It looks like Rick Ross’ rapey lyrics still have folks talking, and rightfully so.

Earlier this week, rappers Talib Kweli and Lupe Fiasco engaged in an enlightening and refreshing discussion about whether or not artists should release more responsible lyrics, and Tuesday evening Kweli and journalist dream hampton continued the debate.

Despite calling Ross’ lyrics, which detailed date rape, “unacceptable,” Hampton took Kweli to task for his assertion that fans should lovingly correct Ross because the former corrections officer is “a misguided 40-year-old person.”

What could have been another eye opening, refreshing tête-à-tête about misogyny in hip hop quickly turned into a public spat among friends.

Check some of the tweets.

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Read the entire twitter conversation here

Although their conversation seemed to get quite personal at times, with Kweli taking a shot at hamtpon’s Twitter hiatus after overzealous Beyonce fan’s took a jab at her daughter, their conversation was still necessary.

It is extremely important that we continue to hold Rick Ross’ feet to the fire for his heinous lyrics. Though he may have called them a “misunderstanding,” his words clearly encouraged date rape. Moreover, the fact that Ross claims he would never condone rape in his rhymes–after actually condoning rape his rhymes–is even more problematic.

While it is not the responsibility of rappers to parent our youth, Ross’ lyrics continue to muddy the waters about what behaviors actually constitute rape. And with folks like Tyler Perry still perpetuating the “no may mean yes” myth, our task to educate our young men about always getting a woman’s explicit consent before engaging in a sex act is absolutely crucial.

The statistics surrounding sexual violence in our communities are astounding. And with 60% of black girls having experienced some form of sexual assault before their 18th birthday, it’s imperative we continue to shine a light on this issue and have constructive conversations that lead to solutions.

  • Orange Starr Happy Hunting

    Blah blah blah

  • Sasha

    If by “blah blah blah” you mean the drivel Talib is tweeting then yes I’ll agree. He’s starting to sound like Charlie Brown’s teacher. I watched the HuffPo broadcast and was extremely put off by how condescending he was towards the one woman he was going back and forth with. I completely lost it when he stated that Rick Ross was a misguided 40 year old man and should be approached with love. Talib you’ve been dismissed, you are the weakest link, thanks for playing.

  • Kyli

    maybe b/c im not a hardcore hip ho/rap fan and rarely listen to it but I am so tired of hearing about this story. I just feel like i got it i got it RAPE..BAD…RICK ROSS ..EVIL RAPING PIG..BAD..sheesh i wish this story would die, rick ross aint changing a damn thing about his lyrics or persona and neither are the rest so while i understand the reasoning for all this “academic dialogue on misogyny in hip hop” ..enough has been said on this particular lyric …

  • http://www.urbanexpressive.com J. Nicole

    I didn’t watch the video, and while its easy to juxtapose Rick Ross as bad & Talib as good, he is not without his skeletons so I’m not surprised about what you are saying.

    I do believe a lot of people are misguided and a product of their surroundings but Rick Ross is no longer in the hood, so his surroundings at this point are that of someone who has access to knowing better. I don’t expect him to change up, especially after his attempt to clear up his lyrics. Either he REALLY is that dumb that he doesn’t see the connection, or he thinks the public is dumb enough to buy it.

  • stef

    the biggest take away from this, you difficult next to impossible to have a clear convo in 140 characters. if you have the person # like dream did call them rather then trying to put them on blast

  • Mademoiselle

    As difficult as it is, I like that they are having these dialogues publicly. It lets me know that dialogues within the industry are taking place, and it gives me a sense of whether any of them “get it” and are trying to make a change — better than reading the post script interviews about what might’ve been said.

  • Blue

    We shouldn’t expect an artist to be parents to our kids but on the flip side they have a high influence on most kids. They should take some sort of responsibility in what they choose to put in their lyrics.

  • http://www.facebook.com/kelley.johnson.75436 Kelley Johnson

    Good for dream hampton. Sick of black women being told we need to protect and coddle black men while they denigrate and attack us. Fuck Rick Ross and Talib Kewli.

  • http://www.gallimaufry.ws T.

    What I gather from this exchange is that it’s tricky to have a public difference of opinion with a friend over a controversial issue. Talib Kweli seemed to take offence that someone he considered his friend called him out in public, instead of having a private conversation with him.

    I disagree with him that friends don’t challenge each other, especially publicly. Being a friend doesn’t mean that you have to agree with or support everything the other person says or does. Sometimes part of being a friend is checking/correcting someone when you think they are wrong. I think that Kweli’s response to dream seems consistent with the perspective he seems to have about the whole Rick Ross situation, which is that it’s somehow unacceptable to have dissent between members of the shared hip-hop community. I think that dissent and the dialogue that emerges from it are important to really move forward. Somebody needs to challenge the status quo.

    Anyway, I don’t think dream was wrong to comment on his remarks in public because he made them in a public venue, and as part of a very public debate, and they are both public figures. It is dream’s right (and I think she also sees it as her responsibility, as a feminist hip hop head and cultural critic) to enter into that debate in the public forum, and to try to enrich it or add to it by her contribution. I don’t think it was meant as an attack against Kweli as a person, just a disagreement with his opinion. I was surprised at how quickly Kweli turned thewhole thing petty and personal. It’s interesting that he was able to have that calm and reasoned Twitter convo with Lupe Fiasco a couple of days back, but with dream it went downhill rapidly.

  • http://www.gallimaufry.ws T.

    I see your point. Tone is hard to interpret on the internet, and I’m not sure how dream meant those initial comments to come across.

    I interpreted it as a kind of teasing between friends to soften the blow of her criticism, like “I think you are dead wrong about this, and I think you can do/be better, but in the meantime you’re my friend and I love you anyway.” But I do see how it could come across kind of snotty and smug.

    She could have been more straightforward with her remarks, instead of trying to be funny or clever or cute (or passive-aggressive?) or whatever she was trying to be when she put it the way she did. But I still think Kweli’s reaction was not entirely warranted, and took it to a place it really didn’t need to go. Less-than-ideal deportment on both sides.

  • Hehe

    Ugh Dream is so arrogant I cant stand her. I actually watched Talib on huffpost and thought he did a decent job. He didn’t excuse Rick Ross behavior but I do agree with dream that he should’ve went harder but instead of being condescending to her “friend” why not have a dialog similar to Lupe’s response to Talib. This woman is out for attention and her message is usually lost because of her antics.

  • wfm

    Dream Hampton helps misogynistic rappers write books. Dream have two seats!

  • Gina Wild

    This Rick Ross character must be a big guy (no pun intended) to generate these many articles in a week, and I know there’ll at least be one more this week. A woman organization is supposed to protest today at a Reebok store in NYC. Hopefully, they’ll boycott other rappers and singers that objectify women.

  • the lioness

    I used to follow Dream on social media. While I still respect her and think she is a genius, she can be a hypocrite. When you don’t agree with her, her exchanges seem to be curt and brash. Her tone is often harsh and she knows it is. She just doesn’t care, and THAT is the problem.

    Authentic friends should task and challenge one another, but it needs to be done in a real way. Who wants to listen to someone angry all of the time? I was disappointed at the exchange, not because it happened. I was disappointed at how it happened.

    The dialogue was needed and quite frankly it was overdue. We can’t have the same people fighting the same fight. Dream is a resilient and resounding voice, but she can’t do it alone. I appreciate her and her spirit and hope that this discourse actually fosters movement.

  • the lioness

    She has challenged those rappers as well. She is transparent in that regard.

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