Emma McQuiston

Britain’s high society just got a bit more colorful. Emma McQuiston, the 26-year-old daughter of Suzanna McQuiston and Ladi Jadesimi, a Nigerian oil magnate, recently became the UK’s first black marchioness. McQuiston is engaged to Ceawlin Thynne, Viscount of Weymouth and the son of Alexander George Thynn, 7th Marquess of Bath.

To put things in context, a marchioness is above the ranking of countess, but below duchess, and McQuiston’s new title has seemed to ruffle the feathers of the old guard, but she isn’t worried.

‘There has been some snobbishness, particularly among the older generation,’ she told The Daily Mail.

She continued: “There’s class and then there’s the racial thing. It’s a jungle and I’m going through it and discovering things as I grow up. I’m not super-easily offended but it’s a problem when someone’s making you feel different or separate because of your race, or forming an opinion about you before they even know you.”

Emma McQuistonMcQuiston is an unlikely addition to Britian’s aristocratic ranks. Unlike her peers, she’s a former actress, artist, chef, and avid blogger.

Although McQuinston will be the first black marchioness, she isn’t the first in her family to marry into the Thynne clan. Her half-brother, Ian, is married to her future father-in-law’s half-sister.

I’ll let the Daily Mail explain the connection:

McQuiston and her husband to be are technically already family. 

The daughter of Oxford graduate, Ladi Jadesimi, McQuiston grew up in the rolling Wiltshire countryside and has long been part of her future husband’s circle, first meeting him when she was just four years old.

Her mother, Suzanna McQuiston, had already been married when she met Emma’s father, and had a son named Ian, now 51.

Ian is the husband of Lady Silvy Cerne Thynne, the daughter of the sixth Marquess of Bath by his second wife, and the half-sister of the current incumbent.

Lady Silvy is the Viscount of Weymouth’s aunt, which means that his soon to be brother-in-law is also his uncle.

Despite being the latest addition Britain’s aristocratic society, McQuiston has known her fiancé since she was four-years-old and was a regular at the family’s massive estate growing up. And though she may still feel like a bit of an outsider, her mother knows that McQuinston can win over her critics.

“I always felt there might be this slightly snobbish thing about anyone that’s black,” McQuinston’s mother confessed, “but it seems that everybody has taken Emma into their hearts and they love her.”

  • Not convinced

    Is she Blasian? Look at her, she doesn’t look black. If she is she is mixed with Asian in there. Her face is 100% Asian as if she were Filipina.

  • AnnT

    Can I get this article diagrammed?
    Congratulations nonetheless.

  • Apple Pie

    Her mother is English and her father is Nigerian.

  • Not convinced

    Look at her in the DM article linked, bigger pix of her face. Thx.

  • Shirl

    lol..I know right?

  • NutmegPrincess26

    So I guess Obama is white then

  • Sanura Rose

    loool

  • Chika

    *rolls eyes* Being a part of the British aristocracy is nothing a Nigerian should be proud of.

  • http://parentingbytheseatofmypants.wordpress.com greendoondoon

    Have a stadium full of seats.

  • Stephanie

    Well hey, a little colour in the monarchy can’t hurt, congratulations to her!

    And really anybody who isn’t a royal gets criticized once people get wind of an ‘outsider’ coming in (case and point for The Duchess Kate Middleton); this too will pass and soon everyone will forget where she came from and obsess about what she’s wearing lol :)

  • Yb

    Yeahhhh………….I’ll refrain from commenting on the politics of race and pondering how a women can come from a non-black women yet still be seen as a black women to my self to say……

    Congrats!!!

  • Jaslene

    Have you all never heard of the one drop rule?

  • Anthony

    This is the 21st century equivalent rich white Commoners marrying into titled aristocracy: the nouveau rich have the money, the aristocrats have the status.

  • http://gravatar.com/tiffywiffy88 Tiffy

    congratulations that’s good for her… the farther you go back you find out that the royal family has black blood anyway so….

  • Apple Pie

    @Not convinced

    I looked at the link and yes she does look filipina in some pics. In most of the pics though, she looks biracial.

  • Somebody

    I wonder why she doesn’t have her father’s last name.

  • Pink Lipstick

    This the realest comment I’ve read in a while.

  • Anthony

    She probably does not have her Dad’s last name for the same reason that people you probably know personally do not have their Dad’slast name.

  • Ms. Vee

    I observed the title and scrolled through the photos….i haven’t seen a black person yet. O well.

  • Keshia

    I have yet to see this black person you are speaking of lol

  • The Comment

    *tears*

  • The Comment

    Right this way please…

  • The Comment

    Damn that’s deep!

    yeah! Whose gold and diamonds do you think the Brits stole that stuff from. You got to give it to white people; they know how to steal stuff and make you think that it was theirs to begin with.

  • kay

    so many mixed feelings here.

    I’m not sure why she’ even cares about validation from snooty white people. and I feel like they mention her being “Nigerian” because she can’t pass for white. If she could, they wouldn’t have mentioned it at all.

    But good for you girl. Marrying your brother’s uncle’s daughter’s son. Good for you.

  • http://gravatar.com/nolakiss16 binks

    Lol right, this just got a little soap operaish. But weather she identifies/labels herself as black or biracial she is still a woman of color regardless so I won’t be splitting any hairs. Congrats to her though I thought the aristocracy life was antiquated and mostly for show.

  • Anthony

    Emma McQuiston’s mother is a Viscount, so she was born into a noble family. Emma’s parents did not marry, that is why she has her mother’s surname.

  • AJW

    Still letting white folks think they can give birth to black babies? Smh

  • london via africa

    It probably doesn’t open doors in British high society the way her mother’s noble name does.

  • cupcakes and shiraz

    Not to sound like a purist- but white women do not produce black children. Only black women can produce black children.

  • K. Michel

    Dukes, marchionesses, countesses and counts… yeah. They’re not the least bit pretentious.

  • london via africa

    black people come in different shades and with different features.
    the fact that she doesn’t have the type of look typically associated with people of African decent, doesn’t take away her blackness. can we please get over this assumption that all people of African decent have chocolate skin, full thighs, a big ass, a wide flat nose, thick full lips and tight kinky hair.
    signed sincerely an African women from the DRC.

  • LemonNLime

    So let me get this:
    asian parent + asian parent = asian child
    white parent + white parent = white child
    but, black parent + black, asian, white, purple, green, Martian parent = black child?

    How does this nonsense make sense to anyone? I for one, find it insulting that people (black people included) find their genes to be so non-essential or worthless that you can substitute anything and still get black children. Come folks, even if it isn’t common sense it is simple math (ex: white/black parent + white parent = 25% black/75% white child. If you have to, round up. That doesn’t equal black *cough, cough Halle Berry*)

    And DON’T give me that “one drop” crap. That was a tax/inheritance rule created by white men that ensured the offspring that resulted from the RAPE of black slaves would not be granted their freedom or have access to their property. Why would anyone black person in their right mind want to still use that rule as any kind of measuring point? White people also said that we were only 3/5 of a human beings, are we still running around noting that every 5 minutes?

    There is nothing wrong with being biracial, whether you are the first biracial American president or first biracial British marchioness. Congrats! Good for you… but you aren’t black.

  • layla Jamerson-Wright

    Exactly!!!!!! Iam Mixed-race NOT black. *claps* finally an African-Anerican gets it!!!! She’s mixed-race royalty.

  • DidntHaveAChoice

    So then who is black? Lord knows most of the black folks running around here who say they are black aren’t “100%” black per your equation. Their white just comes in generations back. So what’s your threshold? If you’re >80% black, you’re really black – lmao. And as a biracial woman, one drop rule aside, black folks quickly let me know that “I was black” while I was growing up. Race is a social construct, so I can run around and call myself green if I want to but if society defines me as black and labels me as black, well then hell, I think I’m black. But next time, I’ll refer them to your equation calculation and tell them to recalculate.

  • Come On

    Exactly. Most African Americans are mixed. I can understand people saying that biracial people should be considered biracial. Usually nowadays they have ties to both black family members and non-black family members, but is there some threshold here? Are people with 50% black ancestry on down not black or is it anyone who is not 100% black? I see what people mean about biracial people but people like Vanessa Williams and Toni Braxton probably feel pretty black. I’m mixed. I’m sure you are. MLK was probably mixed. Michelle Obama is probably mixed. Are we only including people who “look black.” What is the rule now for who is black? Should we all start calling ourselves mixed? I bet Wesley Snipes is mixed. I bet a significant number of white people are actually mixed. And if we said people who aren’t 100% black are mixed, I’m sure the American black population would be very small.

  • Anthony

    I agree that race is a social construct. I remember watching one of those Henry Louis Gates shows and Yo Yo Ma was featured. He is Korean, and the Koreans are noteworthy for the racial chauvinism, but once Gates looked into Yo Yo’s family tree, it turned out that the famous Korean cellist’s family has origins in China.

    In America, for generations we had a broad definition of blackness because of legally enforced segregation that made all people of color live together as black. That has changed in the last forty years because of integration and the legalization of interracial marriage. It is only common sense that a biracial child with an active white parent will not see herself as being as black as a a biracial child of fifty years ago who was abandoned by her white father, and was raised in the black community. The racial background the two kids is the same, it is the society that changed. Race is pretty much what people say it is provided they have the power to enforce their ideas.

  • Jayis

    How much black blood do you have to have to be “black”? What is “black”? Black is arbitrary. If Emma didn’t straighten her hair and wore a natural afro like Angela Davis, would anyone consider her not black. There are plenty of biracials with “black” hair. There are plenty of black people lighter than Emma and have more “white” features than hers. There are lots of black people who look whiter than Emma yet have “black” parents.

  • Somebody

    You assume I know people without their father’s last name, don’t you? In my culture, you definitely take your father’s surname. Anyway “london via africa” probably hit the nail on the head.

  • Somebody

    It’s a shame, if one probably has to somewhat “deny” part of one’s roots to be more accepted and have better oppportunities. *sigh*

  • LemonNLime

    What do you have a problem with fractions? If you are 50/50 black and white you are biracial. If you are 25/75 black/white then considering you are 75% white, one could round up considering they are mostly white.

    Why is this such a hard concept for people to understand? Is this a conversation in the Asian community? Doubtful. Hell, kids born to 2 Japanese parents outside of Japanese often times aren’t considered truly Japanese. But black people are willing to accept every Tom, Dick, and Harry in theirs.

    And yes, blacks in America do typically have some white blood (typically a product of rape, I might add) but guess what? If I am 94% black and 6% white and I rounded up…I guess it would make sense to be called black. Seriously people, fractions and percentages…it isn’t that hard. If Paris Hilton had 1 black great, great, great, great grand parent, you mean to tell me you would still consider her black? Sure play that kumbaya crap if you want, but things start to get real touch and go when so-called “black people” who look like your Paris Hiltons start applying for funding and certain scholarships and benefits etc. that are designated for black students OR they become the face of black beauty, etc.

    And white society dictated that one drop made you black…NOT black society. Now this silly idea has been passed down for generations as if it makes sense. Feel free to keep considering yourself whatever you want, but to me a black women with 2, count’em 2 black parents, you are only half.

    And to be frank, if I was the non-black parent in this equation, it would be hurtful that you’d completely disregard my side from your identity.

  • I got sense!

    @LemonNLime

    I didn’t realize you got to determine how someone else identifies. Fascinating.

  • Nostradamus_1

    She continued: “There’s class and then there’s the racial thing. It’s a jungle and I’m going through it and discovering things as I grow up. I’m not super-easily offended but it’s a problem when someone’s making you feel different or separate because of your race, or forming an opinion about you before they even know you.”

    That statement should refer to races(!), as she is bi-racial. And based on her website, she might refer to herself as Black from time to time, however there is little influence from the Nigerian roots many seem to be associating her with.

    http://emmamcquiston.com/about/

  • Anthony

    LemonnLime, I am very dark skinned and kinky haired, yet when I had a DNA test, I found that my ancestry is 12% white, and 3% Native American. Most black people with Western Hemisphere roots are not genetically 100% African. If you go to African countries like Senegal, Mali, Niger, Chad, Sudan, Burkina Faso, or the north of Nigeria or Cameroon, there are millions of Africans with a significant “white” genetic background. The same is true in South Africa where I saw very fair complexioned people speaking isiXhosa who saw themselves as Black Africans.
    I lived in Sudan, and I knew dozens of people black as me who saw themselves as Arabs. Millions of Dominicans are as dark as their Haitian neighbors, but they don’t see themselves as black. Race is a social construct. Actual genetic ancestry and physical appearance do not always match assumed racial “types.”

  • LemonNLime

    I didn’t realize you got to either!

    Just because biracial people consider themselves black doesn’t mean I have too. After all since race is a social construct, I can identify myself and others any way I want, right? It works both ways my friend.

  • http://gravatar.com/dginki Kim

    It is a two way street. Maybe more African Americans would “get it” if more biracial folks stopped trying to represent black folk(that is if they feel they are not one of the same). You can’t have it both ways. I am a Black woman period, so if someone does not see themselves that way, then why interject themselves into a discussion, situation, project, movie, etc. for and about Black men and women. Are we so deficient as a Black people that We need the presence of “other” to legitimize our existence? I’m beginning to believe some folk believe that.

  • Ms. Vee

    @london via africa

    “black people come in different shades and with different features.”

    True.

    “…can we please get over this assumption that all people of African decent have chocolate skin….”

    Last i recalled the assumption is that a black person is the product of two black parents. Therefore i cant really tell what your point is. Let me guess the child that comes out the couple will still be black -_-

  • http://gravatar.com/cocovabarbie KemaVA

    “How does this nonsense make sense to anyone? I for one, find it insulting that people (black people included) find their genes to be so non-essential or worthless that you can substitute anything and still get black children.”

    I prefer to look at it as our genes are so STRONG that you combine them with any other and you still get black. lol!

  • LemonNLime

    Funny to be having this conversation, when this is popped up on NPR:

    http://www.npr.org/2013/04/02/175292625/when-youre-mixed-race-just-one-box-is-not-enough

  • Ms. Vee

    @DidntHaveAChoice

    “Lord knows most of the black folks running around here who say they are black aren’t “100%” black per your equation. Their white just comes in generations back.”

    That is true. But the same applies to whites ( example white Americans). They’re not 100% white but would never consider this Emma woman or Barack Obama white. And they get no backlash for it. Why not? For the biracials that “consider” themselves black, don’t they have just as much equal right to consider themselves white/Asian etc?

    Lastly one of the biggest misconceptions in society is that a person that’s half black will automatically look more black. That is completely false and many have already proven this.

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LbnF-nEn4lM/UILoBy8TEgI/AAAAAAAAZoE/C1EDdVyIgG8/s1600/jennifer_beals-body.jpg

  • Anthony

    Somebody, maybe there is a cultural disconnect, but knowing somebody who has their mother’s surname is no slur against you.

  • Natalie

    So Obama is not black?

  • Apple

    This is in every single post when it’s a woman . No matter how much or how little white(or whatever race) there is in a woman there is the constant whining on how they aren’t black . What all black people are suppose to be dark as night to be black??? Yet Obama (or any other male who’s biracial or light skin) who is half black who was born and raised by a white woman! never gets challenged as being not black . Just stop

  • DidntHaveAChoice

    @ LemonNLime

    1) I wish we could boil race down to a simple equation. I’m sure all of our lives would be easier. But even if I know my own parents are black and white, I still don’t know my mom’s or dad’s percentages…It’s all super confusing. And you deciding on a threshold to round up feels incredibly arbitrary. And truth be told, my grandmother had two black parents but is lighter than I am and likely has more white in her than I do…Is she not black? Should I call her up and tell her? I might have to bring this up at our next family reunion.

    2) When I say race is a social construct, that means that society helps shape what we’re labeled and called. For example, what I’m called in Brazil would be vastly different than what I’m called in America. Growing up in Detroit, I was quickly labeled black because there are much stronger binary perspectives on race. You’re either black OR white. I’d be wasting my time trying to convince somebody I’m only 49% THEREFORE I’m not black or I’m biracial. People weren’t trying to hear that. And many of my life experiences were shaped by being around all black people and growing up with my mom’s side of the family who’s black.

    3) Finally, I just don’t care that much what you or anyone else thinks about how I identify. I think this is an interesting conversation but honestly, I’d quickly respond to someone calling me biracial, black or something else. I know who I am, I’m comfortable in my own skin and my parents know that I love them both. And depending on the decade, everyone and their mamas seem to have a different label for me. So why do you even care what I identify as? It’s not like there’s a quota on how many people can be called black and we’re competing for it…Lmao.

  • Bren

    Congratulations! Take the kingdom by storm.

  • london via Africa

    Ms Vee I said a person of african decent which Emma is along with her english heritage.
    The argument of if she should be considered black or not due to her white mother is another thing.
    Although I don’t personally agree with the Us one drop rule, I am personally over this obsession to want to racially categorise everyone.
    Last time I checked there was no opposition to barrack obama being identified as the first black US president, so I am puzzled as to why everyone is getting their panties in a bunch over this women.

  • Rue.

    Ugh. I’m so over black people saying “but he/she is not black!” whenever they see a mixed kid, but if he/she says “you’re right I’m not” then :”sell-out!” and “White people see you as BLACK!” You can’t have your cake and eat it too! Where the hell was I when they were appointing the offices of “Police of Negritude”?
    Anyway, congrats to the happy couple!

  • Rue.

    Hallelujah!

  • cupcakes and shiraz

    Apples and oranges.

    Black Americans are only “mixed” because our slave ancestors were raped by white men. Beside the point that most black people ain’t claiming massa’s blood, it just sounds plain ridic to be calling yourself mixed when you’re only 0.25% white (or other).

    It’s a different story from a mixed person with direct non-black ancestry through a parent.

  • cupcakes and shiraz

    Nope. I never claimed him as one of us.

  • cupcakes and shiraz

    Meh that’s nothing new. The royals stay keepin it in the family.

  • Funruffian

    Horsehair weave – check
    Nosejob (Rhinoplasty) – check
    Three inches of eye- makeup – check
    Designer gowns – check

  • Ms. Vee

    @london via africa

    “Ms Vee I said a person of african decent which Emma is along with her english heritage.”

    I didn’t deny she’s of African descent. All i pointed out is that she’s not black. That’s the difference. She just as European as she is African.

    “The argument of if she should be considered black or not due to her white mother is another thing.”

    No its not. Thats the argument.

    “Last time I checked there was no opposition to barrack Obama being identified as the first black US president..”

    Once you step outside of the racial confusion of the US you will soon discover that the rest of the world acknowledges mixed race people as just that. I’m surprised that this is coming from Britain because they do not consider mixed race people black.

  • Treece

    Nope, sorry. A White woman CAN produce a Black child if the father is Black. Genetically, it is a fact. African/Black genes are dominiant. A Black/White pairing will produce a Black child everytime. They may be lighter with a finer hair texture, but they are genetically Black. Look it up, and don’t just google it because you’ll find all types of mess.

  • Treece

    Ok, so i want to know who told the bold-face lie to most of the people commenting on this topic that in order to be Black you have to have two Black parents or a Black mother?? Have any of you taken a genetics/biology class that dealt with hereditiy and dominant vs. recessive genes? Ok, here goes. Phenotypically, Black traits (kinky-curly hair, dark skin, wider noses, thicker lips) are dominant. So, if any Black person creates a child with a White person, they will typically end up with more of the dominant parents’ traits (the Black parent’s traits). Since race is socially constructed (meaning we as a society make up what constitutes “Black”, “White”, etc.), we as a society have deemed people with the phenotypical (physical) traits named above as being Black. These traits show up every single time in White/Black pairings. The child may be lighter skinned, but still darker than the White parent. The child may have curly fine hair, but still curlier than the White parent. In some cases, the child may be mistaken for being “just Black” by many people because the Black traits were especially dominant in that particular pairing. This is also true of Asian/White pairings as Asian phenotypical traits are also dominant. This is why Asian/Black mixed race children look more equally like both races. And that’s just the short version/cliff notes…..

    So to the new BLACK Marchioness, Emma McQuiston, congratulation and I wish you and your’s all the best!

  • Treece

    This comment was meant as a response to someone else’s. Typed it in the wrong box

  • Hehe

    I don’t get why anyone would see this as an accomplishment. Anything related to European colonialism or royalty I can give two shits about. Also for those who are claiming Black people are mixed. This woman doesn’t have the little bit of European blood she is bi-racial. Her phenotype doesn’t even look like she’s black. Plus she’s was born in Europe and might not even identify as a Black woman.

  • JJ

    I agree with most on here. Biracial isn’t black and there’s nothing wrong with that. These people have parents of two different races, but we just call them black. Something seems off about that.

  • GlowBelle

    What makes a person a FULL Black person? What’s the criteria so that they can be ‘claimed’ such? Is it by who gets called the “n-word” the most? Who’s darker in skin tone? Who’s got two FULL Black parents? Who’s been to Africa and found all their ancestors Alex Haley style? Who has the kinkiest hair? Who listens to more Black music artists? Jeez. I’m getting tired of people trying to box, give percentages (really, we’re getting that technical??) and police a person on who they are racially, a lot of the criteria of what it means to be Black is based off of weak stereotypes and ignorance. Plus so few of us can sit here and say they are full blood whatever. Face the truth, face the the history. Probably if you shake the royal family tree, you’ll find someone of color there deep in the thick of branches, so Emma may not be the first…but at this point in time, she is and that is fine.

    The woman identifies as Black, she is half Nigerian…and to the eye (and to society’s constant categorizing), she will always be a person of color. I mean, is it that deep to police how a person views themselves racially? Aside from that, congrats to the couple, I wish them the best.

  • london via Africa

    I am not in the racial confusion of the USA, hence my name.

    My argument in my original post was not meant to be focused on her blackness, more her africaness, which I accepts is equal to her europeaness. I prob should have phrase it better. But my main argument was that there are different looks in africa.

    Lastly the rest of the world also refers to barack obama as the first black president, as he refers and identifies as black. The press coverage in britain, france and much of the rest of the world, focused on him being the first black president of the US, just as Halle berry was commonly referred to as the first black women in x years to win the best actress oscar.
    Wherever or not a biracial person wants to identify themselves as black or mixed race I don’t care. What I does bother me is people like yourself, who feel like they are the authority on who can consider themselves black. There are enough divisions between ethnic minorities. In Britain these people may be called mixraced on the census form, but in reality white brits think of them as black.

  • GlowBelle

    Thank you!!!!! I’m glad I’m not the only one who noticed this.

  • http://gravatar.com/1tasneem Complicated SisterjustMe

    Why am I not surprised to find us swooning over the begrudging admittance of a clueless girl into a minor branch of the very monarchy that helped exploit and destroy Africa ( and much of the rest of the world for that matter)

  • cupcakes and shiraz

    How much of that one-drop kool-aid did you sip?

  • cupcakes and shiraz

    Agreed.

  • Treece

    Probably the same amount as the “White woman can’t give birth to a Black child” garbage you gobbled down…..

    BTW, look it up. Genetics/biological fact.

  • Ms. Vee

    @london via africa

    “What I does bother me is people like yourself, who feel like they are the authority on who can consider themselves black. ”

    I didn’t know having common sense makes one authoritative. But alas, I doubt you would consider white people the same way for not considering Obama or Halle Berry white. Sorry but its time we stop letting whites define us. Just because they consider them black doesn’t mean we have too.

  • Anthony

    I agree, and it’s not like there are is no black royalty. There are thousands of noble families in African societies.

  • cupcakes and shiraz

    Not garbage- fact. If you wanna believe all that biogenetic bullshyt that the white man drummed into your head, feel free. Don’t expect the rest of us to be brainwashed or desperate enough to swallow that tripe.

  • The Comment

    Right on!

  • http://gravatar.com/smartysteph smartysteph

    The concept of ‘dammned if you do, dammned if you don’t’ embodies Clutch’s comments section…save yourself the headache and try not to be surprised.

  • RJ

    @BeReal you are not correct. People in Britain understand that they are bi-racial but they identify as black. Ask Thandie Newton, Sade and the woman in this article what they consider themselves to be.

    The woman’s mother ( who is white) refers to her daughter as black:

    And though she may still feel like a bit of an outsider, her mother knows that McQuinston can win over her critics.

    “I always felt there might be this slightly snobbish thing about anyone that’s black,” McQuinston’s mother confessed, “but it seems that everybody has taken Emma into their hearts and they love her.”

    I used to live in London and believe you me you will rarely find bi-racial people who try to runaway from Blackness. Usually their black comes from the motherland and that is undeniable.

  • nik26

    Thank you!

  • Chika

    Actual African royalty…now THAT’s something clutch should do an article on. That would be super interesting.

  • Elon

    I don’t think it’s so much of her ” accomplishing” marrying into royalty as much as some people thinking that men like Caewlin marrying a Black/mixed race woman. I think that is what some people may be surprised about.

  • Patricia

    A starting point to being able to identify as black is having two parents who identify as black.

    It’s crazy that we as black people include biracials, who clearly have one non black parent.

  • Patricia

    Why should black women allow biracial women and everything else under the sun to replace our unique beauty?

    I don’t see black men allowing biracial/light skin men to replace them.

    Black women need to stop defending biracial women and light skin women. They wouldn’t have half of the limelight if we didn’t allow them to identify as black. THe black roles would actually go to real black women.

  • cupcakes and shiraz

    I agree with your assessment. The black race needs to stand on its own without riding the coattails of mixed-race people’s accomplishments.

  • http://gravatar.com/addassamari Gail

    Congratulations on her upcoming marriage. Hope they will be very happy together. Really, what else is there to say?

  • ChildPlease

    Seriously? How is that crazy to you? Up until about 15 or 20 years ago, biracial people in America didn’t truly have a choice of how we identified. You couldn’t even select “biracial” or “multiracial” on most forms. Furthermore, black history is rich with people who are biracial (yes, from rape, but also not) and who were categorized as black by society. Up until the 90s, the US system was pretty clear at forcing you into “black, white, asian, latino or other.” Yes, that’s started to shift. But to those of us who are biracial and grew up in the 80s and 90s, people labeled us as black, based on our appearance and black parent. That is the legacy of slavery is this country. But now, because we have multiple boxes to check in the last 10 years, you want to tell me that I’m not black? Child please. You have no regard for history, how we grew up, how we choose to identify or how society identifies us.

  • Treece

    That’s right! I’m sorry I forgot…White people created science and genetics. Lol

    why do you think racist White people get so upset when “race mixing” occurs?? Especially with Blacks? Because they know that once White people procreate with Black people they produce Black children. Again, go back to HS and take a biology class (specifically to the part where we were all SUPPOSED to have learned about dominant and recessive genes) and then try to retort with your “White man’s science” commentary sis. Intelligent and analytical, yes. Brainwashed? I think not. You are the one that seems like your head has been through the “conspiracy theory” rinse cycle a few too many times. You have a good one.

  • Bia

    I think it boils down to personal identification. You identify as mixed race, I as black regardless of my parent’s race (one black/one white) because I was raised in a “black” world and as a “black” person. But that is my experience, I didn’t have much if any contact with my white side. I see two things biological identity and then cultural identity. It is weird that so many feel like they should chime in an discount a person’s form of identity.

  • Anthony

    There’s a lot of truth in what you say.

  • cupcakes and shiraz

    @ChildPlease,

    I think the two parent rule is a good starting point. Blackness has to be definitive and unquestionable and we can’t leave any room for inconsistencies. I don’t think it is healthy or productive for the black race to include those, who as you admitted yourself, can change their racial identity at the drop of a hat. It weakens the race.

  • Rue

    “Why should black women allow biracial women and everything else under the sun to replace our unique beauty?”
    Like yours, dear, who call women things?

    “I don’t see black men allowing biracial/light skin men to replace them.”
    Two words: Barack Obama.Though he isn’t replacing anyone. He is just a part of the vast black fold.

  • Rue

    You get the impression they aren’t really that educated.

  • Echi

    “Her phenotype doesn’t even look like she’s black.” Funny, if I saw her on the streets of Obalende with jeans and some flip-flops, she would look very Nigerian to me. shrugs shoulders

  • Echi

    It’s funny how she’s being denied access to the hallowed halls of being black, by some of the commenters here. Her dad’s Nigerian. For many Nigerians, where-ever the father is from, that is where the children are from. Bi-racial or not, I think that traditionally, her dad’s community would claim her as their own, so I don’t understand why her “blackness” is up for debate. The definition of blackness is not monopolized by solely our one-sided view of American or even British race relations.

  • Echi

    This chick’s dad is Yoruba, as in she’s half-Nigerian. Genetically, she’s probably “blacker” than many dark-skinned African Americans.

  • Echi

    @cupcakes – that seems to be a matriarchal point of view. In many western African cultures – the cultural background of the father becomes that of the children. Like for example a man marries a woman from another village, country, or race. Regardless of whether the children are raised by him or the mother, the children are considered members of the father’s community, not the mother’s. While I can’t comment specifically on Yoruba culture (from which Emma’s father is from), many Nigerian ethnic groups (with a patriarchal mindset) would consider Emma a Yoruba woman whose mother happens to be white. That would be a more realistic “purist” approach, rather than yours which is not applicable to the case of the woman in question. I guess if you view were the reality, she should instead be considered a white Yoruba woman.

  • Echi

    Funny, in the second pic, she looks like a light-skinned Nigerian to me, even more so than a Sade. She looks like she stepped out of a modern Nollywood film.

  • Echi

    Co-sign.

  • cupcakes and shiraz

    Well, since she doesn’t live in Nigeria, this point is kind of moot.

  • cupcakes and shiraz

    So what you’re telling me that Obama is black because the white man says so?

  • cupcakes and shiraz

    Echi,

    Emma lives (and I presume will invest her life) in the UK and from what I see, she doesn’t really identify with her Nigerian side, so it would be moot to apply Nigerian traditions on her.

  • Ms. Vee

    @treece

    Just because melanated people carry dominate genes does not mean that the offspring will automatically always bear the phenotype of the colored parent. And the further you mix the progeny with European the more recessive the phenotype becomes. Case in point:

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_mbCtanRrpLQ/S827QbMv-ZI/AAAAAAAAEHw/lnyiiwPqktA/s1600/08tradhomefamily.jpg

    Hate to break it to you, but having black in you does not mean that you are black and/or will have any physical indication of being black (Let’s not lie to ourselves and pretend that’s a black family).

  • Ms. Vee

    @Echi

    You do realize that in west Africa mixed people are called half-caste. It’s not an agreeable term but biracial people are differentiated as non-black even if embraced into the black family.

  • Echi

    @Ms Vee – I see you’ve been talking to many a West African and take their word as gospel. While I can’t speak for all West Africans, the term half caste is a term introduced by colonialists to describe mixed race blacks. I can only speak for my ethnic group (and I hate to extrapolate to others), but I am yet to hear of an indigenous word to describe those whose mothers are not black (if someone knows, I would love to find out). We even refer to our albinos as “white” but culturally, heritage is determined by paternal origins. Half caste is an unfortunate word that needs to die out like the word “akata,” a derogatory word meant to distinguish African Americans from Africans.

    @cupcake – that’s a ridiculous argument. That’s like saying that someone isn’t Asian because they were born and raised abroad.

  • Ms. Vee

    @Echi

    “While I can’t speak for all West Africans, the term half caste is a term introduced by colonialists to describe mixed race blacks”

    If you want to get technical the entire English/French/Spanish/Portuguese language was introduced by colonists. Regardless of the word used (derogatory or not) Africans still distinguish blacks from biracial people. Furthermore the one drop rule was introduced by colonists. Telling mixed people to deny/disown half of their non-black ancestry is in itself racist. Lets not argue about word play and acknowledge that mixed people are differentiated.

    “…but culturally, heritage is determined by paternal origins”

    Heritage yes. But not race. The father will pass down his legacy and tradition to his child regardless of what the mother is (thats pretty much the tradition of almost every culture worldwide). Emma would not be considered black when discovered that one of her parents is oyibo (white).

  • apple

    fine… black men give up barack obama, lenny kravitz, bob marley,Boris Kodjoe, carmelo anthony,jimi hendrix,shemar moore,smokey robinson etc then

  • Maria

    I wish them happiness she is pretty and he want her as his wife that all that matter.

  • Mademoiselle

    Anthony,
    Not to throw shade at your family research, but what exactly does “white” mean when it comes back from a genetic test? If I remember correctly from my high school history courses, Native Americans were nomads who reached the north American continent by way of Asia (crossing into Alaska by foot when the continents were closer). I’m skeptical of any genetic test results for that reason: humans throughout history have been very transitive to suit their physiological needs, so for a test to come back with white, black, and native American as the construct, it makes me wonder about its validity. Does it specifically give you estimates of which generation of your family line was located in which region of the world during specific time periods or is it does it only give you back percentages?

  • Mademoiselle

    Treece, you may want to re-read whatever reference you got on phenotypes. Just because black is the dominant trait does not mean the offspring WILL exhibit black traits, it means a black person mating with a white person will give birth to a child with both dominant and recessive traits and the PROBABILITY of expressing black traits is greater. That offspring will still be MIXED regardless of outward appearance. There are no guarantees there, just mathematics. (i.e. a blue-eyed child of brown-eyed and blue-eyed parents who mates with a brown-eyed child of similar parents has a 25% chance of giving birth to a blue-eyed child, even though brown eyes are the dominant trait)

  • http://www.facebook.com/ron.johnson.31586526 Ron Johnson

    I’m sorry but this light skin, long hair, European looking women should not be labeled as black. Ya’ll don’t get it! We let these mix-breeds call themselves black and then you get mad when the media and society makes them the standard of black beauty.

  • Girl

    Then you get sad when biracial people hate their black heritage and favor the other. I think it’s people like you who make biracial people uncomfortable about accepting both sides of their heritage.

  • Miss Sophia

    I am black and every person in my family is her color or lighter! What does a “black” person look like. You people are ignorant! I have never heard such BS in my life. Black people come in every shade from “white” to “black”! Where do YOU live? I live in the real world!

  • Miss Sophia

    Her mother is a Viscountess! A Viscount is a man.

  • http://www.hairobicsallnatural.com Marissa

    I wish them all the luck in the world. Everyone deserves happiness no matter what other people think.

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