US-POLITICS-OBAMAOn Monday, President Obama plans to sign an executive order to ban job discrimination based on both gender and sexual orientation among federal workers and contractors, TIME reports. The order protects some 28 million workers and does not exclude religious organizations.

At a critical time for our nation’s economy, we need all of our workers to be focused on making the most of their talent, skill, and ingenuity, rather than worrying about losing their job due to discrimination,” says a White House official. “Discrimination is not just wrong, it also can keep qualified workers from maximizing their potential to contribute to the strengthening of our economy.”

Shortly after the Supreme Court ruled on the Hobby Lobby decision, a handful of faith leaders, including Pastor Rick Warren, wrote President Obama asking for exemption. Other religious leaders wrote and said an exemption would only open a “Pandora’s Box inviting other forms of discrimination.”

The executive order does not, however, add exemptions for religious groups beyond George W. Bush’s 2002 order, which allowed religiously affiliated contractors to favor individuals of a certain religion when hiring. Those organizations are still allowed to make employment decisions about their ministers as they see fit under the First Amendment.

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  • ♎Lauren♎

    Hey Black folks, let’s all ban together. Raise some MONEY and noise and maybe elected officials will take our issues seriously. Who’s with me?

    • Procrastinator

      These are our issues too.

    • Objection

      No, these are not our issues. Less than 3% of the American people identify as gay or bisexual. 97% of Americans are not going to benefit from this executive order.

    • Tanielle

      Only 13% of the population is black. At what point is the percentage high enough for discrimination to be addressed?

    • Objection

      13% sounds like a nice number to me.

    • Tanielle

      Gotcha. Now I understand why black women’s issues tend to be ignored by the black community.

      But no, black men’s issues still make it to the forefront. Strange…

      I will continue to think intersectionally and understand that discrimination includes layers and can be addressed simultaneously.

      Furthermore, what are these black issues that impact the entire community?

    • Objection

      I’m willing to put AA women issues first. LGBT need to get at the back of the line.

      Furthermore, what are these black issues that impact the entire community?

      Out of wedlock children are is the first thing on my list.

    • Procrastinator

      What about LGBT AA women with children born out of wedlock?

    • Objection

      They need to get at the back of the line. Heterosexual AA women first. Why is this hard for you to understand?

    • Procrastinator

      Why are heterosexual AA women first? Why not just AA women first? Why not better sex education first? Better womens health care first? If AA women had better access to birth control and abortions there would be less children born out of wedlock. You’re a man.. why are you always on here talking about AA woman’s issues? Shouldn’t you worry about AA men and why they aren’t being held responsible for the lives they create with these women?

    • Tanielle

      What line? Who made this line? Who decides whose issues come first? Even further, who decides which Black issues are the most important? Is this a democracy? Do I get to vote on which issues are the most pressing? It’s ridiculous…

    • Objection

      No its not ridiculous. When I say line, I’m talking about the issues that come across the President’s desk. We are talking about executive orders right? Last time I check, no one voted on which issues Obama would deal with first. Obama made the choice to deal with gay issues first when he got back into office. So please don’t try and give me this democracy defense. President Obama made the choice to sign these executive orders.

    • Tanielle

      What executive order should the president sign that deals with out of wedlock births in the black community?

    • Tanielle

      And this is the problem with these “black issues” you speak of. My parents have been married for 40 years, I do not have any out of wedlock children, and I do not date ment with out of wedlock children or who aren’t from 2 parent home. I am black but this is not my issue. All black people do not have the same issues and should not have to wait and get in line and wait for their specific needs to be addressed based on some random hierarchy. Like previously stated, this thinking has led to black males issues taking precedent over black women’s issues and black women fighting the good fight while being ignored. No thank you. If out of wedloc births is important to you, certainly you should do the work to address it but this idea that black people need to get together and rally around “black people issues” is dated and doesn’t work. No one should have to be silenced and ignored. We either address it all and celebrate each victory or we let go of this monolithic way of thinking.

    • Objection

      I respectfully disagree. A lot of children are being born out of wedlock. This is the most important issue facing the AA community. I will not back down from this issue. I’m not Obama. I don’t smile and grin for the cameras.

      Putting AA people first did not work because the Federal Government made sure the leaders were destroyed. Marcus Garvey was a great leader. The Federal Government destroyed him. Booker T. Washington was a great leader. The racist tried to destroy him.

      No matter how hard you try. I’m not going to make this an AA man vs. AA woman fight. You asked me a question. I answered you truthfully.

    • Tanielle

      That is not my goal. I simply used that as an example. My point is that any community where some are asked to suffer and have there issues ignored isn’t much of a community at all. Those individuals are still being discriminated against but by their so called community and systemically.

      One last question. What is the president suppose to do about out of wedlock birth in the black community?

    • Objection

      I was waiting for you to ask me this question. The majority of children are being raised by their mothers. In D.C., your boy took away the program that allowed these children to attend private schools.

      These children were getting a great education. Education is the key to financial freedom right? Your boy, pulled the plug. Why did your boy pull the plug? There is a video where an AA mother ask your boy why he pulled the plug.

      Pushing for school vouchers so these children can receive an education should be on the top of your boy list. Why should his children receive the benefit of a private education?

    • Tanielle

      And this is where you lost me. The issue you are talking about is education not out of wedlock births. Now ensuring adequate educational opporunities is certainly important but is not out of wedlock births. I am guessing you are saying that lack of educational opportunities causes or results in out of wedlock birth but that is not the issue. Education is.

      Also, I don’t think I will be responding to you again. The whole “your boy” thing unnecessary hostile and presumptive. I don’t know the President and I am assuming you are trying to imply that I agree with all his policies. You do not know me.

    • Objection

      Really? You call my opinion ridiculous, but you get offended because I said “your boy”. OK, have a nice night.

    • Margo Wilkins

      Blackistan. The women of Blackistan need to get out of Blackistan yesterday! !!! Blackistan uses black women as the mules of the “community”, while It babies, coddles, and enables these pathetic black “men”. Black women, stop being the mules for Blackistan.

    • Procrastinator

      Black americans only make up about 13% of America so that 3% is still a pretty large number. Also the 3% only counts the adults not underage teens in the work force that identify as LGBT. According to a recent survey Black gays make up the largest share of the LGBT community (link on huffington post article). Also if our LGBT brothers and sisters are being discriminated against then it is an issue for the black community as a whole. Trying to separate ourselves or single out a group as not fitting will only make it more difficult to bring attention to “our issues”.

    • Objection

      3% is not a large number. This is not an African-American issue, this is an LGBT issue. We need to focus on the 97% of African-Americans. The larger number shall be first, and the smaller number shall be last.

    • Procrastinator

      1,000,000 people is a large number to me. This is an African American issue even if you choose to remain blind to it. Including LGBT doesn’t take away from the other issues African American’s have.

    • Objection

      It does take away from our issues. Get at the back of the line. You need to stand behind Native Americans.

    • Procrastinator

      What issues do black americans have that black LGBT people don’t have to deal with??

    • Objection

      The destruction of the nuclear family. LGBT don’t have the out of wedlock problems that heterosexual people have. When was the last time a Gay guy was arrested because he left the children in the car during a job interview? Some AA women are hurting financially because they don’t have help from some AA men and the government. Stop acting like you don’t understand and get in the back of the line.

    • Procrastinator

      But LGBT people have families too. Just because you don’t hear about them doesn’t mean that they don’t face those same issues. AA LGBT families are hurting financially too. I don’t know what line I’m supposed to be getting in, these are issues I don’t have to deal with at the moment. What do you want? You want to fight for arranged marriages to help all those women without men to help them? All of these groups have a common enemy and yet nothing is being done to reform the laws that cause these issues.

    • Margo Wilkins

      LGBT’s are not my brothers and sisters. Their lifestyle is an abomination. The LGBT phenomenon occurs mostly in Blackistan (aka, the ghetto). It is a direct result of households headed by unmarried mothers, the matriarchal black community. In Blackistan, the males are turning into females and the females are turning into males. Blackistan is dead. Blackistanians are still waiting for some magical person or political party to free them from their self imposed collective misery. That help will never, ever come. Btw, Obama was a member of “Rev.” Wright’s down low church, which is why he supports the gay movement. YOU NEED JESUS.

    • Me

      these are not our issues. the only reason this is even being addressed by the white house is b/c of the white lgbt community. just b/c some black folks are lgbt doesn’t make lgbt issues a black issue.

    • Procrastinator

      The Majority of the LGBT community is made up of people of color. The reason it being addressed by the white house it because it’s easy to say “Hey don’t discriminate against LGBT people!” people will still do it. It’s illegal to discriminate against black people too but we are less likely to be hired if we have “black” names.

    • Me

      “The Majority of the LGBT community is made up of people of color”

      where’s your evidence?

      just b/c lgbt have to deal w/discrimination too doesn’t make their issues black issues. yea. we’re less likely to get interviews b/c of black names. how many peopl have you heard not getting interviews b/c of gay names?

    • Procrastinator
    • Me

      that report say 1/3 of lgbt are non-white. how is that a majority?

    • Procrastinator

      we must be looking at two different reports

    • Me

      i clicked on your link. read the report that the article talked about, and i quote:

      “Overall, a third of LGBT-identifiers are nonwhite (33%), compared with 27% of non-LGBT individuals.”

    • Procrastinator

      From the article I linked “This data reveals that, relative to the general population, the LGBT population has a larger proportion of non-white people…”

    • Me

      that doesn’t mean what you think it means.

      33% of lgbt are not white
      27% of heteros are not white
      33% is bigger than 27% i.e. “the LGBT population has a larger proportion of non-white people”

      and poc are still not the majority of lgbt

    • Procrastinator

      I posted a link it might take a while to show up. How many people do you think aren’t hired because they’re clearly gay or transgender? Admitting that people should be treated like human beings isn’t a cause for debate. Saying that it’s not an issue for black people when so many black people are in that community is just dividing us more. Are womens issues not black issues too?

    • Me

      no women’s issues are not black issues. there’s black issues. there’s bw’s issues. all women aren’t black and all blacks aren’t women, so why would you lump them together?

    • Procrastinator

      There isn’t a too small percentage of black LGBT people to make them worthy of support from the black community. Perhaps it would be easier to gain support for our issues if people didn’t have this attitude. Black LGBT shouldn’t feel like they have to fight alone. If everyone helped everyone the world would be better.

    • Me

      i don’t buy that “if you support them, they’ll support you” b/s. that’s exactly why black folks end up at the back of the list of things to do b/c they never get around to returning the favor. we still getting iou’s from feminists, jews, hispanics, & now lgbt. black folks aren’t the ones coming up short on supporting other people. that still don’t make their issues our issues.

    • Procrastinator

      So you think we shouldn’t support black LGBT people and just support heterosexual blacks with black issues?

    • Me

      black people can support whoever they choose to. you made the comment that lgbt issues are our issues too. they’re not.

      when i see lgbt communities volunteer to march with “lgbtq want justice for renisha” signs or “lgbtq wear hoodies too” or they start putting up internet campaigns like “i see you got to this link through twitter. did you know twitter allows that racist cumia guy to go on mysogenistic rants about bw w/o booting his account. next time use another social media platform to follow our link”… the same way match . com did to get the mozilla ceo booted for being a homophobe, then folks can start talking to me about how we all face the same issues.

      lgbt issues are not black issues.

    • Procrastinator

      How do you know that lgbt communities aren’t volunteering to march for Justice for Renisha? I know that some are. As a black woman I don’t have a “Black Woman Here #_______” hoodie for whenever I want to support a cause. Just because they aren’t rocking stars on their clothing doesn’t mean they aren’t supporting. I didn’t know that twitter did that, but twitter has a policy that pretty much allows people to post whatever they want. Black lgbt issues are black issues :-)

    • Me

      show me the news clippings if they are? they seem pretty silent to me. considering gays purposely make themselves known when they show up. i remember reading about an irish parade in massachusetts that lgbt was trying to get shut down b/c the irish didn’t want gay banners & politicking at their event. if lgbt was marching for black folks, it wouldn’t be a secret. & it wouldn’t be unidentified lgbt folks blending in with the crowd of black folks. if they cared about black folks you would’ve seen lots of those “bring back our girls” memes splattered in rainbow colors to show that the lgbt community is taking a stand on the side of black people. where were those memes? they don’t have to rock their stars when they “support” us, which is the only way anybody would be able to pick them out of the crowd, but we have to declare support for them? why?

    • Procrastinator

      I’m talking about black LGBT people. I see my black LGBT family memebers supporting black issues. Blogs I read support black issues. Tumblr, I just found Autostraddle. They support us because they are us.

    • Me

      i don’t see any black lgbt people holding up those rainbow signs either. nope, they’re the lgbt who show up to rallies about black issues & just blend in w/the crowd. when black lgbt people support black issues, the lgbt is mute. they don’t support black issues from lgbt stances, they don’t show up to represent the lgbt community at large, they support from the pov of being black b/c whether they’re lgbt or not, black issues affect black people.

    • Procrastinator

      That’s why I think saying this has nothing to do with black people is wrong because there are black people who are LGBT. Discrimination is wrong. I don’t understand how as black people we’ve been fighting for equality for so long we can’t support progress for other black people who are fighting for the same thing?

    • Me

      just b/c some black people are lgbt doesn’t make lgbt issues black issues.

    • Tanielle

      Please name some black issues for
      me please? Your logic implies that they must impact all black people.

    • Me

      underfunded schools in black communities
      disproportionate drug testing of pregnant black moms
      racial profiling (dwb, stop & frisk, syg laws)

      those were the 1st 3 that came to my head. now name how many rainbow banners you’ve seen at any rallies declaring that the lgbt community is outraged at how these issues affect black folks & that they support black rights?

    • Tanielle

      Racial profiling certainly is. The first one you mention has issues of class/income and the 2nd one is a black woman issue. The point I am making is that the black community consists of all kinds of people gay, straight, men, woman, rich, middle class, poor, etc. I don’t think that individual black people should have their issues ignored over others. We either have to fight for all or stop trying to unify.

    • Me

      i know the black community consists of lots of people. that still doesn’t make lgbt issues black issues. black lgbt are not having their issues ignored. their issues are specifically getting addressed b/c their white counterparts are getting all kinds of attention for the lgbt community. lgbt issues are not black issues. there just happen to be some black people who have lgbt issues. i don’t fight for those who don’t fight for me, so i’m not concerned w/unifying on lgbt issues. when lgbt start fighting for black issues, then i’ll reconsider.

    • Tanielle

      Thanks for explaining. Makes more sense now. You see sexual assault, domestic violence, and income inequality as women’s issues not black women’s issues. Victories won in these areas do impact black women but they impact all women as well. I can totally agree with that.

      I also agree with not fighting for those who don’t fight for you. Thanks for explaining.

    • Tanielle

      And this is not a black issue? Guess what? Some black people are trans.

      This is why black people can’t banned together as you say because they are always looking to exclude certain people and tell them their individual issues that are certainly impacted by being black aren’t “black issues”. It’s time to start thinking intersectionally.

    • ♎Lauren♎

      I’m well aware that Black people are members of the LGBT community too. You missed my point of making that statement. Since the Obama administration, the LGBT has made great strides with their issues. Why? Because they meaning rich white gay men have money to put toward causes, build PACs, advocacy organizations, and organize. They are leading charge because they have privilege all while ignoring the unique issues LGBT POC face. Over 80% of Black people voted for Obama. What have we gotten in return for our vote? I’ll wait….Remember, everything comes down to the almighty dollar in this country. Since the Black community doesn’t pool it’s resources and band together, we’re not getting anywhere. Politics is about who screams the loudest and who gets the most money.

    • Procrastinator

      I read your statement and to me it said that LGBT issues aren’t black issues. I do agree that it does all come down to money. I think the bigger issue is that we are alone in the fight, and we fight each other too much. Even in this thread we are debating about ourselves. If we all came together we could make a difference. We are Americans, issues that we deal with like racism, discrimination, and poverty should matter to all Americans. Everyone should be appalled that there are cities in this country without access to water. All Americans should be horrified by police brutality, but it’s placed only on our shoulders to find a solution.