Juror B-37

Juror B37 was a test. For all of us. And I’m not sure I passed.

Because during my miseducation, I was taught to be afraid of white women. All ‘–isms’ are fears and I was afraid to die. Growing up I was “taught” (through the TV shows, tall tales, and “nuh-uh!” stories that piece together to form childhood) that messing with a “white girl” would get you killed. As a young man only beginning to understand the complexities of race, that was the lesson I took from Emmett Till’s abduction and murder. He had whistled at a white girl – a capital offense. Just like walking home at night. Growing up and beginning to date, that whistle still echoed in my ears. I was already fending off accusations of “acting white.” A white girlfriend would’ve been a mea culpa. And anyway, dating white women was for athletes.

But I’m slowly beginning to understand my childhood and teenage fears that allowed these ‘isms’ to take root. As a younger man, I was vaguely aware of the dual racism and sexism of the trophy white girlfriend.  The sexism of reducing a woman into a status symbol and the self-hating racism of exoticizing her whiteness as “pure” or “unique.” I looked down at my black peers who bought into that. Didn’t they know that white women helped kill Emmett Till? I’m reminded of the late comic Patrice O’Neal, himself charged in the assault of a white woman, joking: “White women make me nervous. Like at night when they by they self…walkin towards me… [thinking] “I hope he doesn’t grab me” and I’m thinking the same thing like, “I hope nobody kills this white woman ‘cause I’mma get blamed for it.”

There’s truth there, though my miseducators and teenaged self were incorrect to lay the blame at the feet of white women. The wicked, temptress white woman is a construction of the white imagination meant to justify the brutality of white male vigilantism. Not only did they imagine the black man as a monster whose terror necessitates vigilantism, the white woman is the frail, virginal damsel that must be protected at all costs. The cost usually being the death of black men. These constructions both serve the same purpose: easily recognizable racial tropes meant to justify and indemnify American disregard for black, male life.

Certainly, we have every reason to derogate the thoroughly corrupted, and insultingly named, “justice” system, but misogyny must always be rooted out. In white culture, white women are damsels that must be protected from black men. In black culture, white women entrap black men, ultimately leading to their death or imprisonment. These narratives revolve around the ugly American history of racist vigilantism. Black myths of white womanhood are used to warn black men of the racist justice system and white myths are used to give white men impunity when they choose to kill black men. What I’m emphasizing here is how white women have no agency, as seductress or otherwise. They are pawns in a system of narratives used to remove white male culpability in the genocide of young black men.

As a teenager, I only saw “white girls” at the center of a complicated history between black people and white people. Rather than the system itself, I bought into the misogyny in the culture, which blamed these women as the arbiters of racism. I ignored the greater truth: that white women were only appropriated into these narratives, with the ultimate goal of strengthening the white male right to violence. Years later, I knew that my fear of white women came from myths which used misogyny for legibility to warn me against the system of violent, white oppression. That’s what killed Emmett Till. That’s what killed Trayvon Martin. And that’s what scared me away from white women.

It with this mindset that I watched Juror B37. She told the story as well as any of us could have. A White Knight with his “heart in the right place,” justified in killing (but not murdering) a Black man. Shrouded in darkness, Juror B37 recounted the tired narrative of racial and sexual anxiety and criminality that condemned Emmett, Trayvon and countless other young, black men to death. And that’s when I failed my test. The English language has a remarkably large number of ways to say “do harm to a woman.” That night it seemed I knew them all. My mind was a vengeful blaze of punishments for this hateful woman. I hated her. I hated her and I forgot.

I had forgotten every page I’d ever read about uplifting women. About empathizing with people regardless of their race. It was all I could do not to hop onto the #jurorb37 hash-tag with “this white bitch right here…” And then I remembered. If someone can make you “forget” that you respect women, you don’t respect women. I had to hold myself accountable. I was the one that let myself fall into that trap, not some siren-temptress white woman. Erykah Badu says it best: “i will not pop 4u or break 4u or hate for u or even hate u” My hate was displaced. However unwittingly, Juror B-37 was co-signing a series of myths that let white men shoot and kill black boys with impunity. These myths turn into murders. Hating this woman only fuels the stereotype of the criminal black man threatening white women. Juror B-37 was the test of my empathy and my commitment to breaking these racist and sexist systems of myth, murder and misogyny. I need to break the myth, not the women who believe in it. I won’t hate these women or judge them or let their fears make me. I have a renewed commitment to fighting the myths and the misogyny: I will not reflect my racist or sexist anxieties onto them as though they were strangers walking alongside me in the night.

  • Yvette

    I don’t understand what he’s talking about.

  • Darcy

    Maybe other readers can break this down. I’m confused too. I was with him until he started making it seem like white women have no role in being racist and are victims just like us of a racist system. Obviously, not all white women are racist , but just like white men they can be too.

  • http://gravatar.com/mimiandy1683 MimiLuvs

    Once again (as I was reading this article), I was reminded by what my father said “Individuals will turn into a group of superheroes, when they see a white woman’s tears.”
    The author could believe/think/feel whatever he/she wants to feel…
    I am feeling the opposite, however.
    I’ve witnessed too many incidents where white women were just as racist and vile just like their male counterparts.
    So, I cannot and I will not consider a white woman as a “tool that white men use to justify murdering black men/boys”.

  • SayWhat

    They are pawns in a system of narratives used to remove white male culpability in the genocide of young black men…..Seriously?! So once again it is the evil white man’s fault? Because white women are incapable of hate, prejudice? I can’t with this right now…..

    Black men’s kryptonite……white women

  • StrangerDanger

    This article was . . . different.

    My biggest issue is this line:

    “What I’m emphasizing here is how white women have no agency, as seductress or otherwise. They are pawns in a system of narratives used to remove white male culpability in the genocide of young black men.”

    Just as the author chose not to buy into the narrative of “entrapment by white women”, white women have a choice to buy into the narrative of the “dangerous black male”, the one where any black man is profiled as having criminal intent until proven otherwise.

    We’ve all been exposed to stereotypes about other races and it really comes down to if/how we apply them to real life situations. That being said, I refuse to believe that white women have no agency, or bear no culpability. It’s even slightly paternalistic to view them as a group without agency, and it reinforces the very damsel in distress notion the author claims to be against.

    Juror B37 CHOSE to accept the narrative of the dangerous black man. PERIOD, though not all white women may make the same choice. Still, when someone acts shamefully, or at the very least, words her rationale imprudently, people will respond with indignation, and rightfully so.

    I appreciated the rest of your perspective though . . and in general, it’s probably a good call to wait a minute before posting a heated rant to social media, which you might later regret.

  • Aria

    First of all, Emmett Till did not whistle at the white woman, he was framed. Emmett was practically a boy. Lets remember that in those days white supremacists would try anything to rid anyone who weren’t similar to them. There were cases similar to this where black men were framed and hung or beaten to death.

    No, not all white women are racists but that doesn’t mean that the ones who are racist are the ones excluded from the bunch. Racism is Racism doesn’t matter if it comes from a man or woman.

    After reading this article I am puzzled on the full point that it is trying to make…….but that’s as far as I understood….

  • Natalie B.

    Juror B37 chose to participate in the narrative because it keeps her on the pedestal. That’s why they all participate in it.

    The narrative needs to be re-written, holding all of “them” accountable. They get away with everything by shedding a quick tear and acting victimized. It’s disgusting.

  • Mademoiselle

    There will probably never come a day when I feel the need to make white women my personal cause. I would be a fool to think white women are somehow left out of the racist diatribe that makes black people, namely black boys and men, targets for cruelty. I was half expecting this article to end with, “and that is why I’m choosing to date Miss Whitey on my arm here.” I’m actually a little more offended that this black man is asking us to overlook how obviously prejudiced juror B37 is. He can keep his white woman sympathy if you ask me. As a matter of fact, when white women start advocating for consideration of black women, then I might give a damn about some juror, with her racist foot in her mouth, being scapegoated for the unlawful death of black boys and men. “White women have no agency.” Yea right! Last thing I need is for them to find it on a black women’s online magazine.

  • Anthony

    As a black man who works with white women everyday, my approach is be polite and businesslike, but I keep my distance. I have a family to feed, and a pension that I am vested in, the last thing I need is to lose my job because I got too familiar or cozy with some white woman at work.

    I’ve known some really great progressive women, but I have known more than my share of rednecks with ovaries. What trips some brothers up (and sisters too) is that a person can find you attractive, and still use their white skin privilege to jack up after they have jacked you off.

  • Hollywood

    White women don’t have agency? Yea, okay, brother.

  • Z

    you know what? this is the last time i’m giving a da*m that a black man is killed because of racism. you love these white women so much you can’t bear to hold them responsible for their own prejudices , you can fight these battles your own darn self.

  • Josh Mishel

    That’s too extreme, obviously not all black men think this way. Besides, what will you do when the victim is a family member?

  • Josh Mishel

    Paternalistic sexism slipped in and polluted his argument. It just like when white liberals go as far as to imply that black people play no role in the relative underdevelopment of black communities.

  • MommieDearest

    Well dang. He used a WHOLE lot of words just to say, “I like white women.”

  • jay

    A white man didn’t kill Travyon. Get your facts straight. I’ve seen every race and gender have their own perspective on racism. It shouldn’t matter what color you are, so the hate crimes have no justice. Yes, men are more adapt to be knights in shining armor when there is a woman to defend. You can’t say the woman is a ‘seductress’, if that has been your view you’ve lived a very sheltered life. In my experience anyone can be a temptress or tempter. You have no reason to point fingers.

  • IJusWannaSay…

    And this article is PROOF that many black men feel that white women are not racist. They have been successfully neutered to the point of defending the very women that acquitted a white hispanic male for killing A BLACK MALE!

    I’m so done!

  • Wanda

    More like “I LOVE white women.”

  • Kam

    When will Black people learn?! White people don’t need your protecting, they are FINE. I mean I commend the author for what he’s trying to say, but Black people it’s not wrong or racist to care about yourself.

  • Anthony

    Zimmerman’s father is a white man, and I am certain he identifies with whiteness more than anything else.

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  • Shanti

    White women have no agency and are pawns for white men but black women are to blame for every damn thing wrong in the black community.. I wish some of this compassion, sympathy understanding that black men have for white womanhood would extend to black women. I’m so happy I figured out awhile ago that black women need to be our own allies because no one else cares about our issues.

  • Anthony

    @Kam, truer words have never been spoken!

  • Nic

    I don’t know, maybe it’s just me but perhaps he’s setting himself up for part II about why he loves to date white women.
    If you don’t blame them or make them own their own racism, then you are never a hypocrite for dating one, even if she says racist things.

  • http://roslynhardyholcomb.com Roslyn Hardy Holcomb

    White pussy must be amazing.

  • Nic

    Oh, actually I think that is exactly the subtext of his article. I’m sure he had his white boo edit it for him. B/c why on earth would a black MAN feel the need to protect this racist white lady other than to justify his need to protect others in real life.
    We get too much of the white woman can’t be racist BS on the sites that they run. We don’t need to see it here, and from a black man no less. I mean, esp. not when the only reason so many of them stop by is to rag on how awful black women are.

  • Nic

    Anthony, you are a smart man. B/c yeah, piss them off and they know exactly what to scream to get the cops to shoot you or to get you carted off to prison.
    And yeah, people wlil be all shocked when their white boos call them the n-word. Only, they shouldn’t be.

  • Anthony

    LOL! Seriously, for those who are color struck, it could be stiff, rank, and stank, but as long as it’s white, it would be alright.

  • Z

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!

  • Z

    I don’t give a d*mn, you black men are worthless overall to a black woman.

  • Tara

    I know. It is not the innocent white woman’s fault. I hope that he has his white princess.

  • IJusWannaSay…

    Sounds like somebody left their bawlz in the white woman’s pocketbook!

  • http://gravatar.com/tellmesumtingood TajMarie

    Does he realized he just negated his argument of the myth of the damsel in distress by negating the fact that White Women engage in racism too? Someone need to slap some sense into him. I am too thru.

  • mEE

    -___-

  • http://gravatar.com/tellmesumtingood TajMarie

    Maybe, he should ask some of the Black Women who worked as maids during the Jim Crow whether the White Women they worked didn’t have a racist bone in their bodies.

  • Shanti

    Now you know if a black woman said that they experienced racism from white woman she would be accused of being angry bitter, and jealous.

  • GG

    Anything goes over they head when it comes to what their peni$ likes.

  • L

    I’m white an a woman so I try to not to comment here too much, I personally don’t think this is a space for white women, black men, white men etc. to come go on too much. It’s not really our space, but different people lurk around here because there’s some good writers and articles.

    But sometimes… I think maybe this writer had some kind of coherent idea that got lost. That juror is one sick opportunist individual, not some *idea* of a white woman. Being angry doesn’t make this writer some *idea* of an scary black guy. I guess he’s trying to say the tropes about people are dangerous and still get people killed in reality. But individuals have brains, even stupid people. Juror B37 has a brain and decided to be uninformed, racist, and try to profit big off the death of a teenager. WTF. It’s fine not to want eye for an eye treatment, but why give her empathy? Why give that attitude empathy?

  • Anthony

    @Nic, I wish I could claim a brilliant insight, but to me it’s just common sense. If a man can love a woman, but be sexist, what on earth could stop a white person who loves or is attracted to someone who is black from still being racist?

  • Anthony

    Thank you for perspective. Juror B37 chose to buy into the BS narrative of good intentions and self defense. She was clear that she saw the death of Trayvon as not much more than a bug being squashed.

    I will say, however, that the writer Is responsible for his words. He came like an apologist for white woman racism, and that’s on him.

  • https://www.facebook.com/ Jason

    I think the author’s goal/intent was to say while we as a nation are focused on racial inequalities being concealed in American society, lets not forget how gender inequalities are also being concealed in our society by the same perpetrators. “Don’t forget about your feminist hat while you have your racial hat on at the moment.”

    What the author doesn’t understand is that a lot of us readers feel that he doesn’t place any personal responsibility on white women in their part of racial inequalities, hence the personal attacks/jokes implying that he has a dating/sexual preference for white women.

    He wrote it in a way that lets Juror B37 off the hook for her views on the defendant being the real victim of the confrontation with a young black male. He didn’t realize that he was unwittingly excusing her behavior because he wants to stay conscious of the negative stereotypes of white women being the trophies in American society given by male misogyny.

    He was trying to argue that white women are victims of a false belief that they are trophies and need to be protected by white men, and that they are also victims of the black community labeling them as seductresses who get young black men killed or prosecuted, because of society’s subconscious views of protecting white womanhood.

    Although I must say that while it’s going to be a tough task for a predominately black audience to see a white woman as a victim at this particular time (even if white women do not see their own victimization), I can’t fault him for recognizing sexism and misogyny while most are only looking at racial issues right now.

  • Ellis

    Exactly, pathetic and incredibly stupid isn’t it? Black men like that are beyond worthless. You’d think they’d learn after the history of lynching in the South. One example, remember the Scottsboro boys case? A few White women were doing something inappropriate on a streetcar/tram with White men (I think), so they blamed 9 Black men for sexually assaulting them, they lied on those boys. They were executed. God has given them enough signs and they Black men like him ignore. Watch and see, you mark my words, racism keeps bubbling, it seems each passing day and they will gradually get the message that White women can be just as racist as White men.

    There are skinheads/vocal racists roaming around Europe and in other White-ruled countries, White supremacist groups in Europe and the USA, KKK/KKKK (Knights of the Ku Klux Klan) is still active. Just wait, one day I really do believe that some Black men will regret ever putting White women on a pedestal and thinking that that they are not racist.

    I just remembered watching a vid on Youtube about Skinheads in Russia, there was an interview of a Russian girl who supports a Skinhead gang, and I remember he saying something on the lines of “we have got to keep the Black bastards out of our country”.
    That is one of many examples of the views that many many Whites share regarding Black men. There are White women who fear Black males such as the lovely juror b37 of course. Lol. Who grab onto their purses when they walk by, who think that Black males are savages and would not bring them home to their parents. So, I’m sorry for those Black males who think that deep down White women love Black men but most of the time, that is not the case. Aww…diddums. So sad isn’t it?

    Foolish idiots like these Black men make me sick.

  • GG

    Thank you! Thank you!

  • http://LorMariesPlace.com LorMarie

    I will take it a step further. Black women should not let the past dictate how they relate to white men. Get rid of the fear and mistrust that you have of them because truth be told, it’s just plain wrong and no different from the fear and mistrust someone might have of you as a black woman. You could also benefit from having platonic white men in your professional and social network. No slave master is alive today so get rid of your fears and do what you must to succeed.

  • GG

    Wow people are spitting knowledge in here.

  • geenababe

    Amen

  • geenababe

    I have been hip hop sites where some black men have said it turns them on when white women calwd them the n word during sex

  • geenababe

    I’m so glad that most people on here see through this bull. I wold never want a man who thinks like this around me.

  • ruggie

    “A vengeful blaze of punishments”? What, did I miss something here, since when does anger equal hate equal violent reactions? Is the author afraid he’ll go Eldridge Cleaver on juror B37??

  • http://justrand0mth0ughtsinmyhead.wordpress.com justrand0mth0ughtsinmyhead

    If I were a betting woman, I’d bet his “wake up call” comes from a white woman or has something to do with a white woman.

    He should author another article after that happens.

  • Say what?

    I have an aunt that used to say that, though white men are sometimes called “white devils”, it’s the white women that are the true devils. Her reasoning was/is that, because women are, typically, the primary caregivers, white women are in the prime position to squash racism and negative stereotyping, but have failed to do so. That they, in fact, perpetuate it by using those stereotypes and racist attitudes whenever it serves them (claiming a black man killed their kids, crying rape when they were caught with black men, etc.). I know those are extreme examples, but you get my drift.

    Now, I have some reservations about that theory of my aunt’s because outside influences play a part in shaping all of us. However, family beliefs and traditions play a much larger role in our lives. And if black women (and men) come under fire for how their children turn out, so should white women (and men). White women don’t get a pass, in my book…no matter how fragile they want to appear, or how many tears they shed.

    And can we talk about tears, for a second. Am I the only one who gets pissed when a white girl cries? Because, most often, those tears come right after some offensive statement/s – just like juror B37. She spent an hour showing absolutely no sympathy for Trayvon or his family, then ends it all in a few tears, and that somehow makes her so much more of a sympathetic person in so many people’s eyes. It’s manipulative and sickening. Just stop!

  • the alchemist

    The author ignored how white privilege benefits white women. White women have a lot invested in seeing the current system continue.

    Most black men have the uncanny ability to empathize with white women but never with black women. If he wants sympathy for white women he came to the wrong blog. It’s insulting to ask black women to see white women as victims of the black community. Most black man cannot see black women as victims or vulnerable in any given shape or form.

  • https://www.facebook.com/ann.denari Annabelle Deens

    He is not fooling anyone. He was never taught to fear white women. He know that the he better not mess with white men. Blacks like this writer still suffer an affliction. They feel it very important to sleep with and be liked by whites, who really don’t feel the need to reciprocate. Pathetic. He says he will reflect his racial anxieties on a people who did this to him all the time. It is not his cycle to break. He clearly missed the mark here.

  • Nadell

    “However unwittingly, Juror B-37 was co-signing a series of myths that let white men shoot and kill black boys with impunity.”
    UNWITTINGLY….
    What is this? Because Juror B37 is a white woman she has no personal accountability for her racist beliefs? It isn’t her fault for holding stereotypical beliefs and views of black men? White men are to blame for how she feels towards black men. B37 has absolutely no ownership in participating and perpetuating her views of black men. Because she is a white woman she is unaware and unintentionally co-signing a series of myths that let white men shoot and kill black boys with impunity…

  • Angelique212

    PREACHHHHHHH!!! Who sowed the robes for the Klan? Who are the primary caregivers? Lawdy… with this article.

  • Angelique212

    This man appears to be a professor, as well…. I am shaking in my boots at the future of this broken community. We’re done-zo.

  • ArabellaMichaela

    Sorry. But I really don’t care about this black male writer’s point of view on B57. This article would’ve been much more interesting to me if it had been written by a black women who has to deal with white women peers everyday.
    At the end of the day, this verdict will not cause AA men to lose their white/latin woman worship. But how you sit across the dinner table from them and discuss “how was your day” every night is and will always be, an exercise in denial.

  • Z

    don’t worry you can have the black men that are coming out of the woodwork to excuse and defend this article and white women.

  • JC

    So he is claiming that white women are just “pawns” for racist white men to use. No. There are obviously white women that know good and damn well how to use their spot on the pedestal. I’ve seen plenty of stories of white women doing awful things, like killing their children, then they invent stories of some black or brown man stealing the van with the kids inside…. And of course it doesn’t always have to be something that drastic, but that’s just an example.

  • http://gravatar.com/mimiandy1683 MimiLuvs…

    “…I don’t give a d*mn, you black men are worthless overall to a black woman..”

    For You, honey.
    Just for you.

  • http://gravatar.com/mimiandy1683 MimiLuvs…

    I don’t understand why there are people who do not want to accept the fact that there are (racially) white people who are Latinos/Hispanics?

  • Angelique212

    Foolishness like this will continue as long as black males continue to see themselves as the only victims to racism… they curse us all, the entire community, with their ignorance and willing submission to white supremacy. Disgusting. Disgusting!

  • Shanti

    I agree 100%. I am over black male opinions especially in spaces meant for black women. I have no expectation for them to have anything positive to say about black woman or anything intelligent to say about uplifting the black community (both men and women). Because of this I am not surprised or upset when the write nonsense like this.

  • http://roslynhardyholcomb.com roslynholcomb

    My mama used to say the same thing. After all, where do white men come from? Who socialized them?

  • Stop making stuff up!

    This article is all over the place. Can’t seem to understand his point other than I LUV me some white women.

  • http://gravatar.com/tellmesumtingood TajMarie

    One can only look at Barbara Bush when they speak of GW Bush. After all, look at her statements when she saw those trying to get back on their feet from Hurricane Katrina.

  • Abby

    Those crocodile tears are the worst.

  • Natalie B.

    My grandmama used to say,” ain’t nothin’ dirtier than a white man than a white woman.”

    Somebody needs to break this down further to the black men that still can’t believe this; juror B37 isn’t an exception, she is the rule.

  • Aria

    Hispanic is an ethnicity. White is a race. There are black hispanics and white hispanics.

  • GG

    Thank you! The racism I have experienced came from the Nubian white queens. They love to make sly remarks but when you tell them something. You are attacking them. I have even witnessed on a job at 16 a white girl calling a bunch of black guys the n word. I didn’t say anything cause I wanted to see if they would speak up they didn’t cause she f’d black men.

  • Z

    fine , you can stay being a loyal mammy for the black man while he runs off to marry and protect and provide for other groups of women instead of YOU!

  • Anthony

    Zimmerman’s mother is from Peru and she looks indigenous or mestizo. Either way, it is clear that Zimmerman sees himself as white.

  • Anthony

    The Scottsboro boys weren’t executed, but they suffered in prison a very long time.

  • http://roslynhardyholcomb.com roslynholcomb

    BeReal you can go down it or not. I’m simply repeating what my mama said. I have certainly met more than my fair share of racist white women. The notion of those women being anybody’s pawns is laughable. The fact that black men are so caught up in their lust for white flesh that they’d come into a black woman’s space with this crap is almost breathtakingly offensive.

  • Anthony

    @Z, I have been with my black wife fifteen years, and I’m not going anywhere, God willing. I am also busy with raising our two daughters also.

    I’m not looking for praise, I just stating some facts.

  • Z

    Anthony I don’t have any beef with you (you older cats are cool ) but when most black men in my age group think like this dude I have no other conclusion to come to.

  • geenababe

    You are not the only one. The crying gets on my nerve too.

  • Akosua

    You sistas are on it. And have you notice or should I say the lack there of of criticism towards this all white female jury? Not a peep out of bm and how this random selection of ww & hispanic woman yielded this verdict. According to this article, it is the white man’s fault This article illustrates how bm have brought into whites compartmentalization of beliefs from behavior. A clear cognitive dissonance for this writer and bm who rationalized as he. —-that is wanting acceptance at all cost from ww in-spite of their subhuman view of them.

  • IJusWannaSay…

    Sorry, I ran out of cookies…

  • IJusWannaSay…

    Sorry, I ran out outta cookies to give black men when they get on mountaintops to profess their love and devotion to white women.

  • Tara

    Amen

  • tee tee

    I read half way and had to pause, scratch head and huh?

  • IJusWannaSay…

    Black men like the author are very forgiving when it comes to racist ww.

  • Anthony

    I think Be Real was referring to an argument a few weeks ago on this site when black men said that black women have to take some responsibility for criminal behavior in black boys since they are often raised in single parent homes with only a mother. Most women rejected that notion. It does seem odd to then blame white women for raising racist white men by women on this site.

    Personally, I think any child is heavily influenced for good or ill by his or her parents.

  • The Other Jess

    oh blah blah blah. it would be nice if black men were as concerned about how they view black women, and put in the effort to not hating us, and have renewed energy in committing to fight the myths and the misogyny, racism and sexism they heap on black women. what a waste of space article.

  • Sandy248

    And I’ll bet when she started ‘crying’ there were no tears. Like Susan Smith.

  • dirtychai

    “What I’m emphasizing here is how white women have no agency, as seductress or otherwise.”

    Dang. I guess the system does work.

  • SayWhat

    During Jim Crow?! You are giving them waaayyyy too much credit. Ask me what happened last Friday. You don’t have to go back that far …..at……all.

  • Darcy

    Agreed! Like some other readers, I was waiting for at the end when he revealed that all of these revelations made him open to dating his current wife girl. I am not anti-IR IR relationships, but have a problem when the reason a person does it is because of hatred/downing their own race. I hope no one is naive enough to believe that just because someone is involved with someone romantically they can’t have racist beliefs.I also hope no one seriously believes that any white woman who makes the decision to be racist is only racist because some white man told her to be.

  • Darcy

    Exactly! Anyone who doesn’t know GZ’s dad is white must not have watched the trial, any interviews, or read an articles. Like you said, I’m sure he identified with his whiteness more than his hispanic side. By looking at his wife and his attitude towards hispanics (he had a racist rant on MySpace about Mexicans) I can make this assumption.

    GZ and his team only wanted to play up his peruvian side by claiming he identified himself as hispanic to try to make it not look like a race issue. And some white people may agree with GZ, but ignorantly believe that because he is part hispanic he can’t be racist. Any person who believes a hispanic can’t be racist or can’t believe in a racial system that devalues blacks doesn’t understand race at all.

  • Tara

    Black women need to recognize that black men do not care about you. Black women are the footsoldiers. They take their wealth and give it to women of other races in astonishingly high numbers. The only commitment that they have is building communities with women of other backgrounds. I have mourned for Travon. I feel the pain of his mother and father. It was important to raise hell regarding this matter because of the message that it sent out to whites regarding us walking around their neighborhood and how they can police us. So I get that. Outside of that black men don’t matter to me. If he is not my brothers, nephews, uncles or a black man that I love in my life or a black man who does not benefit me, I have no concern or love for you. I would advise black women to make sure that they mingle with men of other races. Make friends, lovers, husbands of other races. I have actually experienced racism from white women and had white men have my back. You had better start to align yourselves with other men or you will be sorry in years to come.

  • http://roslynhardyholcomb.com roslynholcomb

    Unfortunately most black women are rearing their children alone. White women don’t have that issue. Therefore it would seem to me that the ones to bear the most blame for delinquent black men are the sorry mofos who abandoned them. NOT the black who go to hell and back to feed their sorry azzes only to have them grow up and throw this kind of isht in their faces. And now I can go back to ignoring anything written by a black man. Pathetic.

  • Wanda

    I think that this young man’s writings are all over the place because his life views is all over the place:

    “Sidney “Sangfroid” Fussell is a 24 year old editorial contributor, open mic comedian, former public speaking instructor and fulltime gamer whose editorial topics include intersections of race and gender, videogames, violence, dismantling compulsory heterosexuality, mental health and humor.”

  • DiasporaUK

    All i know is I think it’s time for black people to stop hiding our cowardice behind the

    ” white hate won’t make me hate”, cop out

    If only we were so “noble” when it came to not letting white racism make us hate each other.

    It’s ok to be angry and vengeful when people hurt YOURS.

  • Wanda

    Now I’m just speaking about my current experiences in the workplace, but I tend to find that white women are more racially-segregated in their mindsets and cultural views today than many white men are (especially the younger ones).

    I’ve had many more battles at work with white women than with white men. They play victim AND oppressor at the same time.

  • Guest1234

    I take some issue with some of your statements, but I won’t detail all of them here. I will say, though, that the allegiance black women hold for black men is indeed a waste. Black women have got it going on.

    I, too, can’t quite figure out why they waste the energy getting mad at black men who elevate any-damn-thing over us. If he wants to luuvvv him some white women, what business is it of ours? Who cares about him? Just ‘cuz somebody’s black doesn’t mean they’re worth a damn? (But I also believe that just because somebody’s black doesn’t mean they’re NOT worth a damn either.)

    The day I became a free woman was the day I finally accepted that, generally speaking, I couldn’t compete with women of other races for black men. I couldn’t compete with the conditioning that told black men that women like me are last place – no matter how beautiful, brilliant, fun and wonderful I am. That was the day I stopped trying, and stopped giving a damn. I didn’t have to worry about it anymore. I didn’t have to hate the texture of my hair anymore, and try to fight against it. I didn’t have to concern myself with whether the sun was making my skin darker. I didn’t have to concern myself with questions of whether my mate could see my beauty or was he just settling for me. All that fell away and I was finally free. I learned that wonderful men would see and value me. They may be black, and they may not. But all the rest of the BS is just racism. And who needs it?

    I met and married a wonderful man (who happens to be white) who has no doubt that I am FIRST PLACE. It’s liberating, I tell you. He had his pick of any woman in the world, and he chose me – he saw MY beauty. He wanted ME. And rightfully so, shoot….I’m FINE. :) HE just had a clear vision and saw a beautiful, amazing woman. I’m sure many men of all races will find FIRST PLACE black women, but not until black women just let go of the BS, already! Stop trying to fight it, and let the idiots go. Wonderful men come in all shapes and colors and sizes. But you ain’t gon’ find one as long as you’re worried about stuff like this. Just my 2 cents.

  • DiasporaUK

    You’re crazy

    black men are the only people who care about black women and children.

  • Anthony

    I agree, being noble has often amounted to putting a good face on powerlessness. It has also been a way of placating white because even liberal or progressive whites often seem more afraid of black anger than outraged by white injustice.

  • http://roslynhardyholcomb.com roslynholcomb

    I’m not paranoid about black men lusting after white women, I’m amused by it. As for black women socializing black males, I’m not being inconsistent. White women have time to socialize white males because they have a partner to help them. Black women are too busy trying to FEED them without any assistance from their fathers to fulfill a woman’s primary role.

  • Anthony

    @Wanda, your post reminds me so much of the grief my wife gets from a co-worker who is not her superior, but is in a position to write critical reports about her. I am convinced that this white woman harasses my wife because she sees her as competition.

    A dear co-worker of mine often complains of a white superior who often blames the sister for her own mistakes.

  • http://roslynhardyholcomb.com roslynholcomb

    Oh and we can certainly see that most black kids are indeed being raised alone. As someone who worked in child welfare for more than a decade I can tell you that. Anyone working in our schools or anywhere that they interact with young children can tell you that our children are not only out of wedlock they are out of participating fathers as well. Anyone who thinks otherwise is either uninformed or chloroformed.

  • Pats

    why do play people like to forget george zimmerman was hispanic?

  • Kacey

    Girl!!! I thought I was the only one squinting at the screen trying to make sense of what this guy was saying! I thought maybe I was just hung-over. Nope, I’m in my right mind. Thank you.

  • Tara

    Oh my God! That is soooo true. White men are not as racist as white women toward black women. You hit the nail right on the head. Black women had better address that also. They think that because they are dating black men that they can be mores racist and they are doing it. And doing it well.

  • Tara

    First of all, I agree with all of your points. I am not worried about whether black men find me beautiful or not. I never had to realize that I am beautiful cause I actually am. I am actually annoyed at the article but I agree with every point you made and I date interracially as well. I agree that once you realize that they don’t see us as equal to other women it sets you free but it is painful and traumatic. When I see interracial couples I don’t even feel anything. It was a process. Now having said all of that, I really want black women to stop being their foot soldiers.

  • http://roslynhardyholcomb.com roslynholcomb

    Nope, wrong answer. I’m not from the Waiting to Exhale generation. Loathed that book and that movie. I don’t know, or care whether black men lust after white women. I know that this one, the one who wrote this article, most assuredly does. And being as that’s the only one I commented on it’s kind of bizarre that you would call my commentary “dangerous” when in fact that it’s the writer of the article who made his views plain and clear. Clearly you’re barking up the wrong tree. But then that’s not surprising.

  • Tara

    That is a whole other topic. Why blacks try to be so noble. I say ALL the time that I am not going to let white hate make me start to hate people but it is something that I struggle with.

  • Kacey

    I’m glad this guy is getting his behind handed to him by the commenters.

    What a load of bull and terrible waste of space this was!

  • Angelique212

    You’re on an American site… they are speaking of Black American men. The UK, has its issues, but they cannot FATHOM the disease in America… NOT EVEN CLOSE, because you still have connections to your respective and diverse black cultures in various ways… You all are not so far removed from your core cultures… Americans are… and it shows.

    You’re just wrong, but be happy that you’re wrong from the point of view you are… you don’t want to live this life over here where your worst and most proactive enemies, are members of the other gender of your “race”.

    … please cherish what you have over there. This sh!t over here is just sick.

  • GG

    Its that religious conditioning of forgiveness, can’t fight hate with hate. We are not allowed to hate, hurt etc cause we won’t get into heaven.

  • Whitney’s Receipts

    preach

  • GG

    What happened last Friday? Like to know cause I’m dealing with one right now too.

  • Demis

    Wow. Really? That was an eloquent and really well written article. Sad you did not understand it. Maybe you might get the article on the real Housewives a lil better? SMDH.

  • Gav

    White women can be as racist as their white men. However, let’s not forget as women, they are marginalized as well. Not as much as black women but they do have their own issues to bear. Complicated issue. Juror B37 was a clearly a racist and she did not even know it.

  • http://twitter.com/Zabeth8 MEH (@Zabeth8)

    You can be supportive of your family, and your family alone- and even then you need to be careful of who you offer support to. BM as a whole though can take up their OWN cause. They can write letters, make angry phone calls, write blogs, and march for issues directly related to them and their image. Its up to them now. I choose not to participate and wish more BW would do the same.

  • http://twitter.com/Zabeth8 MEH (@Zabeth8)

    You can be supportive of your family- and your family alone. BM as a whole though can take up their OWN cause. They can write letters, make angry phone calls, write blogs, and march for issues directly related to them and their image. I choose not to participate and wish more BW would do the same.

  • Tee Tee

    Ok, white people can be hispanic too you know?

  • Brad

    Reading through some of these comments I am strucked by the fact that I must have apparently always associate with non typical black men.

    I can literally count on one hand all the black men I have known through out my life that had any preference at all for white females.

    In fact almost every black man I’ve known preference has been for “the sistas”. In the cases where they have gone for a white girl or some other race, they have met with negative scorn or criticism.

    I think the writer of this article simply has a case of jungle fever and was trying to make excuses. For the fact that white woman have no compassion in anyway for Travon or any black male child or family.

  • http://gravatar.com/cheriekitana Kitana

    This seems to perpetuate the myth that white women rarely have a part in racism and that it is mostly white men. You have a right to your opinion but I hope people also accept when I tell black women to stop letting others in the black community make you believe that most white men and other race men are big, scary racists. Black men will never let the actions of white women stop them from having relationships with them.Why should you limit yourself from actually meeting decent white men and forming good friendships or more in your life? The oldest trick in the book when a black woman has close relationships with white men is for someone to bring up slavery or racist actions of white men. White women get off free.

  • http://twitter.com/Zabeth8 MEH (@Zabeth8)

    Then BM need to do a better job of proving it.

  • AJW

    We don’t give a damn about white women.

  • Perspective

    Yeahhhhhhhhh – ok… Now I get it

    Everyone got the same sense that I got in this POORLY written piece.

    He’s cappin for white girls – SAD!

    And I’m saying this who has MASSIVE issues with black women their ideology, attitudes, and a whole host of things I don’t feel like mentioning right now.

    But this idea that WW can’t be racist or it ain’t really them….

    ALLLLLLLLLLL HELL NO! – I’ll say it like I tell EVERYONE. If you jump the fence BE CAREFUL! – because MOST do not bang with us like that.

    …. but yeah – reading the comments my GUT instinct was correct. SOUNDED like MAJOR cappin for white white.

    I was through with Juror B37 when she said – “THOSE PEOPLE!”

    I was like… really Be-otch!? That shit has little to do with her being a woman, that’s just flat out racism and cultural bias.

    “THOSE PEOPLE”

    Clutch wrote a piece about it, but I caught that ish right when it happened. Reminded me of Tariq Nasheeds Negro bed wench video where the black woman said,

    “THOSE PEOPLE ARE MESSING IT UP FOR ME” talking about how the “other blacks” need to stay in the ghetto because they were messing up what she had with her white man.

    We got coons allllllll over the bc – it is what it is, and it’s unfortunate.

  • Tara

    Demis, you are a condescending asshole. Why don’t you just go on some ww site and leave us alone…please?

  • violet

    so, I am a white woman. I am not a devil, nor do I deserve to be suspect as a devil. I don’t agree with Martin’s white women jury either, nor does my white family. Know the person before judging them on the color of their skin or gender. I see exactly why this was a bs. verdict. Nobody wants to nor should be seen as less human for skin color. Judge people individually for their actions.

  • Shanti

    Yes they are marginalized but I feel that more often than not white women refuse to see the intersectionality of the black woman’s experience. Therefore, although we may experience similar oppression based on sex the totality of their experiences are different. For that reason, I can’t rally for their oppression when they fail to give a damn about my whole experience as a woman. I will continue to fight sexism for all woman but I can’t ignore their racism.

  • Ellis

    Gav, do tell me how White women are “marginalized?”
    You sound similar to the man who wrote this article, you’re implying that the fragile, poor, sweet, precious, innocent, easily impressionable White racist women simply have no choice being racist, that they don’t mean to be racist. Is that the case Gav?

  • Rochelle

    Yes like someone stated in another comment, white puzzy must be AMAZING! LOL.

    In fact, some black men would slap their grandma and set fire to their mama for an alabaster woman. LOL.

    But really, if you go to this writer’s website, you will see he is just 24 years old. He probably just got finished partying with the snow bunnies in college. He doesn’t know any better. His nose is probably wide open. I can compliment his writing style. He did use some big words but there is no merit to this article. Plus I wouldn’t take someone seriously that considers himself a “professional gamer.”

  • Rochelle

    Yes like someone stated in another comment, white puntang must be AMAZING! LOL.

    In fact, some black men would slap their grandma and set fire to their mama for an alabaster woman. LOL.

    But really, if you go to this writer’s website, you will see he is just 24 years old. He probably just got finished partying with the snow bunnies in college. He doesn’t know any better. His nose is probably wide open. I can compliment his writing style. He did use some big words but there is no merit to this article. Plus I wouldn’t take someone seriously that considers himself a “professional gamer.”

  • Rochellee

    Yes like someone stated in another comment, what’s between a white woman’s legs must be AMAZING! LOL.

    In fact, some black men would slap their grandma and set fire to their mama for an alabaster woman. LOL.

    But really, if you go to this writer’s website, you will see he is just 24 years old. He probably just got finished partying with the snow bunnies in college. He doesn’t know any better. His nose is probably wide open. I can compliment his writing style. He did use some big words but there is no merit to this article. Plus I wouldn’t take someone seriously that considers himself a “professional gamer.”

  • Ellis

    Many a time that it not the case. That is not to say that there are no good Black men who love Black women and Black children.

    By the way, do you come from the UK?
    I live in England, I am a young Black women and it is not uncommon for Black men (you would obviously know if you live in the UK), especially high-profile Black men to date White women. I think the figure for interracial dating for Black men is like 50%, so 50% of Black men are in interracial relationships.

    I am derailing a bit but I think I have noticed that is usually Black men of West Indian descent (like myself) who date interracially. When I see Africans (you can easily distinguish them from Blacks who were born in the Diaspora), they usually have strong, intact two-parent families that are not interracial. Whereas, for West Indian families in the UK, it is not unusual for the children to grow up in the household with an absent father.
    Hmmm…I wonder why that is?

  • The Other Jess

    What a stupid statement, Gee, I’m sure George Zimmerman didn’t know he was clearly a racist either. Don’t try to separate white racists by gender – they are all the same.

  • sexualchocolate!!

    Can I just say this was some of the funniest stuff I’ve EVER read. I laughed so hard when I read this last night. What????? crickets. I guess all white women are not dying to get their hands on one of negroes…huh LMAO Now your feelings hurt. LOL

  • Anthony

    I think most black men have an interest in white women simply because their images are before us so much in all media. That interest can range from simple curiosity to obsession. Personally, I find many white women attractive, but that is not enough for me to want to be involved with one. I like blackness, I like black music, black humor, I like soul food.
    I like someone who can understand from experience how I see the world. For those reasons, I always gravitated towards black women.

    Among young men in my area, I see a real preference for white women. Most can give me a list of reasons why they move away from sisters, but I really feel that they simply prefer white women. My wife and I do wonder if there will be any boys in our community for our daughters.

  • Darcy

    I’m not sure why some people haven’t read any articles or statements and make assumptions. His mother is hispanic and his father is a white Jewish man, hence his last name Zimmerman. He grew up with both parents. Even if he was only hispanic, so what? There are hispanics darker than some black people or who obviously have African features and dislike blacks.

  • Darcy

    Sadly, it makes sense. Women, in general tend to be competitive with one another. Now, throw in some white women who may have racist tendencies and believe they are superior to black women and you will see the dynamic you just stated.

  • Anonin

    How was this eloquent and well written when he was all over the place with his jekyll and Hyde understanding and guilt?

    Between this, the kanye rant, and the black twitter article there’s been some odd articles on here lately.

  • joe

    The reason white men tend to be less overtly racist towards black women is because of the possibility of having sex with these women. This is the ONLY reason. Once a sister makes it clear to him that he will not be having his little “chocolate adventure” he begins to show his true colors. There have been numerous cases of black women suing employers because of sexual harassment at the hands of white supervisors or co-workers. These men were never a problem until they crossed the “line of professionalism.” Once the sisters complained about inappropriate comments and touching, they found themselves being demoted, reprimanded for poor performance or fired.

  • Kam

    It’s unfortunate that this has turned into a Black men vs Black woman issue. It ‘s not. There was a Black female intern (Channa Lloyd) was on the defense team. Not only that but she said that there wasn’t an issue of race. She said you can tell that Zimmerman wasn’t racist and that she asked the defense team if he was racist and they said no. *facepalm*

    Just a while ago Clutch reported on the Black People for Paula Deen group who are planning to hold a rally in August in support of Paula Deen. The case against Paula Deen wasn’t even brought by Black people, it was brought by a White woman.

    Why do some Black people feel the need to do things like this? And I’m not even advocating being a militant or anything, but you don’t have to defend racists for anything. Plenty of racist Whites will pick up the slack.

  • MommieDearest

    “White men are not as racist as white women toward black women.”

    Speaking from personal experience, that is not the case. I have experienced racism from white men and white women, and I can honestly say that neither one “wins” the racism tally. The difference- white men tend to be up front so you know it’s coming. White women tend to be passive-aggressive and sneaky with theirs. Then, of course, turn on the waterworks when they are called out on it.

  • Tara

    To racist Joe: I have had white guys be nice to me when I was never going to even see them again. You just have an obsessive hatred of white men….sad

  • Tara

    The thing is I would NEVER tell black men that the racism that they state that they experience from white men is all in their minds like black men try to tell black women. It is real for black men with white men but it is real with black women from white women only women are more creative and craftier which makes it much more complex. This is the new form of racism. Black women are going to have to make the world aware of the white woman racism that black women experience.

  • Tara

    Wanda, black women need to come up with game plans for dealing with white women. It is a battle that we cant win because they have half of our men on their sides. You have to document everything, you have to go to those in authority. You cannot get mad or show emotion. You have to strike it down from the beginning.

  • K. Michel

    “As a teenager, I only saw “white girls” at the center of a complicated history between black people and white people. Rather than the system itself, I bought into the misogyny in the culture, which blamed these women as the arbiters of racism. I ignored the greater truth: that white women were only appropriated into these narratives, with the ultimate goal of strengthening the white male right to violence.” (Sidney Fussell)

    I don’t answer to titles like “feminist” but it seems that you have, indeed, bought into the misogyny …the likes of which, having flown over your head. You don’t get to say that White women were only “appropriated into these narratives”. What about the Black women who have bore the brunt of what White women dish out in today’s society?

    To say what you’ve just said in the quote is to discount what Black women go through on a daily basis. That’s misogyny, and it’s against Black women. Black men aren’t the measuring sticks with which to decide who are truly violent against African-Americans and who are only being “appropriated”. It’s both of us; Black men and Black women. We are the measuring sticks.

    I don’t think this article was written with the intention of it being in Clutch. That’s fine. But you should think about why you didn’t see fit for “Black women” to make an appearance in your article at all. They’re invisible, and that’s wrong.

  • Tsaun

    Because they’re so faux! Some of those people are incapable of empathy towards people of color.

  • Tara

    I agree Mommie Dearest. I have experienced racism from white men and it was upfront and in your face. Everything that you stated about white women is true how they perpetrate racism. They are more crafty and cunning and manipulative. But my experience is the racism from white women feels so much more personal for me. I live in a predominantly white neighborhood. When I moved in the white women and men were concerned about who I was. Then the white men saw that I was educated and had a good job and the black men coming to see me were professionals and then I was no threat. Although the men did not have to be professionals to be good decent men and I don’t mean to imply that. But it seems that the wives watch me. They seem to have this obsession with black women but that could have something to do with the fact that I am an attractive black woman. If I were overweight and ghetto, they might feel a little more comfortable with me. I have had all of their husbands say that I was attractive and do things for me so I don’t know.

  • The Other Jess

    There’s nothing special between a white woman’s legs – tthey have the same thing everyone else has got, except 400 years of good press – these men are running after light skin and the idea of light skinned children, particularly the girls, period. Funny though how they still want us Black women to support them as Black men and their white preference – scary.

    Stand up for injustice, like for Trayvon Martin, but don’t fall into “Black men controlling games” of trying to force us into supporting their disdain for you, via their white women.

  • The Other Jess

    “I think most black men have an interest in white women simply because their images are before us so much in all media. ”

    That is a bullsh*t copout statement if i ever heard one. White men are before us in EVERYTHING daily, for the past 400 years and black women chose to hold on to Blackness, for the most part. That’s changing rapidly though due to the rabid white-wannabeism of black men.

    An article like this would never be written if the jury was all Black women. The vitriol and hatred towards Black women would be off the charts!

  • L

    That’s true, he does come across as apologist. The oddness of this article stuck with me and I kept thinking about it. I think the good thing he was saying was not to create more racial/gender tension saying things like “that white bitch.” I see why he’d tweet that in anger, but yeah, it’s not very constructive to reduce people to their only sex and/or race. But to say some variation on, “this juror acted very badly, and a lot of white women buy into this narrative and need to learn,” that’s totally legitimate. I’ve been socialized to think “black men are more dangerous than other men,” but it’s been on me to realize that’s a myth. The “give white women a free pass, they’re only pawns,” thing is jus…unproductive, to say the least.

  • Z

    awww, how nice. ever the black mammy making any excuse she can for a black man.

    smh

  • Perspective

    I’ll tell you what irritates me and pisses me off – NOT just about the article – but about it even being posted on this black WOMANIST/FEMINIST site – that black women in their attempts to vilify black men (BECAUSE BLACK MEN HAVE NOT PROVIDED THEM WITH A COLLECTIVE INFRASTRUCTURE) that they want to use this guy as the poster child for all things terrible about black men.

    Where are all these black babies coming from if black men lust white women so much. I think TOO MANY OF YOU feed into the white media, that tells you YOU’RE NOTHING, but again, black men haven’t provided you a black media engine that promotes you, so I should EXPECT you all to be out of your minds and as emotional distraught all MANY OF YOU ARE.

    The whole thing is F’d.

    There are no black men getting ready to mobilize to establish anything. They DON’T WANT TO DO IT, and they damn sure aren’t going to do it from a subordinate position or position of EQUALITY to women. It’s just entirely too much damn work to not control what you build.

    I know that black women will continue to be this way trying to find validation and ADJUST to the overall lack of structure that black men aren’t providing and it’s just entirely TOO EASY for the white media to just infiltrate the minds of black women by either throwing black men under the bus and gettin, throwing black women under the bus, or just plain being the facilitators of us hating each other.

    I think I’m done. I need to stand down because black women are just going to be out of their minds, and I don’t have a damn thing for them. I go no army of brothas – *$&# I don’t have a BLACK TOWN. I got nothing.

    I hate all that things have turned into, but seriously speaking on men can turn it around no matter what the women say. Look at them. Look at the black community, do black women LOOK like they’re about to turn this ship around – NO? And if they did – what would that say about us?

    I’m pretty much done with the conversation. I have to KEEP reminding myself that black women are just going to BE THIS WAY – belligerent and all as long as there is no structure created and provided by black men to protect them and KEEP them sane.

    Understanding their psychosis doesn’t make me want to get with it OR accept it, it only makes me no longer complain about it, because IT WILL BE THIS WAY, as long as black men don’t provide the same patriarchal structure, that black women despise but want all the benefits of.

    If you haven’t recognized it yet, I suggest you read through the comment section of this blog again.

  • Perspective

    The problem with your comment is that it comes through that what the white people THINK – defines the standard for you.

    “maybe its because I’m not obese and I’m and attractive woman”

    Its like your caught up in NOT being the stereotype and I don’t say that to mean that everything you described shouldn’t be the STANDARD, for black people – because the same things and structure that they have to maintain their communities we would need to maintain ours, however when this piece is about some black man PANDERING to white women and then you come on with – “THE WHITE BOYS ARE RACIST – BUT THEY’RE ATTRACTED TO ME!”

    That ish screams – negro bed wench like a mofo

    I think you and the author need to give each other a call – that way you can BOND over how awesome white people are, and just how much only the OTHER gender is truly racist but the white people that you SLEEP with are OK>

  • Shanti

    Why are you here? I don’t mean that to be flippant, I truly want to understand why you needed to let the black woman who peruse this site aimed at black woman that you are different and that we shouldnt judge you based on the MANY experiences we have daily with white women. Please take your white privilege someplace else and have a nice day.

    P.S. No need to respond about how many black friends you have. It doesn’t make your opinion anymore valid.

  • MommieDearest

    “I don’t think this article was written with the intention of it being in Clutch.”

    Exactly! This article is soooo out of place here. I’m wondering why the decision was made to include it on this site. Entertainment value maybe?

  • Tara

    No idiot! I was stating that both can be racist. However, I experience it rarely from white men but frequently from white women.

  • lol

    “That ish screams – negro bed wench like a mofo ”

    what she was trying to say was that with ww there is an extra added element of competition , esp from a source that they don’t usually have to consider (bw) and when they see their husbands treating her nicely (just any husband doing things for a single attractive woman in the neighborhood) they freak out.

    why does she not look/act like the fat and /or unattractive black woman I see on tv? and why isn’t my husband reacting negatively toward her?

  • Tara

    Okay, Perspective. So black women are out of their minds because black men have not built a media machine that validates their beauty. You are out of your mind. This has all gone over your head.

  • Anthony

    @The Other Jess, when I was about nine, I remember my Mom and Sister watching a daytime variety show, and there was a young woman singing. My Mom and Sis both said she was pretty. I turned around fulling expecting to see a white woman. Instead, I saw a young Melba Moore.that was when I first realized how much I had been affected by media.

  • Gav

    I am a black woman and I have had my share of racism from white women – and white men. I am just saying that they had to fight for their right to vote, they had to fight for reproductive rights. They still don’t earn equal pay. If they are Lesbian, they have an even more special breed of bigotry against them. They are victims too. It is just that for many, whiteness comes first but it doesn’t change the fact that they are getting screwed by the system too. White men are the ones getting all the benefits.

  • Gav

    I am a black woman and I have had my share of racism from white women – and white men. However, white women had to fight for their right to vote, they had to fight for reproductive rights. They still don’t earn equal pay. If they are Lesbian, they have an even more special breed of bigotry against them. They are victims too. It is just that for many, whiteness comes first but it doesn’t change the fact that they are getting screwed by the system too. White men are the ones getting all the benefits. I want to make sure I remember who else is getting screwed by the system and not just my own experience, otherwise I would become as careless as racist white men and I don’t want to be that.

  • Rochelle

    what?

  • joe

    The reason you don’t experience it as much from white men is because you are an “attractive black woman” and they want to have sex with you. It doesn’t make them any less racist.

  • joe

    Tara, you called me a “racist” for respectfully voicing a dissenting opinion and you called another commenter an “idiot.” I will try not to descend into name calling but I really feel you view white men as the ultimate validation and I know nothing I say will change that.

  • leelah

    the reason she experiences it more from white women is because she deals with white women more because of her shared gender. She probably works in a female dominated workplace. And if she has kids, probably in social environments dominated by women(kid school and activities). She visits and watches spaces made for women. And is intellectually involved in women’s issues. Black men share patriarchy with white men, but still experience racism in that shared space. Why can’t you understand that black women experience racism despite our shared gender?

  • leelah

    They benefit from that system. Yes white women do get screwed by the system but lets not forget that they benefit from that system in jobs, education, housing, and every other measure. White women make less than white men but black women make less than white women.

  • http://tontonmichel.tumblr.com/ Tonton Michel

    Are you not the one getting white dick?

  • Patricia

    I am sorry, you know I hate to say this, all this stuff about white women fearing black men. But, at the same time black men are marrying white women by the truck load. Apparently there is no fear there. White women get away with a lot of stuff.

  • joe

    Leelah, l never said black women don’t experience racism. Of course they do. I simply pointed out that attractive black women experience far less racism at the hands of white men than black men do. And we ALL know why. It is the same reason why a racist white man who wants the border with Mexico permanently sealed will be all in the face of any pretty Latina he sees: His problem is NOT with attractive Mexican women. His problem is with the Mexican men and women he deems unattractive. The same applies to Asians. White men will lust after Asian women while mocking Asian men. In the infamous Abner Louima police brutality case, where a black man in Brooklyn was sodomized with a stick in a precint bathroom, it was the racist cop’s black girlfriend who insisted her white boyfriend couldn’t possibly be a bigot. She refused to believe a white man could have sex with a black woman yet hate black men.

  • http://gravatar.com/moudou moudou

    “Of course they do. I simply pointed out that attractive black women experience far less racism at the hands of white men than black men do.”

    Not sure where you’re getting this from.

  • ETC

    The relationship between black people and white people in this country is a complicated one. On one hand, their system oppresses all people of color. On the other hand, black people yearn for their approval, lust and love. That feeling is sometimes so strong that it overides our desire to effectively fight the system. A good deal of black men desire to be in relationships with white women. Black women are starting to date out a lot as well. In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with dating other races, however, when the desire to assimilate this strongly, there is a deeper reason. It is my belief that the last 400 years have brought about so much pain, that poc want to escape from their roots. The mental scars can only be healed with reflection and therapy. Once we resolve the hurts, we can create more cohesion among blacks. Until then, we will continue to erase ourselves one way or another.

  • Yvette

    No, don’t watch the Real Housewives. It was just a poorly-written article.

  • The Other Jess

    Miss me with the “everybody else does it, why can’t black men” and “other women don’t complain, why do Black women” trope. Everybody knows Black people went thru a whole ‘nother experience in America than all those other immigrant ethnic groups. Black women fought hell-and-highwater to even be considered equal toother people and other women, and black men keep trying to steadily tear it down. Black women complain because no other group of women went through what we went through in America to only then see Black men frothing at the lips over white and non-Black women.

    And Black women speak out because other non-Black women don’t have to hear constant complaining from their men about facing racism from “the white man” and a “racist system”, only to then be constantly insulted by their men men running up under their white/non-Black women. If you’re going to complain about white racism, then don’t insult black women by giving a pass to whites/non-Blacks just because they are women.

    Not only that, no other group of women bear the brunt of non-stop, in-your-face promotion of their men in IR via media, or bear the brunt of non-stop insults from their men regarding IR. White men date Asians wholesale, but never have I seen them hold their image and womanhood up over their own white women. And Asian women, even if dating IR, never publicly flaunt that in their men’s faces, or insult them.

    There is a huge difference. Plus, you don’t think Jewish women would be upset if, while living in Germany, the land of their oppressors, their men went whole-hog over the very ideologies that tried to eliminate them all or make them feel less-than, under the guise of multiculturalism? Interracial relationships are fine, but not in the way they’re promoted by Black men, in an insulting manner. Sorry, Black men lose this argument, imo, son. Expect Black women to have something to say about your rampant white worship if you still want us to support you when you cry racism.

  • The Other Jess

    Both of your responses are proof of the kind of pathetic Black men we have to deal with in America.

    And by the way, all of your racist and stupid assumptions you just spewed about me are wrong. It’s not worth my time even explaining to you, but I will suffer fools like you kindly. Not only am I a young, intelligent, WORLD traveled, successful in my work, and community-conscious, but I also am VERY fit, look damn good and am in a long-term relationship for 5 YEARS.

    So shut the h8ll up and take your Black man angst elsewhere. If Clutch can post a ridiculous article by an apologist Black man for white racist women, I can sure as h*ll respond to it. Obviously, I upset you badly since you took time out of your day to respond to me personally, instead of to the article.

    People like you are the reason some black women have so much to say about black men.

  • Tara

    you are jaded

  • The Other Jess

    I speak up on Black women’s issues BECAUSE I am a Black woman. Period. All the haters out there that don’t like it, that’s your problem.

  • my truth

    White women are the worse when it comes to racism. If you are an attractive black woman it’s double. I am married to a white man. My male in laws are very nice to me and make me feel like part of the family.They don’t care what color I am. All they know is that I’m a good person and that’s good enough for them. I get the cold shoulder from my female in laws. They are just awful to me. A few of my female in laws asked my husband “What’s wrong with with white women?” As if something has to be wrong to marry a black woman. Funny thing, my husband doesn’t put white women down, they’re just not his cup of tea.

    White men are laughing at these dumb black men and how they publicly say really disgusting things about black women and white women are eating it up. See if you can find a youtube video with white guys saying how bad white women are. You probably won’t and if you do, it’s only a few.

    In the past I’ve had non black friends with black spouses, black boyfriends and half black children and they still don’t really like black people, more specifically black women. I think it’s jealousy. What other explanation could there be? It it’s not just white women, hispanic women are just as bad, but that’s another story.

    I had a white woman neighbor call a black guy the N word because she was mad at him. She didn’t know I was within ear shot. When she realized I heard her, she tried to apologize to me by saying her children are half black.

  • The Other Jess

    Art, and Sad dudes, GET TWO CLUES. Don’t get mad because I stand up for Black women and myself. Again, you don’t know anything about me and you’re not obligated to any “receipts” from me or anyone else.

    Besides, we’re ONLINE fools. Nobody can prove anything to anyone, so I guess you’ll just have to take my word for it. I don’t really care what you think about me.

    GET OVER IT, son, and go spit your angst to some other Black women.

    There is nothing wrong with pointing out the hypocrisy of the Black man who wrote this article.

  • The Other Jess

    Sad, you are sooo sad. Go somewhere.

  • The Other Jess

    nah, his father is a German, but not Jewish. Regular Germans and some Jewish people have German names, but I hear that jews spell it differently, and Zimmerman’s father is very much Germanic, gentile white. Zimmerman’s father is a REAL German, you know, the Nazi type.

  • joe

    In any given year, 4 out of 5 black grooms will marry a black woman. At the same time only 1 in 300 white men will marry a black woman. I really feel that this fact needs to be stated clearly and repeatedly because sometimes it is easy to believe the reverse is true. Every day, black men date, fall in love with and marry BLACK women, yet there is a relentless propaganda campaign being conducted by certain black women to deny this truth. Their agenda is both obvious and disgraceful.

  • my truth

    A hit dog will holler. I’ve got no agenda, only sharing my experience. By the way my first husband was a black man, my dad, brother and, uncles all married black women.

  • Brad

    Interesting info on Black male marriages in relation to there income…

    Here are some statistics gathered by Howard, Morehouse, and University of Michigan professors:

    Married black men with a personal income of more than $100,000:
    83 percent have a black wife
    12 percent have a white wife
    5 percent have a wife who is neither black nor white.

    Married black men with college degrees:
    85 percent have black wives
    10 percent have a white wife
    5 percent have a wife who is neither black nor white.

    Married black men who are high school dropouts:
    92 percent have black wives
    6 percent of them have a white wife
    2 percent have a wife who is neither black nor white.
     
    Married black men who are professional athletes:
    72.8% are married to black women
    22.2% are married to white women
    5% are married to women who are neither black nor white

    This study claims black men overwhelmingly marry black woman.

  • lol

    “Every day, black men date, fall in love with and marry BLACK women, yet there is a relentless propaganda campaign being conducted by certain black women to deny this truth. Their agenda is both obvious and disgraceful.”

    what you fail to mention is that Black men marry a certain kind of black woman, the light-skin, long hair kind of black woman.

    let’s be honest, most of you ain’t checking for the regular black woman out here.

  • http://gravatar.com/geenababe geenababe

    @Joe
    I agree sometimes it hard to remember that black love is still read especially when it seems like there is some sort of agenda against it. It’s crazy I go on another blog and when someone says “black love is beaautiful” someone always got to say something different.

  • The pacifist

    There is too much hateful rhetoric on here. I guess that’s why I don’t come to this site often. The articles have great alternative views but the comments….yikes. Forgiveness and spreading love will do wonderful things in your life ladies. Remember hate begets hate. Love your people and yourself. Walking around repeating the criticisms you’ve heard people generalize about people that look like you and staying angry isn’t going to change anything but rather confirm all the doubts directed atyou. I understand resisting and criticizing racism but there are some blatant hate trends happening here and it saddens me. Don’t let the world make your heart hard. Open your mind and heart to other ways or thinking. Everyone does not hate you. Good sane people exist. Treat people the way you deserve to be treated. You are beautiful and so is she. Love one another. Forgive. Peace!

  • http://twitter.com/eshowoman Friday Foster-ABWW (@eshowoman)

    I started reading this article on XO Jane. The white women were talking about how dismissive we are over here at Clutch while congratulating themselves on admitting that they might just possibly be afraid and racist toward black men. I.JUST.CAN’T!

  • http://twitter.com/eshowoman Friday Foster-ABWW (@eshowoman)

    That still doesn’t negate the fact that less black men are marriageable. The criminalization of black men for the last 30 years has put a dent in our marriage rates. Less black women are getting married so the portion of black men who out marry has an even greater impact. So until non-black men marry black women at the same rate or black men reverse this trend this is an issue.

  • http://twitter.com/eshowoman Friday Foster-ABWW (@eshowoman)

    What black girlfriend are you imagining?? There was no black girl friend. I lived in New York during that trial and you are mistaken. That is a vile lie.

  • http://twitter.com/eshowoman Friday Foster-ABWW (@eshowoman)

    Let me tell you something as a woman born a black Brit, you have to be taking the piss. Black men out marry at much higher rate in the UK. We only migrated in mass to the UK in mass since the late 1940 and the rate of mixed race people is almost as large as the black population. You never see black couples on TV or in the movies, You rarely see black women at all and when you do they are mixed or light skinned. You are talking straight bollocks and you need to take that shite elsewhere.

  • http://twitter.com/eshowoman Friday Foster-ABWW (@eshowoman)

    This is a blog not a gang initiation!! Saying that you, black men and white men don’t feel safe here is painting us with the same brush that B37 used on Rachel Jeantel, I have been on white feminist sites where white women have screamed at me that their oppression was greater than my ancestors and I that I was a racist for not seeing their pain as greater than my own. White and black male spaces are not exactly welcoming places for black women either, so you need to drop that part of the commentary next time you post.

  • http://twitter.com/eshowoman Friday Foster-ABWW (@eshowoman)

    I am amazed how this dude can say that white women have no agency, then blame them a bit, forgive them and erase black women from the story entirely. That is a serious okie doke right there, son.

  • Yevi

    I was just about to mention xo Jane. Reading the comments were really eye-opening.

  • Orange Starr Happy Hunting

    “White women are the worse when it comes to racism. If you are an attractive black woman it’s double”

    You ain’t neva lied, it’s as if how dare we be “beautiful”, fit and fly …..I cannot tell you the bs I have had to put up with on the job, ridiculous and kinda sad actually. Not all 2520′s but quite a few.

  • L

    @Friday Foster, sorry, I didn’t mean that I don’t feel safe here.. I just don’t know if I have a lot to add by posting. I shouldn’t talk for all the WW, BM, WM, some people have good points/lots to say.. I meant the people that are like “blah blah all you Black ladies are wrong about thing X, Y, Z!!” on a site that is primarily for and written by BW. I just didn’t want to sound like “hey I’m white listen to meeeeeee” that kind of bs. But maybe I did that.. old thread now, but if you happen to see this, I get what you’re saying.

  • gualm

    Don’t be fooled – white women have a lot of power to destroy a black man, especially some that truly understand the power they have & are vindictive enough. Then there are those who in subtle ways use their power but don’t understand the implications of that power. It is engrained in them because they are placed on a pedestal by white and black males. Example of the first was Susan Smith who killed her kids and blamed it on a black man. She did not care if they arrested an innocent black man & he spent his entire life in jail for something she did. Example of the 2nd is white girlfriend who calls the cops during an argument because she is angry not understanding the ramifications of her actions of entangling a black man in the legal system.

  • Tara

    White women are dangerous. That is why I avoid them. You ever been in a setting with Asian, Latina, maybe a Middle Eastern woman and a black woman and the vibe is so warm and beautiful then a white woman comes in a the whole atmosphere of the room changes. I would looove to have friends of all races but they think that they are too superior to black women and I don’t trust them. Black men will realize that they cant do to white women what they do to us. There will be hell to pay.

  • Deal-n-Truth

    Beware of them when they won’t look you in the eye, which is a dead give away that they can not be trusted. We all work with them and we know how they are, so there’s no excuse to act surprised.

  • RaiseTheBar

    @ tee tee

    I got stuck at, “All ‘–isms’ are fears…” took a 5-day break, just now coming back to finish it.

  • RaiseTheBar

    GG

    It’s “brainwashing”. Religion was used to get and keep slaves believing captivity was in their best interest.

    Heaven? Anywhere away from the HELL here on planet Earth is Heaven.

    In the meantime, Spirituality grounded in Common Sense seems to be a better way to live.

  • The Other Jess

    ” It is a battle that we cant win because they have half of our men on their sides. ”

    Not truer statement was ever made, Tara. You can no longer expect black men to be your allies or on your side when it comes to dealing with racist white women and other non-black women.They will almost always side against you or tell you that the racism we as Black women experience is “not real”, “not important”, “jealousy/bitterness” or “all in our heads”.

    I do not trust most Black men to side with Black women, especially the more associated those men are with hip-hop/thug-life/sports culture. There is an arrogance in those cultures that tells Black men that Black women have no rights that they and non-Black women have to respect. They will support other Black men, and support non-Black women, but not us. This is not all Black men, but a very large population of them.

  • Tara

    But the most important thing is to make sure that you don’t let them make you end up hating them the way that they hate us. They have a deep disdain for black women that black women rarely discuss out in the open. They don’t even want you breathing air in the same space as them. Meditate, stay away, be courteous, go to figures in authority when necessary ie human resources, police, dorm director. Make sure others know if they are harassing or being bitchy to you early on. Don’t let problems escalate EVER with them. Just don’t let them make you hate them as much as they hate us because that is when they have got the best of you.

  • Tara

    This is referring to black women dealing with white women.

  • Acocoprncess

    Please don’t be deceived, I am in the military and work in a predominately white male environment. White males are just as racist if not even more racist than white women. The only difference is that white men are good at hiding it. They will smile in a sisters face and even attempt to bed her but when it comes down to speaking on her behalf when promotion times comes around or being an advocate he will always and mean always give his vote to another white person be it male or female. I learned this the hard way and that was only because another brother was in the room and gave me a heads up. I felt stupid and naive to think that I’d called them friend. I mean I went out of my way not to portray the “anger black female” stereotype only to be cast in that light any ways. Thank God for documentation cause that was my only saving grace.

  • Kaeli

    I am in this place. I am trying very hard to get past this. recent experience has name it hard.

  • ol

    a black man told you?

    soooo reliable…

    smh

  • the alchemist

    25% of black male newlyweds marry non-black women
    Pew Research Center 2012 study on interracial marriage

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