Things I’ll Never, Ever Do in a Relationship Again

by Janelle Harris

Denial, devastation, self-doubt. They’re three of the stages of recovery from the imploding of a relationship. Not the kind when you finally cut ties with your on-again, off-again, break-in-case-of-emergency jumpoff or you tell the dude you’ve been seeing for two or three months that you don’t think it’s going to work out. There are some pairings that need to be put on a pedestal in the annals of your personal history. They’re the ones that require the mixed CDs of Isley Brothers and Al Green tunes as a soundtrack to your sadness and make cookies ‘n cream and Doritoes the bedfellows of your heartbroken sorrow. (Or maybe that’s just me.)

I’ve been through one bad breakup. I should say, I survived one bad breakup. He had been my first love. Next to losing my grandparents, that was the most intense emotional pain I’ve ever been through. That thing was real. I remember it vividly: he called me in the middle of the night to tell me that he had a new girlfriend. I recall sitting up in my bed screaming. Literally. Whole household is asleep, and there I am, mouth wide open, hollering like an infant in a bassinet because this dude no longer wanted to be with me. So much so, he hauled off and got himself a new woman to solidify his done-ness.

There’s one more step in the sordid process of recovering from a broken heart: resolution. Part of that is coming to peace with the fact that it’s over. The other is fondly remembering the good things and learning from the ones that made you want to backslap the foolishness off yourself—like these five things I swear I will never, ever, not never do again.

Allow myself to be giddy about that gray area. Homeboy and I were together two years, three if you count that weird, in-between stage where we did all the things that we did when we were officially together, like spend time and have sex, which of course kept me nice and emotionally connected. But when he didn’t feel like being bothered or when I was getting too girlfriendy for his liking, he swiftly reminded me that we weren’t together. I was just happy he was paying me mind, so I stayed in that space for way too long. Hell, I should’ve never been in the first place.

Have a baby out of wedlock. Aside from being in love with the man, we’d had a baby girl together. I adore her and I surely don’t regret her as my child, but I do regret not waiting until I was in a healthy, happy marriage. My mama warned me not to be like her, a single mom raising a child on my own. But I was too head-in-my-behind, heart-in-the-clouds. I just knew me and this guy were the exception to the statistics, not thinking that once upon a time, my mother and father had probably been in love, too.

Fail to put God at the head. I grew up in a Jesus-loving household and I’ve always had a relationship with the Lord. But ask me if I ever, even one time, lifted up a prayer to ask the Father, the Son, or the Holy Spirit if I was with the right dude. I just knew what I wanted and pretty much expected God to fall in line with that and oh, by the way, bless the relationship. No wonder that thing failed. Not only was my man my top priority—another fail on my part—but he wasn’t even the right man, which I might’ve known had I invited Jesus into our twosome.

Lose my mind being jealous or insecure. Man, I was a handful back then. I even had an issue with the guy watching porn because I felt so un-fabulous about myself, I didn’t want him to have ready material to compare me to. As if, in our daily back and forth on a college campus that was about five girls to every one guy, he didn’t have enough to work with just going to the café to get a bite to eat. If Janelle now could talk to Janelle then, I’d say get some couch time, get a self-help book, and get over it.

Wait (and wait and wait) on a ring. I learned this one from the next boyfriend, who would’ve made the perfect husband—except he just wouldn’t drop down to that knee and pull that little sparkly piece of finger candy out. We had a ball together and he was a wonderful father figure to my daughter. But after eight years (oh yes, I said eight) I learned the hard way that a guy doesn’t always tell you he’s afraid of marriage. Sometimes he just shows you.

There’s a happy ending to all this hard-knock love lesson learning. My man now is beautiful and kind, and he knows what I’ve been through and appreciates me for the woman my experiences have helped shape me into. But even more important than that, I appreciate me for the woman my experiences have helped shape me into. Janelle 13 years ago wasn’t nearly as thoughtful and fearless as Janelle today is. That’s because, after you’ve survived a broken heart—if you know like I do—you know you can survive just about anything. And win.

  • ohyesshewrites

    Greatly written. Love the message here.

  • Cocochanel31

    THIS!!! Running around the pew clutching my pears!!
    Allow myself to be giddy about that gray area

    IS THE DEATH OF WOMEN!!! Why the hale do we do this to ourselves!! It is our undoing and the kiss of death!! Once you allow yourself to be “GRAYED” that man will hold the power over the relationship every time!

    Don’t do it ladies..HEAD FOR THE HILLS! iF YOU NOT THE FIRST CHOICE AND BEST CHOICE..ROLL OUT!

    I promised I WOULD NEVEER gray myself again too! lol

  • Real Talk

    Almost all baby mamas say they don’t regret their kids and almost all of them would have picked a different baby daddy if they could do it over again. The truth is being a baby mama in a lot of cases can and will stop a lot of good guys (and almost all good guys without kids) from putting a ring on it.

  • Erin

    LOVE this!

  • Cocochanel31

    Not true the older a man gets!! Most men of a certain age have children themselves so it is what it is!

  • Yaenelle

    I did the gray area thing with an older guy af I left secondary (high for those in the US) school and started to work. He dangled me along for a bit and I swallowed it up because he was so much hotter than guys my age and I was a big woman now!! I felt the pain and moved on but it happened a few more times (sometimes my choice).

    Other things I’ll never do:
    1 Wait for him to keep his promises so our relationship gets better. Did that and wanted 4 years for my ex to properly introduce me to his family (they have a bad history). Eventually it took a toll in other areas

    2 Rebound with the same guy over and over: nothing changes.

    3 Forget my worth!!! often in a long-term relationship, you get into a rut and develop a routine and may lose yourself. Took me a while to see myself as others do and improve how I see myself. Although I’m in a happy relationship now, I remind myself that I’m valuable without him and develop my own friends and interests.

  • Hurt But Never Broken

    Thank you sooooo much for this! I am at the pinnacle of the intense emotional pain and this message right on time. I will survive and I will win! Thank you Janelle!

  • http://gravatar.com/rastaman1967 Rastaman

    “Most people die of a sort of creeping common sense, and discover when it is too late that the only things one never regrets are one’s mistakes.”
    Oscar Wilde

  • http://sixfoota.tumblr.com DeezaPeeza

    Ooooh that gray area…

    I was reminded on several ocassions that I wasn’t his “girl”. It hurt, BAD, but somehow, someway, I seemed to always forget about it lol As if that mf didn’t just tell me I’m basically nothing significant to him last night. I think he used that phrase “you’re not my girl” as a chew toy is used with a dog. He’d just sit there & jiggle it around in my face whenever he wanted to show me & prove to me what I was in our pseudo-relationship. And there I was, 21 years old, grabbing for that chew toy like an idiot. And after all that time we spent together, doing holidays together, saying our “I love you’s” & planning this glorious life, I still can never call him my ex because he was never my boyfriend.

    All I can say is thank God for growth!

  • http://sixfoota.tumblr.com DeezaPeeza

    *ocassion :)

  • DoneSeenITall

    1.Play mama to his kids…big fail especially if you have not married him, you might wind up being a babysitter.

    2.Wait for him to get a divorce…if he is separated when you get with him, it may stay that way even longer if you accept a relationship with him before the papers are signed.

    3.Think he is a great father based off how he treat his children….time and time again I have seen women deal with a guy and they go on and on about how good of a father he is…then BAM soon as you have his baby (out of wedlock) you realize he has another side. Trust just because he is good to the ones he got don’t translate him being good to yours.

    4.Wait for him to get on his feet or act together…..a real man isn’t sitting around letting you do everything while he figure out his purpose in life. He need to be ambitious and a motivator.

  • StressedInDC

    Yesssssssssssssss!!!!!! These should definitely be added to the list.

  • StressedInDC

    Damn, I think too many of us have the familar “grey area” story.

    Not too long ago a guy threw that in my face. He said, “You’re not my girlfriend. I didn’t have to tell you. ” Ouch. Just like the other ladies, I lingered around. Then one day . . .I just stopped investing what I had to offer. Now he tries to come around and get info about my dating life. Do you what I tell him? “We’re not in a relationship I don’t have to tell you anything! I do what I damn well please because I damn well can.”

  • http://sixfoota.tumblr.com DeezaPeeza

    They ALWAYS come back… always. SMH

  • victoria

    I can honestly say I never experienced these situation while dating b/c of several reasons:

    1) Like the author, my mother constantly told me to not be a single mother like her. Mom was also a great builder of self esteem (although she lacks it a great deal).

    2) Throughout my teens and 20s I saw many friends become baby mamas and/or women who would put effort into a man only to have him say, ”You are not my girl.” I never wanted that (thanks to Mom’s constant talks)

    3) Like the author mentioned relying on God is key. THIS IS THS TRUTH, In my late 20s I prayed for God to send me a wonderful man and He revealed to me my future husband’s name. I am now married to a wonderful with the name that was revealed to me.

    What’s great about this piece is that the author shared with us the maturity and growth that came from this experience. She learned from her mistakes; that’s life.

  • Mademoiselle

    About that gray area… I’ll also never let him put me in a “title chokehold” — that thing that makes women put up with unnecessary b/s knowing that under the same set of circumstances, had no title existed, that woman would’ve walked out, but that title chokehold gives her a “reason” to keep fighting to make it better.

  • Rain

    I think the whole point about the gray area is there is no title & even though she knows for a fact there is none she stays and find it hard to walk out.

  • Rain

    Trust me you are part of the minority. If you had a dating background you would have experienced some failures in relationships. I do not think this article was about not being a baby mama, but rather what have you learned about yourself from relationships. Its one thing to be taught what not to do in relationships or to see other people go through drama in their relationship….but its a completely different story when you experience it for yourself.

  • Mademoiselle

    I caught that. I’ve been in the gray area too. I was saying an equally terrible place to be is caught fighting to hold onto a “relationship” because he’s throwing around titles. I’ve been in a situation where the man called me his girlfriend, but it wasn’t because he placed any value in the title, it was just meant to keep me from dropping him and exploring my options with other men, and I ended up putting up with crap that I normally would’ve walked away from had it not been for that title making me feel like I HAD to figure out how to make things work because that’s what “girlfriends” do. From that I learned to never be dazed by the title because it can be used for manipulation too.

  • ?!?

    Good for you. I feel so bad for these women. These men played them like fiddles.

    That long term relationship with no ring is a hard one. Some of these guys will use you up for years and years just having a good time and they never want to get married. People think marriage is outdated for some reason, and some of these guys never have plans to get married just to have a string of long term relationships.

    I think it’s actually low down to use a woman’s body and youth like that when you know good and well that you don’t want to get married but she does. For men, I guess it’s like some gold digger using your money and resources and never dating you or having sex with you.

    That being said, women make so many mistakes when it comes to men. Would a guy hang around for weeks and when he wants to have sex, you say you’re not my boyfriend so we can’t have sex? No. He would be pissed and out the door. But you want a commitment, and he keeps telling you that you’re not his girl and you stay. That oxytocin keeps you emotional and attached, and you’re unable to think clearly.

    I wonder how many women out there thought being some man’s baby momma would bring them closer together.

    I’m glad the author is happy now. That’s some hard personal growth. The part where you said you screamed…I could see that in some Bridget Jones movie.

  • Rain

    True, true @ Mademoiselle now I see what you are saying…. I know of a chick right now who is with a guy who kept telling her he didn’t want a relationship, so she cut off the sex then all the sudden now they are in a relationship and he screwing her all the time…until he get tired of playing house that is. Like the saying goes if a person tell you who they are you better believe them. Lol

  • victoria

    ”It’s a completely different story when you experience it for yourself.”

    Rain, truth is, I never wanted to experience what the author wrote about in this article. Yes, we all go through things (heartache). But some situations can be avoided. My mother didnt want me to experience these things and thanks to her caring talks, I didnt. I dont want my daughter to be in the author’s shoes so I will definitely pass down the knowledge my mother gave me added with my life experience. What happens after that will be my daughter’s choice.

  • Love Sosa

    man, the grey area is only for the ones that are a step above regular jumpoffs. grey area is usually reserved for the girls that are jump offs, but we wouldn’t mind being seen out in public with and don’t mind spending time outside of the bedrooom with. (hope that doesn’t offend yall, but that’s true.)

    baby out of wedlock shouldn’t hinder your choices. if he really cares for you, he’ll love them too. they are you, package deal.

    too often, i feel we let waiting on god to deliver a message overtake what is right in front of us.. just let it flow, everything doesn’t need a significant sign. the lack of a sign may be a sign itself.

    can’t be jealous or insecure, if you the one, he’ll make it obvious. trust him.

    be new, ask him to marry you.

  • SB Foster

    Janelle, you write like Lonnae O’Neal Parker – your crafty use of metaphors rock! I had so much fun, reflection and connection reading your post, BUT, I’m not a single mother, thank goodness, however I have friends who can relate. I also have a wonderful habit of saying “no” to these men who keep asking to marry me because I’m all about NOT having these men access to my paycheck.
    Don’t get me wrong, I can understand how the intense emotional pain is like and I appreciate how like-minded we are about sinking into an abyss, survival and making peace with the pain. Accepting and moving on makes us better for it. Thank you Janelle for putting power to experience and personal growth.

  • Rain

    @Victoria while I commend you for not “wanting” to experience what the author has. I don’t think any of us “wanted” to experience any of the things she mentioned. So could you please tell us exactly how do you avoid the gray area? How do you avoid waiting for a ring when you must invest time in a relationship and get to know a person before you get to the ring? (Note, the author said waiting, waiting , waiting & waiting…indicating that she knew she had to put in work to determine if they were right for each other at some point, which most Americans do, as we do not have arranged marriages…lol) There is no guarantee you are going to marry a person you are dating. You don’t know day one that the person is leading you to the gray area. I don’t think anybody goes in like yeah I want to be strung along and have my emotions played with. Most of time you wind up in the gray area after you have been lead on and told lies. Yes as women we must keep our eyes open and use our intuition, but just because you use those things does not mean you were not in the gray area. Very few women marry the first man they date, most go through trials and tribulations before meeting Mr. Right.

  • Pseudonym

    Girl, #4, #4, #4…maybe I should change my name to #4 to remind me to never do this again. I had a 2 1/2 year SAGA waiting for the man I signed up to date to actually show up…but didn’t realize he was a figment of my ex’s imagination and that the raggedy real version was actually the best he could do.

    #Don’tTalkAboutItBeAboutIt

  • Eric

    These women already made their choices. F**k em. When today’s women are in a position to choose, they tend to choose badly. Their is no sympathy when you, yourself put yourself at a disadvantage. It is time for the young childless women (25 & younger) to see what choices they make as a collective.

    And now in 2012, I see a number of women open mocking, taking shots at the marriage minded, parental-ly responsible, CHILDLESS men that share their complexion. And wonder why these men are nowhere to be found.

    And yes, it is so much fun to watch you itches drown in your poor choices.

  • victoria

    Rain

    For me personally, throughout my twenties I focused on school and I traveled extensively so getting married was not on my radar until I was in my 30s. And by then I was mature enough to date men who had the same goals as me. If someone wasnt interested in marriage I didnt date them. If I noticed that someone didn’t fit, I had no qualms ending a relationship (since I was a teenager I never had problems ending relationships when I noticed something I didnt like). I got married at 33 to a man whose goal was to have a family not just test the waters.

    I would’ve never waited 8 years for a ring. I didnt believe in living together (playing the wife role without a ring). I was the girl who use to advise my friends to move on when a guy kept them hanging. Just my experience and how I did things. I know all women are different. Like you said, ”If a person tell you who they are you better believe them.”

  • victoria

    Oh, and I do have a dating history. In my 20s, I didnt date a lot of men, but I had the same boyfriend for 5 years. But marriage wasnt on my mind nor his (He didnt want to marry until his 30s. We lived separately. Both of us didn’t want kids at the time He definitely didnt believe in having children OOW. We broke up when I was 27. I dated another guy for 1 year. I knew I wasnt going to marry him (he didnt want kids). So besides a dates and friends, that’s it.

  • ?!?

    Why do you bitter men come to this site and say the same things over and over? The author seems to be happy in a relationship with a good guy and you come here ranting and raving because she reminds you of the women who turned you down. She is not asking for your sympathy. She seems to be happy. You’re the angry one. I mean your idea of fun is laughing at others’ misery, so that says something about you. I guess you laugh at the black men struggling in these bad neighborhoods who can’t get a decent job because they screwed up and made poor choices too. Actually you probably blame his momma or the thug chasers for not motivating him.

    What decent black women are mocking childless black men who want marriage? I haven’t seen them on this site. I don’t see marriage minded BW mocking them in the real world either. If you want to paint black women as a bunch of hoodrats that chase after thugs to justify your anger, that’s you. And yeah, if you’re proposing marriage to thug chasers, you’re probably going to get laughed at. It’s not rocket science. You all are the ones lusting after crazy women who obviously don’t share your values. It’s silly. I don’t rant and rave about thugs because I don’t want a thug.

    People spend a lot of time talking about bitter women, but bitter men take it to a whole….notha….level.

  • Pseudonym

    “And now in 2012, I see a number of women open mocking, taking shots at the marriage minded, parental-ly responsible, CHILDLESS men that share their complexion. And wonder why these men are nowhere to be found.”

    Nonsense!

    Take 5 min to read through the articles and comments on this site and you will see that is DEFINITELY not true. Actually, seems a lot of the chatter is trying to figure out where to find all of these “marriage-minded, parental-ly responsible, CHILDLESS men that share their complexion” that you claim are being mocked. Pu-LEASE!!

    (and why in the world are you on this site reading this article?)

  • Eric

    Actually, seems a lot of the chatter is trying to figure out where to find all of these “marriage-minded, parental-ly responsible, CHILDLESS men that share their complexion” that you claim are being mocked.

    Of course, when you are old, fat, with bastard child, of course it is time for a change of course.

    Only when a woman is on the decline, then its time to be responsible

  • Eric

    Why do you bitter men come to this site and say the same things over and over?

    Its easy to say the same things over & over again because most of you guys are in denial. Too much fun.

    The author seems to be happy in a relationship with a good guy

    The day she walks down the aisle with him, I’ll shut up about her. She is just another single mother with a boyfriend.

    and you come here ranting and raving because she reminds you of the women who turned you down. She is not asking for your sympathy. She seems to be happy.

    Good for her.

    You’re the angry one. I mean your idea of fun is laughing at others’ misery, so that says something about you.

    Greatness at work.

    I guess you laugh at the black men struggling in these bad neighborhoods who can’t get a decent job because they screwed up and made poor choices too.

    Nope. They can’t get decent male support via their mothers. And have to deal with being the most targeted group in America. Their woes are way more legit than yours.

    Actually you probably blame his momma or the thug chasers for not motivating him.

    If a woman does not get a ring, and allows herself to get knocked while in a WHATEVERship, she does not love her children. It’s on her. Men are doing their job. Women are not screening for commitment mnded men. Only when a mess is made, she needs a serious guy.

    What decent black women are mocking childless black men who want marriage? I haven’t seen them on this site.

    True. Again this site is frequented by women who past their prime and don’t have much bargaining power in the dating world. So yes, that is explainable. But among women with dating capital, they think they will be young & hot forever.

    I don’t see marriage minded BW mocking them in the real world either.

    If a unmarried woman is fat, she is not marriage minded. If a unmarried woman is old (30+), she was not marriage minded when she was younger.

    How many black women are young (25 or younger), a “4″ or above in beauty, chaste, positive attitude, and proactive in the dating game. Not many.

    If you want to paint black women as a bunch of hoodrats that chase after thugs to justify your anger, that’s you.

    Stop marginalizing bullsh*tting BW to hoodrats. You also have women making six figures, running blogs, who are intellectually sound, in college, who are also undateable based on a toxic mentality they have. And yes, they like irresponsible BM like the hood boogers.

    And yeah, if you’re proposing marriage to thug chasers, you’re probably going to get laughed at. It’s not rocket science. You all are the ones lusting after crazy women who obviously don’t share your values. It’s silly. I don’t rant and rave about thugs because I don’t want a thug.

    Stop marginalizing thugs too. Their are men who take care of their children, and men who don’t. That’s it.

    If he beats his girl, kills other black men, is a career criminal (robbing, stealing,abusing) whole different issue.

    People spend a lot of time talking about bitter women, but bitter men take it to a whole….notha….level.

    True.

    A woman tends to be bitter because she did to herself. Men are usually bitter because they were lied to, and/or discriminated against.

    There are a bit of victims in womanhood in America. But alot of the wounds are self-inflicted.

  • ?!?

    Dude, there are lots of young women on this site. I’m in my early twenties. Many others too. If you need to add twenty years to my age and pretend like I and the other commenters have 2 kids out of wedlock, again, that’s you.

    Your whole comment was pathetic. I don’t make excuses for women who screw up and have babies by men that they’re not married to. I don’t make excuses for women who date men who are obviously losers. I mentioned up earlier in this comment section that women make lots of silly decisions when it comes to men. You are the one on this site trying to constantly be seen as a victim of evil women.

    Seriously you said men in these neighborhoods are victims because of their mommas. You’re arguing that BW deserve no sympathy because they choose bad men, but then saying these men deserve sympathy because their mother screwed them up. No accountability. No motivation. Everything wrong is supposed to be laid at some woman’s feet. Get real. I went to school with guys who were raised in two parent households. Too many of them had no ambition, made bad grades, and worshipped hip hop artists.

    Wah, wah, wah. Men make all kinds of bad decisions all on their own. You’re not a little baby. These are grown behind men committing crime and lying up and making babies when they don’t want them. And they were deceived by their baby mommas, or their mother didn’t raise them to think committing crime was wrong, or they don’t know that you can impregnate a woman after having sex. It’s funny how you think a woman having a baby oow or getting cheated on is all her fault, but you think men who commit crimes and have babies before they’re ready were lied to and deceived. You all choose these women. I mean your whole point is that black women are irresponsible and incapable of raising kids alone, but you all keep choosing to lie up and make babies with these women that you don’t raise. There are too many of these irresponsible men.

    The majority of women get lied to and deceived too by men who claim to be “good men.” Stop pretending like the majority of these women go to the nearest club and find the most irresponsible men to date. No. These are men who seem decent and then do something crappy. Your black women date bad boys argument is just as pathetic as your black men do crime because of their momma argument. It’s you trying to place the bad things that men do such as deceiving women and committing crime at the feet of a woman like men are children who can’t take responsibility for their own actions. If a woman cheats on a man, men like you will call her a tramp and deceitful and get bitter, but if a man cheats on a woman, then men like you say she picked that cheater. She shoulda pick a “good man” and it wouldn’t have happened. In your little world, men are always victims.

    You think black women are irresponsible and inferior but you place all the problems of the black community on the backs of black women and excuse the bad behavior of these men. Men who shirk responsibility and are never held accountable aren’t any better than the women. How does blaming a woman for your screwups show that you deserve to be the head of the household and the leader of the community? And they’ll never get it together because no one shames them or holds them accountable.

    There are mental hoodrats and thugs. You think all black women are mental hoodrats, and you think black men are thugs or mental thugs because women made them that way. Whatever. There are lots of racists who say black people made them be racists.

    30 is old? You all need to stop. Folks don’t get married that early these days. If black women decided to be chaste and get married right out of high school, they would just be sitting around chaste and unmarried. Then you all would say oh they can’t get a man because they aren’t pretty enough, nice enough, feminine enough. Black men marry later in life than other men well into their thirties. Since most women date men their age, there aren’t going to be a lot of young folks getting married. The black community as a whole is not marriage minded. People talk about how 70% of black women are single. It kinda has something to do with the fact that there is a comparable number of single black men. A lot of these men don’t want to get married. They can get their sex, hop from bed to bed, have strings of long term relationships, even have kids, and all of that without committing. I guess that can be blamed on their mother. Oh. I know! This is when you all say black men don’t marry black women because they’re all baby mommas and not deserving of marriage as if all BW have children. Then the ones who don’t have children have attitudes or they’re overweight.

    I don’t even know why I took the time to write that comment. Men like you like to see yourselves as victims. You’re worse than women who think themselves perpetual victims because you think women have no right to talk about being hurt because all of their problems are self-inflicted. If you think there are no true female victims in this country especially in black neighborhoods, you are out of your mind.

    Also your formatting of that comment was not so hot and visually distracting.

  • __A

    This man thinks everyone on this site is some sad, lonely, old (which is apparently 30 years old) bitter BW.

    These guys get some kind of joy from telling BW that they will be alone and single and fat and black because the pretty girls turned them dowin in high school. It’s kinda sad that people troll that hard.

  • Rain

    @ Victoria, I feel you & I see your point!

  • victoria

    @?!?

    Cant you see Eric is hurting?

    You are wasting your time. Stop!

  • Eric

    @?!?

    Dude, there are lots of young women on this site. I’m in my early twenties. Many others too. If you need to add twenty years to my age and pretend like I and the other commenters have 2 kids out of wedlock, again, that’s you.

    I am talking about the collective of BW. You like grouping them just to this site. But the collective denial is strong here also.

    Your whole comment was pathetic. I don’t make excuses for women who screw up and have babies by men that they’re not married to. I don’t make excuses for women who date men who are obviously losers. I mentioned up earlier in this comment section that women make lots of silly decisions when it comes to men. You are the one on this site trying to constantly be seen as a victim of evil women.

    I saw your earlier comment. Very sensible

    Seriously you said men in these neighborhoods are victims because of their mommas. You’re arguing that BW deserve no sympathy because they choose bad men,

    Yes, because if you turn down commitment minded long-term men for short-term exciting men, yes you are essentially screwing your children over.

    but then saying these men deserve sympathy because their mother screwed them up. No accountability. No motivation. Everything wrong is supposed to be laid at some woman’s feet.

    Yes. Because parentally minded black men are all over the place, but they are being overlooked. That is totally on BW

    Get real. I went to school with guys who were raised in two parent households. Too many of them had no ambition, made bad grades, and worshipped hip hop artists.

    Stop pointing to the small amount of men who had both parents & didn’t take advantage of the privilege. That is not as widespread as you make it out to be, but single parenthood causes way more issues for children.

    Wah, wah, wah. Men make all kinds of bad decisions all on their own. You’re not a little baby.

    I agree. And most of those men, don’t have welfare, & a some type handout given by white men when they make those decisions, so they actually get a chance to mature.

    These are grown behind men committing crime and lying up and making babies when they don’t want them. And they were deceived by their baby mommas, or their mother didn’t raise them to think committing crime was wrong, or they don’t know that you can impregnate a woman after having sex.

    No, their mother messed up when she chose a man & did not get a ring before sleeping with him (putting her unborn children at risk). Men job is to approach & tag up on some a$$. Women are to convince those said men that she is worthy of commitment. If he won’t put a ring on it, move on to a man that will. If she allow him to hit without giving out a ring. That is on her.

    It’s funny how you think a woman having a baby oow or getting cheated on is all her fault, but you think men who commit crimes and have babies before they’re ready were lied to and deceived.

    When I say lied to and deceived, I am talking about men who treat women well, but its counterproductive. When men & women have s3x, the consequences are not equal, so women have to take more precaution.

    It is also hard to throw men under the bus who make children because they do not get primary custody. The government gave you that responsibility.

    You all choose these women. I mean your whole point is that black women are irresponsible and incapable of raising kids alone, but you all keep choosing to lie up and make babies with these women that you don’t raise. There are too many of these irresponsible men.

    I am childless, and their are alot more childless BM than there are childless BW. You can’t entirely charge men with not raising their kids, because in a custody battle, the judge will give women primary custody 8 to 2. When you give men a chance to fail a t single parenthood, different conversation.

    The majority of women get lied to and deceived too by men who claim to be “good men.”

    Were these “good men” their husbands when they left. I thought so.

    Stop pretending like the majority of these women go to the nearest club and find the most irresponsible men to date. No. These are men who seem decent and then do something crappy. Your black women date bad boys argument is just as pathetic

    No, black women do not screen men until she has a OOW child, now responsible men need to apply.

    as your black men do crime because of their momma argument. It’s you trying to place the bad things that men do such as deceiving women and committing crime at the feet of a woman like men are children who can’t take responsibility for their own actions.

    Because i believe women love men who deceive them, otherwise the itching & moaning of men who lie would not be so widespread & common online & in real life. Alot of men who commit these crime, don’t have the male support which momma was suppose to screen for. But you are making an argument that women should be FORCED to deal with men who will take care of his children. Men are WAY more likely to take responsibility than women are. Alot of women are protected from their poor choices. Until their children grow up to be crappy.

    If a woman cheats on a man, men like you will call her a tramp and deceitful and get bitter, but if a man cheats on a woman, then men like you say she picked that cheater. She shoulda pick a “good man” and it wouldn’t have happened. In your little world, men are always victims.

    I agree. If a man cheats, that is part of package of dealing with a high value man. When a woman cheats, that means that is the end of the relationship. It is what it is. Men & women are not equal in cheating. Be thankful dude gave you some action.

    You think black women are irresponsible and inferior but you place all the problems of the black community on the backs of black women and excuse the bad behavior of these men. Men who shirk responsibility and are never held accountable aren’t any better than the women. How does blaming a woman for your screwups show that you deserve to be the head of the household and the leader of the community? And they’ll never get it together because no one shames them or holds them accountable.

    You hold men accountable BY NOT SLEEPING WITH THEM. When women as a collective reward degenerate men, you get more degenerate men. Why is that so hard to figure out. But you are mad at me for putting it on blast. I know, I know. Women do not want men to be the head in the BC as a collective. Otherwise their choices in men while they were childless would reflect that.

    There are mental hoodrats and thugs. You think all black women are mental hoodrats, and you think black men are thugs or mental thugs because women made them that way. Whatever.

    The difference between men & women, Is that men have to deal with the “closet feminist” element when it comes to the non-hood boogerish BW. Women know the difference between blue collar vs. college educated vs. street dude, and choose accordingly. Men are not master manipulators. Women like who they like. Women can & do hide their true selves more than men do.

    I agree the women who are like Shidea Lane, are easy to avoid. You keep bring women like her up & she is not the issue.

    There are lots of racists who say black people made them be racists.

    I will stay on topic.

    30 is old?

    For a woman YES.

    You all need to stop. Folks don’t get married that early these days. If black women decided to be chaste and get married right out of high school, they would just be sitting around chaste and unmarried.

    Not true. Their are men looking to marry these women, but these women are thinking that these men will be around when she is old & washed up, so she will sl*t it up for now. If you are looking for marriage & being proactive, you’ll get what you are looking for.

    Then you all would say oh they can’t get a man because they aren’t pretty enough, nice enough, feminine enough.

    Their is a market for 80% of black women when they are at their peak of youth & beauty. No excuses. If you want a marriage minded man, you gotta go seek him out in 2012. And if black men are not available, and you are a decent catch, you gotta get you a non-black male.

    Black men marry later in life than other men well into their thirties.

    Because men are doing what’s best for them. When we got to marry you, we are essentially responsible for you. So, you can understand why we would be so hesitant. And they want women who are in their early twenties.

    Since most women date men their age, there aren’t going to be a lot of young folks getting married. The black community as a whole is not marriage minded.

    That is mostly on women. Women have advantages in the dating game that they do not exercise. And they chase men that have no business dealing with. Look in the mirror.

    People talk about how 70% of black women are single. It kinda has something to do with the fact that there is a comparable number of single black men. A lot of these men don’t want to get married. They can get their sex, hop from bed to bed, have strings of long term relationships, even have kids, and all of that without committing. I guess that can be blamed on their mother.

    Yup. Correct. And if black men do not want to get married. Take your young, childless, beautiful self over to some marriage minded non-black male. This is not rocket science. Women make it too easy for the top BMs

    Oh. I know! This is when you all say black men don’t marry black women because they’re all baby mommas and not deserving of marriage as if all BW have children. Then the ones who don’t have children have attitudes or they’re overweight.

    At least we agree on something.

    I don’t even know why I took the time to write that comment. Men like you like to see yourselves as victims. You’re worse than women who think themselves perpetual victims because you think women have no right to talk about being hurt because all of their problems are self-inflicted. If you think there are no true female victims in this country especially in black neighborhoods, you are out of your mind.

    There are female victims, just not many. I been tracking most of the stories that make it online. Alot these women do it to themselves. And get mad at future men who have nothing to do with her hell she created.

    Also your formatting of that comment was not so hot and visually distracting.

    My bad. Later.

  • Pseudonym

    Yes, who ARE these people who troll black women’s sites to be mean and nasty? Don’t you have anything else better to do with your life?

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