undocumented drivers license

President Obama’s home state has passed a bill to allow illegal immigrants to obtain driver’s licenses. Behind New Mexico and Washington, Illinois is now the third state to approve such a law.

Under the bill, undocumented immigrants are allowed to get temporary driver’s licenses, which cannot be used as a form of government identification.

According to ABC News, illegal immigrant unlicensed drivers cause nearly $64 million a year in damage claims. Supporters of the bill say the new law will improve highway safety and decrease the number of traffic deaths because drivers will be required to pass a test for their licenses.

State Governor Pat Quinn supports the bill and said he plans to sign it into law as soon as possible.

“More than 250,000 immigrant motorists on our roads today have not passed a driving test, which presents a dangerous risk to other drivers. Illinois roads will be safer if we ensure every driver learns the rules of the road and is trained to drive safely,” he said.

Eligibility to obtain a license is quite simple. Applicants must live in Illinois for a least a year, show prove of residency and fill out necessary paperwork at the Department of Motor Vehicles.

What do you think? Would you be okay with your home state clearing illegal immigrants to hit the roads?

  • AM

    yes. why not? reasoning behind it is VERY sound.

  • The Comment

    I bet insurance companies will now charge me more just cause I live in a state with a huge illegal immigrant/human trafficking population.

    A accident is bound to happen.

  • http://gravatar.com/prxtence Salmon

    I really want to respond to this, but its difficult to craft a logical response to something that is completely devoid of logic.

  • Jaslene

    Well you were partly right you did respond but nothing you said was logical.

  • http://tontonmichel.tumblr.com/ Tonton Michel

    I can’t see how the government can resist the temptation to use this document them. I would.

  • EST. 1986

    No, I would not be okay with it.

  • http://commentarybyvalentina.wordpress.com Val

    Okay, so by their logic crack should be legalized too, Right? I mean thousands of people are killed or hurt because of crack, so why not legalize it? Let’s make robbing banks legal too. That way no one would get hurt during bank robbery’s. Just walk in demand money and get it, no gun needed.

    This law is backward logic. And worse it’s political pandering. The answer is not accommodating illegal immigrants, the answer is to make common sense laws regarding immigration.

  • http://www.urbanexpressive.com J. Nicole

    The logic is if you have people on the road driving (most likely accepting a job many Americans would not take) they need to know appropriate driving rules to not cause an accident. It’s funny how people complain about illegal immigrants but benefit from them.

  • AM

    LMAO! Let my people make their money in America Val! The land of milk and honey.

    HIYA! *waving*!!

  • Keepitreal

    This is so disgusting but I absolutely expect this move to become the norm in all 50 states. Black Americans are fucked and most don’t even know it or care. Now why would I say such a thing? We are being replaced politically by these fucking lawbreakers—see how Barak and Romney declined the black issues debate? Well, get used to that back seat. TPTB already know which way 99.9 percent of blacks will vote so they don’t need our asses anymore instead expect to see more and more pandering to these criminals. America was built on our ancestors (Black Americans) back so the very idea that black Americans will have zero political clout in a few years makes my blood boil.

    If TPTB wanted to truly put a dent in the invasion, they’d transform the border into a military training ground/base. But that will NEVER happen not when they can easily create a new voting block of government dependents through amnesty.
    I wonder if the vast majority of illegals were black would these politicians be so quick to put a strain (in most cases close to damn near depletion) on their cities’ resources?

  • B

    Miss me with the lazy Americans trope knowing full well some employers rather hire people they can pay very poorly and under the table.

  • http://gravatar.com/chanela17 chanela17

    well can they make a law that requires immigrants to learn english as well?that is long overdue. there is no reason for somebody to be working in a drive thru or grocery store who can’t speak a lick of english. i’m not even gonna front. i’m referring to hispanic immigrants because i’ve noticed that other immigrants AT LEAST make an effort to learn english since they plan to LIVE in this country, but for some reason not hispanics.

    i know people who have been in the US for 30 years and don’t know any english at all. why? because they are constantly being catered to. there is no reason for them to learn english when everything is in spanish and when american citizens can’t get a job unless they speak spanish.(but you apparently don’t need to know english to get hired tho..)

    hmmm

  • Jess

    No I don’t think that illegal immigrants should be allowed a driver’s license. This widely recognized, government issued form of identification is reserved for citizens of the United States of America. Furthermore, having recently visited the DMV, I was shocked and disgusted to learn that the standard driving exam is administered in at least 5 different foreign languages. All at U.S. tax payer’s expense!!! So we are essentially bending over backwards to facilitate licenses for foreign nationals who refuse to embrace and learn the English language. I am not against immigration, I am against illegal immigration and do not believe that law breakers should be rewarded with legal forms of identification, instate college tuition rates, or government forms in any other language than English.

  • Liddy

    Actually your rates may go down as now more people who are driving legally will have to buy insurance. Also, I think Salmon was trying to say that your comment lacked any sense because well.. your assuming that because there are a lot of undocumented people in your state that there will be an increase in accidents if they get licenses. If that’s what you are saying, then yah.. you don’t make any sense.

  • http://gravatar.com/missinformation7 Ms. Information

    Illegal Alien=Mexicans…everybody else takes a backseat.

  • Liddy

    Sorry, I gave a hands up when I meant to click hands down. So I’ll write. A couple things, its not a crime to be in the U.S. without documents. I’ll repeat that, its not a crime to be in the U.S. without documents. As such you calling millions of people criminals is unwarranted. Second, I think you are the poster child of the result of “divide and conquer” or “crabs in a barrel”‘. You are so set on making sure Blacks are getting what little we can to the exclusion of others, rather than demanding a revolution to change the racist system. So very sad. So very ignorant.

  • EST. 1986

    Immigrants take the jobs that they do because it is what their education and language skills qualify them for.

  • kylie

    Why don’t we just go ahead and make them all citizens? There’s no sense in calling someone illegal or undocumented if we are just going to legalize or document everything they do and afford them the same opportunities and privileges as everyone else.

  • Barbara

    I wonder if the vast majority of illegals were black would these politicians be so quick to put a strain (in most cases close to damn near depletion) on their cities’ resources?

    Everyone knows the answer to this one.

  • Nakia

    I don’t, nor does my community, benefit from illegal immigrants. So they allow restaurant owners (and others) to pay below minimum wage with no benefits for maximum profit, and all of a sudden I’m construed as benefiting from that because I wouldn’t want that job for that pay? People who don’t pay income taxes but use resources that come from them? I think where you live in this country dictates feelings about this issue and I disagree with it. Also, I think fear will keep many illegals from going to the DMV. If they were concerned with being law-abiding, they would wait to enter legally and not drive without a license in the first place.

  • Nakia

    “To be in” the US without documents is not a crime? Yes, it is. Even if you are visiting, you come (like any place else) with expectation that you will have passport/visa in order and that you’ll leave in a timely manner or follow proper channels so that you can stay. Try that mess coming from Jamaica or Nigeria or Burkina Faso. Pah! It is illegal to sneak into the US and live, have children here so that they are automatically citizens and use resources here, without documentation. And trust, if you try to it going from the US to another country you’ll see how they feel about “undocumented” visitors.

  • EST. 1986

    Naw, I live in Maryland and the Dream Act (In-State tuition for undocumented children of illegal citizens) was passed, and it has been talked about whether or not licenses should be given to illegal immigrants.

  • Rue

    Not to nitpick but it kinda is. If you cross the border illegally, or overstay your visa, you are committing a crime and thus you’re a criminal.

  • EST. 1986

    Someone who doesn’t have insurance isn’t driving legally.

  • Liddy

    Its not a criminal offense. If you over stay you visa, you have committed a federal civil offense. If it were criminal immigrants would have the right to an attorney if they are being deported (they don’t) they would have the right to a jury trial (they don’t). They broke the law. But as you know you can break civil but not criminal law.

    “‘But describing an immigrant as illegal is legally inaccurate. Being in the U.S. without proper documents is a civil offense, not a criminal one. (Underscoring this reality, Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote for the majority opinion on SB 1070, Arizona’s controversial immigration law: “As a general rule, it is not a crime for a movable alien to remain in the United States.”)

  • Liddy

    Yep! That’s why you should give them licences so that they will be forced to get insurance. Hence the logic of more people driving legally means more people buying insurance and the prices going down.

  • Liddy

    Sorry your just wrong undocumented immigrants paid $11 Billion dollars in taxes in 2011(General Electric paid $0.00). They get ITIN numbers and actually do pay their fair share. Because they don’t have security numbers they will never see the social security benefits.

    Also, workers aren’t allowing their employers to exploit them. The employers are intentionally going after undocumented cheap labor and threatening them with deportation if they say something.

    If you want to stop undocumented workers from working its simple, FINE and PUNISH the employers. Arizona did that and there was a mass exodus of undocumented workers form the state.

  • victoria

    Let’s remember that there is no official language in this country. Therefore, govt and private institutions dont have to reguire English to be spoken. I was shocked to learn that there are public schools with majority Spanish speakers where Spanish is primarily spoken (NYC). Like an above commentor mentioned, no politician will touch illegal immigration because that will kill their career. Like you, Im not againt immigration. However, I have an issue with non tax paying non citizens benefiting from tax payer dollars – free education, medical care, social services, and like you mentioned, govt documents being printed at tax dollar expense for their benefit. Also, I have an issue with giving illegal immigrants the same rights as citizens b/c this allows criminals an advantage. My belief is if you go to another country be an asset, contribute, earn your keep, be legal. I welcome this.

  • victoria

    I think Mexico is one of the toughest countries regarding undocumented people. Undocumented immigrants from Central and So. Amer are treated very poorly.

  • EST. 1986

    Remember back in 2002 when a bunch of Haitians jumped off a boat and ended up on the Florida highway? I believe every last one of them were deported.

  • http://www.myblackfriendsays.com myblackfriendsays

    I don’ understand the argument that undocumented workers take jobs that U.S. citizens “don’t want.” I think a more accurate statement would be, “don’t want at the same wage that undocumented workers are willing to work for.”

    In this way, I see undocumented workers as being similar to scabs in union disputes. It would seem that if there was not a surplus supply of workers because of workers here illegally, employers would have no choice but to raise their wages for certain jobs, if they wanted the work to get done.

    I also understand how what I am saying sounds racish, so if anyone can explain to me why I am wrong…I am all ears.

  • http://commentarybyvalentina.wordpress.com Val

    Hiya, AM!

    *waves back*

  • http://gravatar.com/keimia Kam

    That’s because Blacks rely to heavily on the government to solve problems. No one gives up power willingly. No one. It must be taken. You give other groups an inch and they’ll take a mile. You give Black people an inch and they’ll celebrate getting that inch for 100 years. The whites that lived through the civil rights era are dying off and replaced by a younger generation who have absolutely no clue why Blacks keep getting “special treatment” as they see it. Blacks have already been politically replaced. What little power we had is eroding. We should be working right now to secure ourselves but I see little of that happening especially in this horrible economy which makes it difficult.

  • http://gravatar.com/prxtence Salmon

    what does the human trafficking population have to do with what was stated in the article? Actually what is is “human trafficking population”? Those trafficking or those being trafficked?

    What does any of that have to do with accidents? I mean really.. you’re conflating a bunch of concepts in this sentence. Why did this make sense to anyone?

  • http://gravatar.com/prxtence Salmon

    Illegal immigrant conjures such a negative image of a, uneducated, violent Latino immigrant. But really.. the only “illegal” immigrant I know is a white dude from Canada working as an engineer making six figures.. his companies lawyers are currently trying to get him papers but really. its funny who people assume to be illegal and how their reaction vary.

    I mean lets be real, his company hired the illegal Canadian engineer, because America’s piss poor education system can’t produce enough quality engineers.

  • Liddy

    HI won’t say you’re “wrong” just that you are not stating the full story. Your account right now is pitting workers against workers as though employers don’t have a part in this. Employers are hiring undocumented immigrants and paying them less than they would pay Americans. If you want to stop the “scabs” you don’t go put pressure on people looking for work.You start to fine the employer or put them in jail. That’s it.

  • SayWhat

    Why in the world did you get so many thumbs down? What you said made sense. These folks are on the road already, so why not make them go through the proper channels? At least this way we make them pay to play.

  • SayWhat

    I get why black americans are upset, you feel that you have been pushed to the back of a line that you have been patiently waiting on, and one that quite frankly you shouldn’t have to wait on because you help build this country.
    As a Haitian/American citizen (yes I’m a US citizen), I also appreciate the truth that if you are black and an immigrant, then you just don’t matter. You get put in concentration camps (yes they do exist) and then when they’ve worked you to be the bone you get sent the f#%@ back.
    But here is the thing, that is not the fault or the concern of the hispanic population. If all hispanics were dark like most blacks, this wouldn’t be an issue because they would be deported, but because some of them look white, those who run this country understand that they (the brown ones who make up the face of this sensitive subject) are part of a lucrative package. So if they want the Sofia Viegras, and Jennifer Lopezes of this world, then they have to accept the darker ones, and make accomodations for them.
    So whether you like it or not, their political and economic power will eclipse ours, hell, it will probably eclipse that of the white LOWER class, but again, why are fighting amongst ourselves for scraps?

  • The Comment

    Since you are an advocate for illegal activities you should have no problem with me making any kind of statement I so choose. Since you side with anything goes attitude.

    But I am by far guilty of that. Any sober country concerned with national security, economic stability and preservation of their national identity does not play around with illegal entry into their country.

    From SF GATE:

    Unlicensed driving is not a victimless crime. A recent Department of Motor Vehicles study found that unlicensed drivers are nearly three times as likely as licensed drivers to cause fatal crashes. They’re more likely to flee the scene of a crash – which makes them more dangerous.

    as if you didn’t know, illegal immigration and human trafficking go hand in hand; you don’t have one w/o the other. Insurance companies charge you more if you live in an urban area vs if you live in the suburbs….they, like other agencies that rely on statistics to justify higher interest rates. Statistics show that the more illegal immigration you have, the more traffic accidents AND DEATH you will have. If you don’t know the language how n the hell you gonna read the traffic signs?

    There is no such monster as an undocumented worker…..you crossed the boarder illegally, your stay is illegal,your work is illegal, you whole existence in America is illegal.

    Just because the top 1% exploits cheap labor and prevents law enforcement, ICE and federal agents from doing their job of lawfully deporting millions of illegal immigrants back to Mexico (majority of illegal crossing) doesn’t make it right.

  • The Comment

    No. America has plenty of qualified engineers. Like the food industry…and high tech…it is faaaar cheaper to give them a temporary visa than to pay an educated, skilled American health benefits, pay and other perks.

    Try again. And if you are really annoyed….report my comment. But you won’t cause you don’t like enforcement of any kind.

  • Billy Paul

    Nope, not racist at all, just an honest evaluation.

  • Billy Paul

    Interesting comment; however, allow me to add the following:
    - undocumented worker is a PC way of saying that the person is a criminal;
    - Colored people do not owe any other group anything;
    - criminals should go to jail;
    - the US can’t afford (more like shouldn’t) to take care of another countries trash (i.e. excess, unwanted workers);
    - the plight of an undocumented worker and Colored people are not the same;
    - Colore people should not fight for undocumented workers, because they have/will not fight for them;
    - these groups of undocumented workers come from groups that have a different agenda that does not necessarily include Coloreds;
    - most (i.e. 51%) of undocumented workers come from groups that have a dispossitive orientation towards Coloreds; and
    - Coloreds have helped undocumented workers enough by allowing them to feed at the civil rights trough that the Coloreds died for.

    Be not mislead, Billy is not anti-immigrant, rather he is anti-criminal.

  • Billy Paul

    Indeed!

    Actually, one may argue that this “push” to make the criminals legal further erodes the relevance of the Coloreds to the country.

    In particular, if Coloreds were not happy with the treatment that they received when they were numerically second to whites, what can they expect when their position is at best #3? One would argue that such treatment will be worse; hence, support for legalization can be construed as support for self annihilation.

    Be not mislead, we Coloreds have a right to commit suicide, but we should do so only after carefully analyzing the implications.

  • Billy Paul

    Which group on a whole has fought for Colored people?

    Coloreds and immigrants arguably do not inherently share interests nor has history proved such to be the case.

    A quick analysis of how Colored people are treated in the countries of the illegals should be a glimpse into how the illegals will treat and interact with Coloreds in the US.

    @ “divide and conquer” — hatred for Colored people is a global phenomenon. Packing this country with illegals will not afford the Colored people here any respite from racism.

    It is arguably erroneous logic which leads a Colored person to conclude that packing the country with non-european non-Coloreds will improve the plight of the 40+ million Colored people living there now.

    Question: How are the non-european non-Colored groups treating Coloreds currently in this country? Will that relationship improve as those alien groups gain more power and influence?

    Be not mislead, racial harmony arguably only exists in academia, but is rarely reflected in the society as a whole. If you have data reflecting the opposite, please feel free to prove me wrong. Please note, replies should focus on the aggregate as opposed to subjective replies that focus on personal experiences (i.e. my non-Colored [insert role here] and I get along well, so that means everyone else will get along too).

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