Jada Pinkett-Smith has published a series of deep and provocative pieces on her Facebook page, and the latest focuses on men and women in relationships. The actress doles out wisdom and insight as she tackles heavy issues like domestic violence, objectification, materialism and gender inequality. Here’s the post in its entirety:

The war on men through the degradation of woman.

How is man to recognize his full self, his full power through the eye’s of an incomplete woman? The woman who has been stripped of Goddess recognition and diminished to a big ass and full breast for physical comfort only. The woman who has been silenced so she may forget her spiritual essence because her words stir too much thought outside of the pleasure space. The woman who has been diminished to covering all that rots inside of her with weaves and red bottom shoes.

I am sure the men, who restructured our societies from cultures that honored woman, had no idea of the outcome. They had no idea that eventually, even men would render themselves empty and longing for meaning, depth and connection. There is a deep sadness when I witness a man that can’t recognize the emptiness he feels when he objectifies himself as a bank and truly believes he can buy love with things and status. It is painful to witness the betrayal when a woman takes him up on that offer. He doesn’t recognize that the create of a half woman has contributed to his repressed anger and frustration of feeling he is not enough. He then may love no woman or keep many half women as his prize. He doesn’t recognize that it’s his submersion in the imbalanced warrior culture, where violence is the means of getting respect and power, as the reason he can break the face of the woman who bore him four children.

When woman is lost, so is man. The truth is, woman is the window to a man’s heart and a man’s heart is the gateway to his soul.

Power and control will NEVER out weigh love.

May we all find our way.
J

What do you think of Jada Pinkett-Smith’s powerful blog post? Do you agree with her stance on relationships? Is there a war on men through the degradation of women?

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  • Chillyroad

    I’m very uncomfortable with the idea that a man can only find his true worth through preserving women. What if he is gay? That letter is just all kinds of weird.

  • http://gravatar.com/ravsmith78 Ravi

    seems to be more of a war on women through the degradation of women, but I guess I see where she is coming from

  • Margaret Cooley

    I see where she’s coming from. What came first – the chicken or the egg? The result is probably the same…Our men and women are suffering from loss of identity.

  • emjay

    I like her writing style because it is very descriptive and she also has a very interesting point of view. She should do like a series of essays or something.

  • http://deemyselfandi.wordpress.com DeeMyselfAndI

    Jada brings up some very good and valid points. I agree with her, but her delivery reads like it’s intended for an educated audience. Not to say that these descriptions solely belong to the uneducated, but most of them do. If change is what we’re striving for then there needs to be a different platform for this conversation. A different way of getting through to the offenders to change their behavior.

  • Barbara

    As if the degradation of women in and of itself is not horrific enough, oh no, no, no, let’s make it about the supposed war on men. Heaven forbid a conversation on the degrading of women focus on…….women.

  • Jaslene

    Anyone else find it interesting how on her place card it says Ms. and not Mrs. Thought that was neat.

  • http://www.gallimaufry.ws T.

    Yeah, I’m figuring that she’s trying to point out how the sexist, patriarchal, racist and misogynistic elements in our culture, and the way they pull women down, are damaging for men as well as for women.

    However, her phrasing makes it seems a bit like a woman’s completeness is just a means for man to recognize his full self, rather than an end in itself for the woman, i.e. as a way for the woman to recognize *her* full self. Like women are only instruments for men’s fulfillment.

    Still, I have enough respect for Ms. Pinkett Smith’s intelligence to give her the benefit of the doubt and to assume that she probably didn’t mean her words to be read this way. She could have phrased her ideas a little better, though.

  • Trinity

    I am “nodding my head” in agreement to Ms. Jada’s very profound statements. It is the truth arising from traditional teachings in which present-day society has veered away from. Somewhere down the line, women began to need men more than a man needed a woman. Once this happened, standards were compromised, less was expected; therefore, the man did less in essence they became lost. Some women decided to suppress their inner Goddess and beliefs, and allow the outer appearance to take precedence. The woman does set the stage. So I can see in which aspect J is coming from. These are some pointers for women to think about.

  • http://gabandgraffiti.wordpress.com marloweovershakespeare

    From this post to another on a different article you are making me CHUCKLE! I appreciate it:-)

  • http://gabandgraffiti.wordpress.com marloweovershakespeare

    I didn’t think it was neat as much as disturbing IMO.

  • http://gravatar.com/ravsmith78 Ravi

    I got what she was saying. It’s just problematic to frame the daily assault waged against women as being war waged against someone that the degradation isn’t directed at and is somewhat complicit in the degradation. I get that we are all connected and I am affected by what impacts my sistas. If she wanted to convey that concept, she could have simply stated that the war on women also is a war on men.

  • http://www.gallimaufry.ws T.

    Why do you find it disturbing?

  • http://www.gallimaufry.ws T.

    Agreed.

  • Blue

    By reading the title of the article, I thought it was about the degrading of women in the media…anyways

    I don’t get it. From reading her letter about a lost woman & a lost man..I feel you are only what you attract.So how about you find yourself & know your self worth before you think about getting with anyone. Beautifully written though…

  • http://valsotherblog.wordpress.com Val

    Weird logic from Jada. I think she is trying to be provocative for the sake of being provocative.

  • Chillyroad

    It sounds like it was written by one of Erykah Badu’s head wraps.

  • http://gravatar.com/libpatriot GeekMommaRants

    Some men really do believe that their peace and joy come from women. Personally, I think this idea transfers all responsibility from men to women, which is why I shy away from this belief. Love is love and not an legal obligation between a couple.

  • Trinity

    Hmm..that is true! you are only what you attract…if you are lost, then you will attract a lost person. Same for well-rounded holistic people, once they attract the same – a powercouple is created.

  • meme

    LOL, u just wrote the comment of the day!

  • LemonNLime

    Is anyone else uncomfortable when people start speaking or people in terms of deities or royalty? By that I mean all of the this language of “gods and goddess” or even “kings and queen”. Considering, royalty and deities are often considered infallible using terms like this places one on a pedestal and when you are that high up and it is a long way down. That and it sounds stupid and arrogant.

  • LemonNLime

    Woof, excuse the typos in that one.

  • kwazigirl

    i’m sort of confused w/her train of thought here…women are powerful with the same capacity of spirtitual hieghts as men and should be honored yes but I think the onus of responsibility is on the men …I believe women are messed up cuz men arent being men… like it or not but women seek security and degrade themselves based on what men say and the men are being “feminine” because instead of establishing a culture they’re receiving and reproducing a culture that is destructive to us. without leadership from divine guidance men are screwed and women try to either settle for or reject the screwed up men…either way were lost as a community.

    it was adams garden, he was supposed to follow Gods laws and protect and inform Eve. but noooo..he listening to the devils suggestions and played himself…he was supposed to say yo Devil fawk off I know better, but he didnt so they both suffered…during war they always spare women and children cuz kids follow mommy and momma follow the men in power…men get murdered enslaved and or castrated

  • http://gravatar.com/perspectiveofreal The Real Perspective

    Dropping the “S” was probably to save space on the card. I don’t think there was anything significant about that.

  • paul

    This is the kind of mumbo jumbo you get when “actors” write their own lines.

    smh

  • http://gravatar.com/libpatriot GeekMommaRants

    LOL!

  • Chandra

    I can’t get past the fact that this is coming from a woman who participates in an open marriage. How does that empower either men or women? How does that not contribute to the very dynamic she is decrying?

  • victoria

    funny and true

  • Liz (from the best city on planet earth, NYC)

    Hee-larious!

  • Joy

    Great commentary Jada

  • http://gravatar.com/jamesfrmphilly jamesfrmphilly

    black people are made in the likeness of god….why not call out that higher angel?

  • EST. 1986

    No true.

  • The Other Jess

    WOWO Jada, what a way to blame women for the mistakes of men! Ridiculous fluff. So it’s womens faults that some man would “can break the face of the woman who bore him four children”??? Hollywood should keep doing what it does best – acting. Jada should have 2 seats – sit the f*ck down and leave the deep thoughts to true thinkers, not wannabe actresses. WTH??

  • The Other Jess

    In light of all going on with Jovan Belcher and his terroristic crime against Kasandra Perkins, Jada need to shut this drivel up! What a f*cking idiot.

    I used to like her, but this mumbo jumbo right here has ended all of that. Just because she was a willing crackhead and possibly deserved whatever ill treatment she received from men doesn’t mean most women are responsible for the ill treatment and degradation they receive in society and by men.

    Jada, take the bad facelift and unnatural cheekbones elsewhere please.

  • paul

    @Chillyroad

    co-sign

    LMAO!

  • Anthony

    That was funny! I also agree that this goddess stuff is a bit much. I would be very happy with us just accepting each other as people.

  • Anthony

    The “funny bit was referring to Erykah Badu’s head wrap comment.

  • Ms.Jackson

    but I hear so many men referring to a woman as a goddess. Just curious, does it depend on how she looks?

  • Perspective

    SMDH!!!!

    “Power and control will NEVER out weigh love.”

    Has she looked at the black community lately? Unreal – Here was go again with the NUTS AND BERRIES SPIRITUAL ASPECT – and then we wonder why black men don’t CONTROL anything in their own community and can’t make the connection between out socio-economic condition and our OTHER PROBLEMS.

    What she is saying SOUNDS NICE! but the truth of the matter is this DUMBING DOWN/ SOFTENING UP BLACK MEN – as if either patriarchy, or male dominance – IN A WORLD DOMINATED BY OTHER RACES OF MEN – is the problem – when WE ARE IN LAST PLACE – as a result of weak men – and women who continue to live in the damn clouds as SPIRITUAL EARTH MOTHERS, is the true root of the problem.

    Please tell me what does LOVE BUILD?!

    Does Love keep the lights on?
    Does Love Protect a community from the hostile advances of other communities?
    Does Love create opportunities so that people have jobs to walk into and can actually PHYSICALLY PRESERVE THEIR WAY OF LIFE?!

    Hell no it does. Love can’t put a roof over anyone head – but we got sistas out here promoting this NONE SENSE – and then 5 minutes later want to complain about all the provisions that OTHER RACES OF WOMEN ARE GETTING (namely white women!) and can’t understand that her AFROCENTRIC, SPOKEN WORD RECITING, KENTE CLOTH WEARING, NUBIAN PRINCESS TALKIN BLACK MAN – is in not position physically or MENTALLY to go up against the JP MORGANS and Rothschild dynasties of the world.

    I’m convinced black people are stupid!

    Magic, Religion, and Spiritually.

    SMDH – The black community was thriving when there were jobs. They didn’t remove the African Mask out of your house, they didn’t remove the churches out of the community, they didn’t remove your favorite gym shorts! THEY REMOVED THE MONEY!

    And this TALK that Jada Pinkett is talking is exactly why we have so many broke black men in the black community right now – who aren’t in a position to do a GOTDAMN THING FOR BLACK WOMEN – but you all complain about what you aren’t getting.

    YOU CANNOT HAVE YOUR CAKE AND EAT IT TOO – you can’t have weak passive – men who believe in all this dumb spiritual stuff – and SEE YOU AS A 100% EQUAL – and then have this IMPULSE in them to go up against other races of men who don’t play that ish!

    I swear to God – I just need to walk away – because I CANNOT believe the DUMB STUFF BLACK WOMEN PROMOTE. It would be more comfortable to say – “OH its the black man and the black woman – hence the problems in the black community,” but it’s really not – all you have to do is GIVE BLACK WOMEN THEIR SOAP BOX – and they will demonstrate – HOW MUCH THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT POWER, AND HOW THE WORLD WORKS.

    What do I fault black men for – I fault many of us for being STUPID ENOUGH – to all black women in the GOTDAMN DRIVER SEAT when it comes to FAMILY AND COMMUNITY ISSUES, and in order to prevent that from happening black men MUST be their woman financial superior – and they MUST control the economic landscape in the community! MEANING – they get their jobs FROM US!!!!!! Not the white man, or any other race of man.

    But I already know AT THIS POINT – its a lost cause because if THIS is the mentality that black boys are being raised with by MOTHERS who think like JADA PINKETT – You can forget about those boys having the “KILLER INSTINCT” to go up against other races of men – or even kick them out of our own communities while THEY extract resources OUT of the BC and bring it back to their own.

    You all get these ILLUSIONS of power and you are just RETARDED – STRAIGHT UP RETARDED. Men with power to you AUTOMATICALLY = ABUSE – and you all aren’t willing to accept the COST that comes with having WEAK MEN – WHO YOU TRAINED TO BE WEAK FROM CONCEPTION. While white boys are going to Harvard – learning how to CONTROL – and be the EMPLOYEER – not the EMPLOYEE – black women are reinforcing – NUTS AND BERRIES, EARTH MOTHER STATUS, WOMEN ARE EQUAL, AFRICAN KING MAGIC – into their sons. SMDH

    Then you all wonder why – BLACK MEN JUST WON’T DO – and why the community looks the way that it looks.

    The men who have their heads on straight – are left to NOTHING – because many of you all aren’t even willing to cooperate with a black male power structure even if one was established because you RESENT male power so much.

    Like I said, in this NEW MAGICAL community that you all want to have – I SURE AS HELL HOPE YOU DON’T NEED ANY COMMUNITY MAINTENANCE, BUSINESSES BEING BUILD, OR OVER INFRASTRUCTURE TO BE ESTABLISHED.

    Unreal – its a damn shame the black women have become this blind!

    PS – Don’t even get me started on the black woman is a GODDESS STUFF.

  • Perspective

    “I think the onus of responsibility is on the men …I believe women are messed up cuz men arent being men… ”

    You are correct about the first part – but WRONG ABOUT THE SECOND PART.

    Think about what is being said here – This is the point I’ve BEEN trying to make.

    Men are to be responsible because WOMEN ARE “BETTER” = “GODDESS”

    Wrong

    Men are responsible because they CONTROL what they are responsible for – THEY are accountable for it.

    Once the woman says – I am you equal or I won’t follow your lead even though you are the one ultimately held accountable – what is the INCENTIVE for men to be responsible?

    If you are a GODDESS then that means that YOU RUN IT AND YOU CONTROL IT – which means that WOMEN – at this stage should bear the onus of responsibility – but THEY DO NOT.

    Not to say that we don’t have men out here who simply refuse to be responsible – but you all keep thinking that MOST of the irresponsible men out here are irresponsible JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE IRRESPONSIBLE rather than REJECTING – the CONDITIONS under which they are expected to be RESPONSIBLE – which is FEMALE LEADERSHIP – i.e. “Her GODDESS STATUS!”

    Talk about arrogance! Men are supposed to do for you simply because YOU ARE WOMEN?!

    Yea – you all can KISS BLACK MEN’S BEHINDS ON THAT ONE!

  • Perspective

    I’m still trying to figure out what HITTING WOMEN – and men being in a position of power – controlling the economic landscape of their communities has to do with one another?

    Is this FEMALE LOGIC AGAIN?

    Ok I’m starting to see D.L. Hughley’s point

  • Perspective

    I see I have someone who pays attention and can actually COMPREHEND!

  • Perspective

    lmaoooooooooooo!!!!

    (on the floor!)

    Exactly – And this is what black women are going up against white supremacy and the economic problems in the community with?

    And then you all wonder why I say – women have no business directing things at the COMMUNITY LEVEL or in a HOME!

    If this is what black boys are being taught by their single “MAGICAL MOTHERS”

    Then is should be NO WONDER THE BLACK COMMUNITY LOOKS THE WAY IT DOES.

  • Perspective

    SMDH – like I said, this is not about EQUALITY – this is a hostile take over!

    “Her inner Goddess!”

  • Perspective

    Go into your study. Open up the filing cabinet that labeled – “Because she’s out of her mind” – File it – and close the drawer. Then walk away.

    Its called – female inconsistency. Welcome to the world of men.

  • P

    This is exactly what I support. Not interested in a man who tends to possess lackadaisical skills because they have such a strong –willed woman or the woman with the drive/intellect to make it happen. Some men and women become less productive because the other is so motivated. This is why Will and Jada are both lucky. I don’t think a lot of women today want the men to build things and hand it over. I guess I can speak for my circle; we’re more interested in building together and if it falls apart, put it back together again. We’re too independent while at the same time, don’t give out handouts, and don’t expect anyone else to. I do agree. It is hard to run across this combination nowadays. If it’s not the man, then it is the woman or vice versa in which is not doing their part. Further confirmation of why we must choose wisely.

  • Perspective

    Throw the computer across the room!

  • Perspective

    “I am “nodding my head” in agreement to Ms. Jada’s very profound statements. It is the truth arising from traditional teachings in which present-day society has veered away from. Somewhere down the line, women began to need men more than a man needed a woman.

    [Yes because you know black men needed women in prehistoric time for their SPIRITUAL WISDOM and spiritual antenna that black men don't have that was in tune with mother nature! Man whatever these women are smoking, I gotta try that it. Coming to a college campus near you! Mary Jane!? Ninja Please – what you know about BLACK MOTHER EARTH!]

    Once this happened, standards were compromised, less was expected; therefore, the man did less in essence they became lost. [WHERE IS THIS CONNECTION COMING FROM? WHAT?!] Some women decided to suppress their inner Goddess and beliefs, and allow the outer appearance to take precedence. [WTF?!] The woman does set the stage. So I can see in which aspect J is coming from. These are some pointers for women to think about.” ~ Trinity

  • Perspective

    Yes, Ms. Jackson – because you know when white men call their women PUMPKIN – rather than a simple compliment – they LITERALLY MEAN “SHE’S A PUMPKIN!”

    falls out!!!!!

  • Ms.Jackson

    Well you cleared that up! No in between thoughts left with that comment. .lol!

  • Trinity

    Yes that was me. ~ Trinity

    Pretty much, as long as a woman has a man nothing else is required. Women will suppress their Goddess (internal goodness) to attract men and leave it up to their external appearance. Men are visual, and this will attract them. Once they get them, more is required to have the relationship to work. Similar to what you said:

    1.Please tell me what does LOVE BUILD?!
    Does Love keep the lights on?
    Does Love Protect a community from the hostile advances of other communities?
    Does Love create opportunities so that people have jobs to walk into and can actually PHYSICALLY PRESERVE THEIR WAY OF LIFE?!

    Once women realized their expectations are being met, and the man have no desire b/c now you have set the stage– the relationship is in shambles and both people are lost. The woman has degraded herself and the man doesn’t know who is or his purpose neither does the woman. It is more than about the external.

  • Trinity

    @Perspective

    If you are a GODDESS then that means that YOU RUN IT AND YOU CONTROL IT – which means that WOMEN – at this stage should bear the onus of responsibility – but THEY DO NOT. ~ Exactly. And this piece has been forgotten because women began needed a man more than a man needed a woman.

    If a man desire you, he will do what it takes to keep you. I just think women have forgotten this piece. In return men do less.

  • Perspective

    Exactly – because you know men are women are difference species competing for resources and are each others NEMESIS!

    (eyes roll)

  • Jessie

    I think we all know the answer to this. Dig deeper.

  • Perspective

    ” Just because she was a willing crackhead and possibly deserved whatever ill treatment she received from men doesn’t mean most women are responsible for the ill treatment and degradation they receive in society and by men.”

    It kills me – how women see nothing positive coming from men – constantly voice their opinions about the disposability of men (which men are very aware of) only to turn around and CRY – the those same men, that they see no value in, are not UPLIFTING THEM, PRAISING THEM, PROTECTING THEM, AND BASICALLY WORSHIPPING THEM LIKE A GODDESS!

    The ULTIMATE in human arrogance.

    As black man, I need to just walk away from the conversation because I can see women have their minds made up and honestly, I want no parts. I’ll just do me – and from the looks of it – will find companionship elsewhere, just not in the AA community, because this is ridiculous.

    Will women EVER get off the victim bus?

  • Perspective

    No it’s really not that. Its the fact that women want male responsibility without leadership or male control.

    They want the power of men – without the accountability

    Men are walking away from this arrangement in droves. Its not even logical for those who were indoctrinated with the simping mentality from their mothers. You know the “girls are always right and boys are always wrong stuff.”

    You know the “If she’s upset with you it’s something you did,” mentality.

    When you boil alllllll the water out the pot – I’m tellin you, you will be left with black women who want independence, to be seen as equals, power and the ability to make their own decisions – and NONE of the responsibility when it comes to their children or the environment (community) those children will grow up in.

    Everything else is superficial – HALF of it – isn’t even measurable or tangible women can just literally make it up.

    “This is what happens when people stop living in the real world and FULLY embrace the SPIRITUAL WORLD. The worst part about it, is that when you are not talking about ORGANIZED RELIGION (which I am not a fan of either) there is a structure to it. However, this ambiguous spirituality, people just make it up as they go, obviously to THEIR benefit. If you haven’t noticed the trend for young black people is no longer organized religions its these concepts of spirituality, being spiritual – but not religions. These came about so that people could create a system that is tailored to THEIR NEEDS. Its quite simple and obvious; people just overlook the fact that THIS IS what’s being done. If you fundamentally don’t believe in male leadership, then you are not going to like any organized religion as a woman. My only issue is – “Fine, you don’t like male leadership. Ok cool. I’m not going to fight you, just don’t forget that bag of responsibility when you walk out the door. That does not stay here. That goes with you when you leave.” That’s what women overlook.”

    You are damn right – men are going to reject responsibility that is underneath female leadership – because male leadership doesn’t even work like that.

    Imagine men leading but women taking on the responsibility.

    Women claim this goes on – and I’m sure there are a few idiots out here who think that way, because they weren’t taught the connection between leading and being responsible – but how many women do you see trying to sign up for that type of situation.

    Soon as they see a man who wants to lead but doesn’t want responsibility – any sensible woman is GONE!!! Unless of course, she wants to run it – and let the man be in the daze that he is in, thinking that his broke but is really running it.

    The woman just sits back and smiles as she balances the checking account and signs off on the deed to the home – her signature ALONE!

    Consequences come out of this – when she gets tired of carrying his behind. NOW SHE’S MAD! Now she wants to slam him for not being the man THAT SHE KNEW THAT HE NEVER WAS WHEN SHE LINKED UP WITH HIM.

    The chickens have come home to roost.

  • Perspective

    WTF?!

    The way you come to your connections between causation and outcome are unreal!

    I can tell you are the type of woman who doesn’t understand why men truly value women.

    Let me ask you the question, why do you think men of other races value their women?

    Is it white spiritual energy that causes the white men to value and protect his woman and community. Please, enlighten me. Tell me, as a black woman why you think that black women are NOT valued, or why they should be valued by black men at the collective level, as more or less seen by other races of men?

  • Chillyroad

    What you have said is far more profound than anything Jada Pinkett Smith could muster. I agree with a lot of what you have said here. Her husband would not be the man he is today and provide the lifestyle she has that allows her to spew this utter crap if her was anything like she wants men to be. She is attempting to further cripple the very hands that are meant to feed the black community.

  • Trinity

    In a nutshell, I’m basically saying black women are of value and we must always present ourselves as such (not settle for less). Once we do settle for less, we will receive less.

  • Perspective

    I just wish I had proof read – I get hype when I read this dumb stuff that is akin to black folks smashing the accelerator on our own demise.

    “YES, LETS DOUBLE DOWN ON MATRIARCHY! YES LETS KEEP DOING WHAT CLEARLY HASN’T WORKED!”

    “Let’s continue to shame men with male responsibilities attached to a patriarchal structure that we don’t even believe in!”

    “Lets continue to FABRICATE the way in which the universe works (obviously to our benefit)”

    Silly, thing is – this has nothing to do with the universe even if you fabricated it. It has everything to do with the fact that PEOPLE – down to the individual ARE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING THAT DOESN’T BENEFIT THEM.

    Women no longer believe that any sort of patriarchal structure benefits them – they only speak of it’s supposed evils – or even worse – blame the erosion of a patriarchal system on an actual REAL PATRIARCHAL STRUCTURE that they simultaneously us as THE EXAMPLE of what black men should be doing – i.e. white men and their system. They want the white woman’s privilege WITHOUT her position.

    I get it – They can kiss my behind on black men actually signing up for that – BUT I GET IT!

    They are to be worshipped. What black men want, does not matter. We are to be responsible without control or leadership, and we are to value the black woman MAGICALLY AND INTRINSICALLY because she is THE ORIGINAL WOMAN AND EARTH MOTHER.

    Yea, good luck finding black men to sign up for that. I’ll be out there in Western Canada – living out my days – OUTSIDE of the blast radius when the black community IMPLODES do to the uncontrolled behavior of the black men that come out of these matriarchal homes. Black women love to have babies with men who they can control and won’t interfere with THEIR PLANS – but damn their children having opportunities coming from black men.

    How would that even work? Inferior men – who can create something superior than their superior black women?

    Oh I forget – the Mother Goddess blesses any man who subscribes to WOMAN WORSHIP with the infinite knowledge to overcome is innate maleness and build grand monuments to amazing heights as a testament to the black woman’s natural energy that vibrates his inner soul. This MAGIC is so great that white supremacy is BLINDED by its shimmering light so much that the white system with its bankers, scientist, skilled-labor, scholars, and business men – turn away at the GLORIOUS MAGNIFICENCE that is the TRUE POWER of the black woman.

    Damn and all this time, I was thinking that getting an education, finding gainful employment – later creating my own job, hiring young black men and women in my own community, and then passing on my company to my children with the knowledge to run it and pass it onto their children was the way to go.

    Damn, I guess I wasn’t INTUNE with my inner African King who’s in touch with my subconscious Original Woman Earth Mother Goddess.

  • Perspective

    No that is not what I asked. I asked,

    “Why do you think men of other races value their women?”

  • Perspective

    I said that wrong:

    Women no longer believe that any sort of patriarchal structure benefits them – they only speak of it’s supposed evils – or even worse – blame the evils of a patriarchal system on an actual REAL PATRIARCHAL STRUCTURE that benefits women and but simultaneously use as THE EXAMPLE of what black men should be doing – i.e. white men and their system. They want the white woman’s privilege WITHOUT her position

  • Dw

    My brother, coming from another black man. Let me tell you something “Perspective” sigh i don’t even know where to begin. When many of these women abandoned the civil rights movement for which “Racism” should have been dealt with back then, the women abandoned us, they have abandoned the fight against “Racism” the root of many of the issues back then, they joined a movement that they believed would have been beneficial to them when today as a man, a black man, i see no benefits the black woman have gotten out of that movement to this day, other that it did, benefited someone else. We surely know it is not us, nor our communities.

    Just like in the 80s and early 90s when crack cocaine use to run the streets in the black community from Oakland to Harlem, the feminist children and the crack babies are who we’re having a conversation with today. These women are so far gone, that they are no longer connected to us psychologically , spiritually, or mentally. Today we have black women, that actually believe they are better than men and are even more better than black men. Now there is nothing wrong to think highly of one self, but when these women put it into practice, you are right, they are unaware of the collateral damage they are causing.

    You know it is only so much you can tell a child to not place their hand next to the stove till they actually feel for themselves. The same way that you are convinced that many black people today are indeed stupid, i too am convinced that no amount of talking, nor facts presented can sway these women already dead set beliefs. So what is one to do one may ask, i say leave them at their own devices. I mean these are people, women who thinks they are better than you, or i anyway right? These women do not understand the power they posses. They have no discipline.

    A nation can only go as high as its women. If the man is suppose to be the protector, provider, and all these other labels, i agree that these women actually would believe that their role and function is to be n do the same as a man, but the kicker is, they actually believe it. So my brother i ask of you, as men, as black men, what are we to do when the boys that are being produced by these women don’t even stand a chance towards other men, other races of men what are we to do? How can one convince a mortal that is not only arrogant and ignorant of their own self worth and power, but deaf to understanding? I share and understand the depth of this on going issue with you, but as a black man that only sees inferior men amongst my mist, how can i work with these men? how can we? we can’t because the young black males that are produced are being produced to be ruled by other races of men and the women are in complete agreement with this because if they weren’t, how can they continue to sit idly by and continue to allow this treachery behavior to continue?

    We tell them that the men have to be in a position for them to be able to be just as worthy as white women, the Hispanic women, the Asian women that are highly valued amongst their own men, how can you convince a racial group of women to release that position? You can’t. Because no matter how much talking, how much facts, how much of anything that are directed in front of them, it means nothing because through everything else, it all boils down to the little bit of crumbs of power that have been given to them by men who do not look like you and i. Crumbs of power, a power that only harms them and their children and their men.

    In order for them to change, their must be a rebellious group amongst the women that reject such feminist divisive culture. There must be another group amongst the women themselves that will separate them from the rest. There must be a group amongst the women who wish to have a male and female household, a belief of having a man that gets up every morning to go to work and return home and be rewarded for his hard work and efforts, the builders that can put us not only in a position, but a Global position of power, such as your designers, engineers, architects the real foundation of building up the community these group of women must have a belief in rewarding those types of men and believing in them vs the other group of women who glorify gangstas and criminals.

    If there is not a separation between the two, then it would continue to appear as black women have only 1 voice and move as 1 collective in everything they do and if that is truly indeed the cases then “Perspective” we have no fight to fight since they have already won and we will forever be a permanent underclass as a race of people. With over 80% of households it is only these women raising them, especially the boys, these boys will grow up to be the very same type of men that was never their for these women when they were in labor and as this cycle just repeats itself. What more can we do? Nothing.

    In order for this whole situation to change, the women have to change from within then the men will fall inline as to what they need and have to do but if they want to continue dealing with no substance black men, the black man will never rise from the position that he currently is thus the black community will never rise and if the black woman thinks she is rising in her career and job opportunities, the respect for her by others will always remain the same and she would never be valued the same way as other women period! The change have to come from within.

  • Dw

    My brother, coming from another black man. Let me tell you something “Perspective” sigh i don’t even know where to begin. When many of these women abandoned the civil rights movement for which “Racism” should have been dealt with back then, the women abandoned us, they have abandoned the fight against “Racism” the root of many of the issues back then, they joined a movement that they believed would have been beneficial to them when today as a man, a black man, i see no benefits the black woman have gotten out of that movement to this day, other that it did, benefited someone else. We surely know it is not us, nor our communities.

    Just like in the 80s and early 90s when crack cocaine use to run the streets in the black community from Oakland to Harlem, the feminist children and the crack babies are who we’re having a conversation with today. These women are so far gone, that they are no longer connected to us psychologically, spiritually, or mentally. Today we have black women, that actually believe they are better than men and are even more better than black men. Now there is nothing wrong to think highly of one self, but when these women put it into practice, you are right, they are unaware of the collateral damage they are causing.

    You know it is only so much you can tell a child to not place their hand next to the stove till they actually feel for themselves. The same way that you are convinced that many black people today are indeed stupid, i too am convinced that no amount of talking, nor facts presented can sway these women already dead set beliefs. So what is one to do one may ask, i say leave them at their own devices. I mean these are people, women who thinks they are better than you, or i anyway right? These women do not understand the power they posses. They have no discipline.

    A nation can only go as high as its women. If the man is suppose to be the protector, provider, and all these other labels, i agree that these women actually would believe that their role and function is to be n do the same as a man, but the kicker is, they actually believe it. So my brother i ask of you, as men, as black men, what are we to do when the boys that are being produced by these women don’t even stand a chance towards other men, other races of men what are we to do? How can one convince a mortal that is not only arrogant and ignorant of their own self worth and power, but deaf to understanding? I share and understand the depth of this on going issue with you, but as a black man that only sees inferior men amongst my mist, how can i work with these men? how can we? we can’t because the young black males that are produced are being produced to be ruled by other races of men and the women are in complete agreement with this because if they weren’t, how can they continue to sit idly by and continue to allow this treachery behavior to continue?

    We tell them that the men have to be in a position for them to be able to be just as worthy as white women, the Hispanic women, the Asian women that are highly valued amongst their own men, how can you convince a racial group of women to release that position? You can’t. Because no matter how much talking, how much facts, how much of anything that are directed in front of them, it means nothing because through everything else, it all boils down to the little bit of crumbs of power that have been given to them by men who do not look like you and i. Crumbs of power, a power that only harms them and their children and their men.

    In order for them to change, their must be a rebellious group amongst the women that reject such feminist divisive culture. There must be another group amongst the women themselves that will separate them from the rest. There must be a group amongst the women who wish to have a male and female household, a belief of having a man that gets up every morning to go to work and return home and be rewarded for his hard work and efforts, the builders that can put us not only in a position, but a Global position of power, such as your designers, engineers, architects the real foundation of building up the community these group of women must have a belief in rewarding those types of men and believing in them vs the other group of women who glorify gangstas and criminals.

    If there is not a separation between the two, then it would continue to appear as black women have only 1 voice and move as 1 collective in everything they do and if that is truly indeed the cases then “Perspective” we have no fight to fight since they have already won and we will forever be a permanent underclass as a race of people. With over 80% of households it is only these women raising them, especially the boys, these boys will grow up to be the very same type of men that was never their for these women when they were in labor and as this cycle just repeats itself. What more can we do? Nothing.

    In order for this whole situation to change, the women have to change from within then the men will fall inline as to what they need and have to do but if they want to continue dealing with no substance black men, the black man will never rise from the position that he currently is thus the black community will never rise and if the black woman thinks she is rising in her career and job opportunities, the respect for her by others will always remain the same and she would never be valued the same way as other women period! The change has to come from within.

  • Perspective

    Unreal – YOU ALL REMOVE THE THREAD OFF OF THE MAIN PAGE.

    smh @ The intellectual integrity of black women.

  • Dw

    Denial and censorship only delay their divine greatness. “Perspective”

  • simplyme

    Perfect. So simple, so easy, so straightforward yet some will never get it.

  • http://tontonmichel.tumblr.com Tonton Michel

    I am curious to what she sees as the solution to the woes of black men put on by these sinister women. Seems like a quick bait and hook is going on, if most would blame men for the degradation and objectification of women, than she is just slick blaming men for ratchet women.

  • cb

    ummm, did you post this on FB? lol

  • cb

    @Perspective, what’s wrong baby?

  • Perspective

    Honestly brotha, I don’t know what can be done.

    I’ve done the math.

    The idea of black men just going off and putting something together without even the possibility of PATRIARCHAL black women being on the horizon, I don’t see the purpose .

    If you aren’t building a black community, and passing anything on that you want your kids to build upon and maintain – what’s the point in keeping it black?

    There’s nothing keeping brothas here because there is no black community to speak of other than the one that black women control – but insist that it’s OUR responsibility.

    Both black women and black men grew up in a broken community – but these women just take it to the next level when they reject the very concept of it being FIXED unless it’s to matriarchal specifications. Men are not going to do that. Men are not going to build, protect, and provide for something that DOES NOT BENEFIT THEM.

    However, without a community – where do we stand? Even if brothas jump the fence – what are we really doing over there.

    You do not build in another man’s house, and it’s not like we are creating a BROWN COMMUNITY. Most of those women are getting with black men with the expectation that THOSE brothas are going to be incorporated into their world and their community anyway. Hence why many seek the HUXTABLE black – type black men. You get a few that are slummin it and grab the promoted black man (Thug) but as a rule, that’s not what I see when I see these fence jumpers. Either way, who cares about pookie – how can you have a community when you have a growing number of your most intelligent men LEAVING. It’s a brain drain – but that’s not to say these men know exactly what they are doing. Most were taught and told to GET OUT OF THE BLACK COMMUNITY and LIVE A GOOD LIFE – which is what they are doing. Who was really taught to leave and then comeback. Sistas out here bragging about their careers I just laugh because I know most of them are not living in the BC. Even a neighborhood of black professionals is not a BC. Ask who wants to open up a small business on mainstreet and the same uppity negros get silent.

    95% of black female businesses hire 0 people and make less than 15K – and that’s by the numbers. The men are doing much better – but at the collective level – we’re not THAT kick ass. We are not putting whole blocks of black men to work, but back to what you said – how do you work with these IDIOTS coming out of these matriarchal factories black women like to call their womb.

    I didn’t know how out of pocket these women were until I discovered that many were PURPOSELY choosing men who were less established than they were because “They didn’t want no NINJA telling them what to do!”

    And that comes at a cost – collateral damage all day.

    Where are the men who know how to teach their sons how to do anything? Oh that’s right you didn’t pick him.

    Where are the men who are teaching their sons to network with other black men to build and put something forth that will benefit the black community, OH THAT’S RIGHT YOU DIDN’T PICK HIM.

    I’m not even saying most of these so called ON-point black men are that awesome – many have the wrong mindset of being a Token – but that can be worked on – but when you have FLAT OUT avoiding men with even the financial tools to DO ANYTHING in their community – I’m like, Please – get out my face with all the complaints about WHAT THE BLACK MAN AIN’T DOING.

    You are on Bs! What did you think was going to happen? Its like we have reverse natural selection going on in the black community. These women have demonized patriarchy so much – they have exactly what they wanted and DON’T EVEN REALIZE IT.

    Patriarchy HAS BEEN DEAD IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY – hence all the problems – but they are still complaining about it as if its still here.

    No, these destructive black males out here – NO they come out of the women’s single parent homes – and when you look at these abandoning fathers – I’m left scratching my head trying to figure out why a woman would lay down and get pregnant by a man who had nothing to over you or the children.

    But do you think BW will EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER take accountability for that.

    HELLZZZZZ NO!

    It’s the black man’s fault for not jumpin out the bush and tacklin her – being a “C” block and preventing Pookie, of Mr. SHIFTLESS from the single parent home from knocking her up.

    I get like you sometimes – I’m just like – WHATEVER, let the BC implode – just let me be outside the blast radius when it happens. Death will come for me sooner or later, but at least I won’t be dying via matriarchal structure.

  • Perspective

    This is dumb feminists dribble.

    And its coming from a white man – on a black woman’s site.

    (Eyes roll tremendously)

    Funny you should speak of rape – when white men were having a field day raping black women during slavery.

    Of course women are a commodity – EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE is a commodity to the white man.

  • Perspective

    Still waiting for a response – (hey other women can jump in if they want.) Since Trinity has failed to produce an answer.

  • beks

    These dudes need their own sites. jeez.

  • Trinity

    Oh, I’m here. I wasn’t running from you by far. But I sort of don’t understand why my not answering you was coined as “failed”. To that point, I’ve pretty much stated my viewpoint on this issue. Nevertheless, I have decided to respond instead of being curious to see how many times you would seek me out. After all, it is a worthwhile conversation.

    It is simple, other races of men are empowered, taught, and expected to treat their women with respect. Historically, (as we are all aware) black women were never held in high esteem. Throughout the years, our value continued to decrease. If it was due to the lack of showing self-love for ourselves and or how we were displayed within the media. In a sense, we have co-signed for men to value us less and value other women more. How have we done this? By accepting and requiring less of our men; therefore, they will value us less. Notice how some of our men will date other women and value her more. It’s because she expected more and society taught him to love “any” woman more than a black woman. Now, this does not apply to all black men.

    For some of the black men who weren’t raised to value black women or protect a woman/his home, their only example was/is society and which women to value. Since other races have always been held their women at a higher esteem; they follow suit. If black men at the collective level valued black women more, of course, this would influence the build-up of stronger communities. They work together, stay together, and build together. This takes place from the internal of being mentally, intellectually and spiritually fit. Not via outer influences.

  • Chelle

    I don’t make comments usually but I cannot believe your comment Perspective. No disrespect but you must be living under a rock. The black women I know are accepting every ounce of responsibility… for everything! Their own education, increasing their value in the workplace, every single aspect in their childrens’ lives, being financially savvy/independent, being spiritually connected (not by your oversimplified definition either), etc. The list can go on and on.

    I work for government housing and when I show up at the Homeownership programs the MAJORITY of people in the classes are black women. I’m currently taking classes, again, there’s one black man to (approx.) every 5 black women. A black women is the director in my place of business, a single mom at that, who relied on the wrong kind of man for a short period and quickly got out, earned two degrees and changed her and her son’s life. Walk a few blocks up the street, another single mom, who recently got married, opened up a new successful business. Some of my neighbors (black women) run departments in their workplace ranging from 5-50 people.

    These are the stories I hear, the things I see. Women taking matter’s into their own hands, not looking to pass the responsibility to ANYONE. Don’t be confused, this is not a bash to black men, I love them. This however, is damn sure a big-up to the black women out here quietly trying to make something of themselves everyday amongst all the black woman bashing. Keep going ladies…

    You need to get out more, the black women I know are killing it out here. No one has time to point fingers when you’re out here trying to live this short life to the fullest.

    Lastly I think for the most part, any heterosexual confident/smart black woman would be willing to have a good man “lead.” I hate to say this but there are not many men who are up to the task. I think that the smart black women know this and are taking leadership into their own hands simply to be well-rounded and prepared for the outcome of being single or finding the right one. Nothing wrong with that sir.

  • Chelle

    @ Perspective “They want the white woman’s privilege WITHOUT her position.”

    Do you know what these white women are up to these days? They’re certainly not at home being Betty Crocker. These women are a “post-feminism” breed of women AS WELL as black women, taking on leadership roles in their communities, places of work, building businesses, etc. Their men, however, stepped up to the plate and ran with it, didn’t fight it, sit back and whine about the white woman trying to be in control, they MARRIED them because they knew, like any smart person knows, two forces of power are better than one. The white woman being strong didn’t weaken or cause the white man issues with inferiority, it increased HIS VALUE, ensured that the woman was able to call him out on his bs because he’s humble enough to know he’s not perfect and is capable of making an error in judgement just like ANY OTHER MAN IN ANY OTHER RACE. Don’t discredit the mind of women, a great mind is a great mind no matter the sexual organ sir.

    I’m not speaking for all white men here. I know many of them though who marry opinionated, educated, spiritual, self-made women and it made them a better person because of it. It’s called a CHALLENGE. Anything that challenges you has the potential to help you grow. In their eyes that’s called a “catch”, not something to admonish, dismiss, try to gain control of, or worse, whine about on the internet as so many black men have made a hobby of these days.

    You sound like a victim. Black women, white women, I know plenty of both and the most pressing issue for BOTH races of women is independence. It’s the world we live in now. Adjust black man! No woman wants to be home waiting for knight and shining Armour dude to show up and lead! It’s too much ish to take care of out here! No one’s knocking black male leadership!!! Black women were at the polls voting for YOUR PRESIDENT in droves!

    If you sir, are one to lead, and any others like you out there, then come on! No one… not one black woman is sitting by waiting to stop that. If they are, get them out of your cypher, like you’d do any other hater.

    “The men who have their heads on straight – are left to NOTHING – ”

    Victim mentality. This is America. Even in a recession there are billions of people on this earth who would love to trade places with your “nothing”. And even if hypothetically there was “nothing”, make it your business to make it into “something” as “man” has done for ages.

  • http://shayemoore.wordpress.com jeanettemoore

    DO YOU THINK WOMEN ARE SUPPOSED TO DO FOR MEN SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY ARE MEN? HELL NO!!! THAT’S THE PROBLEM…MEN WANT CONTROL…THERE SHOULD BE BALANCE IN A RELATIONSHIP! IF YOU WANT CONTROL GET A DAMN DOG!

  • bob

    In all honesty im happy that men are awakening to the fact that many feminist do not want equality. They want to have even more of an advantage then men. The most priviledge class in America is white women. but they complain so much. Black women are not the problem brothers do not be fooled. Black women are loving and strong and take responsibility , the ghetto ones thats another story lol. But white women oh my God they complain but yet they are the most privilidge pampered people in America. Every time black woman complain about racism , every body shames them and tells them to be a strong black women. White woman complain about something that do not matter and things get done to meet their demands, and they are supposed to be oppressed.

    They complain about wage gaps , when most of the jobs they work are safe, they get paid the same as men when they do the same work as men. But when men are doing dangerous jobs such as firemen , or involved in construction or logging , they have to be compesated for risking their lives.

    The most oppressed class of people in America is the black man. We are fed ignorance by rappers and thugs. The image of the black woman in America is way better than the black man. America will accept a black women before black men any day. But there are bad people.

    next point black love can exist if good people get with good people. Its the bad people that ruin it for everyone and by bad I mean selfish coniving people that are only looking out for themselves and will screw over and manipulate people to get what they want.

    I used to think feminism was good when I was a kid, of course I want women to have every single opportunity that a man is given , but when you also demand special treatment and rights that men do not have , to gain an advantage, thats where you are going to stop winning and men will come to their senses slowly but surely, laws have to be rewritten. I do not even mind if women have a little of an advantage over men, but the way we are headed no no no no things are gettting to out of hand.

  • Joy

    Not ALL men from other races value their women. And for the record….Lots of Black men respect Black women. Some do, and some don’t. And that goes for all races

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  • PAT

    @perspiration..uh..sorry.. Perspective/SWP

    What are these *OPPORTUNITIES**that the Black man has/are creating? for Black people. I would TRULY like to know!

  • PAT

    @dw

    L.O.L!

    THAT. IS. ALL.!

  • Barbara2

    @Perspective

    I can’t figure out what your problem is–complaining what Black women will not allow you to do.

    My Dad never asked his wife or girls if he could do anything. He just did it, and we did what we were told! He was our provider, protector, and disciplinarian.

  • Barbara2

    @Dw and Perspetive..

    Both of you are wrong. I remember my Mother saying that in the 60s they fought for Black power, only to see Blak men abandom them in droves to chase after White women–huge betrayal. My mother said also that she didn’t have a clue what the White woman’s feminist movement was all about other than them saying they wanted to work outside the home–something Black women HAD to do. She also said that Black men were more interested in the White feminist movement more so than any Black woman she knew or heard of. I believe my Mother. It was Black men who dropped the ball–Whitey tricked you! Now you want to Blame Black women for everything that’s wrong!

  • PAT

    L.O.L.

    THAT.IS.ALL.!

  • PAT

    @dw and perspective

    Black men dropped the ball centuries ago…when they didnt kick the first arabs ass that showed up in Africa….now those arabs are rich and fat off of stolen African land and resources.

    Black men dropped the ball centuries ago….when they didnt kick the white mans ass when he showed up in Africa…and now the white man is unbelievably rich and arrogant from stolen African lands and resources. The state of Blacks, the world over, is the result of that non action?

    Everything else you speak is BS, if you dont bring up those points. You are right…juices and berries wont do to change those circumstances……and neither will blaming Black women for what you and other Black men wont, too scared. too lazy, or too selfish to do…for centuries now. You all cannot HIDE, behind Black women…… EVERYONE knows whats up!

    To answer your other question….Black women are not valued because of alot of reasons and you know them all, Im sure…..But one is because Black men are conquered subjugated men……… That means all Black men, women and children are conquered and subjugated also. I have always wondered why you are here. I might be wrong but I think you realize something and it reminds me of something I read by James Baldwin; Baldwin went all over the world…from Giovannis’ Room to the mountaintop and he saw something in the south that I think you see also. He saw that it was Black women who were the strength, so to speak, of Black men and really the only group in the Black mans corner.

    You see this also and it kills you SARGE WILLIE PETE, because you are a Black woman hater(maybe all women in fact- in spite of your threats to jump the fence- lol)…..But what kills you even more is it seems like a lot more Black women are questioning and outright abandoning this unspoken obligation/expectation—never ending support of the Black man—- especially because they seem to always get the short end of the stick….single parenthood, rap/hiphop culture, hate,disrespect. etc, etc. You(some Black men) see you cannot do it alone(attain power and compete against others) and no other group of women give a sh*** about you all…..But these Black women wont get on board blindly anymore….What you gonna do, Sarge?

    P.S. A lot of Black women are tired; SICK and TIRED….of you all…*THE BLACK MAN* and also all the other groups out there. TIRED OF YOU ALL!

  • Keepitreal

    WTF is going on in here? All the “men” trolls have gathered with their sheets on their head burning black women in effigy and whining about feminism. It’s so funny to hear certain types of black men cry and cry about the evils of feminism when the black community is ass backwards in terms of it and disgustingly misogynistic to the point of self destruction.

    If black women were truly influenced by the so called evil of feminism the vast majority of you whiners would be huddled together in a street corner in fetal position instead of coddled from birth mother to girlfriend mother.

    Again, I ask, do any of you “men” frequent non black women sites spewing disdain?

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