!

    If anything it’s a welcome to the club type thing.

    I wish this thing with blk folks being ubber homophobic would die. The mainstream folks were pulling Mathew Shepards for how many years??? Then they want to blaime it on us just like any other negative thing. It’s always “Le Noirs”!

    Too many people are on welfare….”Le Noirs”
    Too many people having babies out of wedlock… “Le Noirs”
    Too many people have HIV/Aids…”Le Noirs”
    Too many people are overweight…”Le Noirs”

    Too many people took out mortages they could not afford…”Le Noirs”
    Too many peopel took out student loans they could not afford…”Le Noirs”
    Obama will be president again because … “Le Noirs”
    MTV has teenmoms shows because the girls are acting like… “Le Noirs”

    American popular culture is in the toilet beca use of the influence of … “Le Noirs”
    Mob Wives are influenced by …”Le Noirs”
    If the sun didn’t come out tomarow… “Le Noirs”
    If their dogs died tomarrow … “Le Noirs”

    etc etc etc…

    What is going on here?

  • Jalen

    Just because “sexuality is fluid” in your life does not mean that it is in everyone else’s. Perhaps, given the explosion of gay and gay sympathetic stories in the media, it is easy to assume that most people are now more liberal or at least “tolerant” on this issue. But, that is not necessarily the case.

    Raven has a right to live her life and have some modicum of privacy and those of us who are more traditional in thought and lifestyle have a right to think and conduct our lives as we choose. The problem I am finding on the same-sex issue, is that some on the left want to demonize those who do not find this issue palatable and want to paint us all as homophobic if we don’t conform to or accept this trend/way of life. Some are just as loud and vitriolic on this issue and wish all kinds of ill will on those with opposing views to include “death”, etc. Some are decidely anti-christian and want those of us with these beliefs to revise or abandon them completely.

    Why is it okay for gays to be gay and “be themselves” and not okay for those who have more traditional views on marriage and sexuality to espouse them? How in the heck would anyone be on this planet without men and women coming together to make another human being? Are we now just suppose to toss everything aside as if our (culture/traditions) were last night’s trash? Are we now to believe that everything we were/are has no redeeming value?

    I obviously have huge issues with the way this issue has been framed by some gays, their advocates and the mainstream media and how traditional institutions and icons have been coming out in support but never discuss the ramifications of “fluid sexuality” especially when one partner has no clue that the other is “fluid.” And, what about the ramifications of HIV/AIDS on the black community and, particularly, the devastating effects on black women?

    What will be the next “big sexual thing” that we will be forced to consider and “flagellated to death” to conform to or accept? Polygamy, incestuous marriages, late adolescent pedophilia, bestiality, etc? I guess just about anything that is touted to exist in “large numbers” and involves the legal definition of a “consenting adult” even if the “adult” is barely a day out of adolescence!! The “if it feels good-do it”/”free love” mantra and the consequences will one day destroy this country!!! And, yes, that can also be applied to the sexual promiscuity and irresponsible choices made in the heterosexual community.

    Many people may scoff and think that this is outrageous, but “gays/bisexuals/transgenders” were considered just as outrageous once upon a time. More than likely, there are many other “selections” in our cultural closets.

    Once opened, don’t be surprised when people want to exercise their “options” or rights to be themselves. And, yes, the way others live their lives affect us all.

  • http:www.chicnoirhouse.blogspot.com Chic Noir

    Miss Information,

    I just looked at the video and that was Willie from Philly honey. Will almost went back to his ” Ali” days and gave that dude a left hook like he did the actor who played Joe Lewis.

    LOL at how he went back to his same ole bubbly movie star self a moment later.

  • http:www.chicnoirhouse.blogspot.com Chic Noir

    Miss Information,

    I just looked at the video and that was Willie from Philly honey.

    LOL at how he went back to his same ole bubbly movie star self a moment later.

  • Ms. Information

    You saw that code switch?..LMAO…he had to reign Big WIllie back…but the reporter is notorious for playing jokes on stars…guess the joke was on him this time..lol

  • http://laneewrites.blogspot.com LovelyAnon

    OMG I WANT TO GIVE YOU A VIRTUAL HIGH-FIVE!!!! Thank you…said everything I wanted to say. Very well spoken & you make great points! I wish everyone felt the same :-)

  • http://afrikanmami.blogspot.com African Mami

    @ Ms. Info,

    He left the hood, but the hood never left him!! Me likey!!!:) That was VERY intrusive, I would have gone buckwild crazy and forgot the reason I was there in the first place.

  • http:www.chicnoirhouse.blogspot.com Chic Noir

    Miss Information,
    It was so fast OMG lol. It was like…

    ” I’m a shoot your ass ninja”

    * turns to cop*

    “Yes officer, this gentleman and I were about to have an altercation, thank God you turned up. How has your night gone so far”

    P.S. Thank you for nothing for turning me on to that fool on youtube. “T Sotomeyer” he is a fool who has all types of isues with the sisters.

  • http:www.chicnoirhouse.blogspot.com Chic Noir

    Miss Information,

    My other comment went missing.

    He pulled on of these… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUS6nKpddec

    Code switching to the extreme^^^.

  • Ms. Information

    @ AM..right? lol..He went all Alpha male and stuff..lol **pops gum and twirls it in my fingers**

  • Keishea

    @ Chic on the Will comment..LOL..very funny…You R SO RIGHT!…it’s ashamed we can’t have a black man be labeled as just a positive successful man instead of constant scrutiny combined with criticizing…Let Will live!

  • Ms. Information

    @ Chic Noir *dead* that was too funny…15,000,000 hits?

  • http:www.chicnoirhouse.blogspot.com Chic Noir

    Amen Keishea!

    I think some of us have a backwards definition of what makes a man because so few of us are raised in healthy two parent households these days.

    I love a man who’s a good dresser but to hear some people say it, anything past a white t and sagging jeans is =le ghey!

    http://www.caribbeanlifenews.com/assets/photos/2011/7/2011_07_19_sub_mocada_s.jpg

  • http:www.chicnoirhouse.blogspot.com Chic Noir

    Miss Information

    That video deserved every one of those hits. One of the funniest videos I’ve ever seen on Youtube. I’ve watched that video at least 100 times.

  • Ms. Information

    @ Chic Noir…isn’t Sotomayor a joke? I haven’t been back…couldn’t take the drama.

  • hearyoume

    I’ve heard rumors about Raven being a lesbian for awhile now. I remember reading about it about 2 years ago…didn’t really believe it but i thought it wouldn’t be surprising since we hear nothing about her dating life. Anyway, it pretty much means she is living as a lesbian.

    Also, people don’t know this but National Enquirer is usually on point about stories concerning celebrities. They were sued years ago for publishing a false story so they have to make sure they are right about everything. They also broke the news about John Travolta. EVERYONE in the industry knows he’s flaming so it’s really no surprise. I was deep into celeb gossip in the past and heard so many rumors for years. I’m just wondering why he’s not being protected anymore.

    I won’t be surprised if Raven comes out soon though. She’s not really marketing herself to children anymore.

  • Rastaman

    I am not a public figure, I don’t make a living selling my image or my brand to the public and neither do I get paid an obscene amount of money to do what I do for a living. So in the world in which we live I pretty much qualify as a nobody and I also regain my anonymity. So if I chose to sleep with men, women or both most people will not even know or even care. It Raven Symone wanted that privilege she could do what I do for a living and shun the spotlight. Last I checked she has not shunned the limelight and therefore she has opened herself to have all aspects of her life highlighted, even her so called “private life”. She has abdicated her private person rights.

    It may not be fair but she getting paid obscene amounts in relations to her job is also not fair. So she needs to suck it up or get out of the celebrity biz. You see Ms Symone you have benefited in your life my profiting on whom the public thinks you are, if you expect to continue doing that you have lost the right to decide what those in the media have a right to publish and what they do not. It would be like inviting someone into your messy home and asking them to not notice your mess.

    Life is not fair but no one ever said it was suppose to be.

  • RJ

    @Jalen…almost everything you listed has already been done and in many cases is still the norm. It used to be the norm for children to marry adults and in some parts of the world that is still very common. Polygamy is still common in many parts of the world. So please miss me with your “what is the world coming to” nonsense. The world has already experienced all types of insanity from slavery to the holocaust to teenage girls being married off to old ass men. Ain’t nothing new under the sun. Gay people getting married is no more crazy than anything else society has survived and endured.

  • anon

    Well, if I wanted to date someone, I would definitely want to know their sexual orientation, so in some sense, it matters not just to the person whose sexuality is in question. Also, the status quo should be one of heterosexuality. I see nothing wrong with that.

  • judy

    it matters not just to the person whose sexuality is in question. Also, the status quo should be one of heterosexuality. I see nothing wrong with that.

  • CK1

    Bravo to her. I think more celebrities … gay or straight … should keep their personal lives to themselves.

  • jazzyphile

    She sure as heck kept it on the low while she was milking the Disney-Good Girl money. I guess she milked that tit dry.

  • http://www.rivaflowz.com Riva

    I’m incredibly enamored with the title of this article. It’s the first thing that came to mind when I witnessed this crap all over the blogs. It’s no one’s business and Raven couldn’t have stated her piece any more eloquently nor fierce. Go Raven!

    -RivaFlowzDOTcom

  • http://www.congocapanilo.com Congocapanilo

    Who was responsible for the ‘tip’ the lead the the release of ‘the photo’ and the rumor? Is the public being baited for a reaction?

  • Mr Jay

    So…to recap the media gets to speculate on straight folks sex lives but not gay ones? Not going to work. She chose to be in a media-spotlight industry so deal with it.

  • Mr Jay

    I agree the same the media they use to sell product comes with a trade off.

  • Lisa

    Please get over it! Raven is a celeb that means her private life isn’t private anymore. If you’re in the public eye people will talk about you. If you’re trying to hide something then people will speculate even more.

  • RJ

    What an oversimplification. No one is saying that people can’t speculate about her sex life, but there are some people who behave as if gay and even straight celebrities owe the world a window into their personal lives. She doesn’t owe anyone any explanation except for the person she is dating. Point. Blank. Period.

  • ashley

    The thing is that straight people do announce their heterosexuality- straight celebs (or possibly bisexual celebrities – but most will assume they are straight if they are with an opposite sex partner) show up at events with romantic, opposite sex dates. It’s a big deal when they get married, and when they get divorced. It’s song lyrics and movie scripts. The difference isn’t that LGBTQ people are expected to announce their sexuality when others aren’t – it’s that no one recognizes the way that sexuality is being announced all the time, and that LGBTQ people are the ones who get othered because of it.

  • Mr Jay

    What an over oversimplification. She gets talked about just like everybody else. Period point blank.

  • For Real

    @ Ashley. Agreed. Well said.

  • Whatever

    @ Chic Noir

    Exactly +1!

    Also some of the points in the article are ridiculous because heterosexuals are bombarded with intrusive questions all the time about who they are dating… It’s the main source of income for gossip magazines.

  • http:www.chicnoirhouse.blogspot.com Chic Noir

    Miss Information,

    I don’t think so. Tommy is trying to get on the “what’s wrong with blk women” money train just like everyone else willing to sell out for few bucks and a bit of attention.

  • ms_micia

    Like with any celebrity “outing” or sexual controversy the shock normally lies in how the image of that celebrity is portrayed. We’re not talking about Kim Kardashian or Amber Rose we’re talking about Disney kid star turned adult actor who’s whole career and image has been manufactured to make US (the dumb idiot consumers) believe she was a wholesome, heterosexual, “good girl”. That’s not what we expected of her that the image she and her people concocted for herself. I’m irritated with people who somehow feel it’s just her right as a person to simply “live her life”. I say fine, come out and say your a lesbian then. Come out and life openly and honestly instead of having little girls buy your music and play with your dolls and support you financially with an image that has nothing to do with who you really are. Disney has been selling us dreams for decades now, beginning with the Britney, Xtina clan, then her, then Miley and so on. It’s safe to say that most of what an actor or artist “say” they are is totally bs. I feel that alot of these people lead EXTREME double lives and choose to sell the public whatever they feel suits their interest and their pockets. By the way, she’s never transitioned into the adult market. She still corners the tween, young adult Disney market with her movies and merchandise so lets not act as if this revelation wouldn’t hurt her image it would. Let’s sit back and wait for more “bisexual” and homosexual stars to all of a sudden start owning up to it, years after their image has served its purpose. *eyeroll* And to think, I fell for the okey dokey too. I gotta say I am disappointing but I shouldn’t be given that Hollyweird is full of fakes and phonies. *sigh*

  • Lakyn

    But why is that okay? Why is it okay to get in someone else’s private business just because they’ve been in a few movies? Why can’t we treat their job as a job and ignore their lives when they’re off the clock?

  • Casey B

    @Jalen. Seriously? Pedophilia is not something that both parties involved can consent to. Neither is bestiality. Get a grip.

    And it is okay for gay people to be themselves, but not okay for people who have “traditional views on marriage” to espouse those views because usually the espousing involves verbally assaulting an entire group of people. That’s on the occasions that it doesn’t involve bullying a few children at a time until they become suicidal.

    And HIV/AIDS affects far more straight people than gay people. And if you are so concerned about the health of gay black men, maybe you could stop shaming people for being gay. (People with low self-esteems or not much education about how to safely have sex with someone of the same sex tend to not use protection as much.) If people could be with who they wanted to without worrying about their actions “destroying our country!”, maybe they wouldn’t be on the down-low and sleep with straight women too.

    Seriously? Stop being so scared. Put on your big girl panties and don’t worry so much about who other people take theirs off for.

  • DivaD

    I agree and cosign with everything you said. i also want to point out to the world that hello, CELEBRITIES BECOME and or CONTINUE on the celeb/fame/entertainment path because they WANT to. Raven could have decided to do like Keisha Knight Pulliam, go to school, get out of the limelight, MAYBE do a few commercials or really small roles (the mag or two) but generally just really live her life, but she chose not to. This issue is NOT whether she is gay or bi or not but that celebs ALWAYS take this approach when they dont mind sharing all other aspects of their lives.

    This could hurt her career if she “outs” herself because of the nature of her career. If she chooses a change in career path catering to the more adult audience maybe doing some Tyler Perry movies and using some of that massive cleavage she’s got for some photoshoots (and I AM jealous the girl is gorgeous) it would actually HELP her career; but in light of the fact that she is still in the tween and teen market she can’t come “out” without probably getting dropped by Disney.

    If she is gay or bi, that’s her business, but celebs need to stop with the canned PR responses. Instead, be very very selective where and when you are photographed. I remember Alicia keys did an interview saying when you see pics fluttering around TV and the net or hear people talking about who’s been seen with who its because those people WANT to be seen. In NYC for example there are so many hundreds of restaurants, night clubs and hotels, but why do celebs always seem to get “caught” at a few of them with someone they “aren’t supposed to”? BECAUSE IT’s publicity! Maybe Raven does have a career move in the works, and thats why these pics are surfacing. If she didnt really want to be seen or better yet, didnt want to talk about it, she just wouldn’t and thats it.

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