Dump the myth billboard

The holiday season is in full swing, and while folks are out decking the halls, secular group American Atheists is back with yet another controversial holiday billboard.

This year, the group funded a two-story Times Square billboard in New York City that urged passersby to “Keep the Merry” of Christmas, but “Dump the Myth” of Jesus Christ.

American Atheists raised $25,000 for the billboard, which will run through the entire Holiday season. And while some wonder why the group has taken a jab at Christianity, while excluding other religions that celebrate around this time of year, a spokesman for American Atheists told Fox News that’s it’s time people to celebrate Christmas without feeling pressured to believe in Christ.

“Most Christians are really atheists who feel trapped in their family’s religion,” David Silverman, American Atheists president, told Fox News. “They need not be Christian to enjoy the holiday season.

The group’s website gives more details:

“The true beauty of the season—family, friends, and love—have nothing to do with the gods of yesteryear.  Indeed, the season is far more enjoyable without the religious baggage of guilt and judgmentalism. Dump the myth and have a happy holiday season.”

Predictably, Christians aren’t too keen on the group’s billboard. The Catholic League, one of American Atheists biggest critics, have been outspoken about the billboard.

“This year it’s different,” Bill Donohue, the Catholic League spokesman, said. “This is vile. When you depict Jesus on the cross with a crown of thorns, this is exploitative. We as Christians never harass, intimidate or insult atheists. But they can’t seem to say, ‘We simply disagree with you.’ They have to insult us.”

While American Atheists have the right to share their views, it seems a bit disingenuous that they are critical of those want to incorporate their religious view into their holiday celebrations simply because they don’t.

What do you think of the billboard?  

Source: Times Square Atheist Billboard Says ‘Dump The Myth’ With A Picture Of Jesus Christ [Inquisitr]

  • Rue

    Well, it’s that time of year again!

  • http://gravatar.com/licier innyvinny

    “We as Christians never harass, intimidate or insult atheists.”

    O_O

    Controversy aside, I can’t believe someone actually said this…and meant it. Wow.

  • SAMURAI36

    For anyone to say that Christians never harrass, intimidate or insult anyone that is a non-Christian, is a flat out lie.

    But it’s good to see people waking up.

  • Sasha

    I am so glad to have my Catholic faith during this time of year. I absolutely respect Athiests and what they choose to believe or not to believe but I am growing increasingly disgusted and sick of Atheists constant disrespect of all religions but especially Christianity. You are well within your right to believe whatever you want however you diminish your message and credibility by attacking a religion/ system that has nothing to do with you.

    And to this quote, “Most Christians are really atheists who feel trapped in their family’s religion,” David Silverman, American Atheists president, told Fox News. “They need not be Christian to enjoy the holiday season.” I say this: No one is forcing you to convert or worship Jesus. You are free to celebrate Christmas but hey its called CHRISTmas for a reason. It may be a myth but there are facts as well. Some Atheists make me so damn sick sometimes. I am going close out of this window and finish hanging up CHRISTmas decorations and hope to put up my CHRISTmas tree tonight. Have fun with your billboard and false sense of self-righteousness.

  • http://gravatar.com/myblackfriendsays myblackfriendsays

    “We as Christians never harass, intimidate or insult atheists.”

    I interpreted that as him saying he personally doesn’t do that and neither do other members of the Catholic League–not Christians as a whole.

    I wholeheartedly support the atheist group’s right to put up the billboard. I also agree with Donohue that the use of the crucifixion imagery is insensitive. There are ways to disagree with people that increase the likelihood that your message will be well-received, and this billboard ain’t it.

  • Kam

    That’s a weird choice of photos for the billboard. So the myth of Santa Claus (or St. Nicholas) is okay but Jesus is not?

  • LemonNLime

    “We as Christians never harass, intimidate or insult atheists.”

    Well that is a straight up LIE. For centuries Christians have harassed or intimidated lots of different people so let’s not play the game.

    With that being said, if you are truly Christian then no billboard is going to waiver your belief. So forgive them and move on. That is what happens when you live in a country that supposedly values freedom of religion and speech.

  • Shell

    Christ was not born on or even near Dec 25

  • Hepburn3

    I have been insulted and harassed by atheists. It seems to happen on both sides which is just pathetic.
    I do not and never have pushed what I believe onto other people, I wish that they would do the same.
    To me this atheist group are just as annoying, sad and belligerent as the over zealous Christian fundamentalists.

  • Tkh

    It’s that time of year to pick on Christmas….. Lets see them do something like this during Ramadan………

  • Hepburn3

    Yes that is known, but it is a moot point.
    For example the Fourth of July is not actually the date when the United States of America became a nation, but that is the date that Americans celebrate.

  • Christina

    It’s flagrant disrespect to portray the most important and sensitive (even to the point of tears) symbol of ANY religion and then proclaim it as a myth on such a large platform. Yes there is a right to free speech, but this can be interpreted as hateful speech. I respect the right for everyone to believe what they believe in, but to dismiss and mock a symbol of what people perceive to be the most important thing in their life is hateful and arrogant. The whole message is arrogant and Mr. Silverman’s assumption that most Christians are closeted Atheists is also arrogant. Everything about this is complete disrespect and this is coming from someone who is liberal and not even religious!

  • mimi

    I honestly feel it is in bad taste to put these kind of billboards up.It is very intolerant of others’ beliefs, as opposed to simply promoting their own. One could argue that they are trying to “force ‘atheism’ down the publics throat”, or shame Christians as Christmas “forces” people to be Christian. Does Hanukkah force people to be jewish? Does Ramadan force people to be Muslim? Does Cinco de Mayo force people to be Mexican?
    The bottom line is this: People are people. There are going to be assholes on every side of the spectrum, Religious ones and non-religious ones. =/ Its a bad idea to hide your asshole-ish ways behind your religion or lack there of.

  • Treece

    YES to all of this! I was going to post a comment, but I read them first and I am 100% with yours. People need to quit the judgement and stop trying to make other people believe what they believe. Someone above said something about “waking up” to the truth, in support of the billboard. I’ve already awakened to MY truth and that is Jesus Christ. Let me live in Him as people let you choose to live in atheism. This billboard is insulting and demeaning. It’s also incorrect b/c the purpose of celebrating Christmas is to honor the birth of CHRIST. If you don’t like that, then make up another holiday for atheists in which you give gifts and sing carols and leave Christians be…..

  • http://gravatar.com/gennatay gennatay

    But Christians force their beliefs on society all the time. Look at the debate on same sex marriage.

  • Christina

    Two wrongs don’t make a right! Didn’t we learn this when we were 5?

  • mimi

    Dont paint everyone with broad strokes. You have gay christians leading their own churchs, You have pro-abortion christians ect. Also, not all atheist are pro-gay marriage.

    My point isnt that Christianity is “perfect”. My point is, they are doing the exact same thing that they claim they hate. Pots calling kettles black.

  • http://gravatar.com/gennatay gennatay

    @christina

    When did I insinuate that either side was right/wrong? You read too much into my comment and assumed.

    Ask first, didn’t we learn that when er were 5?

  • mimi

    Please dont paint everyone with broad strokes. While that is true, there are also many pro-gay marriage christians. Dont think that all atheist are pro-gay marriage, or even pro-abortion.

    The point of my post was not to say that Christianity is perfect, but the organization that put the billboard up are guilty of doing the exact same thing that they say Christianity does. Pots calling Kettles black.
    Intolerance is not okay on either side.

  • Christina

    Ok gennatay, so now I’ll ask. what was the point of your comment “but Christians force their beliefs on society all the time.” That comment implies that you’re stating-since Christians do it, Atheists can do it too.

  • Eh

    I don’t agree with the ad but will defend their right to have it up. I also had no problem with “The most dangerous place for an African American is in the womb” anti abortion ad either.

  • mimi

    k

  • B

    Christians are the only religious group allowed to be disrespected in a public space. Trust and believe if this was an anti muslim or anti jewish ad, all hell would break loose.

  • Enay

    Your ass is showing.

  • Hmmmmm

    Centuries ago RMMFE How are Christians in large numbers harassing anyone NOW? Are Christian nations forcing their religion onto their people with the threats of stoning and other acts of violence NOW? I’ll wait.

  • Sasha

    Thank you Kam!! They’re using Jesus to represent their myth but St. Nicholas, an overweight jolly ass (White) man who in one single night flew through the sky on a sleigh driven by reindeer, the lead reindeer donning a shiny nose, slinked down chimneys and delivered toys to every single boy and girl in the ENTIRE world….in a single night. Because thats not a myth at all and to believe otherwise is a direct insult to Atheists everywhere. This is the first time I’m using this phrase and surely will be the last but GET THE F*CK OUTTA HERE WITH THAT DAMN NOISE!

  • mimi

    @gennatay
    Don’t paint everyone in broad strokes,
    there are many pro-gay marriage christians. The point of my post was this: intolerance is never okay. The org. who posted the billboard are just like Christians who try to belittle and demoralize others who don’t share their beliefs.

  • Enay

    @Gennatay Forgive my ass comment, it was impulse. Christina was right on that one though. Please don’t deny it, you insult our intelligence.

    In terms of certain Christians forcing their beliefs on society, the key thing here is that it is a debate. Neither side is right in trying to force hate messages. If your cause is truthful, people will relate and they will flock to it. If it isn’t, well….-shrug-. This billboard is not the way. I feel like I did when those billboards targeted towards black people killing black babies went up. I felt unfairly targeted there just as I do now with this billboard.

  • http://gravatar.com/gennatay gennatay

    @christina

    Its stating a fact. Christians do force their beliefs on others, it is so widely based that we have to vote on people basic civil rights because of the belief of others.

    I am not saying one side is right or wrong for how they get their message out. What I took from the article and what my post was based on was: “We as Christians never harass, intimidate or insult” and mimi’s comment of: “One could argue that they are trying to “force ‘atheism’ down the publics throat” those two arguments really don’t have a leg to stand on.

    Also, can we please ever have a healthy debate on this site without the insults?

  • ok

    Not unless they want a letter bomb sent to their mail room and everyone from the media to the Prez saying oh well, you asked for it.

  • http://www.deemyselfandi.wordpress.com deemyselfandi

    All Christians don’t believe that same sex marriage is wrong. Homosexuality as a sin is a piece of the Law Of Abraham that trickled its way in to staying once those laws were done away with when Christ died. Its the difference between the New Testament and the Old. Its the same thing with certain animals/foods being impure. I just really wish we could all love thy neighbor.

  • EST. 1986

    I don’t believe the billboard to be a problem.

  • http://gravatar.com/gennatay gennatay

    I am not painting everyone in broad strokes. I know there are several pro gay Christians. Although I am not a Catholic Christian I am very spiritual and believe whole heartily in gay marriage. My comment was based on the context of the article which focuses on atheist and Christians.

  • Yb

    I just wanna know why the majority of atheist attack Christianity as there basis as why they don’t believe in God. I don’t follow Christianity, but am a theist, but have noticed that many atheists don’t even bother bringing up other religions when giving their reasoning for their beliefs. It’s like they see they religions occupied by browner people (i.e. Islam) not even worth bringing up or acknowledging.

  • Keepitreal

    Because everyone and their mama knows how some followers of the “religion of peace” would react.

  • Orange Starr Happy Hunting

    Pretty much!

  • Orange Starr Happy Hunting

    Yes, why is that? They don’t attack buddists or hindu’s or muslims or judaism etc etc etc

  • sbee3

    I think Jesus would be more outraged by poverty and treatment of the children and elderly. He’d probably bypass Times Square completely.

  • Orange Starr Happy Hunting

    @ Deemyselfandi, really, are you sure about that??? Something that directly goes against creation mmmmmmm

  • victoria

    I say that all the time. Actor Ricky Gervais, an atheist, posed on a magazine cover as Jesus promoting atheism, dogging Christians, yet still hosted The Academy Awards. Had he referred to Muslims, Jews, or Athiest he wouldnt have a career.

  • Orange Starr Happy Hunting

    @ deemyselfandi. really? Are you sure of that, something that directly goes against creation, something that other civilizations were destroyed for???? mmmmmm

  • http://valsotherblog.wordpress.com Val

    Not true. There have been anti-Muslim ads on the public transit systems in New York City and Washington, D.C.. And all hell didn’t break loose.

    nation.time.com/…/controversy-escalates-over-anti-islam-metro-ads/

    politix.topix.com/homepage/3715-9-11-anti-islam-ads-hit-nyc-subway

  • Orange Starr Happy Hunting

    They did not say Islam or Muslim or Muhammad, they said “savages” in that ad if I am remembering correctly.

  • mimi

    Sorry for the double posts! lol

  • Blue

    Christians do not force their beliefs on others. It is in the belief of spreading the gospel, if a person chooses to accept it or not, it’s on them. It may seem as if it’s being “forced” to those who don’t really follow the faith. They are more vocal about their faith & beliefs or anything that goes contrary to it. Freedom of religion, right?
    And people have been celebrating Christmas without Christ for years. If you’re going to try to open people’s minds, do it in a way that is open minded & not offensive to others. live & let live & don’t poke fun at things you may disagree with. Atheist are more arrogant than the religious. They should have used that $25,000 to give to charity to help those less fortunate have a “Merry” Christmas

  • http://gravatar.com/missinformation7 Ms. Information

    If they want to pay whatever thousands of dollars to spout their theories…let them, someone who practiced and truly believed Christianity would not be woefully offended.

  • http://gravatar.com/rena215 rena0215

    I do not have a problem with the signs, either. The freedom of speech provided by the First Amendment pretty much guarantees that sometimes people will make states we find to be personally offensive. It also means we have the right to make statements others may find personally offensive. *shrugs*

  • Just Me

    As an atheist, I definitely agree with the message, but I think it was very distasteful to disrespect someone else’s religion by including such a sacred image in their billboard. Being atheists, this group should know what it feels like to be mistreated for your beliefs, so it shocks me that they would chose to do this to another group. They could have gotten their message across without being jerks.

    But I guess the shock-value is the reason they did it in the first place, and it worked! I mean, thousands of people all over the country, including you and I, are seeing this billboard (on blogs, the news, etc) who otherwise wouldn’t have, because of the controversy it created. So apparently it’s working or this blog post wouldn’t exist.

    As for the guy who said Christians never harass or insult Atheists, that is complete BS. Atheists are talked about like we’re some kind of terrible immoral monsters who go around eating babies and kicking puppies for fun. We’re sometimes disowned by our Christian family members and friends when we “come out”. We’re often shunned, told we’re going to hell (which we don’t believe in, but it’s still a mean thing to say because of its intent). So whoever said Christians don’t insult or harass Atheists must be blind or in denial. Sure they don’t have billboards saying “you’re non-beliefs are stupid” because they don’t need to. Christians are the majority in this country. Atheists are a very small, numerically insignificant minority.

    That being said, two wrongs DON’T make a right. Just because we’ve been mistreated by others doesn’t mean we have to return that mistreatment. It does more harm than good. And in the end it just reinforces the negative stereotypes many religions already have about Atheists.

    So just like those crazy radical Christian groups with the “death to f*gs” signs, this Atheist group is just looking for attention any way they can get it. The more we give them, the more they’ll do it. Just ignore them and they’ll go away.

  • Starla

    I do not appreciate this billboard whatsoever. I am not a practising member of any religion. But how can they criticize Christmas when the very word has its root in the word Christ. Obviously Christmas will always be associated with Christ. Why didn’t they take the money and distribute it to the needy and express their love for the havenots? Useless people!

  • victoria

    Sorry Val, but that ad did not defame Muslims. It vilifies jihadists. For the people who associate Jihadists with Muslims they are in the wrong.

  • LemonNLime

    How many Christians have been pushing legislation to ban abortion or define life at conception because it goes against their religion.? How many Christian and churches have financed policies and legislation domestically and internationally to criminalize homosexuality, just because it goes against their religion? How many times has the Catholic church over-looked coups or liberal governments because the values didn’t support the beliefs and finances of the church. Get off your high-horse. You don’t have to stone someone to force your religion and beliefs on others.

  • EST. 1986

    It could be because Christianity is the dominant religion in America.

  • EST. 1986

    Maybe not you, but many Christians do. I mean, for goodness sakes, I can’t even log onto my Facebook account without having to see status updates from Christians promoting their faith.

  • Apple

    A lot of times extreme atheist and extreme Christians are cut from the same cloth. Both being hypocrital against hypocrisy . And I’m sick of the atheists whose single passion is to revile endlessly that which he denies the existence of in the first place is pointless …??

  • Overseas_Honeybee

    @ B “Christians are the only religious group allowed to be disrespected in a public space. Trust and believe if this was an anti muslim or anti jewish ad, all hell would break loose”

    Exactly! Let Allah be up on a billboard like that and best believe Times Square would be going up in flames and heads would be on a platter.

    As a Christian, I believe we’re disrespected outright because we’re divided among ourselves. Some of us believe this and some over here believe that. Preachers can’t be real because they’re too afraid of offending people. Resulting in “watered down” Bible stories that do nothing to explain salvation and what the requirements are to obtain it. There is no power in division and disorder. I truly respect Muslims because they are adamant about their beliefs and organized in what they do.

    Christmas is the celebration of the birth of Christ plain and simple. Chosing to celebrate without Christ is azz backwards. Like going to someone else’s birthday party and telling them to leave (their own party) …so you can eat up their food, drink their liquor and celebrate. FOOLISHNESS!

    Christmas is about Christ and no billboard will EVER convince me otherwise.

  • Joy

    What I want to know is with milions, and millions of christians, catholics, etc. in the world why are there still millions of homeless, and hungry people all over the world? Why are (some) people still suffering on a mass scale? For the life of me I can’t phantom why in the 21st century this fact hasn’t been cleared up. I’m not pointing at one church, or one person…..but billions of dollars are collected each week (collectively from churches, and other religious organizations all over the world) but yet the problem of homelessness, and people hungry…for eample in Africa). . My bigger point….some religious people practice christianlity on a ceremonial basis; but aren’t really doing any hands on things that really help people.I mean really how many sermons, and rosaries do people have to hear before they actually get out and do something. That’s the big problem I have with religious groups….a bunch of hypocrisy going on.

  • TR

    As others have noted you don’t see these kinds of things done regarding Islam. It reinforces the idea of that the threat of violence will make people thing twice. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world (in the States as well). Yet, Atheists steer clear of public rebukes of their religion. I wish they would change their names from “A-Theists” to “A-Christians.” That’s what they really are. Just be up front about it.

    Because they are scared of both the Jews and the Muslims. They are scared of the Jews due to their influence and the Muslims because they will set if off on them. And that’s proof that Christians really aren’t any kind of threat to Atheists at all. They are the biggest, non-threatening target.

  • http://tontonmichel.tumblr.com Tonton Michel

    “Christians do not dore their beliefs on others”
    That is a bold face lie.

  • http://www.geekmommarants GeekMommaRants

    Gee, really? I do not remember going through hell as a African American at the hands of Buddhists or Hindus, but Christianity, has been hell for African-Americans. Since our ancestors were brought here, maybe I’m wrong.

  • http://www.geekmommarants GeekMommaRants

    Buddihists and Hindus are not Klansmen.

  • dee

    I think it’s really dumb to put up all that money for people who aren’t going to change their minds anyways.

  • http://gravatar.com/nolakiss16 binks

    This! I’ am not offended personally if that is how they feel then that is how they feel…shrugs but I do agree with B who mention why does it seems like Christianity is their target? If you are truly atheist as they say why not go for broke and challenge everybody religious belief who celebrate around this time of year? And as an atheist would the beauty of ANY season be “family, friends and love… “so why solely focus on the “Holiday” season if you don’t believe in the holiday mantra…again “thou protests too much…” but whatever

  • http://eboniboykin.policymic.com/ eboni

    How is that guy in a position to say what “Most Christians” are. I am 99.9% sure he has not met most Christians. Just another jacka$$ making generalizations about people.

  • http://eboniboykin.policymic.com/ eboni

    This is exactly what I always say about Atheists who do stuff like this… if you were TRULY an Atheist then you would attack everyone’s religion- but the only one you ever hear them talking about is Christianity.

  • Ra

    it’s because they are working in a majority Christian country. European right-wing Christian groups put up Anti-Islamic propaganda there, that’s bullying…..This group’s target is the biggest fish that receives the least oppression but also has the most aggressive propaganda and protesting. Atheists in Jewish and Muslim countries protest against those religions there….unfortunately, many of those places are also not the most forgiving in terms of “free” speech. But, I wouldn’t call American Christianity non-threatening in terms of its power and reach

  • Amy

    What a lot of people don’t know about Islam is that Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet of Allah but not his son. So ads that depict Jesus in bad way are also shocking to Muslims too. Unfortunately even some Muslims don’t know that. We don’t celebrate Christmas but Jesus is a very important prophet in our faith. I’ve been attacked a couple of times by Atheists. It’s a shame because they ask you stuff about your religion and then start criticizing your beliefs. You have the right to be an atheist, I have the right to follow a religion. Let’s respect each other’s rights. “One person’s freedom ends where another’s begins.”

  • TT

    I think that’s false. I’ve heard plenty of religious state their thoughts and be disrespectful. It’s a two way street.

  • TT

    That’s a complete lie or just plain ignorance!

  • humans are exhausting!

    I didn’t realize so many people have encounter every Christian in the entire world! Look, they are a lot of people that are assholes and no amount of faith in a deity or lack off stops that. I empathize that you have not encounter a lot of people serious about their religion but to state but it doesn’t mean every Christians harass people. Humans made humans slaves and try to justify it. Humans kills humans and try to justify it.
    ‘oh well what about Christians pushing their faith of not having abortions and what nots and etc!’
    you realize that abortions to you is a decision made by the female involve that it’s not a actual baby yet so there is no actual killing , is your believe? Faith? So you pushing for pro-abortions is taken with the same take back as the anti-abortions. All they see is someone trying to excuse and rationalize their believe of good morals.
    everyone pushing everyone’s believes and faiths onto another! Its no
    Oh but Christians are evil harassers!
    And
    Atheists are the devil!!
    Its people being assholes.

    No one is complaining about the billboard, their complaining about the blatant disrespect of a person faith and their choose to believe in it. Cause even according to them, its not their choice to believe.

  • EST. 1986

    The same way when one says that they are not a believer, a Christian will say that ‘He’ exists whether that person believes or not, that they will ‘pray’ for that person, that person is going to go to Hell, and a bunch of other crap.

  • EST. 1986

    It’s also ‘dumb’ when Jehovah’s Witnesses walk around knocking on people’s door or passing out those fliers to people on the street.

  • Oh

    That must be why Muslim run nations are so tolerant to their Christian citizens.

  • Oh

    I love how everyone can come in here with the sacrastic Yeah right Christians don’t force their religions on others and get chuckles and high fives and yet when it’s mentioned that members and leaders of a certain religious group are currently FORCING as in slaughtering non believers it’s crickets time. As if proselytizing is the same as murder. GTFO with that double standard.

  • http://gravatar.com/libpatriot GeekMommaRants

    Oh, boo hoo, in the US? There is a world outside this country where culture and history bear no relation to this country. There are many in this country who want to invade, Syria, Iran and others cause they believe Jesus is Lord!

    The reason no one says anything about other faiths, well now, which community are you apart? The one whose ancestors were tortured and enslaved these folks are generally christian. A muslim did not kill Trayvon, right? How can you forget, whose else is christian? How?

  • http://gravatar.com/aedivine aedivine

    Yeah because the Muslim faith is just SO RESPECTED in America,right? LOL! yeah okay.

  • http://guulo.wordpress.com Guulo

    They have, check out http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-758697 also there are billboards urging Muslims to leave their faith, and others linking them to “savages” on Subways in NY and elsewhere, just to name a few examples of many. The important difference here in which I hope you see is that, Muslims are a minority in this country, a very vulnerable and vilified one at that, while Christians enjoy the majority religious affiliation in this society, that is a privilege, a protection that religious minorities don’t have and thus targeting minorities is far more dangerous in inciting hate and violence. As a Muslim myself, I wouldn’t have a problem with billboards targeting Islam in say Egypt, however one on Coptic Christians, a vulnerable religious group in that society on the other hand, I wound find that not only wrong, but quite dangerous. Thus “picking on groups” should not all be looked at equally, because that simply isn’t the case do to privileges certain groups enjoy over others depending on the context/society.

  • chinaza

    Hmmm- this very act contradicts their posture as “atheists” and strengthens the existence of God.
    Simply because it is not logical to try so hard to prove the unreality of a thing if one truly believes it to be unreal.
    Why don’t people launch similar campaigns against Santa Claus or the Easter bunny?
    After 2000+ years of opposition,Christ cannot be eroded from Christmas.
    May His peace fill their hearts.

  • LemonNLime

    No my complaint is this victimization that many Christians like to play. This —–> “We as Christians never harass, intimidate or insult atheists.” is a bold face lie.

    No where did I imply that ALL Christian harass people, but you all need to realize that just because you don’t doesn’t mean that there aren’t others who do. And stop with the “human did this, humans did that”. This discussion is about Christians and Atheist specifically, so if you can’t stick with the topic step out of the debate.

    And don’t compare my pro-choice stance with your anti-abortion stance. I am PRO-CHOICE. That doesn’t mean I am PRO-ABORTION. It means i believe that women have the right to decide what they do with their own bodies whether that be to obtain or never obtain abortion. People who are anti-abortion believe this choice should be taken from every women regardless of what they want to do with their own bodies. So once again you are still pushing your Judea-Christian beliefs on those who don’t follow or believe in them.

  • nona

    Well, it’s true. December 25th isn’t Jesus’ birthday, it was a way for Christians to co-opt the pagan winter solstice. But it’s better to get self-righteous about the lawwwwd, right?

  • http://clutchmagazine blcknnblvuu

    As a black atheist I believe is Jesus was alive he wouldn’t want to do anything with Christianity,any religion,as the matter of fact.he was characterized as a humanist,rather than a racist,bigots,slaves holder,bomb thrower or a greedy.

  • yumm

    Ding ding!

  • yumm

    On point!

  • yumm

    Your being extreme – this clearly not the view of all atheists.

  • beaboutnature

    Hmm.. It seems as everyone has forgotten the christian crusades? It was a time where they didn’t just harass you, but they killed you if you did not convert to “christianity”. I believe the billboard is valid for wanting to dump the jesus myth. There were many stories regarding the concept of jesus and virgin birth well before the origin of christianity. Just check Horus the son of god Osiris who was born to a virgin. I think it was well before 1200 bc. I am not atheist nor christian, and I definitely get harassed and insulted often for not believing what other religions believe, however, my experience with christians has been the worst.

    What’s up with wanting to keep the santa claus myth alive? We build our children with a foundation of lies. I believe kids can enjoy a fantasy world without lies.

    Maybe 1000 yrs from now there will be another religion that the majority of people embrace, however, it won’t make it anymore more valid than christianity.

  • TT

    No one celebrates CHRISTmas anymore because of Christianity. It’s all about the gifts etc. I constantly see religious symbols in everyday life and religious people have that right but don’t get on atheists for stating their beliefs when Christians and others do so in everyday life. And laws are made that discriminate against people because of what a religious text says. I think that’s disrespectful. My reason for not believing in all religions is that I don’t want something to mandate what I should and shouldn’t believe. I’m sick of being told by Christians that I’m going to hell because I don’t believe in God. The disrespect comes from both sides. I think people can have logical debates about why they choose to believe or not believe in God.

  • http://www.twitter.com/queenyeshi ETERNAL TRUTH

    There is a big big difference between being a “Born Again” follower of the THE ANOINTED KING who many for centuries ignorantly call jesus and associate HIM with the pagan religion of christianiy and being a “christian”. Sadly many who read this comment will see this as foreign like they are reading another language. Even though these atheist did what they did in their ignorance to add insult there is actually lots of hidden truth to this. jesus is indeed a myth because that’s not HIS name HE was never a christian HE was and still is a Hebrew Yisraelite. That was mans doing that has since distorted and convoluted the legacy HE left behind with HIS 12 original followers even down to spreading lies of HIS physical identity which ironically can be cleared up if one simply reads and study the scriptures. I don’t know who that dude is they call jesus but HE surely wasn’t the one who actually died for the sins of the world. No one really knows HIM or the pureness of HIS teachings which has since become contaminated by religious excess which is very unfortunate!!!

  • Phoenix

    This is an interesting supposition, as true Biblical Christianity is not the majority religion here. America is modern day Babylon with a “Judeo-Christian” mask… People fighting wars because “God told me so” don’t qualify who the god is…. and we don’t really know. This question is tricky… I do think people need to grow thicker skin… I’d imagine that an atheist is just as offended by Christian- “Believe in God/Christ more specifically, or you’ll burn in Hell”/Christian superiority complexes (or that of whatever religious group to be honest) as we are with this billboard, the alpha fish with legs or any other atheistic/agnostic statements. My point is, lots of HORRID things have been done in the name of Christ and were fronts for racism, sexism, and classism (Crusades, Jim Crow, slavery) in the past and in present day. We’re horrible to each other-Theist or Atheist (lets not forget about Communist Christian torture either)

  • Jointarms

    Jesus Christ is a fable. It is guise to create Empires. However, if you are not seating at the table, you shall be the slave who cleans up after. A fable is a succinct fictional story, in prose or verse, that features animals, mythical creatures, plants, inanimate objects or forces of nature which are anthropomorphized (given human qualities such as verbal communication), and that illustrates or leads to an interpretation of a moral lesson (a “moral”), which may at the end be added explicitly in a pithy maxim.
    1. Establish the correlation between the Vatican, London and Washington. What binds these three states to the Old Guard or shall I say Roman Empire?
    2. Determine the correlation of these three states to the Barbarians who conquered the Roman Empire.
    The barbarians were people from central and northern Europe. In the 5th century they invaded the declining Roman Empire and they gradually carved it up between them.
    During the second and third centuries barbarian invaders sought mainly plunder. Compared to the civilized Romans the Germanic peoples were mostly very poor, and were eager for more material wealth (consumer products).
    In December 406 AD a group of Germanic tribes entered Gaul and settled there. They took advantage of periods of Roman weakness to invade to get it. When Roman troops were diverted to the east in the 160s, the barbarian Marcomanni invaded as far as Italy. Another barbarian group, the Costobocci, got as far as Greece where they plundered a temple. The Romans were unable to stop them. Nevertheless at first the Germanic settlers accepted Roman rule (sound familiar?). However as the Roman Empire broke down they gradually formed independent kingdoms.
    Loot also was the clear motivation for third century Gothic incursions. Arriving by land and sea (again due to Roman weakness as Decius’s army fought Gallus at Verona leaving the Danube front undefended) the Goths ravaged the Balkans and Asia Minor. The Franks attacked Gaul and Spain.
    When Decius confronted the Goths in 251 they were laden with plunder. In the fourth and fifth centuries the barbarians had another motivation–fleeing the Huns. Finally toward the end the barbarian goal was permanent settlement on Roman territory under their Kings.
    Barbarians in France
    By about 500 AD barbarians called the Franks ruled northern France (they gave their name to France or Colonization). From 481 to 511 a man called Clovis ruled them. He converted to [Christianity] and his people [followed]. Once they shared the [same religion] there was less difference between the Franks and the native Romano-Gallic people (similar inference could be drawn from how America came to be under Christianity or believe in Christ). Slowly the two intermarried and their cultures merged.
    Barbarians in Spain
    By the beginning of the 5th century the Roman Empire was crumbling and barbarians invaded. In 409 AD Alans, Sueves and Vandals crossed the Pyrenees and occupied most of Spain.
    However another Germanic people, the Visigoths became allies of the Romans. In 416-418 they invaded Spain. They defeated the Alans but then withdrew into France. The Vandals then absorbed the remaining Alans but in 429 they crossed to North Africa leaving Spain to the Sueves.
    However the Visigoth king Theoderic II (453-466) led an army into Spain and in 456 he crushed the Sueves in battle. Most of Spain came under the rule of the Visigoths.
    After 409 one small part of Northeast Spain was left under Roman control. However in 476 the Visigoths took it over.
    Under the Visigoths the old Roman towns continued to decline and their populations fell. On the other hand in 587 King Reccared became a Catholic and in 654 King Recceswinth made a single code of law for his kingdom.
    In the 7th century the Visigoths also persecuted Jews. (There were many Jews in Spain from the time of the Romans onwards).
    However at the beginning of the 8th century the Visigoth realm was destroyed by a [Muslim invasion]. In 711 an army of Berbers from North Africa, led by Arabs crossed to Spain and they utterly defeated the Visigoths at the Barbate River on 19 July 711.
    Barbarians in England
    Meanwhile the Saxons began raiding England in the 3rd century. However as the Roman Empire collapsed they turned to conquest.
    By the 5th century the Romano-Celts had broken up into separate kingdoms but a single leader called the Superbus tyrannus had emerged. At that time and possibly earlier they were hiring Germanic peoples as mercenaries. According to tradition the Superbus tyrannus brought Jutes to protect his realm from Scots (from Northern Ireland) and Picts (from Scotland). He installed the Jutish leader, Hengist, as king of Kent. In return the Jutes were supposed to protect Britain.
    However the Jutes and the Romano-Celts fell out. They fought a battle and the Jutes won a decisive victory. As a result the Celts were unable to dislodge the Jutes.
    The Saxons landed in Sussex in 477. At any rate the Celts resisted them bitterly but after about 15 years the Saxons had conquered all of Sussex.
    Meanwhile more Jutes landed in eastern Hampshire and the Isle of Wight. Furthermore Saxons landed in western Hampshire. They founded the kingdom of Wessex.
    Then in the late 5th century a great leader arose among the Celts. We know him as Arthur. He won the battle of Mount Badon, about 500 AD. The Saxons were crushed and their advance was halted for decades.
    Meanwhile in the early 6th century the West Saxons, of western Hampshire, annexed the Jutes of eastern Hampshire. About 530 they also took over the Isle of Wight. Then in 552 the West Saxons won a great victory somewhere near modern Salisbury and they captured Wiltshire. In 577 they captured Bath, Cirencester and Gloucester.
    Meanwhile in the mid-6th century other Saxons invaded Essex. (The kingdom of the East Saxons). A people called the Angles landed in East Anglia. They gave England its name (Angle land).
    By the late 6th century all of eastern England was in the hands of Angles and Saxons. In 656 the Saxons captured the west Midlands.
    Further South in 664 the Saxons captured Dorset. By the early 8th century the Saxons occupied all of Devon and Somerset.
    Pope Gregory the Great was keen to convert the [Anglo-Saxons] to [Christianity]. In 596 he sent a party of about 40 men led by Augustine to Kent. They arrived in 597 and soon Kent was converted.
    In the 7th Century England was divided into different kingdoms but Christianity gradually spread across them and by the end of the 7th century all of England was at least nominally Christian.

  • Witty

    “And laws are made that discriminate against people because of what a religious text says. I think that’s disrespectful.”

    So thou shall not kill is disrespectful?
    and your husband or wife cheating on you is okay right?

  • Nakia

    I believe that this is a little of the “it’s ok to make fun of white people but not Black people” meme. Christians are the majority in this country and are also the ‘religion of power’, particularly politically, if not financially. You risk no physically aggressive attack for being Christian in America, nor any disenfranchisement. US presidents are Christians and are generally expected to be. I think folks just don’t feel the same need to protect Christians from attack. I’m not saying it’s right, but the most probable reason.

  • SAMURAI36

    @BINKS:

    Because, by definition, an “atheist” (re: not theistic) is someone that questions the Theistic religions, i.e. Judaism, Christianity, & Islam. Those are the 3 main religions that believe in a theistic representation of a Creator.

    Most other religion (ex: Hinduism, Spiritual beliefs, etc) are Deistic, & not Theistic.

  • SAMURAI36

    @B:

    It’s called “Karma”… But wait, as a Christian, you don’t believe in that, do you?

    Christians have been disrespecting other beliefs as well as other believers for centuries. Last I checked, don’t Christians believe that anyone that is not a Christian is “going to hell?

    If so, then the disrespect is built into the very fabric of the beliefs.

  • Marques Moreira

    For those of us who buried the Jesus myth long ago, this ad is not controversial. The Jesus story has been around so long it’s not even necessary to promote it. Popularity does not prove validity and, in my view, people should step back and analyze the evidence (or lack thereof) when thinking about a story that most people have never bothered to research. Christianity in general is generally protected in this country and one little billboard cannot begin to compete with the multi-billion dollar religion industry. that has a stake in keeping people indoctrinated with this story.

  • SAMURAI36

    @Witty:

    Since when do we need a book to tell us the most basic life principles, like the Golden rule, or not to kill & steal? People live their entire lives by these principles everyday, & don’t believe in religion whatsoever.

    Besides, if you actually read your Bible, you’d know that it constantly contradicts itself with these “values”… So much murder, rape, theft, etc was committed not only in the name of God in the Bible, but also by God himself.

    You’ll pardon me if I don’t subscribe to such a hypocritical & schizophrenic Deity.

  • JaeBee

    But, if you’re someone who doesn’t believe in the concept of “hell” then why would it matter? I’d think it’d be a moot point. I don’t believe in unicorns, so if someone told me that I’d be killed by a unicorn if I didn’t adhere to their religious beliefs I wouldn’t care in the least.

  • maría

    “There is a plan of global preaching that will state, using human reasoning and scientific evaluation, that God cannot exist, that He is just a figment of man’s imagination. This preaching is no accident for it is a well-planned and co-ordinated campaign, plotted by these atheists, whose allegiance is to the evil one, to turn the hearts of people to stone just as their own hearts are cold and unloving. Then a new substitute religion will be introduced into law”

    Jesus
    Thewarningsecondcoming com

  • SAMURAI36

    @JaeBee:

    I don’t think you are following that path of logic thru to completion.

    It was that same mindset that sparked the Inquisition & The Crusades & Slavery & numerous other heinous acts.

    If you are in a position to oppress others, especially those whom you view as “hell-bound heathens”, there is no reason whatsoever to treat them humanely.

    Both the Bible & the Qur’an blatantly state to kill non-believers.

    Last I checked, people who believe in unicorns don’t feel that way about people who don’t. :-\

  • SAMURAI36

    Wow, listen to this non-sense…

    Anything to thwart the scrutiny of your silly, outrageous religion, & to circumvent any rational, intellectual discussion about religion as a whole.

    Anyone that questions the Christian beliefs”serves the evil ones”…..

    Thank you for proving my point from earlier.

  • Right.

    My question is what do people expect? They believe that god is a myth, and many out there do. just like Buddhist don’t believe in Jesus/God or Hindu’s. What else are they going to say? They can spread the message about being good because believe it or not that is the basis of agnostics that you should be a good person regardless of what you believe in.

    I personally don’t care, they have a right to spread their beliefs just as much as Christians have the right to tell me to “give it god” and “have a blessed day” when I don’t believe in their god. No matter what you do, they have some followup to how Jesus can fix it. I let it slide because that’s all they know and i’m not here to preach my beliefs. I believe in a higher power but I def don’t believe in a White Faced Jesus that owners pushed on us as a race. But that’s my belief but if I dare say anything that challenges them I’m being rude. It’s a two way street.

  • Right.

    Because people realized that the easter bunny and santa are not logical either, if you get a person and raise them to only believe in the easter bunny as much as you believe in god trust me they will be conditioned to believe so until it’s proven otherwise. There are people in the world who have never ever heard of jesus, or christmas, or anything else along that line. It makes sense. So if for practical purposes God has reigned in society and been a means to run entire countries, communities, you can make money from it, you can sway peoples judgement, and a means on control then why would anybody on top who’s benefitting from it’s perks try to discredit it when they have everybody believing exactly what they want, exactly what people 100 years ago wanted when this was the best way to control people?

  • http://twitter.com/0oIAMSHEo0 IAMSHE (@0oIAMSHEo0)

    All I can say is, I will protect anyone’s right to believe and testify to whatever they want so long as the only person that those beliefs will harm is themselves. Free speech for ALL (not just those you agree with).

    Lastly, who in their right mind could lie like that as easily as Bill Donohue? He’s knows that’s a lie, right? RIGHT?

  • Liz

    People need people to tell them that something is okay in order for them to feel okay with it to. From birth Christians program their children with the same guilt and fear that they were programmed with as a child. I know a lot of people who don’t truly believe in Christianity but they are still too scared to completely reject the idea based on the fear that they have carried with them from childhood. It is sad and I think this billboard and the message that the creators of this billboard have is a good thing. Dump the guilt, fear and judgement and enjoy life and enjoy the holiday season. YOU HAVE PERMISSION.

  • NAME WITHHELD

    I’m an Atheist but think the American Atheist group went overboard with this. Kinda uncalled for. Maybe they just did it for Shock Value!?

    Granted, not ALL Christians and religious people force their religions unto others but SOME, heck a LOT OF them try to convert you. Jehova’s Witnesses knocking, uninvited, at your door, family members trying to convert you and telling you that you’re going if you don’t accept Christ or Mohamed, etc.

    Come on, can we just live and go about our lives without this constant harassment!?

  • http://www.facebook.com/saidahwk Ali Wilson

    I’m an atheist and I approved this message! Personally, I’ve issues with Christians shoving horrific portrayals of Roman torture down my throat all damn year long. You don’t see me whining about it. Frankly, telling Christians that Jesus is a myth is like telling kids there is no Santa Claus; you’re not going to get brownie points for it, but at the end of the day, who cares? They were going to figure out eventually. At some point, every kid catches his parents wrapping his Christmas presents, and every Christian realizes that no one has ever been healed of an amputated limb. Whatever.

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