Should We Treat Rappers Who Glorify Rape With ‘Love’?

by Kirsten West Savali

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Marc Lamont Hill‘s HuffPost Live conversations, known among other things for their analytical critiques on issues that matter to the Hip-Hop community and urban culture at large, are often fiery give and takes with thought leaders of the day.  And yesterday’s conversation with Ebony Magazine’s News & Life Editor Jamilah Lemieux, Washington Post columnist Rahiel Tesfamariam, activist and 2008 Green Party vice-presidential candidate Rosa Clemente, and Hip-Hop icon Talib Kweli, did not disappoint.

Jumping right into it with Lil Wayne‘s wildly controversial — and obviously sizzurp/purp/lean induced — lyrics that arguably desecrated the legacy of slain teen, Emmett Till, Hill segued into the Rick Ross controversy that will not go away 1.) Because it shouldn’t; and 2.) Because he offered one of the most ridiculously stupid responses known to (wo)mankind as an excuse.

You see, women are precious to the Hip-Hop community and the streets (You hear that “video hoes,” “bitches” and “tip drills”? You’re precious). And Ross would never use the word rape in a song and all the obviously overwrought women folk simply “misunderstood” him.

Oh.

The ideas shared by the panel were engaging, no surprise there, but things took an interesting turn when Clemente said that she didn’t consider Rick Ross to be a part of Hip-Hop culture.

And Kweli blacked out.

More than at any other point in the conversation, Kweli loudly spoke over Clemente, ignored Hill’s attempts to rein in the run away monologue in defense of Ross’ place in Hip-Hop culture and went completely in mansplaining to Clemente why we need to treat Ross with “love” and not dismissiveness. According to Kweli, we should recognize his contributions to Hip-Hop and that if we begin a conversation with condescension then the battle is already lost.

I agree with Kweli on that point. One of the most memorable pieces of advice I’ve received that I strive to use in my everyday life is: “People might forget what you said, but they never forget how you made them feel.”

But here’s the thing:

Rick Ross is a joke. The only reason he gets any kind of love is because the powers that be decided to make him and his grunts the hot, new minstrel show. If he weren’t getting spins he would have no friends. He stole a man’s name to get rich on his street cred. He pays homage to notorious dope dealers like they’re upstanding pillars of the community. Most importantly, he raps about drugging women to have sex with them when he isn’t squeezing his hefty a*s into a car or shirt that no one wants to see him in.

To quote Lemieux: F*ck Rick Ross.

Yes, it may be strategic to approach him as Jesus would do — all meek, mild and understanding; but I’m not Christian, so I don’t get the appeal. Though Kweli — who is one of my favorite artists of all time in any genre; “Just To Get By” got me through some things — has publicly and loudly denounced Ross, his false equivalency when boldly suggesting that Clemente was just as much a part of the rape culture dynamic as Ross is highly problematic. To be honest, as was Hill’s tentative suggestion that women should be as outraged over Beyoncé screeching “bitch” like she’s at a Houston Bar-be-Que doing the Southside circa 1998 as we are over Rick Ross sputtering about date rape.

Should we also treat racist cops with “love” when they murder our sons?

Should we treat educators with “love” when they cheat our children?

Should we treat imperialistic governments with “love” when they murder and maim in the name of patriotism?

Should we treat politicians with “love” when they wage war on people living in poverty while protecting corporate interests?

Hell no.

Then why should we approach Rick Ross with love when he has shown nothing but utter contempt and disdain for women since he waddled into the game?

There is clearly a “Blue Line” in Hip-Hop; I get it. But it is not up to the women who feel disrespected to validate his right to exist in the music industry before addressing misogynistic lyrics that have the potential to greatly influence young men. Yes, he is a huge factor in Hip-Hop culture, whether we like it or not, but he is not now, nor will he — in his current state — be deserving of women’s “love.”

And to suggest that the method by which women approach the issue of misogyny in Hip-Hop is a cause of its continuation, sounds a little bit too much like victim-blaming for me to feel comfortable with.

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Follow Kirsten West Savali on Twitter at @KWestSavali.

  • http://twitter.com/Author_JGail J. Gail (@Author_JGail)

    I heard this talk and while I agree with his point about approaching people with love, I think he’s giving Rick Ross and others way too much of a pass. He’s a brother and fellow rap artist so of course he’s going to have a fellow black man’s back, but there comes a time when you have to step up, step out and tell the truth as a man when something may be hurting your community.

  • The Moon in the Sky

    These questions can’t be for real. Who is being too hard on black male rappers?
    ‘We’ don’t have to consider sh*t when expecting these creatures to not casually talk about and/or commit rape.

  • Sasha

    Didn’t Jamilah Lemieux used to be a writer for Clutch? I remember her submitting good articles but I haven’t seen any lately. Glad to see her career is going strong. Anyways back to the subject at hand. I dig Talib as an artist but it isn’t up to us to recreate the love Rick Ross and other rappers like him clearly didn’t receive from their parents. Misogyny, racism, etc. are not qualities people are born with, they are taught these things and the culture of this country is rife with these ills, along with the ever present rape culture. These men are old enough to recognize these ills in society and instead of speaking out against them or doing better, they decide to feed directly into the culture and perpetuate it, all for what? A paycheck. They don’t need to be coddled or treated with love or respect, they need to be called out for their stupidity. They know better and they truly do not care. This couldn’t be more evident with Rick Ross boldly explaining away date rape because he “didn’t use the word rape and loves all of his queens”. Right. This is not me being condescending, it’s me recognizing bullsh*t for what it is and calling a spade a spade.

  • http://gravatar.com/aarickawashington TheMuseintheMirror

    You lost me when you started going on your brief, but hurtful Anti-Christian rant. All in all, I agree with you though. Ugh…I wish Black people will start to wake up their minds. No, we are not being too hard on rappers. They are supposed to be men, not little boys after all. At least I thought so.

    We need more real men in this world. I’m tired of listening to the same ol’ excuse.

  • Sasha

    I haven’t heard that song and consider R. Ross to be a clown but a part of me can’t help but feel that if he so casually put something like that in his song then he isn’t too far from doing it, if he hasn’t done it already.

  • Joan

    “…he waddled into the game?”

    LOL!!!!

    Fabulous piece. ;)

  • AJW

    Let those “other” women they seem to love so much mammy for them. These are males who spit venom in the faces of black women & girls. They promote killing other black men. They encourage drug use. How in the world could they suggest this mess! LOVE!? What the hell is there to love? These types of people weather famous or not are toxic to our communities! Sorry but I can’t show ” love” to them. I ONLY support positi vity & there are many blacks out here, men, women & children that NEED our focus. I’d rather shine a light on them.

  • JNoire

    Yes, a thousand times yes, to everything you just said.

  • Come On

    What skill? Most of these mainstream rappers don’t have any skill. I’m over mainstream rap, and I don’t really get why people act as if these people are producing great music with good lyrical content. All these men are doing is producing good beats and catchy choruses and new slang. Many of them aren’t even doing the beats. I can’t believe we jump all up and down over these subpar music “artists” when we are the ethnic group that has probably introduced the most creativity to the music world in the past century. We have jazz, disco, rock and roll, funk, blues, R&B, and hip hop, and this whatever mainstream, hip hop has become.

    And how is Beyonce saying the b word anything like him rapping about date rape? It is not.

    This is what happens when you reward bad behavior. Idiots will be idiots, and they now get rewarded for being idiots, so why change?

  • AnGe – Stubbornly Indecisive

    lmao at “since he waddled into the game”

    but anywho, i don’t think I understand Kweli’s idea. The only thing that brings about change in any forum is money. If people didn’t buy Ross’s music, he would lose whatever endorsements he may have, wouldn’t be hired for gigs, and wouldn’t get spins.

    Just like if people stopped watching CNN for their questionable coverage or any of these silly reality shows. The numbers will create a change. I don’t see women going to Rick Ross with chamomile tea and a fruit platter to discuss rape culture. We as women, the primary consumers of hip hop need to take control and change the numbers. These clowns running around calling women out of their name amongst other things should not have our money in their pockets.

    Issue is, is it a big enough issue for that many women? Clearly not, since all of these acts get worse and worse (Tyga, Rick Ross, Lil Wayne, Drake, Kanye West) and yet women still show up for the video shoot fighting for the chance to be 1st place in the baddest bitch contest.

    I myself am a lover of all things ratchet. I do find myself struggling not to listen to a few of my ratchet anthems. But its what needs to be done if we want our culture to reflect something different. Women have to think differently first. You can’t tear Rick Ross a new one and then purchase two tickets for 2 Chainz. If we’re saying no to misogyny then lets say no and mean it.

    but this is all easier said than done…

  • AJW

    Typo meant to ask how He could suggest something like that.

  • Orange Starr Happy Hunting

    If you are going to address the misogyny in hip hop then it should be done as a whole.
    Rick Ross obviously is a part of the current hip hop culture and seems to be ignorant as to what constitutes rape, but this could be a good teaching moment not only for him but for all the young boys and men who listen to Ross’ music regarding rape. That would have been a much more beneficial dialog imo.

  • Kirsten West Savali

    @TheMuseintheMirror:

    Thank you for your honest feedback. I must admit, I couldn’t figure out what you could have possibly found offensive in me saying that Jesus meek, mild and understanding. Or what you found hurtful about me saying that I’m not Christian.

    In re-reading, I realized that the way the sentence was constructed, it appeared as if I were calling Jesus a traitor to Black people; when in fact, I was referring to Rick Ross. As in, I’m not Christian, so I don’t embrace that approach in this situation — primarily because Ross is a traitor to Black people.

    Though I’m not Christian, I would never randomly attack religion , especially in an article that has nothing to do with it and I really hate that it came across that way — even in error. I have edited that sentence so that it more accurately conveys my thoughts.

    Thank you for your statement. It allowed me to clarify for anyone else who may have been offended.

    K

  • Kirsten West Savali

    Thank you, Sis!

  • noir45

    Here’s what I don’t get. C. Delores Tucker, during the days of NWA, rallied around changing the way women were treated in regard to rap lyrics. People ridiculed her and practically threw her to the wolves. The chickens have come home to roost.

    These rappers are a part of the selling game. They are the puppets, the music executives are the puppet masters. As long as these puppets are gonna make money for the “masters,” they’ll continue to push the envelope. As long as people buy into this garbage, they’ll continue to produce it.

  • April

    Hell no. And the same should be done to others like him. This shit is helping perpetuate this disgusting rape culture we live in. We as consumers need to do better. The only way rappers and other artists (because it’s not just hip hop) will start being more conscious about what they put in their songs is if we show them that’s not what we want and we’re not having any of it every time they do things like this.

  • Kema

    I wonder… If a man were to slip something in Ross’s drink without him knowing and decided to ‘enjoy that’ and ‘he aint even know’ what would that be considered?

  • Marisa

    Its just a reflection of society that glorifies violence against women this goes beyond just some rappers. Just look at reality television that glorifies violence against women by other women. This situation with the rape trial in Ohio recently that turned the town upside down because the alleged perpetrators were football players, and the girl was drunk and passed out. Look at the woman in India that died from her injuries after a gang rape, I saw on PBS activists saying how little prosecution happens for rapists because the attitudes there are that rape is not a big deal in India.

    Matter of fact one of their biggest movies there shows a violent rape that was applauded. This is something that goes beyond the wack rappers because this issue was around before and will be after these lames like Rick Ross and that vile troll Waynes careers are up in smoke. We gotta start looking at ourselves because their only reflecting attitudes of others because a lot of these sleazy lyrics for over a decade and more have been readily accepted by the public. I say when society as a whole stop accepting senseless violence against all then we might be getting somewhere.

  • Dalili

    My thinking precisely @Sasha. If we keep shifting the goal post in terms of accountability, it won’t be long before these violent, disturbing lyrics morph into music videos.

    And I say, no we shouldn’t show them one iota of love, not for this insanity. If we did we would be co-signing that rape and all other forms of violence are ok. No!

  • stef

    if you follow talib on twitter like i do, you will not be surprised by his comments, he defends ALL rappers from ross to 2chainz he has epic twitter beefs with people who counter that rappers like these do not reflect real hip hop.

  • http://gravatar.com/jamesfrmphilly jamesfrmphilly

    any body remember shabba ranks?

    he was hot at one point until he said some stuff about gays. they turned his career OFF. we need to excursive some discipline toward hip hop.

    there are many jazz musicians who could use some love.

  • noir45

    You know, when you mentioned “violence toward women,” I thought about that tape of the father beating his daughters for twerking and how tons of people thought it was perfectly fine because he was “disciplining them.” Even women thought this cockroach of a “man” was justified. Men called these girls ungodly names, yet these same men are probably the ones clicking the links and jacking off to young girls twerking.

    Yes, indeed. Our society is indeed sick, and many are so desensitized to the violent culture we live in. I mean, many believe a woman deserve to get raped. It’s scary.

    I sure hope that parents start instilling values in their children in order to shield them from this madness. Hopefully, the children will listen.

  • Sasha

    “Yes, indeed. Our society is indeed sick, and many are so desensitized to the violent culture we live in. I mean, many believe a woman deserve to get raped. It’s scary.”

    I’ve really really been thinking about this hard lately and the above part of your comment stuck with me. Our culture is OBSESSED with gratuitous and pointless displays of violence so much so that people can sit through these slasher films or television shows like CSI or even WorldStarHipHop videos without so much as flinching. I can’t even make it through a depiction of a rape scene without flinching, turning away from the screen or feeling like I am going to throw up. During the rape scene in The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, I started shaking and finally got up, walked out of the movie and didn’t come back until 10 minutes later when I was sure it was over. I’ve never been sexually assaulted so if these visions invoke such powerful feelings, I can only imagine how seeing these things would make somone feel who has been through that trauma. After last night’s episode of The Following I decided “no more” and it’s the last episode I will ever watch of that show, I’m tired of seeing people killed, maimed and assaulted for no reason, seemingly serving no purpose to the show. There is something wrong with this country.

  • stef

    shabba was shunned by the record companies, because white gays made a big problem of his lyrics, but he is still very hot and respected in the caribbean community.

    too me that speaks more about the power that gays and jews have in the music industry

  • Marisa

    Yes that’s the thing look at how this twerking has become this new dance when its nothing but booty shaking, that loads of men have been watching and co-signing a lot of these girls are YOUNG. Young enough to be their daughters, my mom always says that while we want to be angry by our kids choices but, a lot of parents have frankly done a craptastic job with their children. Like mama said if you raise em wrong blame yourself. That dad and their mom should look at themselves in the mirror.

    Also you bring up a point with the fact it was taped violence is glorified, look at how all these street fights between this and that one baby mama, ex friends and family fighting. The somebody video tapes it and runs to put it on youtube and the biggest offender is that damn World Star Hiphop. When are people going to finally come for World Star Hiphop pure and utter trash. People’s petty beefs and fights they cant wait post to the world. We had one in the Bronx were I live were two high school girls were beefing and decided to force their 7 year old sisters to fight each other, it was so sad they were crying saying they didn’t want to fight.

    Of course the trash was posted online and those fools were arrested and charged should be put under the jail. A young baby is shot in Chicago while some fool shoots her father, we live in a society that promotes violence, how then are authorities going to stop it.

  • Marisa

    Your right brotha I remember when Shabba went off haven’t seen him since have we but, if he had just dissed women he probably would have be just fine. You bring up Jazz which at 36 was a part of my upbringing I loved how Cosby incorporated that on his show. Look at what has become of R&B its become a lost genre in a way. Talk about no love our soul singers have gotten kicked to the curb literally, the only way to top the charts is a rapper, or pop singer. Look at Adele this chick hits high notes and is considered a soul artist sells 20 million records, has number one songs, while actual soul/R&B acts who could sing her under the table get no shine.

  • http://gravatar.com/jamesfrmphilly jamesfrmphilly

    agreed and i’m trying to say that black people need to flex our power.

  • Trisha

    Simply put – No, we should not.

    By not embracing Rick Ross, rappers, or anyone else who dehumanize others for wealth is the only way we can stop this disrespect towards women. Now more than ever, it seems as though we have so many artists, people in general, where money is their god. So they will do almost anything for it. We (consumers/society) have to stop them. As the article stated, we don’t love racist cops, educators cheating our children, Etc… and in our community—we don’t stand for it. We must apply those same tactics towards these rappers. Don’t show the love by glorifying them at all or by purchasing their music. Not only that, before Rick Ross spit out these lyrics or other rappers, we need to ensure our sons don’t refer to women with the B word and our daughters don’t answer to it. It’s not cute and it’s derogatory.

    “…when he isn’t squeezing his hefty a*s into a car or shirt that no one wants to see him in.” I know this is a serious matter, but that statement was too funny. . smh! This was a great article and so true. Why should we tolerate this behavior? We have a voice, we speak up against all other wrongs, and this situation shouldn’t be any different. This issue is just as important b/c I think we forget music is very influential.

  • dmac

    THANK YOU KIRSTEN.

    I am beyond tired of Kweli’s apologetics and I was so glad a fellow rapper (Lupe) challenged him on it. I actually agree with the idea that demonstrated love earns you the right to challenge someone’s behavior in a way that truly inspires him or her to change. HOWEVER, once that person begins attacking others (whether recognized as such or not), consequences are necessary, including ones that may be exclusionary or dismissive. If one of my students (whom I love) acts violently, I don’t have a warm gentle talk with him, I remove him from the room because I care about all of the other kids and their safety as well. And he is not welcome back until he makes amends and shows respect. Kweli cares about the artists themselves, but seems to care little for those who continue to be hurt by their messages.

    Secondly, just because hip hop was not the original cause of misogyny, etc. does not mean it is not a contributor. If we only address the “root causes” of things, we won’t ever address anything! You could trace every bad thing that ever happens today back to something bad that happened long ago involving people long dead. These grown men are still responsible for the words they unleash on the world.

  • GlowBelle

    Naw. We should NOT show love. Rick Ross isn’t paying my bills, so I should pay him no mind. A lot of these ‘rappers’ aren’t doing a damn thing to uplift, so why should we uplift them? They aren’t showing the love towards us as they continue to treat women like low-rate trash and put the all mighty dollar over everything else. Yes, we, Black people, created hip-hop and shouldn’t forget that, but a group of individuals turned it into a monster and tarnished what used to be an art form into a tool for violence and hate. I don’t want to cuddle up and love that. You are so right, these guys aren’t even TALENTED, and it amazes me that they still get support and why we are constantly being told to support these sub-par artists. Some people are blind to how fools like Ross are insulting them, they are too dazzled by the beats and the riches and aren’t seeing what’s really going on, and that is sad.

    Once again, the ball will continue to drop on this conversation because nobody wants to admit to do the opposite, to actually stop buying the music, to stop paying any attention to them. This ideal is esp. lost on men because they aren’t the focus of date rape lyrics, they aren’t on the receiving end which is why rape culture is real, and why Kweli is throwing out this “love him” crap. Still it’s obvious the guy doesn’t want to burn bridges because no matter what ‘conscious’ thing he raps about, he’s still a part of the problem, even though not directly. I’m sorry, but it gets pretty tiring after awhile to constantly be taking up and supporting people who obviously never will learn and never have your best interest.

  • http://twitter.com/Author_JGail J. Gail (@Author_JGail)

    “If one of my students (whom I love) acts violently, I don’t have a warm gentle talk with him, I remove him from the room because I care about all of the other kids and their safety as well. ”

    This says it all. Showing love to people is extremely important, but when they are actively hurting other people society needs to get in their ass. Jesus preached love, but he still tore up that temple when he found greedy sellers in there taking advantage of people. I’d think more conscious black men, particularly rappers like Talib, would be righteously angry when they see the negative effects of lyrics on the urban community.

  • http://www.prettygirlsrockdresses.com Dea Win

    Great piece! I absolutely abhor Rick Ross……hip hop is losing a bit of it’s credibility; we have made mere lames Bosses…….I wish he would just fade away. It is scary how women are disrespected by the masses!

  • texaschainsawlovin’

    Kirsten West Savali I love you! That is all.

  • Kay

    I think that we should hold people responsible for the actions, whether they are established rappers or not. I think we as a people get so hung up on protecting our own that we are afraid to openly admonish people for the foolery that flies out of their mouths. It’s okay to say, “Look, we know you are an entertainer, but come on!! That ish you just said is reprehensible! Do better!” I get so tired of us giving “love,” to people who don’t seem to respect that love. They’d sooner make a video mocking the merits of African Americans than stand up to the record execs and tell them to shove it.

  • Shirl

    HELLO !!!!

  • Martin

    I agree with Talib. While you may not like the music that these rappers make, you have to understand that they and the music they make are a product of the market ( I can elaborate if you want). And while I understand and hate outsiders coming in and selling us garbage, these Black rappers come from our community. If it a racist cop shooting up our neighborhood I say fight back, push them out. But if it’s a product of your community. If your child messes up, you don’t fight them or hate them you help them find the right path. If you get rid of Rick Ross, another one will pop up, if we change the culture something positive will come about….

  • http://daphnedebauchee.com daphne debauchee

    This comment needs to be moved to first position.

  • LKJ

    I could not disagree with you more. This attitude that you are taking towards them will only serve to perpetuate the problems in the community and will produce more rappers who think it is okay to equate beating up pussy with the vicious beating and murder of a 14 year old, or produce young men who don’t think that drugging a girl and then sleeping with her is rape.

    These men are not role models, they don’t need to be held up as a standard for any child to aspire to, but at the very least they should know better than to set such a horrible negative example.

  • Dalili

    Truer words were never spoken @dmac!

  • http://twitter.com/RalphKenolEsq Ralph Kenol (@RalphKenolEsq)

    It seems odd that we would get so concerned over one aspect of the world that exists in the music of Rick Ross. Let’s be clear, Rick Ross has created the image of a major drug dealer. It’s a world where murder, violence and criminality literally dominate. There are no accountants or dentists in his world. (Who does dental work on the streets anyway? Could be some money there..) It’s literally the seventh circle of hell. Yet, we have decided to become concerned when he talks about Molly? Where do we suppose all of the “keys” and “birds” he raps about end up? Is it to make dolphin sculptures? What about the celebration of murder and violence? HE IS NAMED AFTER A MAJOR DRUG DEALER. To be clear: The problem is not that Rick Ross rapped about Molly. The problem is that Rick Ross is making millions because he celebrates community dysfunction and no one seems to have a problem with that. Will it take a rapper to call himself “KKK N%^&) for us to see the problem? We probably won’t get upset unless KKK N%^& says something about gays. Moving cargo planes of weight and having guns the size of lil Bow Wow… No problem. Then again, let’s just have a white guy recite any Rick Ross song and see how many people get upset.

  • April

    Blaming black women for big problems, how novel…

  • Gina Wild

    No, we shouldn’t treat them with love. We have to condemn them and stop buying their cd’s and going to their concerts. We have to put pressure on the record labels, and their sponsors.

    But for this boycott to work it has to be about more than just Rick Ross for most of them write disgusting lyrics. Eminem raps about killing his wife, and raping his own mother (that’s murder, rape, and incest). He makes homophobic lyrics but Elton John of all people performed a song with him during an award show. Honestly, I don’t remember hearing and reading about a boycott campaing of slim shady’s music… Is it because he’s European-American???

    Really, this is Deeper Than Rap (ironically the title of a RIck Ross album). Misogyny and the objectification of women in America is rampant. In sports, TV commercials, in movies. I mean almost everywhere.

  • http://www.myblackfriendsays.com myblackfriendsays

    I think it’s interesting that the same site that posts articles about fat shaming Kim Kardashian has no problem making insulting remarks about Rick Ross’ size. I am in no way defending Rick Ross’ lyrics, but to make such unnecessary attacks about his size detracts from the strength of the overall message.

  • Gina Wild

    Amen to that! I’m glad I’m not the onlywho feels the same. What Rick Ross did is not ok but making fun at his physique is uncalled for. I don’t how it helps the situation.

  • aaliyah10

    That’s why I have a love/hate relationship with Talib. He’s a great rapper but he hates to call out other rappers even when he knows their wrong. That bothers me

  • aaliyah10

    The sad part is even MANY black women turned on Ms. Tucker. She said rap was only going to get worse and she was right.

  • cupcakes and shiraz

    Well, I don’t like KK, but fat-shaming her is ridiculous considering that she’s pregnant (and not even all of that fat). I don’t see any excuse for Rick Ross being disgustingly morbidly obese.

  • Gina Wild

    Would you say the same thing about Gabouré Sidibé or other fat female celebreties? There are a lot of men out there.

  • Gina Wild

    *a lot of THEM, i meant to say*

  • cupcakes and shiraz

    Actually, I would. Morbid obesity is not healthy nor has it ever been- especially for black people. People are just too ashamed and politically correct to tell the truth.

  • Chic Noir

    Tell it tell tell it AJW. The mammies have got to let these sorts of brothers go.

  • Chic Noir

    Yes Mr. James, jazz needs a major star. A young woman to make it to Rihanna’s level.

  • Epic

    Yaaaaaaaz Kema! Yaaaazzzzzzzzz!

  • http://gravatar.com/queenjahneen queenjahneen

    He has to learn respect first. Boots from the Coup had a line in a song for his child that said if someone hits you, hit them back and THEN negotiate a peace contract. That makes sense to me, or else they’ll never respect you. Yes, we all want to be “good” people, which seems to be where this is coming from, but if it is not rooted in truth or justice is it love? And ultimately, if you “love” people who don’t respect you, you will get walked on.. and “love” has to do with self-love first. If you love yourself, you’ll whoop his ass, and give hugs later after he’s repented.

  • http://www.soulcityradio.com DeWayne Alston

    Although I understand what Talib Kweli was saying in taking a ‘love’ approach to addressing Rick Ross on this issue, I have to say that he is an adult and I refuse to address an adult as if he is some wayward child, not cogniscent of the impact his words have on his audience. It can be said that he’s not according to his on air response to the situation while on Funkmaster Flex’s show. The idea that not actually saying the word rape is enough to make his lyrics not condone it is pretty condescending and quite appalling. It’s apparent that he just doesn’t have a clue.

  • Koko the Square

    That lady Rosa Clemente is ridiculous. The “Rap Industrial Complex”? SMH
    In 2013, people need to put to rest adding “industrial complex” after everything that they spot outside their house.
    And, she opened herself up for Kalib to take her to the woodshed with that No True Scotsman fallacy. “Yeah, I don’t consider Rick Ross Hip-Hop [because I don't like him].”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
    It doesn’t make her have a “radical perspective” to deny Rick Ross and Lil Wayne being part of Hip-Hop. It just means she has to take a basic philosophy course before going on TV or educate herself on cognitive dissonance.

  • the lioness

    I question if the author watched the same Huff Post video that I did. The assesment models used in this article are different. Those and the issue here are just not the same exemplification. There has to be some type of “loving” tough love or we would never get anywhere. Correction with love doesn’t mean you condone, it doesn’t mean you give a pass, it does mean that you raise the standard and show how and why those words and lack of sincerity in action are contemptuous and insolent.

  • black_feminist

    The remarks about Rick Ross’ size might be unkind, but ….”detracts from the strength of the overall message.”?? That’s quite a stretch. Kirsten’s critique of Ross is rock solid! Sorry, it does not take anything away from the truths she imparted.

  • Noname

    I think Mr. Kweli meant that instead of going at Rick “The Rufi” Ross with the pitchforks and torches we need to WWJD the situation. Jesus woulda sat him down and been like, “Listen Ricky, it’s just not cool. Think if it was your daughter/sister/mom.” Maybe educate him about the devastation of rape on it’s victims. Or suggested counseling to figure out why he is desensitized and condoning it. Sounds like some deep seeded issues there.

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